The Fruit of the Spirit

[mizpeh]

Is it possible to have the fruit of the Spirit without having the Spirit of Christ dwelling within?


For instance, can a person who believes the gospel and has repented but has not received the Holy Spirit manifest the fruit of the Spirit...love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance?

[J-Roc]

Is it possible to have the fruit of the Spirit without having the Spirit of Christ dwelling within?


For instance, can a person who believes the gospel and has repented but has not received the Holy Spirit manifest the fruit of the Spirit...love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance?




Did Jesus speak in tongues when he was anointed with the Holy Ghost...or was it evidenced by the good that he did and the healing that he did?


Acts 10:38 "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."

[J-Roc]

Did Jesus speak in tongues when he was anointed with the Holy Ghost...or was it evidenced by the good that he did and the healing that he did?


Acts 10:38 "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."



Mizpeh?

[J-Roc]

For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God’s Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people. (Romans 2:28-29)


I had a change of heart well before speaking in tongues and this was produced by God's Spirit!!! Surely, I was not spiritually dead and doomed to hell!!!

[Nahum]

Fruit implies culmination.

The end result of the Spirit's work will be love, joy, peace, goodness...etc.

How can one exhibit the inner workings of the Spirit without being possessed by Him?

I think folks can exhibit morality and a human goodness without being possessed by the Spirit of God.

[winklebottom]

I believe they can... it is called the human conscience. I belive man as a whole is good and kind.

[RevDWW]

I believe they can... it is called the human conscience. I belive man as a whole is good and kind.

Could that be why despots, dictators, murders, rapist, thieves, robbers...etc. abound? Man left to this own devices most often turns out right?

[Scott Hutchinson]

If the fruit of The Spirit is the fruit of The Holy Ghost ,how can one have the fruit of the Spirit without having The Holy Spirit ?

[mizpeh]

Did Jesus speak in tongues when he was anointed with the Holy Ghost...or was it evidenced by the good that he did and the healing that he did?


Acts 10:38 "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."

No one, including Jesus, who was full of the Spirit spoke in other tongues before the prophesy of Joel was fullfilled in Acts 2. They prophesied but they didn't speak in tongues.

[mizpeh]

For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God’s Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people. (Romans 2:28-29)


I had a change of heart well before speaking in tongues and this was produced by God's Spirit!!! Surely, I was not spiritually dead and doomed to hell!!!

The translators are adding their own interpretation of what they think a circumcised heart is. They are equating a circumcised heart with a changed of heart which is repentance. None of the literal translations put that meaning into the verse.



28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. NASB

I also had a change of heart well before I spoke in tongues and was baptized. And I agree that this change of heart or repentance by faith was brought about by the goodness of God working in my life. When did God quicken us so that we would no longer be spiritually dead?

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly
places in Christ Jesus:

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

When do we rise to walk in newness of life? How are we made alive spiritually? Is it just by believing in Jesus? These verses seem to indicate more than faith and more than repentance.

[mizpeh]

Fruit implies culmination.

The end result of the Spirit's work will be love, joy, peace, goodness...etc.

How can one exhibit the inner workings of the Spirit without being possessed by Him?

I think folks can exhibit morality and a human goodness without being possessed by the Spirit of God.

Have you ever felt like you were possessed of God's Spirit?

[J-Roc]

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

When do we rise to walk in newness of life? How are we made alive spiritually? Is it just by believing in Jesus? These verses seem to indicate more than faith and more than repentance.


Herein lie our differences -- I believe that in baptism we are reciting the gospel, while you believe that in baptism we are reenacting the gospel. If one understands that salvation consists of following certain qualifications to achieve acceptance with God, then New Testament texts, such as Acts 2:38, will be interpreted as steps of obedience in order to gain salvation. On the other hand, if one sees that the coming of Christ was a radical shift in God’s approach to salvation (John 1:29)...and if one sees that man’s attempt to achieve salvation through obedience to the Law was a failure (Romans 3) until God came and lived the Law perfectly in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:19)....and if one sees that only Christ is qualified before God (Matthew 3:17) through obedience to the Law (Romans 10:3-11).... then, salvation will be understood as a work performed by Christ (Hebrews 9:2-28; 10:10) and offered to man out of the grace of God (Ephesians 2:5-9), and it must be received by faith alone (Romans 4, 5). The focus will be on the greatness of the gift offered and not on the status, conditions or responses of the receiver of the gift. One will then interpret Acts 2:38 more as responses of confession than as “how to get saved.” It is a recital of what Jesus has accomplished, rather than a reenacting of some portion of Jesus’ life that we accomplish through our obedience.

[staysharp]

Fruit implies culmination.

The end result of the Spirit's work will be love, joy, peace, goodness...etc.

How can one exhibit the inner workings of the Spirit without being possessed by Him?

I think folks can exhibit morality and a human goodness without being possessed by the Spirit of God.

I would disagree with your analogy and here's why. Firstly, man is inherently corrupt. The heart is deceitful and wicked. The abundant life of Christ cannot be lived in the flesh. The fruit of the Spirit can only be exemplified by a regenerated nature.

Rom. 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Jesus came to the physical world as God incarnate to fulfill the law. To end His obligation to Israel of the flesh, the Abrahamic Covenant. When he died, he was released from the Old Covenant to establish a New Covenant, ie a spiritual bride.

If you are married to Christ, your physical body becomes the temple of the H.G. and produces righteous fruit unto God conceived by the Holy Spirit. We do not become "possessed" of God's spirit, we become the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Pentecost was not a "possession", but a visitation. As our nature becomes Christlike through a surrendered life, heart, mind and soul, the Holy Spirit is free to produce through us His divine nature.

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. Romans 14:17. This is Kingdom living at its best.