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tv1a
12-13-2007, 06:54 PM
Any see an unhealthy relationship here? Let alone unscriptural? Anonymous said... ***--i read on one of the posts (thought i can't find it now) that you don't attend a church. how do you justify that when Hebrews chapter 10 clearly instructs us to forsake not the assembling of ourselves together. and even more so as you see the day approaching (paraphrasing)? and where do you pay your tithes to if you don't attend a local assembly?
****
Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:33:00 PM EST

*** said... I can't find the answer I replied to the last person who asked, either- :-)

I agree completely that we must NOT forsake the assembling of ourselves together. If I had a church here that I could consider myself in fellowship with, I would be there in a heartbeat. Unfortunately there is too wide a gap between the churches in this area, and myself. It has gone beyond the line of just tolerating a non-ideal situation. It has gone over the edge into my not being able to identify myself as one of them in good conscience. I have visited or know about most all of the churches in the area, I attended two of them for three years here, and I am confident that I am led of the Lord to "come out of her!"

I am blessed to consider Pastor R**** my substitute, interim, until-God-gives-me-a-local-congregation Pastor. Pastor Reckart is gracious enough to do what he can, despite the long-distance, to be a Pastor. He fully recognizes the situation is not ideal, not what should be, and that in the fullness of time God will open the doors for me to be in a local congregation again, whether his or somewhere else. I would move down there to be under the Pastor God gave me, but circumstances do not permit it at this time- it's out of my hands completely. In the meantime, until God changes the situation, I listen to the preaching from Pastor R**** online faithfully, "attending" the best I can every time it is broadcast, and I send tithes and offerings to him.

In the meantime I pray fervently for God to do His mighty will in my life.

Brett Prince
12-13-2007, 07:27 PM
Saul was a man who had lost it. He was no longer under the favor of God. His leadership had decreased, his vision was gone, and it was only a matter of time until he would die in this state. Yet, David knew through the Spirit that he should not touch him. It was so much of a truth that he was smote in his conscience when he even cut a piece of Saul's garment.

I and the brother from Florida are worlds apart--but I want to be extremely careful in making accusations, or implications. This poster to whom you refer may have a matter of conscience and conviction. Whatever is not of faith is sin. Prayer, rather than polling might be in order. I am saddened that the situation is what it is, but this is certainly not going to improve it.

Sister Alvear
12-13-2007, 07:57 PM
yes, we must pray.

tv1a
12-13-2007, 08:22 PM
The poll isn't directed at the man, but the obsessive behavior of a person who is stupid enough to think the only one good enough to pastor her is someone well over a thousand miles away. She is scarier than Hillary Clinton.

Saul was a man who had lost it. He was no longer under the favor of God. His leadership had decreased, his vision was gone, and it was only a matter of time until he would die in this state. Yet, David knew through the Spirit that he should not touch him. It was so much of a truth that he was smote in his conscience when he even cut a piece of Saul's garment.

I and the brother from Florida are worlds apart--but I want to be extremely careful in making accusations, or implications. This poster to whom you refer may have a matter of conscience and conviction. Whatever is not of faith is sin. Prayer, rather than polling might be in order. I am saddened that the situation is what it is, but this is certainly not going to improve it.

Sister Alvear
12-13-2007, 08:32 PM
Maybe she is a little unstable...perhaps she has nerve problems or as we can tell some kind of serious problem...Let´s say a prayer for her. Sometimes people get `hooked´ on a preacher or ministry and think they must be there to be saved...

tv1a
12-13-2007, 08:38 PM
If she's that unstable, she needs to be institutionalized. At least some demons needs to be cast out.
Maybe she is a little unstable...perhaps she has nerve problems or as we can tell some kind of serious problem...Let´s say a prayer for her. Sometimes people get `hooked´ on a preacher or ministry and think they must be there to be saved...

Sister Alvear
12-13-2007, 09:23 PM
lots of people are sick and do not realize it but God can come on the scene and move and change things. I will be praying for this person.

pelathais
12-13-2007, 09:36 PM
If someone has seriously gone through "the churches in this area" (or any area in the well churched United States) and really explored fellowship there and found nothing, then I must conclude the problem is with the individual.

I usually try to find some sort of underlying medical or psychological condition whenever I run across someone like this. Lacking anything in the natural realm that could possibly explain this type of anti-social behavior, I am left only with the the concept of "spirits."

The writer of Hebrews did mention that there was "the manner of some" that caused them to avoid Christian fellowship. These types went on to found the ascetic movement of the "pillar sitters" and those who walled themselves up in caves.

Such individuals are fascinating to observe because they represent such an extreme angle on human behavior. Sadly, they seldom find happiness and are often abusive to those they are around.

tv1a
12-14-2007, 03:23 AM
My catholic brethern have a term for a post like this..


Bingo!!!!

One of the signs of legalism is the withdrawal of fellowship. This woman has an unhealthy fascination with the guy from Florida.


If someone has seriously gone through "the churches in this area" (or any area in the well churched United States) and really explored fellowship there and found nothing, then I must conclude the problem is with the individual.

I usually try to find some sort of underlying medical or psychological condition whenever I run across someone like this. Lacking anything in the natural realm that could possibly explain this type of anti-social behavior, I am left only with the the concept of "spirits."

The writer of Hebrews did mention that there was "the manner of some" that caused them to avoid Christian fellowship. These types went on to found the ascetic movement of the "pillar sitters" and those who walled themselves up in caves.

Such individuals are fascinating to observe because they represent such an extreme angle on human behavior. Sadly, they seldom find happiness and are often abusive to those they are around.

Ronzo
12-14-2007, 05:23 AM
My catholic brethern have a term for a post like this..


Bingo!!!!

One of the signs of legalism is the withdrawal of fellowship. This woman has an unhealthy fascination with the guy from Florida.
Insecure people tend to wall themselves up in an "us four and no more" attitude. Gives them the ability to be exclusive and puff themselves up and show the world how "special" they are... "WE'RE the only ones who are HOLY! WE'RE the only ones with TRUTH!"


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Brother Price
12-14-2007, 05:30 AM
The best thing we can do for these people is give them as little publicity and notoriety as possible. They thrive on shock value, and if we do nto give it to them, they will fade away.

Not being harsh, but I was there. Nothing worse in that mindset than being ignored. :D

philjones
12-14-2007, 06:58 AM
If someone has seriously gone through "the churches in this area" (or any area in the well churched United States) and really explored fellowship there and found nothing, then I must conclude the problem is with the individual.

I usually try to find some sort of underlying medical or psychological condition whenever I run across someone like this. Lacking anything in the natural realm that could possibly explain this type of anti-social behavior, I am left only with the the concept of "spirits."

The writer of Hebrews did mention that there was "the manner of some" that caused them to avoid Christian fellowship. These types went on to found the ascetic movement of the "pillar sitters" and those who walled themselves up in caves.

Such individuals are fascinating to observe because they represent such an extreme angle on human behavior. Sadly, they seldom find happiness and are often abusive to those they are around.

I heard it said that everything/one you encounter rubs you the wrong way you should change the way you are going. :D

philjones
12-14-2007, 07:00 AM
My catholic brethern have a term for a post like this..


Bingo!!!!

One of the signs of legalism is the withdrawal of fellowship. This woman has an unhealthy fascination with the guy from Florida.

Tv1A,

Finally a post on legalism that I can appreciate.... I am not a legalist because I fellowship everybody... I am an equal opportunity fellowshipper and worshipper!

So glad to know that I do not have this bellweather sign of legalism!:santathumb

Pastor Keith
12-14-2007, 10:49 AM
Some comments from the good Doctor Rick Warren are applicable in this situation, but sadly because they come from RW will be rejected by most.

Once you discover what God intends real fellowship to be, it’s easy to become discouraged by the gap between the ideal and the real in your church. Still we must passionately love the church in spite of its imperfections. Longing for the ideal while criticizing the real is immaturity On the other hand, settling for the real without striving for the ideal is complacency. Maturity is living with the tension.

"Be patient with each other, making allowance for each
other's faults because of your love."

Believers are going to disappoint you and let you down but that’s no excuse to stop fellowshipping with them. They’re family, even when they don’t act like it, and you don’t just walk out on them.

People become disillusioned with the church for many understandable reasons. The list could be quite long: conflict, hurt, hypocrisy, neglect, pettiness, legalism, and other sins. Rather than being shocked and surprised, we must remember that the church is made up of real sinners, including ourselves. Because we’re sinners, we hurt each other, sometimes intentionally and sometimes unintentionally. But instead of leaving the church, we need to stay and work it out if at all possible. Reconciliation, not running away, is the road to stronger character and deeper fellowship.


Divorcing your church at the first sign of disappointment or disillusionment is a mark of immaturity. God has things he wants to teach you, and others too. Besides there is no perfect church to escape to. Every church has its own set of weaknesses and problems. You’ll soon be disappointed again.

tv1a
12-14-2007, 09:42 PM
Did I accuse you of being a legalist?
Tv1A,

Finally a post on legalism that I can appreciate.... I am not a legalist because I fellowship everybody... I am an equal opportunity fellowshipper and worshipper!

So glad to know that I do not have this bellweather sign of legalism!:santathumb

tv1a
12-14-2007, 09:51 PM
While we ignore they continuing slaughtering innocent lambs. If we ignored the way they treated you, would you have gotten out of that mess as quick as you did? I would rather hack off a demon infested pirahnna than to stand quietly by while they feast on the weak and innocent amongst us.


The best thing we can do for these people is give them as little publicity and notoriety as possible. They thrive on shock value, and if we do nto give it to them, they will fade away.

Not being harsh, but I was there. Nothing worse in that mindset than being ignored. :D