Is this sound theology?

[ManOfWord]

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:


"When you're baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
actually you're being baptized into Jesus Christ.
On the other hand, when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,
that is Jesus Christ being baptized into you."

What say ye? :D

[OneAccord]

I say, Huh?

Never heard it put this way. Jesus being "buried in me"? Submerged? Immersed? Dipped?. Would be interesting to read the authors complete statement to get a better idea of ewhat he (or she) is trying to say. But, on the basis of what you quoted...all I can say is...

Huh?

[TRFrance]

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:


"When you're baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
actually you're being baptized into Jesus Christ.

On the other hand, when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,
that is Jesus Christ being baptized into you."

What say ye? :D
The first part I agree with totally, because that is scriptural.

Rom 6:3 "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death"

The second part is not stated in scripture so I wouldn't teach that as doctrine.
A portion of the Spirit of Jesus is deposited into us, sure, but I wouldn't say he is being baptized into us. I can see how someone could think of it that way metaphorically, but that's not something I'd go around stating as being any kind of biblical doctrine per se.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Of course there is no virtue in H20,but to receive Christ is to receive His Holy Spirit.

[TRFrance]

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:



ManOfWord... what's the organization that produced this publication?

[mizpeh]

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:


"When you're baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
actually you're being baptized into Jesus Christ.
On the other hand, when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,
that is Jesus Christ being baptized into you."

What say ye? :D

I agree with the first part. We are baptized into Christ (the body of Christ) when we are baptized in Jesus name. Rom 6:3, Gal 3:27, 1 Cor 12:13

The second part is not in the Bible and is worded oddly.

[staysharp]

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:


"When you're baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
actually you're being baptized into Jesus Christ.
On the other hand, when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,
that is Jesus Christ being baptized into you."

What say ye? :D

H20 Is Jesus? Bizarre.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Baptism is essential in following Our Lord ,but water cannot give regeneration.

[ManOfWord]

ManOfWord... what's the organization that produced this publication?

I'll let the discussion go on for a little while, then I'll reveal the source unless someone else beats me to it! :D

[Barb]

I just received an "apostolic" publication and found this quote which I thought was interesting:


"When you're baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,
actually you're being baptized into Jesus Christ.
On the other hand, when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,
that is Jesus Christ being baptized into you."

What say ye? :D
*sigh* It is a tragedy that people feel that in order to make a point they must make up some kind of a catch-phrase or slogan or some weird thing.

The even greater tragedy is that if we have made it up because it sounds cute to us, but it's not true...well I'll leave that alone.

[ManOfWord]

And we wonder why the Christian world at large won't listen to us more. :D

[tbpew]

And we wonder why the Christian world at large won't listen to us more. :D

Are they willing to listen to you, MOW?

If so, what are you telling them happens when a believer receives the Holy Ghost?

[TRFrance]

I'll let the discussion go on for a little while, then I'll reveal the source unless someone else beats me to it! :D

Fine. How about if you gave us the full quote on context?
Maybe that be helpful...?

[Coonskinner]

And we wonder why the Christian world at large won't listen to us more. :D


MOW,

If i gleefully reported every wacko thing said or written by Ex-Apostolics like the crowd you fellowship with, complete with big cheesey smiley faces, what would you think?

[Hoovie]

what to do...

...what to do...

...Coon and Mow - both nice guys - both post alot of truth and make alot of sense...

i'm out

[pelathais]

I agree with TRFrance and Barb. The first part is biblical. The second part is sloganeering.

And then I also concur with Coonskinner- there's a lot of sloganeering around everywhere.

[mizpeh]

I agree with TRFrance and Barb. The first part is biblical. The second part is sloganeering.

And then I also concur with Coonskinner- there's a lot of sloganeering around everywhere.

You're in an agreeable mood this evening! What did you have for supper? :christmoose

[Hoovie]

I agree with TRFrance and Barb. The first part is biblical. The second part is sloganeering.

And then I also concur with Coonskinner- there's a lot of sloganeering around everywhere.

PEL SAVES THE DAY!!!

[pelathais]

And we wonder why the Christian world at large won't listen to us more. :D
Good point. With our reputation and the public perception of OP's in general, maybe we HAVE TO go that extra mile and try and make certain that we're doing those "cheesy" things that characterize so many others as well.

This doesn't mean that we're "worse" than everybody else when it comes to "cheesy" approaches to evangelism. It does mean that we should be better than most everybody else, however.

[Coonskinner]

I have no idea where the quote came from, but like others have said, the second half of it is basically just the kind of pithy phrase that goes over well with some crowds.

But is just seems like kind of a cheap shot to me.

Believe me, there are lots of publications on the other side of the fence to lift quotes from.

[pelathais]

You're in an agreeable mood this evening! What did you have for supper? :christmoose
Yes, I do agree with you... http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And dinner is still on the stove. I did see some of my favorite cheese sauce getting ready for the broccoli and cauliflower. My wife stayed home "sick" today so things have been pretty stress free and will result in an exceptional meal!

This of course merely makes up for tomorrow when the house will be full of a bunch of high school girls doing a "major" project that requires all new ink cartridges. I'll be at the library if it's wet outside; climbing the foothills if its nice.

[Barb]

I agree with TRFrance and Barb. The first part is biblical. The second part is sloganeering.

And then I also concur with Coonskinner- there's a lot of sloganeering around everywhere.

This is true...:star

[Sister Alvear]

Just wondering where the quote came from...

[ManOfWord]

Are they willing to listen to you, MOW?

If so, what are you telling them happens when a believer receives the Holy Ghost?

I don't claim to be a spokesman...just a "watchman" on the wall with a trumpet.

MOW,

If i gleefully reported every wacko thing said or written by Ex-Apostolics like the crowd you fellowship with, complete with big cheesey smiley faces, what would you think?

I wouldn't "think" anything. There may even be more wacko things said on that side if the truth were known. Didja sit on a splinter today? :D (note the cheesy smiley face)

Fine. How about if you gave us the full quote on context?
Maybe that be helpful...?

I can't give you the context right now because the publication is at my office. I took the quote from the "call out" box in the article. Apparently the publisher/editor(a Bible School) obviously thought that it was a key part of what was said. So, it is not I who lifted it out of the whole message. The quote is from a UPC evangelist in the 70's.

[staysharp]

I don't claim to be a spokesman...just a "watchman" on the wall with a trumpet.



I wouldn't "think" anything. There may even be more wacko things said on that side if the truth were known. Didja sit on a splinter today? :D (note the cheesy smiley face)



I can't give you the context right now because the publication is at my office. I took the quote from the "call out" box in the article. Apparently the publisher/editor(a Bible School) obviously thought that it was a key part of what was said. So, it is not I who lifted it out of the whole message. The quote is from a UPC evangelist in the 70's.

Perspective magazine?

[ManOfWord]

Perspective magazine?

Ding Ding Ding!!!!!

We have a winner folks!!!! Well done! I knew it wouldn't take too long! :D

[staysharp]

Ding Ding Ding!!!!!

We have a winner folks!!!! Well done! I knew it wouldn't take too long! :D

That's why the call me staysharp! That magazine is a mystery to me. How can they afford a glossy full color magazine? Somebody is sinking some money into nothing if you ask me.

[ManOfWord]

That's why the call me staysharp! That magazine is a mystery to me. How can they afford a glossy full color magazine? Somebody is sinking some money into nothing if you ask me.

But just think of all the people it ..... reaches....oh, wait, it only goes to a small segment of the UPC ministers. :D

[Hoovie]

That's why the call me staysharp! That magazine is a mystery to me. How can they afford a glossy full color magazine? Somebody is sinking some money into nothing if you ask me.

Full color printing has become very competitive - on eof the few things that has gone down in pricing in the last decade.

[ManOfWord]

Full color printing has become very competitive - on eof the few things that has gone down in pricing in the last decade.

Yes, that can be both good and bad! :D