((( AA DRAMA ALERT!))) More Major APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY Fallout!!!

[Thad]

ALERT
Did you hear that according to The AA Discussion Blog,Pastor Abel Aguilar from Santa Ana,CA is one of the board members that is being sued?????

ALERT
Allegedly His wife is humiliated and stressed out because all of the blogs discussing the corruption of the board.

ALERT
Abel Aguilar told the convention last month his wife threatened to divorce him because of the talk of their family on the blogs!!!!!!!


Can you imagine that a Blog could possibly Lead to a Divorice from one of the most prominant pastors in AA?? Astonishing!!!!
YOUR THOUGHTS

[Thad]

GB5 INVESTIGATION CONTINUES!


LINK http://www.cbstv2.com/Global/story.asp?s=7463249



CBS 2 Investigation Continues Into Alledged Shutter Scam

Posted: Dec 6, 2007 05:41 PM PST

Updated: Dec 6, 2007 05:48 PM PST

Featured Video

News Video: CBS 2 Investigation Continues Into Alledged Shutter Scam







By Dan Ball
CBS 2 News

Several people in the Valley contacted CBS 2 in September about "Rebekah's Window Solutions", reportedly scamming them out of thousands of dollars. At that time, CBS 2 contacted the owner of the company, Isaac Guiterrez, he told us that he planned on paying back every person who didn't receive their shutters, but that never happened.

Several home owners in Indio showed CBS 2 receipts for checks and invoices for work that was never completed by Rebekah's Window Solutions. After repeated failed attempts to contact Isaac Gutirrez, he contacted CBS 2 by email and phone. He claimed that he had experienced a hardship and that he fully intended on repaying every client. In fact, Gutierrez told several clients and CBS 2 that he would repay the debt with in 30 days, but when 30 days had passed he asked his clients for another month.

Now nearly 3 months later, no debts have been repayed and Gutierrez is no where to be found. The email address he gave CBS 2 has been cancelled, along with several phone numbers he told clients to use to contact him.

His neighbors on San Bernadino Street in Redlands say they have seen him coming and going just in the past few days, but once again CBS 2 was not able to track him down. Though in a parked car in Gutierrez's driveway, there was a letter from the Home Depot addressed to Rebekah's Window Solutions, care of Isaac Gutierrez.

Now since our first broadcast more than a half a dozen people have come forward, claiming that they were scammed by Isaac Gutierrez and Rebekah's Window Solutions. In all, over $20,000 dollars has not been returned.

If you believe you have been scammed by someone, we want to hear from you. Send us an email at info@cbstv2.com. Also call local authorities and make a police report.

Tips from the Better Business Bureau:

Obtain bids from several different companies. Be sure you are comparing the
same type and quality of the product.

Check the Reliability of the company with the Better Business Bureau at LaBBB.org or by
calling (909) 825-7280.

Obtain recent references and ask to see a portfolio. If the company has a
retail location you may want to visit it.

If the company is providing installation services, they may be required or
their installer may be required to be a licensed contractor. Verify
licensing with the California Contractor's State License Board at
CSLB.ca.gov or by calling 1-800-321-CSLB (2752).

Be sure to sign a contract which includes the name, street address (not just
a P.O. Box), and telephone number of the provider. The contract should
include a written description of the materials purchased, labor to be
charged, and payment and delivery terms.

If you purchased brand name materials, you should expect that they will be
identified as such upon delivery.

In general, if you signed this type of contract other than at the company's
principal place of business, such as your home, you have a three day
cancellation right.

For more information visit the Better Business Bureau website.

[Thad]

LINK TO AA DISCUSSION BLOG



www.apostolicnews.blogspot.com

[Praxeas]

**** GB5 INVESTIGATION CONTINUES!!!****


LINK http://www.cbstv2.com/Global/story.asp?s=7463249



CBS 2 Investigation Continues Into Alledged Shutter Scam

Posted: Dec 6, 2007 05:41 PM PST

Updated: Dec 6, 2007 05:48 PM PST

Featured Video

News Video: CBS 2 Investigation Continues Into Alledged Shutter Scam







By Dan Ball
CBS 2 News

Several people in the Valley contacted CBS 2 in September about "Rebekah's Window Solutions", reportedly scamming them out of thousands of dollars. At that time, CBS 2 contacted the owner of the company, Isaac Guiterrez, he told us that he planned on paying back every person who didn't receive their shutters, but that never happened.

Several home owners in Indio showed CBS 2 receipts for checks and invoices for work that was never completed by Rebekah's Window Solutions. After repeated failed attempts to contact Isaac Gutirrez, he contacted CBS 2 by email and phone. He claimed that he had experienced a hardship and that he fully intended on repaying every client. In fact, Gutierrez told several clients and CBS 2 that he would repay the debt with in 30 days, but when 30 days had passed he asked his clients for another month.

Now nearly 3 months later, no debts have been repayed and Gutierrez is no where to be found. The email address he gave CBS 2 has been cancelled, along with several phone numbers he told clients to use to contact him.

His neighbors on San Bernadino Street in Redlands say they have seen him coming and going just in the past few days, but once again CBS 2 was not able to track him down. Though in a parked car in Gutierrez's driveway, there was a letter from the Home Depot addressed to Rebekah's Window Solutions, care of Isaac Gutierrez.

Now since our first broadcast more than a half a dozen people have come forward, claiming that they were scammed by Isaac Gutierrez and Rebekah's Window Solutions. In all, over $20,000 dollars has not been returned.

If you believe you have been scammed by someone, we want to hear from you. Send us an email at info@cbstv2.com. Also call local authorities and make a police report.

Tips from the Better Business Bureau:

Obtain bids from several different companies. Be sure you are comparing the
same type and quality of the product.

Check the Reliability of the company with the Better Business Bureau at LaBBB.org or by
calling (909) 825-7280.

Obtain recent references and ask to see a portfolio. If the company has a
retail location you may want to visit it.

If the company is providing installation services, they may be required or
their installer may be required to be a licensed contractor. Verify
licensing with the California Contractor's State License Board at
CSLB.ca.gov or by calling 1-800-321-CSLB (2752).

Be sure to sign a contract which includes the name, street address (not just
a P.O. Box), and telephone number of the provider. The contract should
include a written description of the materials purchased, labor to be
charged, and payment and delivery terms.

If you purchased brand name materials, you should expect that they will be
identified as such upon delivery.

In general, if you signed this type of contract other than at the company's
principal place of business, such as your home, you have a three day
cancellation right.

For more information visit the Better Business Bureau website.
So?

[Thad]

So?


For all our AA friends, It's Not important if it's not "UPC" News to some folks here

[Praxeas]

For all our AA friends, It's Not important if it's not "UPC" News to some folks here
Yeah? Well anyways can you answer "So?" in other words, why should we care about some investigation of a shutter company?

[SoCaliUPC]

Thad...how do you know this is the same Isaac Gutierrez?

[Thad]

Thad...how do you know this is the same Isaac Gutierrez?


Did you see the original article i posted a few months back?

[Elizabeth]

Thad...how do you know this is the same Isaac Gutierrez?
I thought the same thing at first, and noticed that the article mentions a Louis Gutierrez, which is Isaac's father-

I really hope its really just a miss understanding and lack of better business skills-

Bro Louie (as I remember him being called) gave me bible studys as a teenager so this is really sad to me :(

[Elizabeth]

Did you post the link between the blog and Able Aguliar?

I remember him quite well-

[Thad]

I thought the same thing at first, and noticed that the article mentions a Louis Gutierrez, which is Isaac's father-

I really hope its really just a miss understanding and lack of better business skills-

Bro Louie (as I remember him being called) gave me bible studys as a teenager so this is really sad to me :(


I remember you saying that you grew up in the Assembly

[Elizabeth]

I remember you saying that you grew up in the Assembly

I spent many years attending one of their churches:thumbsup

[Thad]

I spent many years attending one of their churches:thumbsup


Oh you did? which church was that ?

[CC1]

Thad,

For those of us who know virtually nothing of the AA and their prominent members can you elaborate?

Like someone else mentioned all I see on this thread is a news article about a shutter company that didn't come through with the product. What does that have to do with the AA? Is this guy an AA pastor or something? Elaborate!!!

[berkeley]

Thad,

For those of us who know virtually nothing of the AA and their prominent members can you elaborate?

Like someone else mentioned all I see on this thread is a news article about a shutter company that didn't come through with the product. What does that have to do with the AA? Is this guy an AA pastor or something? Elaborate!!!

He is in GB5, a singing group that is a part of the AA

[berkeley]

http://www.myspace.com/gutierrezbrothers

[SDG]

ALERT
Abel Aguilar told the convention last month his wife threatened to divorce him because of the talk of their family on the blogs!!!!!!!Threatened to divorce him, Thad ??? Do you have audio of this statement by Brother Aguilar to the entire convention????... if not ,Thad, this is scurrilous and has no place here.

No one divorces over a blog ... unless it speaks of immorality or something of more consequence than just this petty lawsuit.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

So?


What?

[Thad]

Threatened to divorce him, Thad ??? Do you have audio of this statement by Brother Aguilar to the entire convention????... if not ,Thad, this is scurrilous and has no place here.

No one divorces over a blog ... unless it speaks of immorality or something of more consequence than just this petty lawsuit.



Dan this is what was discussed on their Blog- THEIR Blog Hello!!!!

[Thad]

Thad,

For those of us who know virtually nothing of the AA and their prominent members can you elaborate?

Like someone else mentioned all I see on this thread is a news article about a shutter company that didn't come through with the product. What does that have to do with the AA? Is this guy an AA pastor or something? Elaborate!!!


They are a Oneness Apostolic hispanic only Organization - perhaps the 3rd Largest oneness group - They are mostly In CA.AZ and TX. there are a few churches in other states too but the majority are still in CA. - most of their large Prominant churches are here and there is one in Phoenix(that i know of).Their Women are required to wear Veils to church.Some of their more liberal churches have become relaxed on the veils but the majority still wear them to church.

[Elizabeth]

Issac Gutierrez is apart of the GB5 -a Latino gospel group.

GB5 has roots in AA infact went to the same church Vonnie Lopez attended when she was in the AA.

One of the members owns his own business and some of his clients have reported him for not rendering the job and products he has promised them--his clients went to a local news station hoping a reporter (who exposes business that expliot their cleints) would help them get back their funds.

Able Aguilar is a prominate speaker and well known for his passion in the pulpit within the AA organization-he was pastoring a church in the Santa Maria area.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Perhaps Sister Jeanie could post a picture of herself wearing a veil from her AA. days ?

[Thad]

Issac Gutierrez is apart of the GB5 -a Latino gospel group.

GB5 has roots in AA infact went to the same church Vonnie Lopez attended when she was in the AA.

One of the members owns his own business and some of his clients have reported him for not rendering the job and products he has promised them--his clients went to a local news station hoping a reporter (who exposes business that expliot their cleints) would help them get back their funds.

Able Aguilar is a prominate speaker and well known for his passion in the pulpit within the AA organization-he was pastoring a church in the Santa Maria area.


Jeanie

Able A. is in Santa Ana Near disneyland

[Praxeas]

Thad,

For those of us who know virtually nothing of the AA and their prominent members can you elaborate?

Like someone else mentioned all I see on this thread is a news article about a shutter company that didn't come through with the product. What does that have to do with the AA? Is this guy an AA pastor or something? Elaborate!!!
Thank you!

[simplyme]

For all our AA friends, It's Not important if it's not "UPC" News to some folks here

Now now, be fair, from what I've heard gossip is KING around here, fair fodder for all and its definitely not good christian testimony., it shouldn't BE ABOUT org's all JESUSname saints are brothers/sisters., I don't know WHY some people just DELIGHT in finding some bad things goin on in Christ-dom., its rather immature, as well as plalin MEAN if you ask me.
I know you won't. :D

[simplyme]

Perhaps Sister Jeanie could post a picture of herself wearing a veil from her AA. days ?

What would be YOUR point? Good grief so many of the people on this forum that I've seen sure delight in making fun of other org's, their practices, their saints, just about anything! Forgetting that JESUS is taking notice., it would seem.

[simplyme]

Threatened to divorce him, Thad ??? Do you have audio of this statement by Brother Aguilar to the entire convention????... if not ,Thad, this is scurrilous and has no place here.

No one divorces over a blog ... unless it speaks of immorality or something of more consequence than just this petty lawsuit.

IF I were that man, or anyone being gossipped about or "slandered" online, I'd surely be taking legal action againstfolks with such petty outlooks :blah
that they have nothing better to do than point fingers at other bro/sis's, flaws, while avoiding the mirror.


MANY people in business are always being sued by people simply NOT wanting to pay., as well as some genuine grievances, so what else is new?
:rolleyes2

[Scott Hutchinson]

What would be YOUR point? Good grief so many of the people on this forum that I've seen sure delight in making fun of other org's, their practices, their saints, just about anything! Forgetting that JESUS is taking notice., it would seem.

No Sis,I'm not making fun I used to joke with Sister Jeanie about this because she hated wear the veil,she is used to me picking with her it's meant in fun, not harm.

[simplyme]

No Sis,I'm not making fun I used to joke with Sister Jeanie about this because she hated wear the veil,she is used to me picking with her it's meant in fun, not harm.

Okay but others reading might think otherwise, not knowing this.
Hated wearing it?
Sad., no one should do something that they don't believe in.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Simplyme me and Sister Jeanie go back to FCF on this.
I used to kinda pick with her about the veil.
Sometimes I joke with my friends about stuff but it's all in love.

[simplyme]

They are a Oneness Apostolic hispanic only Organization - perhaps the 3rd Largest oneness group - They are mostly In CA.AZ and TX. there are a few churches in other states too but the majority are still in CA. - most of their large Prominant churches are here and there is one in Phoenix(that i know of).Their Women are required to wear Veils to church.Some of their more liberal churches have become relaxed on the veils but the majority still wear them to church.

NOT Hispanic-only please get facts; many non-hispanics are members., to my knowledge noone has ever been REQUIRED (sounds like forced) to wear the veils., but the majority are fine with it especially if the leaderships do bible studies on that topic., there will always be those within Christdom who refuse to do most anything different from 'the world'.

[simplyme]

Simplyme me and Sister Jeanie go back to FCF on this.
I used to kinda pick with her about the veil.
Sometimes I joke with my friends about stuff but it's all in love.

Maybe its JUSTme, but I don't take joking about things holy to GOD well., even IF its 'in love', seriously - but if you all can interact like that w/o bad feelings, well then I guess its ya'lls thing. *shrug*
I've seen mostly interactions like that on this forum, btwn long-time mbrs which basically leaves the newbies pretty much OUT., but in many instances I'm GLAD to be "out" :D

[Scott Hutchinson]

Simplyme if I have offended you,please forgive me in Jesus name, please.

[ChicagoPastor]

NOT Hispanic-only please get facts; many non-hispanics are members., to my knowledge noone has ever been REQUIRED (sounds like forced) to wear the veils., but the majority are fine with it especially if the leaderships do bible studies on that topic., there will always be those within Christdom who refuse to do most anything different from 'the world'.

they are required. It is a standard. I preach for them and know the AA well.
Some Pastors are a little more open about the subject now, but back in the day it was STRICTLY enforced.

[Pastor Keith]

What would be YOUR point? Good grief so many of the people on this forum that I've seen sure delight in making fun of other org's, their practices, their saints, just about anything! Forgetting that JESUS is taking notice., it would seem.


Please don't take it to seriously, my wife is Jeanie, Scott is harmless and my wife is not offended or bothered by his comments in the least.

[staysharp]

NOT Hispanic-only please get facts; many non-hispanics are members., to my knowledge noone has ever been REQUIRED (sounds like forced) to wear the veils., but the majority are fine with it especially if the leaderships do bible studies on that topic., there will always be those within Christdom who refuse to do most anything different from 'the world'.

Please...I was born and raised in the AA. My father and mother were high ranking officials. My mother sold veils with the "flor azul". They sold veils in the lobby at their conferences. If you did not obey, they intimidated you and made you feel like an outsider. If you were at a restaurant, they expected you to put it on to pray for your food and if you forgot a veil, they took the napkin and put it over their head.

Growing up my sisters wore one to appease the veil police! Save your apology for somebody who doesn't know any better.

You are welcome to wear whatever you want, but don't make it appear that it's voluntary. They (taliban) may not of sent you to hell, but you were certainly sent to purgatory.

[AmazingGrace]

Maybe its JUSTme, but I don't take joking about things holy to GOD well., even IF its 'in love', seriously - but if you all can interact like that w/o bad feelings, well then I guess its ya'lls thing. *shrug*
I've seen mostly interactions like that on this forum, btwn long-time mbrs which basically leaves the newbies pretty much OUT., but in many instances I'm GLAD to be "out" :D

The thing you have to learn about everyone around here is we all get along.. we can mess with each other, fight with each other, pick on each other... but we all love each other and are tighter than a glove when the need arises. I know its hard to realize this being new and I understand that.. but chill and just stand back and enjoy. There are good parts of this forum... you seem to just be involved in some of the spats (wondering if thats on purpose but we wont go there LOL) and that seems to be all you see... There is really a lot of love around here and most of all.. Family... we do accept everyone and anyone.. if they come with the right spirit.... or if we beat it into them.. lol... the biggest thing is... It takes time to get to know us all. Yea most of us have been around forever and ever and ever amen... LOL Just fact but we are open to new friends and people and we have proven that by how this place has grown... RELAX,,,, CHILL.... and ENJOY...

[SDG]

Dan this is what was discussed on their Blog- THEIR Blog Hello!!!!

No... you mentioned in your first post that the corruption is mentioned in blogs!!!! And that he told a convention that this is leading to a possible divorce ... where is the audio ??? Where is the link to the blog that says Aguilar's marriage is in jeopardy ...

If this is just the mouthings of one person ... I think you owe it to this precious family to not marginalize the sanctity of their marriage and their testimony by plastering possible misinformation.

[Monkeyman]

Maybe its JUSTme, but I don't take joking about things holy to GOD well., even IF its 'in love', seriously - but if you all can interact like that w/o bad feelings, well then I guess its ya'lls thing. *shrug*
I've seen mostly interactions like that on this forum, btwn long-time mbrs which basically leaves the newbies pretty much OUT., but in many instances I'm GLAD to be "out" :DBack off of Scott newbie...he's a gentleman

AND YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO POST #33

[Thad]

No... you mentioned in your first post that the corruption is mentioned in blogs!!!! And that he told a convention that this is leading to a possible divorce ... where is the audio ??? Where is the link to the blog that says Aguilar's marriage is in jeopardy ...

If this is just the mouthings of one person ... I think you owe it to this precious family to not marginalize the sanctity of their marriage and their testimony by plastering possible misinformation.


ALLof it is being discussed on the Blog

i posted the link

[SDG]

ALLof it is being discussed on the Blog

i posted the link

Where's the link to their blog, Thad??? I have combed the thread ... maybe I missed it???

[SDG]

Dan this is what was discussed on their Blog- THEIR Blog Hello!!!!

Their blog??? ... this blog doesn't belong to the Aguilars or the Assembly ... it's the pinings of one man .... and those who comment on it.

The blog belongs to Tony Leybas.

His profile says:

Age 35, 5th Generation Apostolic, Ministries: Family Counseling, Musician, Teaching, Author

You stated in post one that Abel Aguilar attested to his marriage being at risk to being dissolved because of this petty lawsuit and blogs....

Yet you provide no proof of this serious matter ... only a blog that we most comb through to read the blatherings of one blogger.

Thad ... where is the audio to support this claim that Abel Aguilar addressed the convention and said his wife threatened to divorce him???

ALERT
Allegedly His wife is humiliated and stressed out because all of the blogs discussing the corruption of the board.

ALERT
Abel Aguilar told the convention last month his wife threatened to divorce him because of the talk of their family on the blogs!!!!!!!

[SDG]

bump

[seguidordejesus]

El chismoso solo quiere chismear.

[simplyme]

El chismoso solo quiere chismear.

asi es yo intiendo.

[simplyme]

they are required. It is a standard. I preach for them and know the AA well.
Some Pastors are a little more open about the subject now, but back in the day it was STRICTLY enforced.

I suppose they WERE, but like everything else in THE CHURCH, people are more and more gaining momentum to do exactly as THEY please.
Period.
Personally I don't consider it a 'standard' but a holy consecration unto GOD and biblically correct as well. I struggle to comprehend how some women can be so against something so awesome. *shrug*

[simplyme]

Please...I was born and raised in the AA. My father and mother were high ranking officials. My mother sold veils with the "flor azul". They sold veils in the lobby at their conferences. If you did not obey, they intimidated you and made you feel like an outsider. If you were at a restaurant, they expected you to put it on to pray for your food and if you forgot a veil, they took the napkin and put it over their head.

Growing up my sisters wore one to appease the veil police! Save your apology for somebody who doesn't know any better. what apology and for what?
You are welcome to wear whatever you want, but don't make it appear that it's voluntary. They (taliban) may not of sent you to hell, but you were certainly sent to purgatory.

Having been baptized into the AA almost 10yrs ago, just about everyone wore them, and as the years have slipped by I've seen less of the younger women commit to wearing them, BUT its has been MY experience that no one so-called "enforced" them nor made others to feel bad about it., when women ask questions to the other sisters ABOUT the veils, we (not the pastor) answer them, and provide a veil IF they ask for one., I have seen this happen more than not.

Sorry that your experience may have been different, again I don't think that anyone should be forced to do something that is not from the heart or soul., it rather negates the intent., I've seen many of the high-ranking(?) official sisters NOT wear them to pray before eating at public restaurants, soo nothing surprises me. People being human, is all.

[simplyme]

Simplyme if I have offended you,please forgive me in Jesus name, please.
Sorry that I am 'touchy' about this topic., I am not so much 'offended' as bewildered., but as usual I get over it.
;)

[AmazingGrace]

Sorry that I am 'touchy' about this topic., I am not so much 'offended' as bewildered., but as usual I get over it.
;)

You still need to BACK OFF of Bro Scott! Your bewilderment is no reason to jump down his throat! NOW go take your Premysn and leave him alone or I assure you , the rest of the forum will be right here behind me backing this comment!

[Scott Hutchinson]

You still need to BACK OFF of Bro Scott! Your bewilderment is no reason to jump down his throat! NOW go take your Premysn and leave him alone or I assure you , the rest of the forum will be right here behind me backing this comment!

It's ok I do get a little silly sometimes,as a matter of fact I do have a dear brother in Christ who teaches the veil doctrine ,and I'm cool with that, my wife doesn't wear one but I appreciate the convictions of those that do.

[nahkoe]

You still need to BACK OFF of Bro Scott! Your bewilderment is no reason to jump down his throat! NOW go take your Premysn and leave him alone or I assure you , the rest of the forum will be right here behind me backing this comment!

I'll stand here. Of all the posters, Brother Scott just isn't the one to be jumping all over. He has such a sweet, sweet spirit.

[Monkeyman]

It's ok I do get a little silly sometimes,as a matter of fact I do have a dear brother in Christ who teaches the veil doctrine ,and I'm cool with that, my wife doesn't wear one but I appreciate the convictions of those that do.Scott, you are our resident gentlemen who always shows a kind and gentle spirit, we get upset if you get attacked by someone who doesn't know you and jumps to conclusions. You have nothing to be SORRY about, but of course you will take the high road and apologize, you are a Godly man and I respect you! Be blessed bro!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Simplyme is a great christian and I was insensitive.
Hey Monkeyman eat some Tamales for me.

[simplyme]

You still need to BACK OFF of Bro Scott! Your bewilderment is no reason to jump down his throat! NOW go take your Premysn and leave him alone or I assure you , the rest of the forum will be right here behind me backing this comment!
Whats Premysn? How dare you say I would take something I haven't even heard of! Talk about jumpin down someones throat, take your own advice thank you. Jesus is my physician AND bodyguard.

[simplyme]

Scott, you are our resident gentlemen who always shows a kind and gentle spirit, we get upset if you get attacked by someone who doesn't know you and jumps to conclusions. You have nothing to be SORRY about, but of course you will take the high road and apologize, you are a Godly man and I respect you! Be blessed bro!

He was NOT attacked you all sure know how to overreact., thank GOD there is at least ONE gentleman here, and that would be him., oh of course there is more than one now that I think about it.

[AmazingGrace]

Whats Premysn? How dare you say I would take something I haven't even heard of! Talk about jumpin down someones throat, take your own advice thank you. Jesus is my physician AND bodyguard.

Google it... maybe you need to try it! LOL

[simplyme]

Google it... maybe you need to try it! LOL

Sorry I don't take medical advice from smartalex.
That stuff sounds like hormonal med's which I no longer need to take seeing I'm old enough to be your grandma, show some respect already., if you
are truly a christian you should respect your elders.

[AmazingGrace]

Sorry I don't take medical advice from smartalex.
That stuff sounds like hormonal med's which I no longer need to take seeing I'm old enough to be your grandma, show some respect already., if you
are truly a christian you should respect your elders.

Be Blessed!.... Oh and BTW... I give respect where respect is earned and you by far have not shown to be worthy of such in these parts...

[AmazingGrace]

Oh and BTW when you go attacking wonderful men of God like Bro Scott then you have surly earned NO ONES respect around here! He is one of the most respected and honest posters and wouldnt hurt a fly unlike others!

[simplyme]

Be Blessed!.... Oh and BTW... I give respect where respect is earned and you by far have not shown to be worthy of such in these parts...
Well you aren't exactly living up to your username either, oh just 'cause I dare stand UP for some of MY beliefs that I see trashed, I am some problem to you? Sorry!
Can't pls everyone all the time., and I will survive without your respect., which you have GOD to answer for anyways;
have a nice eve may santa bring you all you deserve. :jolly

[simplyme]

Oh and BTW when you go attacking wonderful men of God like Bro Scott then you have surly earned NO ONES respect around here! He is one of the most respected and honest posters and wouldnt hurt a fly unlike others!

TRY to get over this already, geeeee! AND quit using that word ATTACK, you should really listen to what he said about it all.
I KNOW he is a cool guy, I have no problem with him, the questions were btwn HE and ME.
Not you.

[LaGirl]

i see i have been looking at the wrong threads. i have missed a lot here!!!! lol

[simplyme]

i see i have been looking at the wrong threads. i have missed a lot here!!!! lol

Oh its nuthin., lots more elsewhere I've seen., much more interesting.
:star

[AmazingGrace]

Well you aren't exactly living up to your username either, oh just 'cause I dare stand UP for some of MY beliefs that I see trashed, I am some problem to you? Sorry!
Can't pls everyone all the time., and I will survive without your respect., which you have GOD to answer for anyways;
have a nice eve may santa bring you all you deserve. :jolly

I dont believe in Santa but The Lord has wonderfully given me more than I deserve. A wonderful husband and wonderful children who are all filled with the holy ghost and a wonderful church and family.. wonderful friends and a wonderful home. Wonderful people to spend the holidays and many wonderful presents beneath my tree which I will indeed enjoy... And I have nothing I am ashamed to go before God for whatsoever.. I am blessed and happy... which by your posts on this and another forum show you are far from that... Have a wonderful holiday and be blessed!

[HeavenlyOne]

i see i have been looking at the wrong threads. i have missed a lot here!!!! lol

:donuts:icecream:girlpopcorn

Wanna share?

LOL!

[simplyme]

I dont believe in Santa but The Lord has wonderfully given me more than I deserve. A wonderful husband and wonderful children who are all filled with the holy ghost and a wonderful church and family.. wonderful friends and a wonderful home. Wonderful people to spend the holidays and many wonderful presents beneath my tree which I will indeed enjoy... And I have nothing I am ashamed to go before God for whatsoever.. I am blessed and happy... which by your posts on this and another forum show you are far from that... Have a wonderful holiday and be blessed!

OMG I didn't even know you were a sister I shoulda guessed.
Hey I have a lot of the same wonderfuls as what you have, too., don't underestimate me. I am far from what you probably think., I've come a long long ways, still movin forward; He hasn't given up on me just yet and never will amen!
Be blessed too. ;)

[simplyme]

:donuts:icecream:girlpopcorn

Wanna share?

LOL!

Errr, are you supposed to be eating all that junk?
:D

[AmazingGrace]

:donuts:icecream:girlpopcorn

Wanna share?

LOL!

I have the other poster blocked so I cant see so yall wanna share with me too? Cuz I am bored now ROFL!

[HeavenlyOne]

Errr, are you supposed to be eating all that junk?
:D

Popcorn is ok. The donuts and ice cream is a no-no!!!!

But LAGirl can have them. She's preggers!! LOL!

[AmazingGrace]

Popcorn is ok. The donuts and ice cream is a no-no!!!!

But LAGirl can have them. She's preggers!! LOL!

I will eat a donut for ya!!! I can!!! Wanna share??? I will make you some popcorn ifin you will send me a donut via fax like real quick!!! This cornbread aint cuttin it!!!

[simplyme]

Popcorn is ok. The donuts and ice cream is a no-no!!!!

But LAGirl can have them. She's preggers!! LOL!
How sweet!
Well carry on with that popcorn, I love it myself! I can't smell it and NOT eat some., I've cut donuts/pastries out totally., still workin on the icecream.

Congrats on your weight loss. ;)

[HeavenlyOne]

I will eat a donut for ya!!! I can!!! Wanna share??? I will make you some popcorn ifin you will send me a donut via fax like real quick!!! This cornbread aint cuttin it!!!

I just have a scanner, no fax!!

[HeavenlyOne]

How sweet!
Well carry on with that popcorn, I love it myself! I can't smell it and NOT eat some., I've cut donuts/pastries out totally., still workin on the icecream.

Congrats on your weight loss. ;)

Popcorn is like that! No matter how full I am, I can always take a little popcorn!

[HeavenlyOne]

Dan is banned. Boohoo.

[AmazingGrace]

I just have a scanner, no fax!!

K well then scan it.. thatll werk fer me!! I am headed out... gotta get ready to go to ToysRME!!! LOL

NITE nite!!!

[Praxeas]

Dan is banned. Boohoo.
Dan is banned, boohoo, oh my.

[Hoovie]

Where did this take place?

[LaGirl]

:donuts:icecream:girlpopcorn

Wanna share?

LOL!

:jolly YEP! lol

[LaGirl]

Where did this take place?

i missed it too!

[philjones]

I'll stand here. Of all the posters, Brother Scott just isn't the one to be jumping all over. He has such a sweet, sweet spirit.

You must have Bro. Scott and me confused! ROFL :D:shockamoo:shockamoo

[nahkoe]

You must have Bro. Scott and me confused! ROFL :D:shockamoo:shockamoo

Hmm. Maybe I mixed up those PMs.

No, I have them straight.

Your spirit is sweet too, brother. Thank you for that.

[CC1]

ALERT!!! ALERT!! THRAD HIJACKED!!!!


I notice nothing has been posted about Hispanic Apostolics and how one should not buy shutters from them in several pages now.

Doesn't somebody know the story behind this thread? The story behind the newscast?

Any good reason this AA brother has not refunded this money or delivered what he sold? Since we all know that all Hispanic people are related surely Monkeyman knows the "story behind the story"? LOL!!!

[ChicagoPastor]

I suppose they WERE, but like everything else in THE CHURCH, people are more and more gaining momentum to do exactly as THEY please.
Period.
Personally I don't consider it a 'standard' but a holy consecration unto GOD and biblically correct as well. I struggle to comprehend how some women can be so against something so awesome. *shrug*

Wearing a veil is definitly a standard in the AA. It is still enforced in the majority of AA churches.

[ChicagoPastor]

[QUOTE=simplyme;335653]Having been baptized into the AA almost 10yrs ago, just about everyone wore them, and as the years have slipped by I've seen less of the younger women commit to wearing them, BUT its has been MY experience that no one so-called "enforced" them nor made others to feel bad about it., when women ask questions to the other sisters ABOUT the veils, we (not the pastor) answer them, and provide a veil IF they ask for one., I have seen this happen more than not.QUOTE]

Thank you for bolding the part where you said it has been YOUR experience. While I do enjoy preaching and ministering in the AA, and the friendships I have ,anyone that has been around the AA for a while knows that the veil HAS been a divise issue.

The AA wouldn't fellowship with us in Chicago, because our women didn't wear veils. When we DID fellowship the Apostolic women ALWAYS made comments about the 'non' veil wearing UPC women. I've gone to dinner where everyone pulls out there veil and if someone forgot theirs, they'd use a napkin or share one with another sister.

There are a FEW Churches that aren't big on the veil anymore, but for the most part this is still very important. It IS a standard, found in their standards of holiness....not something optional.

[simplyme]

Thank you for bolding the part where you said it has been YOUR experience. While I do enjoy preaching and ministering in the AA, and the friendships I have ,anyone that has been around the AA for a while knows that the veil HAS been a divise issue.

The AA wouldn't fellowship with us in Chicago, because our women didn't wear veils. When we DID fellowship the Apostolic women ALWAYS made comments about the 'non' veil wearing UPC women. I've gone to dinner where everyone pulls out there veil and if someone forgot theirs, they'd use a napkin or share one with another sister.

There are a FEW Churches that aren't big on the veil anymore, but for the most part this is still very important. It IS a standard, found in their standards of holiness....not something optional.
For members I suppose that this is so, but for myself, I never saw it so-called "enforced"., nor read it in the 'Constitution, nor heard it preached about - strongly suggested? YES., but nothing comes of forcing anyone to do ANYthing it will certainly not foster UNITY in and of itself.
Even now that I don't attend AAchurches anymore, it is still part of MY personal consecration for GOD, as well as obedience to Him, to cover my head for prayer and reading THE WORD. I find it reprehensible for anyone to use this issue as something to cause division, gossip or anything not conducive to projecting a christian spirit, or of loving GOD - come on! He notices details like that., LOVE is the only standard that truly matters at the end of the day.
Humans can be :bubble so ridiculous sometimes.

[commonsense]

Once again we are being educated by AFF threads. I was not aware of the veil requirement. I've heard of it but this is confirmation.

Is the veil in place of long hair or in addition to long hair??

[staysharp]

Once again we are being educated by AFF threads. I was not aware of the veil requirement. I've heard of it but this is confirmation.

Is the veil in place of long hair or in addition to long hair??

The AA does teach a women should have long hair, it does not teach it is a sin to cut it. The veil is used when praying or prophesying. So, they do not teach the physical hair is a covering,They believe a women should cover her head physically when praying. This custom comes from the spanish culture which has its roots in Roman Catholicism.

[SoCaliUPC]

The AA does teach a women should have long hair, it does not teach it is a sin to cut it. The veil is used when praying or prophesying. So, they do not teach the physical hair is a covering,They believe a women should cover her head physically when praying. This custom comes from the spanish culture which has its roots in Roman Catholicism.


Everything staysharp has said is correct. The veils are predominently seen when they go to church.

[Monkeyman]

He was NOT attacked you all sure know how to overreact., thank GOD there is at least ONE gentleman here, and that would be him., oh of course there is more than one now that I think about it.No, he was attacked by you and I didn't like it and I will come to his defense time after time so deal with it.

[Monkeyman]

You must have Bro. Scott and me confused! ROFL :D:shockamoo:shockamooLol PJ, your a funny dude!

[Monkeyman]

ALERT!!! ALERT!! THRAD HIJACKED!!!!


I notice nothing has been posted about Hispanic Apostolics and how one should not buy shutters from them in several pages now.

Doesn't somebody know the story behind this thread? The story behind the newscast?

Any good reason this AA brother has not refunded this money or delivered what he sold? Since we all know that all Hispanic people are related surely Monkeyman knows the "story behind the story"? LOL!!!Aaaah, another funny dude...but you are correct on this one, I do have the insider info on AA happenings, just not this GB5 fiasco!

[Pastor DTSalaz]

that it was a dishonor to Christ when a man prayed or prophesied with his head covered, and in like manner it was regarded everywhere as dishonorable and improper for a woman to lay aside the appropriate symbol of her sex, and the emblem of subordination, and to be uncovered in the presence of the man 1Co_11:3-5; that if a woman was not veiled, if she laid aside the appropriate emblem of her sex and of her subordinate condition, she might as well part with her hair, which all knew would be dishonorable and improper 1Co_11:6; that the woman had been created for a subordinate station, and should observe it 1Co_11:7-9; that she should have power on her head because of the angels (1Co_11:10

Qoute by Albert Barnes notes on the Bible

and that nature on this subject was a good instructor, and showed that it was uncomely for a woman to pray with her head uncovered, that her hair had been given her for an ornament and for beauty, and that, as it would be as improper for her to remove her veil as to cut off her hair, nature itself required that this symbol of her subordination should be laid aside in public, 1Co_11:13-16.

[Pastor DTSalaz]

1 Corinthians 11 -
The apostle reprehends the Corinthians for several irregularities in their manner of conducting public worship; the men praying or prophesying with their heads covered, and the women with their heads uncovered, contrary to custom, propriety, and decency, 1Co_11:1-6.

Adam Clarkes Commentary on the Bible

wherefore for him to appear, and join in public worship, with his head covered, is to dishonour his head, 1Co_11:4 as, on the other hand, for a woman to have her head uncovered in divine service, is to dishonour her head, it being all one as if her head was shaved, 1Co_11:5 wherefore it is concluded, that if it is a shame for her to be shaved or shorn, she ought to be covered when attending the worship of God, 1Co_11:6.

John Gills exposition of the bible

[jdm05]

Aaaah, another funny dude...but you are correct on this one, I do have the insider info on AA happenings, just not this GB5 fiasco!


One of the GB5 guys was arrested in June.

[TRFrance]

Does anyone have the link to a forum/ message board geared toward the Apostolic Assembly, or some other Spanish apostolic denomination?

[GraceAmazing]

One of the GB5 guys was arrested in June.

Are you kidding??? What in the world was that about? I really like that group. :(