Tulsa Question

[Harmony]

I have a couple questions regarding the new Tulsa Organization.

1.) If you sign up as a memeber of their organization are you able to maintain you UPCI license?

2.) Are there more guidlines of a minister of that organizaion other then what they laid out in the articles of faith?

I also have a question regarding the UPCI.

1.) If you are a pastor of a UPCI church and it is affiliated with the UPCI, and you no longer want to be a minister with that organization, can you just change your organization or do you have to hand over the church to another UPCI minister?

[Rev]

I have a couple questions regarding the new Tulsa Organization.

1.) If you sign up as a memeber of their organization are you able to maintain you UPCI license?

2.) Are there more guidlines of a minister of that organizaion other then what they laid out in the articles of faith?

I also have a question regarding the UPCI.

1.) If you are a pastor of a UPCI church and it is affiliated with the UPCI, and you no longer want to be a minister with that organization, can you just change your organization or do you have to hand over the church to another UPCI minister?

I'm not sure what has to be done, but I've known of UPCs in the past that have voted as a body, to pull out of the UPC and did so.

[Revelationist]

I have a couple questions regarding the new Tulsa Organization.

1.) If you sign up as a memeber of their organization are you able to maintain you UPCI license?

2.) Are there more guidlines of a minister of that organizaion other then what they laid out in the articles of faith?

I also have a question regarding the UPCI.

1.) If you are a pastor of a UPCI church and it is affiliated with the UPCI, and you no longer want to be a minister with that organization, can you just change your organization or do you have to hand over the church to another UPCI minister?

Some organizations require that you only hold a liscense with them. I think this is the way the UPC does it, but I'm not for sure.

If the church is not affliliated, then your free to leave and take your church with you. If it's affiliated, the church has to have a vote to un-affiliat the church.

[Revelationist]

BTW... why would a person want to keep a UPC liscense if they sign up with the new organization? The whole purpose of the New Organization is because the UPC has gone bad, and they have to start up a organization that's right with God.

[stmatthew]

I have a couple questions regarding the new Tulsa Organization.

1.) If you sign up as a memeber of their organization are you able to maintain you UPCI license?

No, because as I understand it, the UPCI is not going to allow anyone that joins this group to hold a license with them. Bro Haney's recent letter clearly names the PWF as the "enemy".



2.) Are there more guidlines of a minister of that organizaion other then what they laid out in the articles of faith?

The group is still in its formation stages, so there is no definite on whether there will be more guidelines or not.



I also have a question regarding the UPCI.

1.) If you are a pastor of a UPCI church and it is affiliated with the UPCI, and you no longer want to be a minister with that organization, can you just change your organization or do you have to hand over the church to another UPCI minister?

There are several thoughts here. An affiliated church MUST have a UPCI licensed minister pastoring it. IF the Pastor turns in his license, he must relinquish his position as pastor. The other option is that if the church wishes to vote to disaffiliate the church from the UPCI, they can do so, and then the pastor could turn in his license and continue pastoring there.

[Harmony]

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions..

If tulsa is not a licensing organization who will the Pastors that join be licensed with? I guess we will find out more as time ticks along.

[AGAPE]

if the church in incorporated the church can license the pastor

[pelathais]

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions..

If tulsa is not a licensing organization who will the Pastors that join be licensed with? I guess we will find out more as time ticks along.
Several people have stated that there might be a 2 tier level of membership. The Tulsa org. may have a level of membership that does not "interfere" with a simulataneous UPC license.

But as you have stated, time will tell.

[CC1]

Harmony,

An affiliated church with a pastor that wants to get out to either "go charismatic" or "go ultra con" usually just votes to unaffiliate before the pastor makes the leap and that solves the problem you posed.

However if a church did not do this then yes the UPC district would be empowered to install a new UPC pastor in the church if the current pastor was no longer UPC.

[embonpoint]

Harmony,

An affiliated church with a pastor that wants to get out to either "go charismatic" or "go ultra con" usually just votes to unaffiliate before the pastor makes the leap and that solves the problem you posed.

However if a church did not do this then yes the UPC district would be empowered to install a new UPC pastor in the church if the current pastor was no longer UPC.

However that new pastor might not have any legal rights in the business of the church if it is incorporated.

[CC1]

However that new pastor might not have any legal rights in the business of the church if it is incorporated.

Could be an interesting legal dilemma since by the process of affiliation the church is submitting itself to rules and regulations that might be violated by the incorporation if the incorporation does not recognize those rules and procedures.

[embonpoint]

Could be an interesting legal dilemma since by the process of affiliation the church is submitting itself to rules and regulations that might be violated by the incorporation if the incorporation does not recognize those rules and procedures.

Exactly! This is what keeps lawyers and the courts "in business". Everything is not always as cut and dried as it appears.