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I heard an interesting Statistic this weekend.
There are approximately 9,000 licensed Ministers with the UPCI in North America.
About 600 of them are below the age of 30!!
The median age is 43. That is my age (though I am not licensed) and I wonder why that is?
Isn't God calling anymore?
Included in our message is yesterday was this, the nmost important thing one can do in the kingdom is to serve.
Have we lost are ability to serve?
LadyChocolate
03-12-2007, 09:59 AM
I heard an interesting Statistic this weekend.
There are approximately 9,000 licensed Ministers with the UPCI in North America.
About 600 of them are below the age of 30!!
The median age is 43. That is my age (though I am not licensed) and I wonder why that is?
Isn't God calling anymore?
Included in our message is yesterday was this, the nmost important thing one can do in the kingdom is to serve.
Have we lost are ability to serve?
when I was coming up in the youth...there were soo many young men wanting to be a minister/preacher....
in my church, there hasn't been ONE young person in the last 12 years that had the desire to preach.... sad!!! and they sit under one of the best preachers ever......
Eliseus
03-12-2007, 10:01 AM
Just because a particular organisation doesn't have a ton of young people clamoring for a pulpit doesn't mean God isn't calling people.
Since when did God decide to limit his call to teenagers barely out of diapers anyway?
How old were the apostles when they were called?
Jesus Himself did not begin to preach until He was about 30 years old - and He was considered a "whippersnapper" by the folks in His day...
This was the last statistical breakdown I had as of '06 ... on the ages ...
Here is the breakdown:
Teens 1
20’s 604
30’s 1725
40’s 2331
50’s 2105
60’s 1179
70’s 763
80’s 321
90’s 54
100’s 3
The current average ages is 48.
The single largest group are 40-year-olds.
The second largest are the 50-year-olds.
The third largest are the 30-year-olds.
We have more in their 30’s than in their 60’s (1725 to 1179).
We have more in their 40’s than in their 50’s (2331 to 2105).
Almost as many in their 20’s as in their 70’s (604 to 763).
The most interesting statistic to me:
Percent 39 or below: 26%
Percent 60 or above: 26%
Annie
03-12-2007, 10:04 AM
You cited UPCI stats..wonder what the other orgs are experiencing in this particular area? I notice on the ALJC Evangelists site, there are very few full time- and they are middle aged, it looks like.
Interesting...
Just because a particular organisation doesn't have a ton of young people clamoring for a pulpit doesn't mean God isn't calling people.
Since when did God decide to limit his call to teenagers barely out of diapers anyway?
How old were the apostles when they were called?
Jesus Himself did not begin to preach until He was about 30 years old - and He was considered a "whippersnapper" by the folks in His day...
Fair enough.
Why do you think there is a discrepancy in the ages?
Of those in their 20's and possibly 30's what is the ratio of preachers kids or son-in-laws ... I'm sure it's an inordinate number.
This was the last statistical breakdown I had as of '06 ... on the ages ...
Here is the breakdown:
Teens 1
20’s 604
30’s 1725
40’s 2331
50’s 2105
60’s 1179
70’s 763
80’s 321
90’s 54
100’s 3
The current average ages is 48.
Interesting Stats Daniel,
Where do you get your breakdown?
You cited UPCI stats..wonder what the other orgs are experiencing in this particular area? I notice on the ALJC Evangelists site, there are very few full time- and they are middle aged, it looks like.
Interesting...
Hence, my question.
Why is that?
Interesting Stats Daniel,
Where do you get your breakdown?
From a minister on another forum who is a reliable inside man.
From a minister on another forum who is a reliable inside man.
Thanks,
Why do you think the Stats are that way?
Eliseus
03-12-2007, 10:11 AM
A more useful statistic would be the number and ages of NEW applications for license.
Which in the end will actually only give us an idea of how many people want a license.
There are preachers with no license, you know...
:)
Thanks,
Why do you think the Stats are that way?
Nepotism and fear.
A more useful statistic would be the number and ages of NEW applications for license.
Which in the end will actually only give us an idea of how many people want a license.
There are preachers with no license, you know...
:)
Yes, I know. I have no license and really don't want one.
Nepotism and fear.
?????:dunno
BoredOutOfMyMind
03-12-2007, 10:15 AM
Yes, I know. I have no license and really don't want one.
You get a subscription to the Pentecostal Herald with a UPCI license! :killinme
deadeye
03-12-2007, 10:24 AM
I really dont think the problem is that young men aren't being called or responding. What is happening is that Pastors are not encouraging thier young men to get thier license as early.
I have a friend nearby who has 16 ministers (most are in thier teens and 20's) in his church and only 4 of them are licensed. He simply sees no need to be paying the dues of 12 extra men.
Another has 4 in his church and 2 are licensed.
There are a couple of reasons why this is happening, one is that only certain men can vote, and so young preachers, and thier Pastors see no reason to license men who cant vote anyway.
Dues are going up, ( 100.00 a month in Western District, plus national dues)
and why pay that when you can preach without it.
And with the instability and contreversies that are going on in the UPC right now, many feel that getting a license right now with the possibilty of leaving later would be dumb.
?????:dunno
I'll clarify later ... maybe.
Malvaro
03-12-2007, 10:30 AM
from a carnal perspective, which is what some only see, the kingdom of God doesn't pay bills like the world does....
if you aren't completely sold out to the Lord, you aren't going to be willing to sacrifice a nicer life to put up with some of the junk that pastors have to weekly put up with.... they will talk about how they "want to help the Kingdom of God" but will go to their 8-5 job, log their time, and come back to their nice 3 bedroom home with two-car garage....
they might even show up for all three church services, pay their tithes/ offerings and occasionally help with some ministry in the church....
ministry can lead to a sacrifice that many are not willing to pay....
jmho
Malvaro
03-12-2007, 10:36 AM
I really dont think the problem is that young men aren't being called or responding. What is happening is that Pastors are not encouraging thier young men to get thier license as early.
or they are just not plain encouraging their young men to get license....
I used to think that there are some pastors who may not recognize a person's calling to the ministry.... but a man's gift maketh room for itself.... sometimes a person just has to carve out their own place in the kingdom of God.... teaching at a prison/nursing home, teaching Bible studies, helping with the youth group or Sunday school, creating a study group, etc....
see my sig line.... :D
from a carnal perspective, which is what some only see, the kingdom of God doesn't pay bills like the world does....
if you aren't completely sold out to the Lord, you aren't going to be willing to sacrifice a nicer life to put up with some of the junk that pastors have to weekly put up with.... they will talk about how they "want to help the Kingdom of God" but will go to their 8-5 job, log their time, and come back to their nice 3 bedroom home with two-car garage....
they might even show up for all three church services, pay their tithes/ offerings and occasionally help with some ministry in the church....
ministry can lead to a sacrifice that many are not willing to pay....
jmho
Sadly this is true.
or they are just not plain encouraging their young men to get license....
I used to think that their are some pastors who may not recognize a person's calling to the ministry.... but a man's gift maketh room for itself.... sometimes a person just has to carve out their own place in the kingdom of God.... teaching at a prison/nursing home, teaching Bible studies, helping with the youth group or Sunday school, creating a study group, etc....
see my sig line.... :D
I agree!
QueenEsther
03-12-2007, 01:18 PM
I heard an interesting Statistic this weekend.
There are approximately 9,000 licensed Ministers with the UPCI in North America.
About 600 of them are below the age of 30!!
The median age is 43. That is my age (though I am not licensed) and I wonder why that is?
Isn't God calling anymore?
Included in our message is yesterday was this, the nmost important thing one can do in the kingdom is to serve.
Have we lost are ability to serve?
Maybe most don't get licensed until they are older - after they have gone through all their schooling - and for some it may take longer to figure out what their calling is. My husband is 25 and is just now getting into the ministry - he will not get licensed anytime soon either. That will be down the road once he knows for sure what God has for him down the road.
The dues alone are enough to hinders someone from joining in my opinion!!
QueenEsther
03-12-2007, 01:19 PM
when I was coming up in the youth...there were soo many young men wanting to be a minister/preacher....
in my church, there hasn't been ONE young person in the last 12 years that had the desire to preach.... sad!!! and they sit under one of the best preachers ever......
And here I was thinking that we have too many in our church who want to!!! Some of them I would be leary of but who am I too judge????? right? Lol!
QueenEsther
03-12-2007, 01:21 PM
I really dont think the problem is that young men aren't being called or responding. What is happening is that Pastors are not encouraging thier young men to get thier license as early.
I have a friend nearby who has 16 ministers (most are in thier teens and 20's) in his church and only 4 of them are licensed. He simply sees no need to be paying the dues of 12 extra men.
Another has 4 in his church and 2 are licensed.
There are a couple of reasons why this is happening, one is that only certain men can vote, and so young preachers, and thier Pastors see no reason to license men who cant vote anyway.
Dues are going up, ( 100.00 a month in Western District, plus national dues)
and why pay that when you can preach without it. And with the instability and contreversies that are going on in the UPC right now, many feel that getting a license right now with the possibilty of leaving later would be dumb.
I agree!!
QueenEsther
03-12-2007, 01:23 PM
or they are just not plain encouraging their young men to get license....
I used to think that there are some pastors who may not recognize a person's calling to the ministry.... but a man's gift maketh room for itself.... sometimes a person just has to carve out their own place in the kingdom of God.... teaching at a prison/nursing home, teaching Bible studies, helping with the youth group or Sunday school, creating a study group, etc....
see my sig line.... :D
That may be true - my former pastor was always leary of encouraging people to get licensed but my current pastor encourages it greatly!!
Sometimes I wonder how certain people get licensed!!! LoL!!
BoredOutOfMyMind
03-12-2007, 01:30 PM
That may be true - my former pastor was always leary of encouraging people to get licensed but my current pastor encourages it greatly!!
Sometimes I wonder how certain people get licensed!!! LoL!!
And how do some keep them?
:dunno
Annie
03-12-2007, 01:52 PM
That may be true - my former pastor was always leary of encouraging people to get licensed but my current pastor encourages it greatly!!
Sometimes I wonder how certain people get licensed!!! LoL!!
They have to be recommended by their pastor...I thought???
You get a subscription to the Pentecostal Herald with a UPCI license! :killinme
I have a subscription to the Pentecostal Herald without a UPCI license.
BoredOutOfMyMind
03-12-2007, 04:10 PM
I have a subscription to the Pentecostal Herald without a UPCI license.
Well be sure to add $59.95 a month to your subscription then.....
hammondb3klingon1
03-12-2007, 07:16 PM
I heard an interesting Statistic this weekend.
There are approximately 9,000 licensed Ministers with the UPCI in North America.
About 600 of them are below the age of 30!!
The median age is 43. That is my age (though I am not licensed) and I wonder why that is?
Isn't God calling anymore?
Included in our message is yesterday was this, the nmost important thing one can do in the kingdom is to serve.
Have we lost are ability to serve?
I know a pastor who preaches that God does not call men to preach. Only other men call men to preach and you can't preach unless he tells you to. Furthermore, if you feel the call to preach somewhere besides his church he stated "Men who want to go pastor or evangelize, that is their mistake"
I wonder how many are going to hell while 7 preachers sit on his pews or his good friend that has 50+ preachers sitting on his pews. Who is going to hell the African who never heard or the Jerk who would not let a man go preach to the african nations.
Malvaro
06-25-2007, 12:19 PM
any other thoughts regarding this matter????
I heard an interesting Statistic this weekend.
There are approximately 9,000 licensed Ministers with the UPCI in North America.
About 600 of them are below the age of 30!!
The median age is 43. That is my age (though I am not licensed) and I wonder why that is?
Isn't God calling anymore?
Included in our message is yesterday was this, the nmost important thing one can do in the kingdom is to serve.
Have we lost are ability to serve?How did they figure the median* age was 43 if about 600 of the 9000 ministers are under age 30?
*a value in an ordered set of values below and above which there is an equal number of values or which is the arithmetic mean of the two middle values if there is no one middle number
KwaiQ
06-25-2007, 04:10 PM
How did they figure the median* age was 43 if about 600 of the 9000 ministers are under age 30?
*a value in an ordered set of values below and above which there is an equal number of values or which is the arithmetic mean of the two middle values if there is no one middle number
Because the rest are in their 100's :killinme
KwaiQ
06-25-2007, 04:11 PM
BTW, I'm in the 600 crowd! ;)
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