What is Wrong With This Picture?

[Nahum]

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[Nahum]

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[Pastor G]

What is wrong with this picture?

Well if they are not supposed to go to worldly attractions, it is kind of ironic that they mention when those attractions are opening... Kind of inviting you to stay over to go to them... hmmm Also I believe the guy in the picture has short sleeves on...

[Nahum]

Well if they are not supposed to go to worldly attractions, it is kind of ironic that they mention when those attractions are opening... Kind of inviting you to stay over to go to them... hmmm Also I believe the guy in the picture has short sleeves on...
LOL

That's hilarious, isn't it?

[Pastor G]

The girl has short sleeves on too... For shame for shame...

[Pastor G]

They are already compromising in their second conference... There might be another split off.....

[Nahum]

Too funny.

Branson attractions = okay.

Worldly sports and attractions = not okay.


?????

[chseeads]

They did correct the spelling of "Marriages" though in the little circle down toward the bottom....it used to say "Marrages." :)

I still don't think they need a comma after Substantive though.

:p

[Nahum]

They did correct the spelling of "Marriages" though in the little circle down toward the bottom....it used to say "Marrages." :)

I still don't think they need a comma after Substantive though.

:p

Pretty snazzy little ad.

Better than most I see from the Mothership.

[jrLA]

Pretty snazzy little ad.

Better than most I see from the Mothership.

Sorry, I disagree with you there. I think our printing and publishing has gotten much better and was thinking that this was a little cheesy.

[Nahum]

Sorry, I disagree with you there. I think our printing and publishing has gotten much better and was thinking that this was a little cheesy.


okeydokey

[pelathais]

Sorry, I disagree with you there. I think our printing and publishing has gotten much better and was thinking that this was a little cheesy.

okeydokey
I agree with jrLA on this one. As long as they stay off the "lace doily" fetish the mothership does produce some agreeable graphics.

But when they have to kowtow to some irate pastor complaining about the "compromise" reflected in a color scheme or font face, that's when they err. IMHO.

I agree with PP's quizzical outlook on that flyer advertising the opening availability of the "summer attractions."

[Joseph Miller]

Too funny.

Branson attractions = okay.

Worldly sports and attractions = not okay.


?????


That is EXACTLY what my pastor said when I showed it to him. It is a double standard.

[blueaugust]

I noticed they used the phrase "World Class Marriages"

Doesn't that sound worldly? :D

(For all Tulsa supporters - No offense meant)

[Hegavmelif]

What is wrong with this picture, you ask?

IMHO....it is just another advertisment from another organization that uses God's tithes to promote entertainment and fellowship limited to preachers and their families only. They attend these things while we are all at work paying bills and keeping the church doors open. Again, IMHO.

[gearjammer]

What is wrong with this picture, you ask?

IMHO....it is just another advertisment from another organization that uses God's tithes to promote entertainment and fellowship limited to preachers and their families only. They attend these things while we are all at work paying bills and keeping the church doors open. Again, IMHO.

Amen Brother, Preach it.

[Pragmatist]

The "Stronger Together" theme seems ironic.

[Apprehended]

Say it aint so....

Their preachers and wives are ALREADY having trouble in their marriages?

The spirit of "split up" and "I can do without you," has already reached into the home and they feel like they need this for their marriages?

I understand perfectly well.

[MissBrattified]

Say it aint so....

Their preachers and wives are ALREADY having trouble in their marriages?

The spirit of "split up" and "I can do without you," has already reached into the home and they feel like they need this for their marriages?

I understand perfectly well.

:toofunny

[1992]

I could be totally off here, but doesn't it seem funny to anyone that it says "Preachers, wives and families"? Wouldn't it be better if it read "A Conference for Preachers, their wives and families"? Just thought that looked funny, as if preachers and any wives and families were invited. Not necessarily the preacher's wives. Maybe it's just my twisted sense of humor. I did notice the short sleeves on both, though. :)

[Timmy]

I could be totally off here, but doesn't it seem funny to anyone that it says "Preachers, wives and families"? Wouldn't it be better if it read "A Conference for Preachers, their wives and families"? Just thought that looked funny, as if preachers and any wives and families were invited. Not necessarily the preacher's wives. Maybe it's just my twisted sense of humor. I did notice the short sleeves on both, though. :)

Hey, I guess my family's invited! :lol

[RandyWayne]

Maybe I am the only who is genuinly curious as to what marriage advice is going to be dished out..... :)

No doubt much of it will be of the basic, good, wholesome common sense variety, but I am also sure there will be some "questionable" stuff thrown in as well.

Oh yes, and the "Attractions" thing stood out as well.

[The Mrs]

Too funny.

Branson attractions = okay.

Worldly sports and attractions = not okay.


?????

No, no, no...PP you're looking at it from the wrong angle!

It wasn't a PROMOTION of those attractions, it was a WARNING!

They are letting them know the date those will be opening so they can GET OUT OF DODGE!!!

:toofunny

[MissBrattified]

Is this nitpicking? :coffee2

Just askin'....:D

[The Mrs]

I noticed they used the phrase "World Class Marriages"

Doesn't that sound worldly? :D

(For all Tulsa supporters - No offense meant)

This term kinda took me by surprise as well. Just what is a 'World Class Marriage'???

First thoughts were it was only for the mucky-mucks. Low-lifes need not apply. :stirpot

[The Mrs]

Is this nitpicking? :coffee2

Just askin'....:D

I don't know about the rest, but I AM!!! :toofunny

And I'm not done yet either! :happydance

[The Mrs]

Maybe I am the only who is genuinly curious as to what marriage advice is going to be dished out..... :)

No doubt much of it will be of the basic, good, wholesome common sense variety, but I am also sure there will be some "questionable" stuff thrown in as well.

Oh yes, and the "Attractions" thing stood out as well.

Oh, you mean stuff that they got from Dr. James Dobson??? :D







Okay...I'm all done Miss B! :girlyluv

[MissBrattified]

Maybe I am the only who is genuinly curious as to what marriage advice is going to be dished out..... :)

No doubt much of it will be of the basic, good, wholesome common sense variety, but I am also sure there will be some "questionable" stuff thrown in as well.

Oh yes, and the "Attractions" thing stood out as well.

What sort of questionable stuff are you thinking of?

[RandyWayne]

What sort of questionable stuff are you thinking of?

I am thinking about the "stuff" that was taught at the last "marriage class" we went to -and never returned too. In fact, we never even went back to that church again -which was my wife's church her whole life, so that was saying a lot.

It consisted of a whole lot of sexual "dont's" and really only ONE sexual "do" which was basically "have kids!".

[Elizabeth]

imo--Isnt it just a poorly done brochure?? Im having difficulty seeing whats the big deal.

[Coonskinner]

I am thinking about the "stuff" that was taught at the last "marriage class" we went to -and never returned too. In fact, we never even went back to that church again -which was my wife's church her whole life, so that was saying a lot.

It consisted of a whole lot of sexual "dont's" and really only ONE sexual "do" which was basically "have kids!".


I have heard Nate Wilson teach on marriage, and you will not hear that kind of thing from him.

[revrandy]

I have heard Nate Wilson teach on marriage, and you will not hear that kind of thing from him.

I concur...with CS here.....

We were in one marriage class and an well known conservative guest Pastor who was teaching was telling us about his wife meeting him at the door in "unmentionables"....and having "fun".....being a couple.... It was appropriate and good....

It was a great class and many couples benefited from it!!

[MissBrattified]

Right. If anyone has the idea that being conservative on standards is in any way equivalent to being "conservative" or prudish in the bedroom--think AGAIN.

[Nahum]

Right. If anyone has the idea that being conservative on standards is in any way equivalent to being "conservative" or prudish in the bedroom--think AGAIN.
TMI MissB, TMI.

[revrandy]

:shockamoo:shockamoo:shockamoo

[MissBrattified]

TMI MissB, TMI.

I'm a moderate. Not a conservative. :coffee2

...not sure what that means in reference to the present conversation.

...not sure I should elaborate further.

...not sure....

[Michael Phelps]

Right. If anyone has the idea that being conservative on standards is in any way equivalent to being "conservative" or prudish in the bedroom--think AGAIN.

I would agree with you in many cases, possibly most, but there are a few rare cases where folks confuse sexual repression with holiness!

I know of some personally, and wouldn't mention names on this forum.......but, some of the things I've heard would make you just shake your head and go "HUH"?

[Nahum]

This thread has taken a disgusting turn downhill.:tvhappy

I guess that's why they don't have time for tv,huh?

[Nahum]

I'm a moderate. Not a conservative. :coffee2

...not sure what that means in reference to the present conversation.

...not sure I should elaborate further.

...not sure....
Yes, I am gonna walk away.


Hands held high, somber look on my face.:stirpot

[revrandy]

I'm a moderate. Not a conservative. :coffee2

...not sure what that means in reference to the present conversation.

...not sure I should elaborate further.

...not sure....

I think enough has been said....back to the topic at hand...!!

[MissBrattified]

I would agree with you in many cases, possibly most, but there are a few rare cases where folks confuse sexual repression with holiness!

I know of some personally, and wouldn't mention names on this forum.......but, some of the things I've heard would make you just shake your head and go "HUH"?

Yes, and there are well-meaning denominal folks who ascribe to the same puritan views.

I know a few, too, but they're definitely in the minority.

[Michael Phelps]

Yes, and there are well-meaning denominal folks who ascribe to the same puritan views.

I know a few, too, but they're definitely in the minority.

I would have to agree, I think it has more to do with the generation than the denomination.

[RandyWayne]

Anyways, when I see a conservative group teaching a marriage seminar, that was the first thing I thought of. Based on our own past experience AND some of the conversations here were people "heard"/were told to wear cloths and even long sleeve shirts to bed.

The whole "Branson Entertainment" thing -from a group who pulls most of their kids from pep rallies in high school, was a close second. :)

I actually thought the ad itself was nice and professional looking!

[RandyWayne]

I concur...with CS here.....

We were in one marriage class and an well known conservative guest Pastor who was teaching was telling us about his wife meeting him at the door in "unmentionables"....and having "fun".....being a couple.... It was appropriate and good....

It was a great class and many couples benefited from it!!

LOL
My wife went to a ladies seminar a few years ago and her favorite line from the speaker (who was discussing various marriage issues) was "....and about the only thing God would forbid in the bedroom is other people, animals, and probably porn -unless you make your own!", to which the entire auditorium broke out in laughter.

[Apprehended]

Right. If anyone has the idea that being conservative on standards is in any way equivalent to being "conservative" or prudish in the bedroom--think AGAIN.

You set my mind to reeling and rockin' with THIS statement!!!

Are you saying that these up tight, sooooper holiness, "everbody goin' to hell 'cept me and thee" ultra cons are really liberal and "anything goes" in the bedroom???

[MissBrattified]

You set my mind to reeling and rockin' with THIS statement!!!

Are you saying that these up tight, sooooper holiness, "everbody goin' to hell 'cept me and thee" ultra cons are really liberal and "anything goes" in the bedroom???

Um...is this a rhetorical question? :TulsaTime:

[Apprehended]

Um...is this a rhetorical question? :TulsaTime:

Yes, partially...

However, since I've never been to a marriage seminar, I am curious as to what they truly believe about that subject. Do they say that ANYTHING is permissible together alone in the marriage bed? I really would like to know.

Thank you.

[MissBrattified]

Okay, well...I typed two versions of my post, then started to PM you, then decided against it. LOL!

No details, but I have been to classes for women that went into "ideas" for keeping things interesting.

On the flip side, I have heard it preached from a certain pulpit (which I believe you are familiar with) that only one...way is permissible, and too much sex "feeds the flesh." No doubt. LOL!

[RandyWayne]

Okay, well...I typed two versions of my post, then started to PM you, then decided against it. LOL!

No details, but I have been to classes for women that went into "ideas" for keeping things interesting.

On the flip side, I have heard it preached from a certain pulpit (which I believe you are familiar with) that only one...way is permissible, and too much sex "feeds the flesh." No doubt. LOL!


This was the gist of our last so-called marriage seminar. Nothing was allowed on Sunday or Saturday night (because we should be contemplating Sunday morning) nor during "that time of the month" OR for a full week after because of the Levitical cleansing period.
I started to raise my hand to ask him "so 30 minutes ago was a no no?" but my wife grabbed it and pushed it down, with great force.

[Michael Phelps]

This was the gist of our last so-called marriage seminar. Nothing was allowed on Sunday or Saturday night (because we should be contemplating Sunday morning) nor during "that time of the month" OR for a full week after because of the Levitical cleansing period.
I started to raise my hand to ask him "so 30 minutes ago was a no no?" but my wife grabbed it and pushed it down, with great force.

This thread is quickly headed to the "R" rated section of the forum!!!!!!!!!!

[RandyWayne]

I am curious as to the content of a marriage seminar held by a very conservative organization.

Will there be a lot of "women belong in the home!" talk? Will their be classes showing women how to tend to their faithful husband?

[rgcraig]

Just make note that MissB started it!!!!

[MissBrattified]

NO, it was RANDY who started it. I did NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Michael Phelps]

NO, it was RANDY who started it. I did NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh, yeah.........the WOMAN, Lord, SHE made me eat of the fruit........I just ate it because SHE started it! So, banish HER from Eden, Lord, not me........SHE STARTED IT!!!!!!!!:happydance:stirpot

Hehehe............

[rgcraig]

I concur...with CS here.....

We were in one marriage class and an well known conservative guest Pastor who was teaching was telling us about his wife meeting him at the door in "unmentionables"....and having "fun".....being a couple.... It was appropriate and good....

It was a great class and many couples benefited from it!!

Right. If anyone has the idea that being conservative on standards is in any way equivalent to being "conservative" or prudish in the bedroom--think AGAIN.

Okay, I will concede.........the posts were only one minute apart though! :toofunny

[MissBrattified]

Okay, I will concede.........the posts were only one minute apart though! :toofunny

Not that Randy. :girlytantrum

[Apprehended]

Okay, well...I typed two versions of my post, then started to PM you, then decided against it. LOL!

No details, but I have been to classes for women that went into "ideas" for keeping things interesting.

On the flip side, I have heard it preached from a certain pulpit (which I believe you are familiar with) that only one...way is permissible, and too much sex "feeds the flesh." No doubt. LOL!

Yes, I've heard it too.

A certain lady in our church came to me almost in tears saying, "Bro. -------, I went to bro. T-----i for private counseling because my husband kept insisting on oral sex. I've always been taught against it. But in private counseling, he told me to do it. Br. -------, what should I do?"

"Sister," says I, "For such are the reasons that I was never called of God to be a PRIVATE counselor. I just preach the Word." It was not what she wanted to hear.

[Michael Phelps]

Yes, I've heard it too.

A certain lady in our church came to me almost in tears saying, "Bro. -------, I went to bro. T-----i for private counseling because my husband kept insisting on oral sex. I've always been taught against it. But in private counseling, he told me to do it. Br. -------, what should I do?"

"Sister," says I, "For such are the reasons that I was never called of God to be a PRIVATE counselor. I just preach the Word." It was not what she wanted to hear.

Ok, we're past the "R" section, into NC17 territory, quickly heading for "X", lol.

[rgcraig]

Not that Randy. :girlytantrum

Well, then I go back to my original point - - he just stated something and you had to go question what he meant!

:happydance:happydance:happydance

[RandyWayne]

Ok, without sounding like the halls in a typical high school, errr, I mean JH, errrr, I mean elementary school.... I think this IS a subject for honest discussion without getting too lurid. LOL

[dizzyde]

Wow. :blink :uhoh


I think the title of this thread is a tad misleading!! :toofunny :toofunny

[MissBrattified]

Well, regardless of what your personal beliefs are, no one, male or female, should ever be forced to or pressured into doing something they are uncomfortable with. That is unproductive, selfish on the part of the person demanding whatever it may be, and detrimental to intimacy as a whole, which should be the basic goal of married sexuality.

In my opinion, what happens in the bedroom is the business of the husband and wife only, as long as:

* No one is being pressured to go against their own conscience
* No one is being injured
* No one is being forced to do anything against their will

Ignorance abounds in this area, unfortunately, but if a man marries a woman who has been brought up to be ashamed of certain things, or worse yet, it has been taught against from the pulpit as sin, then he cannot and should not expect her to comply with something that will make her feel bad, dirty or sinful.

[RandyWayne]

Ignorance abounds in this area, unfortunately, but if a man marries a woman who has been brought up to be ashamed of certain things, or worse yet, it has been taught against from the pulpit as sin, then he cannot and should not expect her to comply with something that will make her feel bad, dirty or sinful.

I believe this is the case with the pastor who taught our marriage class. Granted he is a guy but the same thing applies. He is ashamed of certain things to the point where he couldn't say anything positive about it other then "have kids".

[revrandy]

Okay, I will concede.........the posts were only one minute apart though! :toofunny

Not that Randy. :girlytantrum

Thank You!!

It was NOT this Randy....:happydance

[Apprehended]

Well, regardless of what your personal beliefs are, no one, male or female, should ever be forced to or pressured into doing something they are uncomfortable with. That is unproductive, selfish on the part of the person demanding whatever it may be, and detrimental to intimacy as a whole, which should be the basic goal of married sexuality.

In my opinion, what happens in the bedroom is the business of the husband and wife only, as long as:

* No one is being pressured to go against their own conscience
* No one is being injured
* No one is being forced to do anything against their will

Ignorance abounds in this area, unfortunately, but if a man marries a woman who has been brought up to be ashamed of certain things, or worse yet, it has been taught against from the pulpit as sin, then he cannot and should not expect her to comply with something that will make her feel bad, dirty or sinful.

Beautifully said, sis...

I was surprised to learn from the sister that the visiting "counselor" sided with the husband on the issue.

I sure am glad that I am not a counselor. I think that I will just copy your note above and carry it around with me just in case I am ever approached again. I'll just whip out your words and put it on them...or maybe just give them a copy. :lol

[Pressing-On]

I agree, good post Abigail.

I was hesitating on weighing in on this subject, but after having a conversation with a friend this morning something came to mind that I think is important - especially - for our young people.

Somehow our son had this impression that sex is boring after you've been married for a long period of time or because you become older. I suppose that is basically a normal perception of youth, actually.

I explained to him the beauty of knowing that person and the coming together which is so much more special as time passes. He was rather shocked by that.

He said, "You mean when ya'll have the library door locked....."

:toofunny

I told him I wasn't discussing any of that, but reassured him that "Intimacy" is not reserved for the youth.

I hope this isn't over the line, but I think it is important.

[rgcraig]

I think it's just generally "gross" for kids to think about their parents or older people being intimate on that level.

If they only knew.........

I remember my cousin that is six years older than me telling me when I got married that "intimacy" would be better with each year I was married.

[Pressing-On]

I think it's just generally "gross" for kids to think about their parents or older people being intimate on that level.

If they only knew.........

I remember my cousin that was six years older than me telling me when I got married that "intimacy" would be better with each year I was married.
Right! I was trying to be careful, but pointed out that the desire doesn't wane. I wanted him to know that. I discussed other things that I won't share here. He was happy to have the lesson.

Another point that isn't always discussed is the times when you feel motivated by intimate love and other times just pure human desire. I don't think a couple should feel guilty about that. It's normal.

[rgcraig]

LOL.....just thinking about this little thread tucked here in the middle of the Tulsa talk and how many have no idea............

[rgcraig]

Well, regardless of what your personal beliefs are, no one, male or female, should ever be forced to or pressured into doing something they are uncomfortable with. That is unproductive, selfish on the part of the person demanding whatever it may be, and detrimental to intimacy as a whole, which should be the basic goal of married sexuality.

In my opinion, what happens in the bedroom is the business of the husband and wife only, as long as:

* No one is being pressured to go against their own conscience
* No one is being injured
* No one is being forced to do anything against their will

Ignorance abounds in this area, unfortunately, but if a man marries a woman who has been brought up to be ashamed of certain things, or worse yet, it has been taught against from the pulpit as sin, then he cannot and should not expect her to comply with something that will make her feel bad, dirty or sinful.

Have to add my kudos on this post also!!!!

[Pressing-On]

LOL.....just thinking about this little thread tucked here in the middle of the Tulsa talk and how many have no idea............

And who would have thought - just a little brochure started the whole thing.

Does that remind you of a can of hair spray? lol

Did you realize on your Christmas tree pictures you have that can on your counter? I spotted it right away!!! :toofunny

[rgcraig]

And who would have thought - just a little brochure started the whole thing.

Does that remind you of a can of hair spray? lol

Did you realize on your Christmas tree pictures you have that can on your counter? I spotted it right away!!! :toofunny

LOL - - Socali pointed that out.

I think it was the picture of my example of what I'm going to make for my daughter's centerpieces for the reception.

[Pressing-On]

LOL - - Socali pointed that out.

I think it was the picture of my example of what I'm going to make for my daughter's centerpieces for the reception.

:toofunny:toofunny

I laughed when I saw it. Actually, I think I noticed it first!

[rgcraig]

:toofunny:toofunny

I laughed when I saw it. Actually, I think I noticed it first!

That was the first time I had used it. It's spray mousse and I probably won't purchase it again. I like the brand my DIL can get me.

[Pressing-On]

That was the first time I had used it. It's spray mousse and I probably won't purchase it again. I like the brand my DIL can get me.
I really liked it at first. I had the spray and mousse. Then I bought a can of Nexxus and I absolutely love that hairspray.

[rgcraig]

Brochure....intimate relationships.....hairspray!

How do we do this?

[Pressing-On]

Brochure....intimate relationships.....hairspray!

How do we do this?
Out of the abundance of the heart....?

:toofunny

[The Mrs]

Not that Randy. :girlytantrum

Oh, Behave!!! :naughty

[Pressing-On]

Oh, Behave!!! :naughty

Hey, how have you been, Miss Priss!!! :happydance

[The Mrs]

Brochure....intimate relationships.....hairspray!

How do we do this?

My little brother just turned 40, so I bought him a bunch of gag gifts...I REALLY wanted to buy him that BIG can of BIG SEXY HAIRSPRAY, but just couldn't bring myself to spend $16 on it!!! :toofunny

I settled for the little $6 one though! :thumbsup

[The Mrs]

Hey, how have you been, Miss Priss!!! :happydance


Miss Priss??? :uhoh

Oh no you di'ent! :girlfriend

[Pressing-On]

Miss Priss??? :uhoh

Oh no you di'ent! :girlfriend

:happydance:happydance:happydance

[The Mrs]

I just had to come and see where the party was... :happydance

[Pressing-On]

My little brother just turned 40, so I bought him a bunch of gag gifts...I REALLY wanted to buy him that BIG can of BIG SEXY HAIRSPRAY, but just couldn't bring myself to spend $16 on it!!! :toofunny

I settled for the little $6 one though! :thumbsup

:toofunny:toofunny

My husband won't use hairspray! It's so funny! "I'm a man!"

If he bothers me when we are getting dressed for church I grab my perfume bottle and point it at his suit. :toofunny He usually backs off right about then. :toofunny

[Pressing-On]

I just had to come and see where the party was... :happydance
I'm getting ready to leave it. I have to get my paperwork in order for my accountant. Fun stuff! lol

[RandyWayne]

Brochure....intimate relationships.....hairspray!

How do we do this?

Marriage, hairspray, and now Valentines day! (Ignore the 7 second Motorola commercial at the beginning.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxDHR_8sbUY

[The Mrs]

Nobody ever did answer what a 'World Class Marriage' is. :cupidlove

Hey, PO...why don't you take a stab at it! :bubble

[Pressing-On]

Marriage, hairspray, and now Valentines day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxDHR_8sbUY

Randy,
I'm afraid to hit the button. Sometimes I have no idea what you are going to say or do! Is it safe? :toofunny

[RandyWayne]

"Is it safe?" -as Dustin Hoffman sits in the dentist chair. Hee hee hee

Yes, THIS one is safe. :)

[Pressing-On]

Nobody ever did answer what a 'World Class Marriage' is. :cupidlove

Hey, PO...why don't you take a stab at it! :bubble

On the serious side of that - they just want to, as effectively as they know how, put out a brochure that offers hope knowing the pressures in a ministerial marriage.

On the non-serious side - Forget it! I ain't talkin' :toofunny

[The Mrs]

Marriage, hairspray, and now Valentines day! (Ignore the 7 second Motorola commercial at the beginning.)



Dude! Aren't YOU the one who sent this thread downhill in the first place???

Don't be adding fuel to the fire!!! :campfire

[Pressing-On]

"Is it safe?" -as Dustin Hoffman sits in the dentist chair. Hee hee hee

Yes, THIS one is safe. :)

Thanks for the confirmation. I wasn't sure after reading you favorite Valentine song title, caption, post...... :toofunny

[The Mrs]

I'm getting ready to leave it. I have to get my paperwork in order for my accountant. Fun stuff! lol

Is this our first warning?


:laffatu

[rgcraig]

"Is it safe?" -as Dustin Hoffman sits in the dentist chair. Hee hee hee

Yes, THIS one is safe. :)

I'll have to wait until I get home to view - - -

[Pressing-On]

Dude! Aren't YOU the one who sent this thread downhill in the first place???

Don't be adding fuel to the fire!!! :campfire

That's what I'm saying. :toofunny Actually, someone else was a little more candid on issues than Randy, thus far.

[RandyWayne]

On the serious side of that - they just want to, as effectively as they know how, put out a brochure that offers hope knowing the pressures in a ministerial marriage.

On the non-serious side - Forget it! I ain't talkin' :toofunny

And THAT has been my #1 question from the beginning! I am curious what the content of this seminar actually is.
Forget Branson and all the entertainment/shows that are implied.... I want to know about the content!

[Pressing-On]

Is this our first warning?


:laffatu

:highfive

Thanks for that reminder. That gives me another hour? Right? :toofunny

[The Mrs]

:highfive

Thanks for that reminder. That gives me another hour? Right? :toofunny

AT LEAST!!! :happydance :happydance :happydance



:toofunny

[Pressing-On]

And THAT has been my #1 question from the beginning! I am curious what the content of this seminar actually is.
Forget Branson and all the entertainment/shows that are implied.... I want to know about the content!
Well, Randy, what else could it be? Communication, touching, lingerie is great and important, alone time, shutting out pressures - for starters.

[rgcraig]

On the serious side of that - they just want to, as effectively as they know how, put out a brochure that offers hope knowing the pressures in a ministerial marriage.

On the non-serious side - Forget it! I ain't talkin' :toofunny

Nice save!

[The Mrs]

And THAT has been my #1 question from the beginning! I am curious what the content of this seminar actually is.
Forget Branson and all the entertainment/shows that are implied.... I want to know about the content!

How 'bout we take up an offering and send you and your lovely wife to it? :cupidlove

[Nahum]

I now regret starting this thread.


Jesus, help me!

[Pressing-On]

Nice save!

I'm toeing the line, honey. :toofunny

[Pressing-On]

I now regret starting this thread.


Jesus, help me!

Yes, but you are following the progression, I see. :happydance

[RandyWayne]

Well, Randy, what else could it be? Communication, touching, lingerie is great and important, alone time, shutting out pressures - for starters.

I seriously HOPE (and suspect) that that is most of it. But I also FEAR that there may be a bit of "Now put another log on the firrreeeee...." type of marital "advice" aimed at the man/head of the household toward his wife.

[Nahum]

Yes, but you are following the progression, I see. :happydance

Do you mean the degeneration?

I don't believe couples should be romantic.

Ceptin' for birthin' babies!

[Pressing-On]

I seriously HOPE (and suspect) that that is most of it. But I also FEAR that there may be a bit of "Now put another log on the firrreeeee...." type of marital "advice" aimed at the man/head of the household toward his wife.

I sincerely doubt it. We've dealt with so much, new converts and their issues, the youth and their issues, divorce, adultry. I doubt anyone is able to carry prosaic anymore. JMHO.

[RandyWayne]

How 'bout we take up an offering and send you and your lovely wife to it? :cupidlove

Funny thing is is that we'll be driving pretty close to there just a few days after! We're moving on April 5th or 6th, so should be driving through Springfield, MO by the end of the day.

[Encryptus]

LOL
My wife went to a ladies seminar a few years ago and her favorite line from the speaker (who was discussing various marriage issues) was "....and about the only thing God would forbid in the bedroom is other people, animals, and probably porn -unless you make your own!", to which the entire auditorium broke out in laughter.

So in keeping with good family values it can be just as valid to film the conception as to film the birth?

:happydance:stirpot:happydance

[Pressing-On]

Do you mean the degeneration?

I don't believe couples should be romantic.

Ceptin' for birthin' babies!
Erased my question... moving right along....

[Nahum]

Erased my question... moving right along....
LOL:stirpot

[Pressing-On]

LOL:stirpot

Yea, you just need that little Smilee in your avatar, buddy!

[rgcraig]

Do you mean the degeneration?

I don't believe couples should be romantic.

Ceptin' for birthin' babies!

That could be what the seminar conveys!

[RandyWayne]

So in keeping with good family values it can be just as valid to film the conception as to film the birth?

:happydance:stirpot:happydance

THAT never made sense to me. I saw my son born.... Once is enough Thank You! Nothing 'magical' or spiritual about it. Just a lot of slime and other stuff....... If you've ever been on a farm and seen a calf born (their much cuter by the way), you've seen it all.

[Pressing-On]

So in keeping with good family values it can be just as valid to film the conception as to film the birth?

:happydance:stirpot:happydance

Movin' right along.....

[Harmony]

So in keeping with good family values it can be just as valid to film the conception as to film the birth?

:happydance:stirpot:happydance



TOO FUNNY!!!:happydance

[Pressing-On]

That could be what the seminar conveys!

I doubt it. :toofunny

[Encryptus]

THAT never made sense to me. I saw my son born.... Once is enough Thank You! Nothing 'magical' or spiritual about it. Just a lot of slime and other stuff....... If you've ever been on a farm and seen a calf born (their much cuter by the way), you've seen it all.

So you personally stick solely to the former I take it. I admire a man of principle!

[RandyWayne]

That could be what the seminar conveys!

While I doubt MOST hold that view (that romance is only for birthin babies), I also suspect that many DO.

[The Mrs]

Erased my question... moving right along....

Movin' right along.....

Chicken! Bawk! Bawk! Baaawwwkkk!!!

[Pressing-On]

While I doubt MOST hold that view (that romance is only for birthin babies), I also suspect that many DO.

I doubt that. I really do.

[RandyWayne]

Do you doubt my tattoo? Or is it blue to you?

[Pressing-On]

Chicken! Bawk! Bawk! Baaawwwkkk!!!

Okay, so I was going to say.......


































Peer pressure around here is enormous!!!!!!!!

:toofunny:toofunny

[Coonskinner]

While I doubt MOST hold that view (that romance is only for birthin babies), I also suspect that many DO.

I have pretty extensive and deep roots among conservative Apostolics, and while that could have been the case 50 years ago, I think that particular erroneous concept is extremely rare today.

You ABSOLUTELY will not hear Nate Wilson teaching that.

[Pressing-On]

Do you doubt my tattoo? Or is it blue to you?

Is that part of a Valentine poem? :toofunny

[RandyWayne]

I have pretty extensive and deep roots among conservative Apostolics, and while that could have been the case 50 years ago, I think that particular erroneous concept is extremely rare today.

You ABSOLUTELY will not hear Nate Wilson teaching that.

Again, I would not suspect a lot of people there would think like that.

[Pressing-On]

I have pretty extensive and deep roots among conservative Apostolics, and while that could have been the case 50 years ago, I think that particular erroneous concept is extremely rare today.

You ABSOLUTELY will not hear Nate Wilson teaching that.
Right. Gone too far down that road to go back now. We've seen and heard too much and now we have to address things head on.

[The Mrs]

While I doubt MOST hold that view (that romance is only for birthin babies), I also suspect that many DO.

Lol! I made that mistake when I first got in the church! :doh

Have no idea where it came from except maybe Little House on the Prairie??? :toofunny

Thank the Lord a friend was close enough to me to talk about it and slapped some sense into me! :girlytantrum

[Pressing-On]

Again, I would not suspect a lot of people there would think like that.

You could stand at the door and hand out "The Joy of Sex" as each couple entered. Think that would work for you? :toofunny

[RandyWayne]

Lol! I made that mistake when I first got in the church! :doh

Have no idea where it came from except maybe Little House on the Prairie??? :toofunny

Thank the Lord a friend was close enough to me to talk about it and slapped some sense into me! :girlytantrum

I never personally ran into anyone who thought like this until the new (now ex) pastor came to town. A friend of my wifes got married just a few months after he came and attended his "marriage classes". A month or two later, she called up crying because her and her HUSBAND "gots to foolin around" and ended up "going all the way!" -exceptin it was a Sunday and you were forbidden to engage in such behavior on the Lords day. She was overflowing with guilt and shame.
How sad that HE (the pastor) would rend asunder what the Lord has joined at the alter!

[RandyWayne]

You could stand at the door and hand out "The Joy of Sex" as each couple entered. Think that would work for you? :toofunny

My old pastor gave us the book "Intended for Pleasure" when we told him we were getting married. :) I still consider him "my pastor" even though we don't get up there that often. I moved two hours South to move in with my wife, so we started going to her church.

[rgcraig]

I never personally ran into anyone who thought like this until the new (now ex) pastor came to town. A friend of my wifes got married just a few months after he came and attended his "marriage classes". A month or two later, she called up crying because her and her HUSBAND "gots to foolin around" and ended up "going all the way!" -exceptin it was a Sunday and you were forbidden to engage in such behavior on the Lords day. She was overflowing with guilt and shame.
How sad that HE (the pastor) would rend asunder what the Lord has joined at the alter!

How sad........:girlytantrum

[Coonskinner]

I never personally ran into anyone who thought like this until the new (now ex) pastor came to town. A friend of my wifes got married just a few months after he came and attended his "marriage classes". A month or two later, she called up crying because her and her HUSBAND "gots to foolin around" and ended up "going all the way!" -exceptin it was a Sunday and you were forbidden to engage in such behavior on the Lords day. She was overflowing with guilt and shame.
How sad that HE (the pastor) would rend asunder what the Lord has joined at the alter!

Never heard of anybody teaching that.

[Pressing-On]

My old pastor gave us the book "Intended for Pleasure" when we told him we were getting married. :) I still consider him "my pastor" even though we don't get up there that often. I moved two hours South to move in with my wife, so we started going to her church.

I've never read it, but any book that shows respect in an intimate relationship can only be good.

[Pressing-On]

Never heard of anybody teaching that.
Me either.

[Coonskinner]

Me either.


It would be erroneous in the extreme to try to characterize that as a tenet of conservatism.

[The Mrs]

I have pretty extensive and deep roots among conservative Apostolics, and while that could have been the case 50 years ago, I think that particular erroneous concept is extremely rare today.

You ABSOLUTELY will not hear Nate Wilson teaching that.

I'm not too sure it's extremely rare...

I attended a fairly conservative church, and the marriage classes for the women almost always encouraged the women to ummm...be 'romantic'.

In fact, they even encouraged a certain number of times a week we should...uummm...

you get the picture. :blush

If it weren't a problem, I doubt they would have to teach this. :noidea

[Pressing-On]

It would be erroneous in the extreme to try to characterize that as a tenet of conservatism.

Right. I would have to question the integrity of the teacher. They would have to have some pent up issues, I would think.

[Pressing-On]

I'm not too sure it's extremely rare...

I attended a fairly conservative church, and the marriage classes for the women almost always encouraged the women to ummm...be 'romantic'.

In fact, they even encouraged a certain number of times a week we should...uummm...

you get the picture. :blush

If it weren't a problem, I doubt they would have to teach this. :noidea
I think he was talking about the extent the pastor was going on Randy's thread.

[The Mrs]

I think he was talking about the extent the pastor was going on Randy's thread.

So was I. :D

[Coonskinner]

I mean it is rare for preachers to teach against free expression of intimacy in marriage.

[Pressing-On]

I mean it is rare for preachers to teach against free expression of intimacy in marriage.
That's what I was reading from you, CS. I agree.

[Nahum]

I mean it is rare for preachers to teach against free expression of intimacy in marriage.

That would be almost as self-defeating as preaching against tithing!!!!!!

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

[The Mrs]

I mean it is rare for preachers to teach against free expression of intimacy in marriage.

Ah...I see...I was looking at the other side of it. People who still hold to that line of thinking.

[RandyWayne]

Never heard of anybody teaching that.

Right. I would have to question the integrity of the teacher. They would have to have some pent up issues, I would think.

This was the first time I ever heard it myself. And to respond to the 2nd quote, yes, he DOES have some issues. I have no idea what they are or what sort of environment he grew up in to hold his particular viewpoints, but obviously something happened to give him a warped view of marriage.

[Pressing-On]

That would be almost as self-defeating as preaching against tithing!!!!!!

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny :toofunny
:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[Apprehended]

Many years ago, I heard a Pastor tell another young man in my presence when the act was discreetly alluded to, "Just suppose Jesus returned right in the middle of you and your wife participating in that act!"

After thinking about that for some time, I started laughing my head off while I thought of the many possible senarios in such an event. :lol

[Coonskinner]

Many years ago, I heard a Pastor tell another young man in my presence when the act was discreetly alluded to, "Just suppose Jesus returned right in the middle of you and your wife participating in that act!"

After thinking about that for some time, I started laughing my head off while I thought of the many possible senarios in such an event. :lol

Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

[Pressing-On]

Many years ago, I heard a Pastor tell another young man in my presence when the act was discreetly alluded to, "Just suppose Jesus returned right in the middle of you and your wife participating in that act!"

After thinking about that for some time, I started laughing my head off while I thought of the many possible senarios in such an event. :lol

Like He isn't seeing what we are doing anyway. :toofunny

[Pressing-On]

I'm not too sure it's extremely rare...

I attended a fairly conservative church, and the marriage classes for the women almost always encouraged the women to ummm...be 'romantic'.

In fact, they even encouraged a certain number of times a week we should...uummm...

you get the picture. :blush

If it weren't a problem, I doubt they would have to teach this. :noidea
The Mrs.,
Now on my end of it. I got in church when I was 26 and now I was supposed to be holy. How was I going to balance that out? And who do you talk to about that? I think that can also be an issue for some woman.

[RandyWayne]

Many years ago, I heard a Pastor tell another young man in my presence when the act was discreetly alluded to, "Just suppose Jesus returned right in the middle of you and your wife participating in that act!"

After thinking about that for some time, I started laughing my head off while I thought of the many possible senarios in such an event. :lol

He would probably say "Well done...."

[Pressing-On]

He would probably say "Well done...."

thou good and faithful......

:toofunny

[RandyWayne]

thou good and faithful......

:toofunny

But NOW.... if you think THIS is fun, enter into the REAL joy of the Lord!

[rgcraig]

Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

LOL! Since God made all the parts!

[rgcraig]

The Mrs.,
Now on my end of it. I got in church when I was 26 and now I was supposed to be holy. How was I going to balance that out? And who do you talk to about that? I think that can also be an issue for some woman.

I can see this being an issue for those that lived another life style, then were saved. I'm sure there's a lot of "trying to figure out" what's right and what's wrong.

And you are right, who do you talk to about that? There needs to be someone in the church you can feel comfortable discussing these issues with.

[Pressing-On]

But NOW.... if you think THIS is fun, enter into the REAL joy of the Lord!

and praise His holy name for He has made everything beautiful in His time!

[Pressing-On]

I can see this being an issue for those that lived another life style, then were saved. I'm sure there's a lot of "trying to figure out" what's right and what's wrong.

And you are right, who do you talk to about that? There needs to be someone in the church you can feel comfortable discussing these issues with.

True. You sure can't talk to your husband. You'd have to share things that are none of his business and like mine, jealous of anyone that I might have known 25 years ago. lol Not good.

So, on my part, I found out what it was like to have someone really love you. I don't believe, many, without the Holy Ghost can actually know what love is.

When you find that out - as I told my son - "If you treat a woman right she will generally do whatever you want." He's like, "Thanks, mom!!!"

Maybe I should have waited to tell him that AFTER he was married.

:toofunny

[rgcraig]

True. You sure can't talk to your husband. You'd have to share things that are none of his business and like mine, jealous of anyone that I might have known 25 years ago. lol Not good.

So, on my part, I found out what it was like to have someone really love you. I don't believe, many, without the Holy Ghost can actually know what love is.

When you find that out - as I told my son - "If you treat a woman right she will generally do whatever you want." He's like, "Thanks, mom!!!"

Maybe I should have waited to tell him that AFTER he was married.

:toofunny
Ya, think? :crazyluv

[Pressing-On]

Ya, think? :crazyluv

Yea, he's too much like his daddy! :crazyluv

[Harmony]

I was a member of a very conservative Pentecostal church. The Pastors wife of the church took it upon herself to teach a series of classes just for the married ladies. Her lessons were basically to have sex with your husband as much as he needed it, even if it was every night/day. We were encouraged to be alawys in the "seducing" mode when it came to our relationship. We were told to never refuse our husbands desire.

I felt a victim of this class. I didn't want to be apart of it. But in that setting if you didn't attend the class you would be questioned and then told it was disrespectful to the pastors wife not to attend. If you decided not to go to the classes after the rebuke, you would be in rebellion.

[Pressing-On]

I was a member of a very conservative Pentecostal church. The Pastors wife of the church took it upon herself to teach a series of classes just for the married ladies. Her lessons were basically to have sex with your husband as much as he needed it, even if it was every night/day. We were encouraged to be alawys in the "seducing" mode when it came to our relationship. We were told to never refuse our husbands desire.

I felt a victim of this class. I didn't want to be apart of it. But in that setting if you didn't attend the class you would be questioned and then told it was disrespectful to the pastors wife not to attend. If you decided not to go to the classes after the rebuke, you would be in rebellion.

That is certainly a hard thing to deal with - being made to feel like the "object" and not "flesh" and certainly not an equal partner.

[Harmony]

That is certainly a hard thing to deal with - being made to feel like the "object" and not "flesh" and certainly not an equal partner.

The setting was awkward. I had been married for about 10 years, and had four children. We were not having problems in that area....LOL. I think if a couple is having problems in that area and needs guidance they can request the help.

These classes took place on Sunday mornings right before the main service...LOL. Kinda hard to get your mind on the sermon when you are digesting your class on sexual behavior...LOL!!

[Pressing-On]

The setting was awkward. I had been married for about 10 years, and had four children. We were not having problems in that area....LOL. I think if a couple is having problems in that area and needs guidance they can request the help.

These classes took place on Sunday mornings right before the main service...LOL. Kinda hard to get your mind on the sermon when you are digesting your class on sexual behavior...LOL!!

Right. We had a ladies meeting and a sermon was played on that subject. We had quite a few widows present. The older generation doesn't go for being that open and I thought it was inappropriate. We should have had the tape passed to married couples that were interested.

One point the speaker made, which was embarrassing in front of the older ladies, although a good point - on lingerie - Men like the challenge of taking off what you have on. I could have died as they were squirming.

I was married and divorced a few years before I even heard of the Holy Ghost, but when I remarried in the church I didn't wear white to respect the older generation. That's just me, though.

[1992]

Many years ago, I heard a Pastor tell another young man in my presence when the act was discreetly alluded to, "Just suppose Jesus returned right in the middle of you and your wife participating in that act!"

After thinking about that for some time, I started laughing my head off while I thought of the many possible senarios in such an event. :lol

Oh how funny! :) My husband and I read a book a couple years ago called Holy S*X (Can I post that word here?) and in it the author (a man) talks about how the act is the highest form of worship, because the marriage relationship is likened to Christ and the Church. The author had lots of scripture to back it up. So, now my husband says "let's worship". :)

[RandyWayne]

....To Barry White of course. "...oh lets get it ONnnn"

[MissBrattified]

Many years ago, I heard a Pastor tell another young man in my presence when the act was discreetly alluded to, "Just suppose Jesus returned right in the middle of you and your wife participating in that act!"

After thinking about that for some time, I started laughing my head off while I thought of the many possible senarios in such an event.

Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!! :toofunny:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[MissBrattified]

Well. Here's my offering for the day: I watched Oprah yesterday because Dr. Oz was on, and I seriously love listening to everything the Ozzie Health Guru has to say. So, he was discussing things that you can do to extend your life; pretty basic stuff:

* Eat healthy foods.
* Meditate (or pray) on a regular basis
* Get a good amount of exercise
* Get 7-8 hours of sleep each night
* Have more sex

So, he stops here and clarifies that the health benefits of sex are greater if you are with a committed partner because of all the hormones that are released, etc. (Sounds good to me) Apparently Americans have sex an average of 58 times per year, (who conducted that survey?), on average once a week. Dr. Oz said that if couples would just double that number to 2-3 times per week, they would live an average of 3 years longer!!!!

And this is the part I laughed at: The good doc turned to the audience and said that the easiest way to accomplish this is for everyone to start sleeping naked. LOL!!!! He said it in such a practical, matter-of-fact tone, that it was just funny.

But there you go: More sex is good for you. :D

[rgcraig]

Well. Here's my offering for the day: I watched Oprah yesterday because Dr. Oz was on, and I seriously love listening to everything the Ozzie Health Guru has to say. So, he was discussing things that you can do to extend your life; pretty basic stuff:

* Eat healthy foods.
* Meditate (or pray) on a regular basis
* Get a good amount of exercise
* Get 7-8 hours of sleep each night
* Have more sex

So, he stops here and clarifies that the health benefits of sex are greater if you are with a committed partner because of all the hormones that are released, etc. (Sounds good to me) Apparently Americans have sex an average of 58 times per year, (who conducted that survey?), on average once a week. Dr. Oz said that if couples would just double that number to 2-3 times per week, they would live an average of 3 years longer!!!!

And this is the part I laughed at: The good doc turned to the audience and said that the easiest way to accomplish this is for everyone to start sleeping naked. LOL!!!! He said it in such a practical, matter-of-fact tone, that it was just funny.

But there you go: More sex is good for you. :D The endorphins help you feel better, make you less depressed, less stressed, even proven to help the little aches and pains more tolerable!

They actually say the old excuse of "I have a headache" is now a reason to have sex because it can alleviate a headache!

[Pressing-On]

The endorphins help you feel better, make you less depressed, less stressed, even proven can help the little aches and pains more tolerable!

They actually say the old excuse of "I have a headache" is now a reason to have sex because it can alleviate a headache!

Not kidding this exercise program makes a big difference. It's awesome.

http://i6.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c1/53/23_7.JPG

[MissBrattified]

Not kidding this exercise program makes a big difference. It's awesome.

http://i6.ebayimg.com/03/c/00/c1/53/23_7.JPG

"this exercise program?"

:toofunny

Is there something in that book that relates to this thread? :D

:TulsaTime:

[Apprehended]

Sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Win-win! Right!

:lol :lol :lol

[Pressing-On]

"this exercise program?"

:toofunny

Is there something in that book that relates to this thread? :D

:TulsaTime:

Yes, it elevates your sexual level.

[Sherri]

This thread has definitely degenerated. What was the original subject matter anyway?

[MissBrattified]

This thread has definitely degenerated. What was the original subject matter anyway?

A poorly done brochure.

[rgcraig]

"this exercise program?"

:toofunny

Is there something in that book that relates to this thread? :D

:TulsaTime:

I think exercise releases endorphins too - she's confused on how we are talking about those endorphins being released.

[Pressing-On]

I think exercise releases endorphins too - she's confused on how we are talking about those endorphins being released.

I'm confused? Yes, I'm not!

It's still an awesome exercise program - so there! lol

[RandyWayne]

This thread has definitely degenerated. What was the original subject matter anyway?

And....

Wanting to know exactly what is being taught at this seminar.

[Truly Blessed]

This term kinda took me by surprise as well. Just what is a 'World Class Marriage'???

First thoughts were it was only for the mucky-mucks. Low-lifes need not apply. :stirpot I found this definition online;

The Definition of a World Class Marriage

A World Class Marriage is a dynamic and special relationship
filled with love, caring and trust, gounded in the knowledge that
both partners bring to that relationship a commitment to ways of
living and loving that nurture the growth, happiness and satisfaction of
both.
--by Patty Howell & Ralph Jones

www.worldclassmarriages.com

[impactleader]

If it's anything like the three or four marriage retreats I've gone to. The topics likely to be covered will be How to get along, trust, respect, how to love, how to take care of each other, but the topic of sexual intimacy most likely won't even be touched, and if so only briefly.
While I'm on the subject of marriage. I have a questian for all of you. When you went to get married did your pastor councel with you and your spouse other than to set up your wedding date. If so tell us a little about it.

[ClaytonMyers]

Right. We had a ladies meeting and a sermon was played on that subject. We had quite a few widows present. The older generation doesn't go for being that open and I thought it was inappropriate. We should have had the tape passed to married couples that were interested.

One point the speaker made, which was embarrassing in front of the older ladies, although a good point - on lingerie - Men like the challenge of taking off what you have on. I could have died as they were squirming.

I was married and divorced a few years before I even heard of the Holy Ghost, but when I remarried in the church I didn't wear white to respect the older generation. That's just me, though.

i really dont believe in Holy Ghost and other such wrong thoughts. Even I got divorced last year but It was mainly due to our own lack of understanding. What the holy ghost has to do with it:smack

[houston]

i really dont believe in Holy Ghost and other such wrong thoughts. Even I got divorced last year but It was mainly due to our own lack of understanding. What the holy ghost has to do with it:smack

What?

[ClaytonMyers]

Right. We had a ladies meeting and a sermon was played on that subject. We had quite a few widows present. The older generation doesn't go for being that open and I thought it was inappropriate. We should have had the tape passed to married couples that were interested.

One point the speaker made, which was embarrassing in front of the older ladies, although a good point - on discount lingerie (http://www.robustbuy.com/womens-clothes-lingerie-sets-c-1083_1085_1088.html) - Men like the challenge of taking off what you have on. I could have died as they were squirming.

I was married and divorced a few years before I even heard of the Holy Ghost, but when I remarried in the church I didn't wear white to respect the older generation. That's just me, though.

i really dont believe in Holy Ghost and other such wrong thoughts. Even I got divorced last year but It was mainly due to our own lack of understanding. What the holy ghost has to do with it:smack
Anybody out there believing in holy Ghost?

[houston]

What?

[bbyrd009]

What?:lol
Personally, yes; I believe that God has a Spirit that is a part of Him, that goes out from Him as a result of Dabhar, and may be considered distinct from God in certain respects. A useful analogy would be your spirit, say, as a parent, maybe, that can accomplish things even though you may be completely ignorant of the specific situation in which your spirit came up (among your kids, say).

[jplowman]

I am so sick of people judging other organizations cause they went and did there own thing for one it is not christian to be syntactical of other people. You will never agree with everything that someone else does. let them do there own thing. I am not with any organization never have been. I don't have anything against any of them. But I have seen it so many times that if someone leaves and does there own thing they get trampled on and judged. We need to just worry about us and quit focusing on other people and what they do and judging other organizations. cause of the decisions they make and the thing of it is the stuff that is being brought up is childish stuff that people need to grow up. I am sorry the deal with saying the person on the flyer has short sleeves is ridiculous if you have time to be critical of that then you have time to go witness to someone.

[soopy]

I am so sick of...Well your totally ruining it for all the Christians interested in the Dom/Sub thing...
...then you have time to go witness to someone.Ah; witness as a verb, hmm. Nope.

[soopy]

You mean like what the JW's do, right? Urg. "Let's go turn some people off of Christ."