Lee Stoneking on TV

[Arphaxad]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
This was at the "singles" conference in Visalia, Ca Fri and Sat.

On another note there wasn't as many people there as before, other times the pews were packed and the folding chairs in the aisles were full too, this year the aisle seats were empty and there was lots of space in the pews. I wonder if some of the Fresno pullouts didn't allow thier people to go, oh well, thier loss cause it was a great Holy Ghost time. One of the little kid's from my church recieved the Holy Ghost in the kid's service, and we had a message in tongues in the main svc Sat nite.

Gotta get ready for church now, before I lag too much. Bro Garza is ministering here tonite.


ARPH :doggyrun

[LaGirl]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
This was at the "singles" conference in Visalia, Ca Fri and Sat.

On another note there wasn't as many people there as before, other times the pews were packed and the folding chairs in the aisles were full too, this year the aisle seats were empty and there was lots of space in the pews. I wonder if some of the Fresno pullouts didn't allow thier people to go, oh well, thier loss cause it was a great Holy Ghost time. One of the little kid's from my church recieved the Holy Ghost in the kid's service, and we had a message in tongues in the main svc Sat nite.

Gotta get ready for church now, before I lag too much. Bro Garza is ministering here tonite.


ARPH :doggyrun


bro stoneking told me about this. The day after he left the reporter came to visit Brother Khalid because he wanted to interview LS. Brother Khalid said LS had gone, but showed him a video of him giving his testimony at Because of the Times. Brother Khalid had to leave the room for a few minutes, and when he came back, tears were rolling down the man's cheeks. He told Brother Khalid that he had come to the meeting with the pastor of the church they were renting from, and had only been intending to stay for about ten minutes. He said he could feel a powerful presence in the place, and when the pastor left after his comments to the crowd, the reporter said he was going to stay. He remained for the entire meeting and videoed his message. He evidently sent it to Japan where it was broadcast. He mentioned in the broadcast that Pakistan was known for terrorism, but that meetings like ours were also going on that were very powerful in the Spirit. He said he felt LS was like an apostle and spoke with such authority. I think it is GREAT!!!!

[LaGirl]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
This was at the "singles" conference in Visalia, Ca Fri and Sat.

On another note there wasn't as many people there as before, other times the pews were packed and the folding chairs in the aisles were full too, this year the aisle seats were empty and there was lots of space in the pews. I wonder if some of the Fresno pullouts didn't allow thier people to go, oh well, thier loss cause it was a great Holy Ghost time. One of the little kid's from my church recieved the Holy Ghost in the kid's service, and we had a message in tongues in the main svc Sat nite.

Gotta get ready for church now, before I lag too much. Bro Garza is ministering here tonite.


ARPH :doggyrun

AMEN! :happydance

[Hoovie]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
This was at the "singles" conference in Visalia, Ca Fri and Sat.

On another note there wasn't as many people there as before, other times the pews were packed and the folding chairs in the aisles were full too, this year the aisle seats were empty and there was lots of space in the pews. I wonder if some of the Fresno pullouts didn't allow thier people to go, oh well, thier loss cause it was a great Holy Ghost time. One of the little kid's from my church recieved the Holy Ghost in the kid's service, and we had a message in tongues in the main svc Sat nite.

Gotta get ready for church now, before I lag too much. Bro Garza is ministering here tonite.


ARPH :doggyrun


What is bro Garza's first name?

[StMark]

i'm Going To Call Brother Haney First Thing In The Morning!!!!

[AmazingGrace]

i'm Going To Call Brother Haney First Thing In The Morning!!!!

Oh really??? why is that???? If its cuz stoneking is on tv well Lord have mercy... I think someones church is on the internet... isnt that the same thing??????????? LOL

[Cindy]

i'm Going To Call Brother Haney First Thing In The Morning!!!!

Would you please leave that poor man alone, he has enough problems..........:TulsaTime::tvhappy:toofunny

[George]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
This was at the "singles" conference in Visalia, Ca Fri and Sat.

On another note there wasn't as many people there as before, other times the pews were packed and the folding chairs in the aisles were full too, this year the aisle seats were empty and there was lots of space in the pews. I wonder if some of the Fresno pullouts didn't allow thier people to go, oh well, thier loss cause it was a great Holy Ghost time. One of the little kid's from my church recieved the Holy Ghost in the kid's service, and we had a message in tongues in the main svc Sat nite.

Gotta get ready for church now, before I lag too much. Bro Garza is ministering here tonite.


ARPH :doggyrun

I heard from an out-of-state guest minister that the place was packed. with the exception of a few aisle chairs. Part of the reason for more space is how many people are involved in the kids crusade. The children never come in to the sanctuary so it allows more space for adults. They had about 150 kids plus staff. 20 kids received the Holy Ghost. My cousin has gone to that conference for years and said it is always great and he has never seen anyone from Fresno there.

Stoneking's DVD of his testimony was given to a television station and they decided to air it. He didn't even know it had been aired until someone told him. Are you trying to make something out of that? I think it was orchestrated by God to get his miraculous testimony to thousands of people.

Your post seems like a back-hand slap. A bunch of negative talk and then say it was great. If it was such a "great Holy Ghost time," just tell us that and don't stir the pot.

[StMark]

Oh really??? why is that???? If its cuz stoneking is on tv well Lord have mercy... I think someones church is on the internet... isnt that the same thing??????????? LOL



Well i wished my church was not doing live webcast but nothing I can do about that ,however,let me correct on one other thing,The internet is not the same as TV and you know it

[AmazingGrace]

Well i wished my church was not doing live webcast but nothing I can do about that ,however,let me correct on one other thing,The internet is not the same as TV and you know it

ROFL ... Nope its not... its a lot worse! I am very well aware of that ;)

[StMark]

I heard from an out-of-state guest minister that the place was packed. with the exception of a few aisle chairs. Part of the reason for more space is how many people are involved in the kids crusade. The children never come in to the sanctuary so it allows more space for adults. They had about 150 kids plus staff. 20 kids received the Holy Ghost. My cousin has gone to that conference for years and said it is always great and he has never seen anyone from Fresno there.

Stoneking's DVD of his testimony was given to a television station and they decided to air it. He didn't even know it had been aired until someone told him. Are you trying to make something out of that? I think it was orchestrated by God to get his miraculous testimony to thousands of people.

Your post seems like a back-hand slap. A bunch of negative talk and then say it was great. If it was such a "great Holy Ghost time," just tell us that and don't stir the pot.



He preached about going on TV at Landmark. He's been making some pretty strong statements against the new organization( or is it an organization?? :toofunny) w/o coming out and saying "WPF"

[George]

He preached about going on TV at Landmark. He's been making some pretty strong statements against the new organization( or is it an organization?? :toofunny) w/o coming out and saying "WPF"

Good. May as well let everyone know where you stand. I like honest people.

[KarenJo]

Well i wished my church was not doing live webcast but nothing I can do about that ,however,let me correct on one other thing,The internet is not the same as TV and you know it


Well I know a lady who is 76 and lives in Southern CA and hasn't been able to travel the 80 miles to get to church and instead of watching her own chuch live on the web she makes her daughter turn on Merced cause she loves to watch and hear that young man who leads worship...so for her I am VERY GLAD you all are doing your thing....

[Praxeas]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
This was at the "singles" conference in Visalia, Ca Fri and Sat.

On another note there wasn't as many people there as before, other times the pews were packed and the folding chairs in the aisles were full too, this year the aisle seats were empty and there was lots of space in the pews. I wonder if some of the Fresno pullouts didn't allow thier people to go, oh well, thier loss cause it was a great Holy Ghost time. One of the little kid's from my church recieved the Holy Ghost in the kid's service, and we had a message in tongues in the main svc Sat nite.

Gotta get ready for church now, before I lag too much. Bro Garza is ministering here tonite.


ARPH :doggyrun
Oh here it is.....why is it stuck here?

[Praxeas]

I heard from an out-of-state guest minister that the place was packed. with the exception of a few aisle chairs. Part of the reason for more space is how many people are involved in the kids crusade. The children never come in to the sanctuary so it allows more space for adults. They had about 150 kids plus staff. 20 kids received the Holy Ghost. My cousin has gone to that conference for years and said it is always great and he has never seen anyone from Fresno there.

Stoneking's DVD of his testimony was given to a television station and they decided to air it. He didn't even know it had been aired until someone told him. Are you trying to make something out of that? I think it was orchestrated by God to get his miraculous testimony to thousands of people.

Your post seems like a back-hand slap. A bunch of negative talk and then say it was great. If it was such a "great Holy Ghost time," just tell us that and don't stir the pot.
I've been here and even with the kids in the other room the sanctuary is usually packed elbow to elbow

[Praxeas]

I heard from an out-of-state guest minister that the place was packed. with the exception of a few aisle chairs. Part of the reason for more space is how many people are involved in the kids crusade. The children never come in to the sanctuary so it allows more space for adults. They had about 150 kids plus staff. 20 kids received the Holy Ghost. My cousin has gone to that conference for years and said it is always great and he has never seen anyone from Fresno there.

Stoneking's DVD of his testimony was given to a television station and they decided to air it. He didn't even know it had been aired until someone told him. Are you trying to make something out of that? I think it was orchestrated by God to get his miraculous testimony to thousands of people.

Your post seems like a back-hand slap. A bunch of negative talk and then say it was great. If it was such a "great Holy Ghost time," just tell us that and don't stir the pot.
If you don't want a forum where the pot gets stirred then find another forum "George". His post seems just fine and not intended as a slap at all.

[LaGirl]

i'm Going To Call Brother Haney First Thing In The Morning!!!!

i would be willing to bet you bro haney already knows about it. ls was with them a few weeks ago :-)

[LaVonne]

i'm Going To Call Brother Haney First Thing In The Morning!!!!
Yeah, but will he take your call? LOL

Seriously, I'm sure Bro. Haney knows all about it.

[LaVonne]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
This was at the "singles" conference in Visalia, Ca Fri and Sat.

On another note there wasn't as many people there as before, other times the pews were packed and the folding chairs in the aisles were full too, this year the aisle seats were empty and there was lots of space in the pews. I wonder if some of the Fresno pullouts didn't allow thier people to go, oh well, thier loss cause it was a great Holy Ghost time. One of the little kid's from my church recieved the Holy Ghost in the kid's service, and we had a message in tongues in the main svc Sat nite.

Gotta get ready for church now, before I lag too much. Bro Garza is ministering here tonite.


ARPH :doggyrun
No surprises here...I've heard about this first person.

[LaVonne]

ROFL ... Nope its not... its a lot worse! I am very well aware of that ;)
Hahahha...my thoughts EXACTLY!!!

Didn't you know that Mark is so much more holier than you, AG, because he doesn't watch TV.:toofunny

[AmazingGrace]

Hahahha...my thoughts EXACTLY!!!

Didn't you know that Mark is so much more holier than you, AG, because he doesn't watch TV.:toofunny

Yea I forgot that lil tidbit there for a moment! I guess its the meds!!! I will be more careful next time.... LOL

[LaVonne]

Yea I forgot that lil tidbit there for a moment! I guess its the meds!!! I will be more careful next time.... LOL
hahahaha

[Pressing-On]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
ARPH :doggyrun
He has said that about numerous issues and he is right. One was the music. He said, "If the Holy Ghost is moving and ministering during a particular song - don't change it - sing it for 45 minutes if you have to."

I hate when musicians pump the music faster when they see people responding like that is going to help. I've seen people lose their place/concentration/thoughts, during prayer, over that.

[dizzyde]

"What I'm saying next may be controversial, but your pastor can handle it after I 'm gone" he then proceeded to tell how some one broadcast one of his conferences where he was was talking about his death experience (on New Zealand TV) and when he went there was no small stir, his conference ther was packed, and he was interviewed on a TBN live talk radio show. He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us.
This was at the "singles" conference in Visalia, Ca Fri and Sat.

On another note there wasn't as many people there as before, other times the pews were packed and the folding chairs in the aisles were full too, this year the aisle seats were empty and there was lots of space in the pews. I wonder if some of the Fresno pullouts didn't allow thier people to go, oh well, thier loss cause it was a great Holy Ghost time. One of the little kid's from my church recieved the Holy Ghost in the kid's service, and we had a message in tongues in the main svc Sat nite.

Gotta get ready for church now, before I lag too much. Bro Garza is ministering here tonite.


ARPH :doggyrun


I'm totally going off topic and commenting on the truly funny part of this post. Notice the "" around singles.

I don't know when this conference was really a "singles" conference, but in my opinion, it hasn't been a "singles" conference in many, many years. Just their yearly church conference.

Carry on!

[Arphaxad]

I heard from an out-of-state guest minister that the place was packed. with the exception of a few aisle chairs. Part of the reason for more space is how many people are involved in the kids crusade. The children never come in to the sanctuary so it allows more space for adults. They had about 150 kids plus staff. 20 kids received the Holy Ghost. My cousin has gone to that conference for years and said it is always great and he has never seen anyone from Fresno there.

Stoneking's DVD of his testimony was given to a television station and they decided to air it. He didn't even know it had been aired until someone told him. Are you trying to make something out of that? I think it was orchestrated by God to get his miraculous testimony to thousands of people.

Your post seems like a back-hand slap. A bunch of negative talk and then say it was great. If it was such a "great Holy Ghost time," just tell us that and don't stir the pot.


There was not one negative thing in my post, at least I didn't intend it that way. I been going thtere for years and it was not as packed as it was before. And I dont give a hoot about who's on TV, in fact LS is one of my favorite preachers. You probably see negative in every little post, Mr. analyzer. Well, maybe my Fresno comment was a bit off, so I apologize about that.


ARPH :doggyrun

[Praxeas]

I'm totally going off topic and commenting on the truly funny part of this post. Notice the "" around singles.

I don't know when this conference was really a "singles" conference, but in my opinion, it hasn't been a "singles" conference in many, many years. Just their yearly church conference.

Carry on!
This is true...even the one in SD is kinda like that, though they have a lot of stuff for singles specifically most of the church attendees during LS preaching are not singles there for the singles conf....they are all there to hear LS

[StMark]

Well I know a lady who is 76 and lives in Southern CA and hasn't been able to travel the 80 miles to get to church and instead of watching her own chuch live on the web she makes her daughter turn on Merced cause she loves to watch and hear that young man who leads worship...so for her I am VERY GLAD you all are doing your thing....


like you said on the thread about mickey, it's not easy always being at your best and being Judged when you're not

[StMark]

i would be willing to bet you bro haney already knows about it. ls was with them a few weeks ago :-)


Bro Haney was just crushed when i called him and told him this morning:happydance
Pray his strenght in the Lord :toofunny

[LaGirl]

Bro Haney was just crushed when i called him and told him this morning:happydance
Pray his strenght in the Lord :toofunny

:toofunny
i bet he was!!!! i will pray for him tonight!!!! :toofunny:toofunny

[StMark]

This is true...even the one in SD is kinda like that, though they have a lot of stuff for singles specifically most of the church attendees during LS preaching are not singles there for the singles conf....they are all there to hear LS

SD hasn't been a singles conf. for years and they haven't called their conference by that title for years. they changed it to "winter camp meeting"

[Cindy]

Bro Haney was just crushed when i called him and told him this morning:happydance
Pray his strenght in the Lord :toofunny

You are just so cute............ but silly............:D:crazyluv

[Arphaxad]

What is bro Garza's first name?

Gilbert Garza, from Modesto


ARPH :doggyrun

[bkstokes]

Come on Mark. Just like any Medium TV can be used to reach the lost.

[Harmony]

Well i wished my church was not doing live webcast but nothing I can do about that ,however,let me correct on one other thing,The internet is not the same as TV and you know it

The internet is WORSE!!!!!!

[LaVonne]

The internet is WORSE!!!!!!
I feel the same way and we still do not have TV.

[Trouvere]

I love the internet yet don't have a tv.

[LaGirl]

i have both! :happydance

[StMark]

i have both! :happydance



Trouvere would you handle this one please

[LaGirl]

Trouvere would you handle this one please

:stirpot

[George]

i have both! :happydance

My kind of girl. LOL :happydance

[Rev Dooley]

If this is true, then I have lost much respect for Lee Stoneking since he preached against tv. Just like another esteemed elder who can't seem to get enough exposure from TBN and the Bakker Show.

[LaGirl]

If this is true, then I have lost much respect for Lee Stoneking since he preached against tv. Just like another esteemed elder who can't seem to get enough exposure from TBN and the Bakker Show.

you lost respect for him because someone aired some of his testimony?????????????????? am i missing something????

[Rev Dooley]

... He wasn't bothered at all about the TV issue, in fact he also said that were so restrained by political issues that we're not letting the Holy Ghost lead us...Okay, let me restate this; if this is true, then I have lost much respect for him if he is condoning tv.
You are correct that he didn't air it personally, but if his statement is in context and is in fact true, then it would lend credence to the assumption that he is pro-tv at which point I would no longer listen to his preaching.
This stands true for other elders who have changed their stances on holiness issues. I will not allow their preaching in my home.

[mizpeh]

You ought to think this through.

Maybe Stoneking does not watch TV but does not mind his testimony of the grace and power of God to be broadcast on TV.

And maybe if more things like this were aired on TV, those against TV may have to rethink calling it the devil's box.

[LaGirl]

You ought to think this through.

Maybe Stoneking does not watch TV but does not mind his testimony of the grace and power of God to be broadcast on TV.
And maybe if more of things like this were aired on TV, those against TV may have to rethink calling it the devil's box.

you are 100% right!

[CC1]

Sunday night I watched the Lee Stoneking pep rally at POA. I missed the first few minutes of the service so I don't know what it was billed as.

He did not preach. It was him telling stories of healings, testimonies, etc that he has been a part of in his travels recently.

It was interesting and certainly got the crowd pumped up but I challenge any of the LS Fan Club to tell me this is one of his "masterpieces" that I keep hearing about but can't seem to find. Some day.......

[RandyWayne]

Lee Stoneking is one of those names I always hear mentioned but really have no idea who he is.

[CC1]

Lee Stoneking is one of those names I always hear mentioned but really have no idea who he is.

Famous UPC evangelist. Speaks at many major UPC conferences. Usually is an annual speaker at BOTT and the big conference in Stockton.

He is an older guy, single, who almost died a year or two ago while on a trip to Australia. He had a heart attack or something in the airport and when he fell like a rock hit his head. Had a long slow recovery but once again is preaching many meetings worldwide.

LaGirl on AFF is president of his fan club. I don't know how much it cost to join but I think she sends you a full color 8 x 10 pic and a refrigerator magnet with his face on it.:gaga

[LaGirl]

Sunday night I watched the Lee Stoneking pep rally at POA. I missed the first few minutes of the service so I don't know what it was billed as.

He did not preach. It was him telling stories of healings, testimonies, etc that he has been a part of in his travels recently.

It was interesting and certainly got the crowd pumped up but I challenge any of the LS Fan Club to tell me this is one of his "masterpieces" that I keep hearing about but can't seem to find. Some day.......

i watched him too. was suppose to be there, but cant travel with this baby on my sciatic nerve. sunday night was good. i had already heard those stories...but i enjoyed it.

[LaGirl]

Famous UPC evangelist. Speaks at many major UPC conferences. Usually is an annual speaker at BOTT and the big conference in Stockton.

He is an older guy, single, who almost died a year or two ago while on a trip to Australia. He had a heart attack or something in the airport and when he fell like a rock hit his head. Had a long slow recovery but once again is preaching many meetings worldwide.

LaGirl on AFF is president of his fan club. I don't know how much it cost to join but I think she sends you a full color 8 x 10 pic and a refrigerator magnet with his face on it.:gaga

i am not ashamed to be a fan or a friend of LS!!!!:friend

[Rev Dooley]

You ought to think this through.

Maybe Stoneking does not watch TV but does not mind his testimony of the grace and power of God to be broadcast on TV.

And maybe if more things like this were aired on TV, those against TV may have to rethink calling it the devil's box.I have no problem with unsolicited airing of things. The problems lies with the statement that is posted that seems to indicate his approval of tv.
Having heard him many times through the years and thoroughly enjoying his ministry, I would have a difficult time with a change in his stance against tv since he has been fairly vocal about it.
The same as the other formerly esteemed elder. His vocal opposition was clear, at least at the given time. Now, those waters are very muddied indeed, as well as his reputation in the eyes of many conservatives.
I have personally heard LS many times state his opposition to tv and that he has not owned one since coming into truth. For this to change, it would be extremely dissappointing to me since he is a fine man and had always been a great speaker/teacher.

Regarding your second statement, for it to no longer be considered "the devil's box" (your statement, not mine), it would have to be 100% apostolic. I seriously doubt that would ever happen, at least in this millenium.

[CC1]

i am not ashamed to be a fan or a friend of LS!!!!:friend

I know! That is why I tease you.:bliss

[LaGirl]

I know! That is why I tease you.:bliss

i know deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep down you really enjoy his preaching. :party

[CC1]

i know deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep down you really enjoy his preaching. :party

I actually saw him preach in person once at BOTT. All of the other sermons have been webcasts.

[LaVonne]

I have no problem with unsolicited airing of things. The problems lies with the statement that is posted that seems to indicate his approval of tv.
Having heard him many times through the years and thoroughly enjoying his ministry, I would have a difficult time with a change in his stance against tv since he has been fairly vocal about it.
The same as the other formerly esteemed elder. His vocal opposition was clear, at least at the given time. Now, those waters are very muddied indeed, as well as his reputation in the eyes of many conservatives.
I have personally heard LS many times state his opposition to tv and that he has not owned one since coming into truth. For this to change, it would be extremely dissappointing to me since he is a fine man and had always been a great speaker/teacher.

Regarding your second statement, for it to no longer be considered "the devil's box" (your statement, not mine), it would have to be 100% apostolic. I seriously doubt that would ever happen, at least in this millenium.
You are right...he does not own a tv, nor does he watch it. (That is, unless he's at LaGirl's house! LOL) However, he does not criticize those who do.

[LaGirl]

You are right...he does not own a tv, nor does he watch it. (That is, unless he's at LaGirl's house! LOL) However, he does not criticize those who do.

ARENT YOU BEING FUNNY THIS MORNING!!!!!!!!! :kickcan

[LaVonne]

ARENT YOU BEING FUNNY THIS MORNING!!!!!!!!! :kickcan
I thought so! :gaga

You know I am just teasing you...

[TRFrance]

Okay, let me restate this; if this is true, then I have lost much respect for him if he is condoning tv.
You are correct that he didn't air it personally, but if his statement is in context and is in fact true, then it would lend credence to the assumption that he is pro-tv at which point I would no longer listen to his preaching.
This stands true for other elders who have changed their stances on holiness issues. I will not allow their preaching in my home.

Some questions for you sir, if you don't mind...

1...Is LS any less a man of God now that/if he is approving of tv?

2...Are his messages any less anointed if he believes now tv is not a sin?

3...Is TV a holiness issue to you? Are we to assume you believe if a person has a tv they are not holy?

I have no problem with unsolicited airing of things. The problems lies with the statement that is posted that seems to indicate his approval of tv.
Having heard him many times through the years and thoroughly enjoying his ministry, I would have a difficult time with a change in his stance against tv since he has been fairly vocal about it.
The same as the other formerly esteemed elder. His vocal opposition was clear, at least at the given time. Now, those waters are very muddied indeed, as well as his reputation in the eyes of many conservatives.
I have personally heard LS many times state his opposition to tv and that he has not owned one since coming into truth. For this to change, it would be extremely dissappointing to me since he is a fine man and had always been a great speaker/teacher.

Regarding your second statement, for it to no longer be considered "the devil's box" (your statement, not mine), it would have to be 100% apostolic. I seriously doubt that would ever happen, at least in this millenium.

1...What is wrong with a man changing his mind on something that's a non-salvational issue? Or is it that you think tv IS a salvational issue?

2...If tv is the devils box, can it not be said just as passionately that a computer is also the devil's box? There's all kinds of filth that's easier to access via your computer, and harder to filter out, than via a tv set.

[Theophil]

Some questions for you sir, if you don't mind...

1...Is LS any less a man of God now that/if he is approving of tv?

2...Are his messages any less anointed if he believes now tv is not a sin?

3...Is TV a holiness issue to you? Are we to assume you believe if a person has a tv they are not holy?



1...What is wrong with a man changing his mind on something that's a non-salvational issue? Or is it that you think tv IS a salvational issue?

2...If tv is the devils box, can it not be said just as passionately that a computer is also the devil's box? There's all kinds of filth that's easier to access via your computer, and harder to filter out, than via a tv set.

Good stuff! :bliss

[Rev Dooley]

Some questions for you sir, if you don't mind...

1...Is LS any less a man of God now that/if he is approving of tv?

2...Are his messages any less anointed if he believes now tv is not a sin?

3...Is TV a holiness issue to you? Are we to assume you believe if a person has a tv they are not holy?



1...What is wrong with a man changing his mind on something that's a non-salvational issue? Or is it that you think tv IS a salvational issue?

2...If tv is the devils box, can it not be said just as passionately that a computer is also the devil's box? There's all kinds of filth that's easier to access via your computer, and harder to filter out, than via a tv set.Preferences change, but convictions remain.
My opinions on LS will remain mine since it would appear that some want to argue the issue.
Yes, tv is a holiness issue to me. I don't own one for the reason that it is not possible to control something that has only an output. TV is merely a receiver of whatever filth is coming down the pike. This includes commercials which are becoming more raunchy with time.
I was recently on a hospital trip with an inmate. I have to sit in the room at all times. The tv was on and it was kinda hard to miss the flesh exposed in a bra commercial. I could have spent my day without seeing that.
I was somewhat shocked since I don't watch the thing. It had been some time since the last time for me to see anything on it.
I find it difficult to believe that anyone can find that it isn't a holiness issue since we are to set no wicked thing before our eyes. To sit in front of tv is to do the opposite of what this scripture proclaims which does indeed involve holiness.
If someone has one are they unholy or less holy than another? Paul said to lay aside every weight. TV may not be inherently sinful, but it most definitely is a weight. If you are constantly exposing yourself to its carnal pleasures, it is going to weigh you down. There truly is no way to keep that from happening.
The Bible says that Lot vexed his soul. This happened because he pitched his tent towards Sodom. He had already parked himself where he could see the goings on. Eventually, he moved right in.
When God sent angels to spare his life, he became as a mocker. The angels literally had to drag him out along with his backslidden wife who dies and his wicked daughters who later slept with their own father. Wonder where they learned that?
I have a wonderful friend who brought the kids to church every sunday, wednsday, and all. The oldest child later was found to have slept around much and became a follower of a perverted rock star.
The parent told the child "We didn't teach you this". But, the child learned it all on that wonderful invention called "tv".
The fruit of tv is carnality. Many children today are backsliding as a direct result IMO of being exposed to so much "alternative" lifestyle options.
Eventually, a child will choose from the input given.
Train up a child...

[TRFrance]

Preferences change, but convictions remain.
My opinions on LS will remain mine since it would appear that some want to argue the issue.
Yes, tv is a holiness issue to me. I don't own one for the reason that it is not possible to control something that has only an output.

Understood.

At the risk of sounding like I'm "arguing the issue", allow me to respond briefly if I may.

I believe that too many of the anti-TV crusaders fail to keep in mind some basic facts here:
There are saints who don't have a TV, but a computer only and (even thought it's an "input/output" device) they still have issues with inappropriate content they choose to view on it.

Meanwhile, there are saints with TVs ("output only")in their house who are still spiritual and maintain a solid walk with God.
I would submit to you that the issue is of the heart, not of the device that one has.

Good day to you, sir.

[Rev Dooley]

Understood.

At the risk of sounding like I'm "arguing the issue", allow me to respond briefly if I may.


I believe that too many of the anti-TV crusaders fail to keep in mind some basic facts here: There are saints who don't have a TV, but a computer only and (even thought it's an "input/output" device) they still have issues with inappropriate content they choose to view on it.


Meanwhile, there are saints with TVs ("output only")in their house who are still spiritual and maintain a solid walk with God.
I would submit to you that the issue is of the heart, not of the device that one has.

Good day to you, sir.I don't feel that you are arguing here, but are sincere in your thoughts. I hope to come across the same towards you.
Regarding computers: your statement of "There are saints who don't have a TV, but a computer only and (even thought it's an "input/output" device) they still have issues with inappropriate content they choose to view on it. " clearly shows that you feel that the internet is more about choice than a tv since you do choose each and every time what you will view. I agree with you on this line of thinking. Broadcast tv on the other hand, has a much smaller level of choice since commercial content cannot be individually chosen which IMO leaves the saint open to influences that could plant seeds of rebellion in the heart of all exposed. One need look no further than the number of good, apostolic families who have tv's and whose children are choosing homosexuality which is heavily promoted there.
I do realize that it is being taught as acceptable in the schools. Just a thought on this: could it be that tv exposure is acting as a reinforcement of unnatural behavior since it is often protrayed as either humorous or "loving" instead of the destructive lifestyle that it truly is?

"Meanwhile, there are saints with TVs ("output only")in their house who are still spiritual and maintain a solid walk with God. "

I would not be so hardeheaded to say that this does not happen occasionally, but, I feel the numbers are much smaller than many may want to consider.
I have known many fine saints who when they got tv's, their prayer lives suffered, their church attendance dropped: especially when the church had special functions.
I am sure that there are exceptions to this, but again I have seen very few.

"I would submit to you that the issue is of the heart, not of the device that one has."

I agree with you and would have you consider this verse:

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Sometimes our heart may be telling us that something is okay while our spirit is telling us otherwise. This is all a part of the war that we all face inside.

My most sincere desire is to see saints overcome in this war, but if the ammunition being stored is from an ungodly source, how can we possibly fight and win?

[LaGirl]

I thought so! :gaga

You know I am just teasing you...

yes i know you are teasing.:bliss
are you packed up yet?

[impactleader]

IT'S ALL BAD! I say it's all bad. Lets get a resouliton to HQ right now to get it all BANNED. TV, internet, radio, cell phone, CD, 8-track (just don't mention my cassets) I=pods, MP3, computers. lets just get rid of it all right now.


In all seriousness. If the org. passed a resoulition that said everyone had to get rid of their internet how many of us would even consider doing it?

[Rev Dooley]

IT'S ALL BAD! I say it's all bad. Lets get a resouliton to HQ right now to get it all BANNED. TV, internet, radio, cell phone, CD, 8-track (just don't mention my cassets) I=pods, MP3, computers. lets just get rid of it all right now.


In all seriousness. If the org. passed a resoulition that said everyone had to get rid of their internet how many of us would even consider doing it?Ahhh, humor to lighten the mood.
Just a little thought to throw in here: cons do not think that all things are bad. As Paul put it, all things are expedient but not all things are profitable.
This can and IMO does apply to basic choices that we make in life. One can choose tv. Is it profitable? That depends on who you ask. The advertisers will say yes since it is their smutty ads that sells things that people want. That same smu is used in magazines as well. I don't buy or read those types either for that same reason. I don't wish to pollute my brain. Heaven knows there is enough ambient pollution out there without me adding to it.

[LaVonne]

yes i know you are teasing.:bliss
are you packed up yet?
Getting there...:kickcan

[LaGirl]

Getting there...:kickcan

you better get busy!

[TRFrance]

Just a little thought to throw in here: cons do not think that all things are bad. As Paul put it, all things are expedient but not all things are profitable.
This can and IMO does apply to basic choices that we make in life. One can choose tv.

Bro, you might not, but there are some cons and ultra-cons who will declare straight up that the TV is evil. Why do you think some call it "devilvision"?

[ChTatum]

Ahhh, humor to lighten the mood.
Just a little thought to throw in here: cons do not think that all things are bad. As Paul put it, all things are expedient but not all things are profitable.
This can and IMO does apply to basic choices that we make in life. One can choose tv. Is it profitable? That depends on who you ask. The advertisers will say yes since it is their smutty ads that sells things that people want. That same smu is used in magazines as well. I don't buy or read those types either for that same reason. I don't wish to pollute my brain. Heaven knows there is enough ambient pollution out there without me adding to it.

I am sure the bolded part is a typo.

Ain't it?

[TRFrance]

I am sure the bolded part is a typo.

Ain't it?

Has to be.

All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient. (1 cor. 10:23)

[Rev Dooley]

I am sure the bolded part is a typo.

Ain't it?Thanks for the correction. No, it isn't a typo. LOL I should have referenced it before posting what I thought it stated.
Again, thanks for the clarification.

[broughtout]

You ought to think this through.

Maybe Stoneking does not watch TV but does not mind his testimony of the grace and power of God to be broadcast on TV.

And maybe if more things like this were aired on TV, those against TV may have to rethink calling it the devil's box.
T.V. has never been worth watching and won't ever be. It will only get worse. It is a tool.....of satan. IMO.

[StillStanding]

T.V. has never been worth watching and won't ever be. It will only get worse. It is a tool.....of satan. IMO.

A TV set is just an inadament object. It's what is coming over the TV that you have a problem with. Are you saying that someone's video testimony of the saving grace of God is a tool of the devil?

Should we use a "tool" like TV to reach the masses with our message? It seems to be working well for the different groups that have political agendas.

[faithfulinlittle777]

hmmmm..i didnt know it was someone in the audience and not stoneking that did the broadcast

[dptexas]

Well i wished my church was not doing live webcast but nothing I can do about that ,however,let me correct on one other thing,The internet is not the same as TV and you know it

no I guess the interenet is not the same as TV.......IT"S WORSE......It had more Pronography and things of the devil on it than the Tv could ever even do........

[StillStanding]

no I guess the interenet is not the same as TV.......IT"S WORSE......It had more Pronography and things of the devil on it than the Tv could ever even do........
Stop trying to make sense of everything! :snapout

[CC1]

A TV set is just an inadament object. It's what is coming over the TV that you have a problem with. Are you saying that someone's video testimony of the saving grace of God is a tool of the devil?

Should we use a "tool" like TV to reach the masses with our message? It seems to be working well for the different groups that have political agendas.

Some people say it is an "inanimate" object also!:tease

BTW - What is an "inadament" object? I am guessing it is an object used in advertising? LOL!!!