AMF/Tulsa: the result of "tradition of men"

[Bro-Larry]

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.

[stmatthew]

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.

Since you named AMF and Tulsa in your thread title, wouldn't it only be right to show the examples of how these 2 groups fit into what you are saying above?

[Sam]

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.

I think that is a pretty good assessment of what has happened in some churches, fellowships, etc.

[Bro-Larry]

Since you named AMF and Tulsa in your thread title, wouldn't it only be right to show the examples of how these 2 groups fit into what you are saying above?

I thought the implication was clear enough. I've learned that a posting here is not as easy as it looks. You have to choose your words very carefully, otherwise there'll be so many side issue posts that you can't address them all. The more you answer the more they replicate.

When Res #4 was passed, somebody's sacred cows got kicked over, so they left the mothership.

[sallyjo76]

I know Churches that are AMF even some that joined up with the Tulsa group and some that are in UPC that have pretty much the same standard.
Will we all agree on every thing?? No, but the Revelation of who Jesus Christ is, is our common factor.

[sallyjo76]

Saying or calling the UPC the Mothership makes it sound like something from Star Wars.
We all go back to the beginning of the Church not the Organization.

[Bro-Larry]

There are many other sacred cows, besides TV. Pants, shorts, jewlery, make-up, ball games, movies, men/women's hair, red dresses, open-toed shoes, and the list goes on and on, ad nauseam. In many individual cases I've seen, these traditions of men are just ignored, however it the case of TV, license holders were forced be a non licence holder, a non TV owner or a liar.

When push finally came to shove, in the form of Res #4, Tulsa resulted, just as AMF resulted from some of the other traditions of men, being taught for doctrine. I am not saying that AMF and TULSA are either good or bad, just that they resulted from traditions of men being taught for doctrine.

[Bro-Larry]

Saying or calling the UPC the Mothership makes it sound like something from Star Wars.
We all go back to the beginning of the Church not the Organization.

See! I didn't coose my words carefully enough. There's one of those side issue posts I was talking about.

SJ, I just used that expression TIC, because I've seen it used on AFF before. I'm not Mothership, AMF or Tulsa.

[Thumper]

So Larry what traditions of men resulted in the formation of the AMF?

[Whole Hearted]

:TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::T ulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS:

[StillStanding]

I know Churches that are AMF even some that joined up with the Tulsa group and some that are in UPC that have pretty much the same standard.
Will we all agree on every thing?? No, but the Revelation of who Jesus Christ is, is our common factor.

But.....that's not good enough!

[Apprehended]

There are many other sacred cows, besides TV. Pants, shorts, jewlery, make-up, ball games, movies, men/women's hair, red dresses, open-toed shoes, and the list goes on and on, ad nauseam. In many individual cases I've seen, these traditions of men are just ignored, however it the case of TV, license holders were forced be a non licence holder, a non TV owner or a liar.

When push finally came to shove, in the form of Res #4, Tulsa resulted, just as AMF resulted from some of the other traditions of men, being taught for doctrine. I am not saying that AMF and TULSA are either good or bad, just that they resulted from traditions of men being taught for doctrine.

You don't know if they are good or bad? From your own scriptures, Jesus did not think very highly of the traditions of men. He seems to have condemned them, from what I can see...especially since he said that it rendered the Word of God to none affect.

I would come down on the side of "bad."

[pastorswife]

But.....that's not good enough!

What is "Good Enough" then?

[StillStanding]

What is "Good Enough" then?
The Oneness revelation alone is not good enough to keep Apostolics together in one accord. The family has been splintered probably beyond repair.

[NW Pastor]

You don't know if they are good or bad? From your own scriptures, Jesus did not think very highly of the traditions of men. He seems to have condemned them, from what I can see...especially since he said that it rendered the Word of God to none affect.

I would come down on the side of "bad."

Many traditions have great usefulness and accomplish the purposes of Christ and the church.

We all have traditions to which we adhere that have value. They are handed down by families, churches, political systems, etc...and have served us very well. Traditions can stablize us and provide a sense of connectedness and accountability to something bigger than ourselves.

So, can we really throw out all traditions? The problem is making our traditions God's. They ceace to derive their purpose from their effectivenss and become fixtures of society, family, or the church long after the reason for existance is past.

Knowing which man-made traditions to alter and when is tricky.

[Apprehended]

Many traditions have great usefulness and accomplish the purposes of Christ and the church.

We all have traditions to which we adhere that have value. They are handed down by families, churches, political systems, etc...and have served us very well. Traditions can stablize us and provide a sense of connectedness and accountability to something bigger than ourselves.

So, can we really throw out all traditions? The problem is making our traditions God's. They ceace to derive their purpose from their effectivenss and become fixtures of society, family, or the church long after the reason for existance is past.

Knowing which man-made traditions to alter and when is tricky.

Amen. I agree.

We have to have structure in our lives and much of that is traditions handed to us.

[NW Pastor]

Amen. I agree.

We have to have structure in our lives and much of that is traditions handed to us.

Right on! Just so long as we don't make our thoughts God's thoughts. It should be vice-versa.

[Bro-Larry]

You don't know if they are good or bad? From your own scriptures, Jesus did not think very highly of the traditions of men. He seems to have condemned them, from what I can see...especially since he said that it rendered the Word of God to none affect.

I would come down on the side of "bad."

You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say I didn't know. I said I wasn't saying good or bad.

I don't want to be banned.

[Bro-Larry]

So Larry what traditions of men resulted in the formation of the AMF?

I could tell you what I remember, but it might be considered bashing.

[NW Pastor]

I could tell you what I remember, but it might be considered bashing.

Don't you know nothin' Larry? Truth telling is bashing!!

[Blaylock]

What I havent been able to understand is that res#4 doesnt allow for anyone to broadcast their services on TV like some have stated (but what would the problem be with that) just advertising commercials letting people know who we are. It doesnt change the stance on having a tv its just an evangelism tool for all of us to use. Why would that make people take their ball and run

[Pastor Keith]

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.


You don't think that helping God out, or adding fences for protections is a good thing?

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.

[Dan'D]

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.


Are there any traditions of man that you agree with or do you think we should throw them all out.

Dan’D

[Whole Hearted]

:TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS::TulsaROCKS:

[freeatlast]

You don't think that helping God out, or adding fences for protections is a good thing?

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.


The "doctrine" of binding and loosing.

My old pastor said if I tell you, you have to wear bib overalls to make it and stand on your head in a corner....well then bless God you gotta do it or be lost.

That's why he's my "old pastor"

Me thinks the intrepretation of binding and loosing is another scripture sorely abused by OP preachers.

[A_PoMo]

Don't you know nothin' Larry? Truth telling is bashing!!

:bliss

[A_PoMo]

Considering this thread I thought this article was interesting. Perhaps we're more like the Catholics than we like to admit.

http://green.yahoo.com/news/nm/20080310/hl_nm/pope_sins_dc.html

[Sister Alvear]

Jesus shocked them all calling a woman a daughter of Abraham...

Wonder what else He would shock us with today?

[commonsense]

Jesus shocked them all calling a woman a daughter of Abraham...

Wonder what else He would shock us with today?

I totally agree.

[commonsense]

You don't think that helping God out, or adding fences for protections is a good thing?

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.

It always amazes me when preachers "add" to the Word and it's accepted.
Pastors can give direction and guidelines, but silly me, I didn't think it was biblibal to add anything else as scripture.****

[Bro-Larry]

Many traditions have great usefulness and accomplish the purposes of Christ and the church.

We all have traditions to which we adhere that have value. They are handed down by families, churches, political systems, etc...and have served us very well. Traditions can stablize us and provide a sense of connectedness and accountability to something bigger than ourselves.

So, can we really throw out all traditions? The problem is making our traditions God's. They ceace to derive their purpose from their effectivenss and become fixtures of society, family, or the church long after the reason for existance is past.

Knowing which man-made traditions to alter and when is tricky.



When Moses put a brass serpent on a pole, it had a very valid purpose. But that purpose ended when they left the wilderness. Later in Hezekiah's day we find them burning incence to it. He destroyed it calling it "Nehusten" just a piece of brass. Brass represents "flesh". When traditions no longer serve their God intended purpose, they become just a work of the flesh.

The message of the brass serpent was pointing to Jesus. In fact everything in the OT and the gospels pointed to Jesus and the work of redemption that He did. Now that the real flesh has been lifted up on a pole, all those types and shadows no longer have validity.

[Bro-Larry]

You don't think that helping God out, or adding fences for protections is a good thing?

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.

Wow! This thread suddenly came back to life. Yes, and that's probably one of the best examples of twisting (spinning) the word into a doctrine of men.

[Bro-Larry]

Considering this thread I thought this article was interesting. Perhaps we're more like the Catholics than we like to admit.

http://green.yahoo.com/news/nm/20080310/hl_nm/pope_sins_dc.html

You think? LOL Yes, I think too.

[Bro-Larry]

Are there any traditions of man that you agree with or do you think we should throw them all out.

Dan’D

People are free to curse themselves if they want to do that. (Gal 3:10)

I believe the grace of God is far more radical than any of us realize. Salvation is by Grace....." through faith; and that (faith) not of ourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works:......".(Eph 2:8)

Romans 11:6 shows us that you can't mix works and grace. Am I saying that all the traditions and things you have kept for all these years account for nothing? Yep, that is exactly what I am saying.

[Bro-Larry]

The "doctrine" of binding and loosing.

My old pastor said if I tell you, you have to wear bib overalls to make it and stand on your head in a corner....well then bless God you gotta do it or be lost.

That's why he's my "old pastor"

Me thinks the intrepretation of binding and loosing is another scripture sorely abused by OP preachers.

I've had the same experience. My "old pastor" said to me that there are people who have sinned against him, and they can't be saved until he releases them.

[Pastor Keith]

When Moses put a brass serpent on a pole, it had a very valid purpose. But that purpose ended when they left the wilderness. Later in Hezekiah's day we find them burning incence to it. He destroyed it calling it "Nehusten" just a piece of brass. Brass represents "flesh". When traditions no longer serve their God intended purpose, they become just a work of the flesh.

The message of the brass serpent was pointing to Jesus. In fact everything in the OT and the gospels pointed to Jesus and the work of redemption that He did. Now that the real flesh has been lifted up on a pole, all those types and shadows no longer have validity.

You must have heard old Mark Hanby's message on this, I have an original version of this message from Idaho Camp Meeting in the 1970's, still relevant today.

[Bro-Larry]

You must have heard old Mark Hanby's message on this, I have an original version of this message from Idaho Camp Meeting in the 1970's, still relevant today.

He preached that sermon everywhere. I've never heard it but I have seen the sermon title.

[CC1]

I've had the same experience. My "old pastor" said to me that there are people who have sinned against him, and they can't be saved until he releases them.


Can you say cult????!!!!! Guys like that ought to be run out of old time Pentecost by wise elders.

[Fiyahstarter]

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.

Please someone give me a condensed definition of this "Binding and Loosing" doctrine ...

[Fiyahstarter]

The "doctrine" of binding and loosing.

My old pastor said if I tell you, you have to wear bib overalls to make it and stand on your head in a corner....well then bless God you gotta do it or be lost.

That's why he's my "old pastor"

Me thinks the intrepretation of binding and loosing is another scripture sorely abused by OP preachers.

Someone PULEEZ help me understand ...

What would make a pastor think he could make up rules and hold my salvation hostage to those rules?

Are there any pastors out there willing to field this question???

[bishoph]

Someone PULEEZ help me understand ...

What would make a pastor think he could make up rules and hold my salvation hostage to those rules?

Are there any pastors out there willing to field this question???

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

[freeatlast]

Someone PULEEZ help me understand ...

What would make a pastor think he could make up rules and hold my salvation hostage to those rules?

Are there any pastors out there willing to field this question???

Heresy....that would be the short answer.

[freeatlast]

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO


WoW..this twice this month I have agreed with you.

You might want to check yourself....you may be going charismatic :friend

[bishoph]

WoW..this twice this month I have agreed with you.

You might want to check yourself....you may be going charismatic :friend

Tell me it aint so! :toofunny

[Pastor Keith]

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

Very good post!

[Pastor Keith]

This reminds me of the lady that used to cut the ends of the ham off before cooking it, when asked why she did it, she said, well that's how my mother used to do it, not knowing that her mother did it because the pan was to short.

Somethings that are done in Pentecost out of tradition with the original intent and purpose long lost.

[bishoph]

I think we often forget that the Bible we teach/preach from, while it applies to all peoples and cultures, was not written from a western perspective. This changes how we view certain things when we begin to understand to whom it was written and the mindset of that culture. It is then that we can uncover the real principles of scripture instead of building monuments of hay, straw, and stubble.

[Fiyahstarter]

I can't speak for the pastors you are questioning, as I have never attempted to hold anyones salvation hostage.

I do, however, believe that as a pastor I have the permission to teach certain things "by permission" as did the Apostle Paul. It is important when doing so, that I, as did the Apostle, identify that this is something that is not a Biblical mandate, and as such has no salvational recompense. JMHO

Thanks... I can get onboard with your answer.

But are there pastors that have heard from God to place mandates on his/her flock?

[CC1]

I think we often forget that the Bible we teach/preach from, while it applies to all peoples and cultures, was not written from a western perspective. This changes how we view certain things when we begin to understand to whom it was written and the mindset of that culture. It is then that we can uncover the real principles of scripture instead of building monuments of hay, straw, and stubble.

Now we KNOW you have "gone charismatic"!!!!!

You keep talking like this and you are going to be blackballed. I usually only hear UPC or other old time Pentecostal preachers speak like this in private and only then when they explicitly trust the preson not to repeat it.

[CC1]

Thanks... I can get onboard with your answer.

But are there pastors that have heard from God to place mandates on his/her flock?

I believe if you tooka survery there are a lot of pastors that are under that impression!

[bishoph]

Now we KNOW you have "gone charismatic"!!!!!

You keep talking like this and you are going to be blackballed. I usually only hear UPC or other old time Pentecostal preachers speak like this in private and only then when they explicitly trust the preson not to repeat it.

LOL.....most would consider me a UC........however, to the conservative I'm a liberal, and to the liberal, I'm a conservative. I think this puts me right where I should be........balanced. (now theres a novel concept) lol :tantrum

[dizzyde]

I believe if you tooka survery there are a lot of pastors that are under that impression!


Soooo, you were saying something about the whole editing benefit to being a admin? LOL!!! :ursofunny :ursofunny

[Joseph Miller]

When Res #4 was passed, somebody's sacred cows got kicked over, so they left the mothership.

:clap
:hanky



AMEN!

[jaxfam6]

I do not remember the start of the AMF I was simply raised around it all my life. What I can say though is that I do remember my dad fellowshipped with men in several organizations until several stopped fellowship because of his connection with the AMF. At that time is was only a fellowship of many brethren from different groups. When other groups refused to be part of it or threatened the ministers that were in fellowship with the AMF then several refused to be bullied into non-fellowship and they all needed a place and that is when it stepped up from being a fellowship and they turned it into a fulfleged organization. I do know that even thought they held a tighter ship they still allowed men to fellowship with whomever they wanted to. I know we had men from the UPC and the ALJC who were much more liveral than we were in at our church to preach. I also know that as time went by that happened less and less for whatever reason.

I do not know the reason behind the Tulsa/WWPF (don't even know if that is right) and not sure I care to know. I think it would have to be more than just the use of TV though. I find it hard to believe that TV was the only thing that caused this and I also find it hard to believe it is impromptu. They say you don't backslide over night, well I say you don't leave you affiliation overnight either.

Just my thoughts.

[Pastor DTSalaz]

You don't know if they are good or bad? From your own scriptures, Jesus did not think very highly of the traditions of men. He seems to have condemned them, from what I can see...especially since he said that it rendered the Word of God to none affect.

I would come down on the side of "bad."

Not all traditions of men are wrong but to elevate them to the place of scripture is bad. To wash hands before eating is good but to condemn the disciples for not doing it according to their tradition is to add to the scriptures. To tell everyone to come dressed their best for church as they are coming to the presence of the King is not wrong, but to keep somebody out because of their attire is putting a standard not in the Word of God. To be in ministry at the local church we each make our standards, be on time, wear a tie, nylons or not, hair up or down, be at all church functions, be a tither, dress below the knees or to the ankles, long sleeve shirt, blouse mid upper arm or to the wrist, mustache or shaven, these are rules of conduct. Don't elevate these to the place of scripture requisites. Tithing excepted

We can warn of new forms of ungodliness because of company or influence that is in those venues. This is called discernment. We can judge for ourselves what is right before God. We teach these principles but each person will receive favor, blessing, and protection or judgement, chastisment, and correction based on that individuals decisions. Forced legalism brings an outward change but not always an inward conversion. Outside of pastors & churches sight another behavior altogether. If we have an inward conviction no matter if we leave a particular church our convictions will remain the same or grow with each new illumination as it pertains to our walk with God.

What about sports, amusement parks, beaches, proms, company parties, etc.. We can warn about dangers but not condemn somebody to hell, excommunicate, and dis-fellowship over non essentials.

Even new converts take some time to learn the concept of tithing but are they unsaved until they do. Thats another thread. They will either bless or curse their own lives by paying tithes or not. We will condemn a lot of saints who are in the process of learning this principle and others that we require as a measure of what is holiness. Change comes through a renewing of the mind. This is the process of sanctification. It takes time. Study brings knowledge. Knowledge brings understanding. Understanding brings Wisdom. Wisdom bings wise choices. Fools despise knowledge.

1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

[Pastor DTSalaz]

You don't think that helping God out, or adding fences for protections is a good thing?

There is actually a whole teaching about this issue, its called Binding and Loosing, some pastors feel because of their office that God actually backs their teaching on standards because of the whole principle of Binding and Loosing.



That is what the RCC thinks the pope is able to do. Scripture plus tradition. Pope is infallible so he can speak in Gods stead. It is the same as scripture.