What does cannot sin mean ?

[Joelel]

What's this mean,a person who is born of God cannot sin because his seed remaineth in him ?

1John.3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[Jack Shephard]

What's this mean,a person who is born of God cannot sin because his seed remaineth in him ?

1John.3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Once saved always saved...J/K:bliss

[gloryseeker]

All scripture must agree and there are MANY that tell us that the once saved always saved doctrine is not biblical

[gloryseeker]

I will try to address your question as concisely as possible the way I see it. This is an area that I feel many of us Christians miss it. We try rationalizing and justify our lives because our “intention” is to serve God. However, God is very clear in His Word. He is not looking at our intentions; He is looking at our lives:

1 Pet 1:17
17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; (NKJ)

“Without partiality” means that He is not going to be partial. He is not going to look at Sister Bucketmouth and say, “Oh, I know she meant well.” No, He is going to judge us based upon what He said and what we did, therefore we should live our lives in the spirit of the fear of the Lord.

Now, let me address your question as I feel it is a very good and very important question. Take the context of what John was writing:

I Jn 3:3-10
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

First of all if we have come to the Lord and have asked Him to be Lord of our lives then we have the responsibility to be pure as He is pure. We have the responsibility to purify ourselves. Peter writes (1 Peter 1:15-16) that we are to be holy as He is holy. This is not a try to be holy, He has commanded us to be holy in the same holiness that He is.

If God has commanded us to be holy like Him, then we must understand that He has also given us the ability to be this holy. It’s another topic, but holiness comes from the heart not the exterior.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

I think that where we get messed up is in our definition of “sin.” We have the seven cardinal sins and we have a bunch of other sins given by denomination, pastors, and elsewhere. Sin is simply separation from God. Is it a sin to eat fruit? Not unless God tells you not to eat the fruit. The sin that brought death and separation into the world was simply eating a piece of fruit. I know people that God has told them not to drink coffee. I don’t believe coffee is a sin, but I do believe it is a sin for them because to drink coffee would cause them to be disobedient.

So verse four in my translation would say, “Whoever does the things that would cause them to be separated from me has not submitted themselves to my commands, because what separates people from me is disobedience.”

5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

Verse five then tells us that Jesus was manifested to remove our sins. It’s interesting because in verse 8, which we will read in just a moment states that, the purpose of Jesus was to destroy the works of the devil. Disobedience is the work of the devil therefore you have the “power (or influence) of sin” and the “sin” itself. Not only did Jesus die for our sins, but He also died so that the power of sin no longer controls us.

Verse six starts separating the men from the boys or the real Christians from the wannabee’s:

6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

If you are “in Christ” then you don’t do the things that separate you from Christ. God is a holy God and you are going to live a holy live in all manner of conduct. Your words are going to be in line with the Word of God, your conduct is going to be in line with God, you’re not going to go places that God wouldn’t go and so forth.

You will be led by the Spirit, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” (Rom 8:14). I believe that God will lead you in all aspects of your life – How to spend your money, what you should and shouldn’t eat, what car to buy, what house to buy, where to live, what school you children should go to. Those who know God and give God access to their lives are led by God.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

What is the deception of verse seven? You are deceived when you think that you are righteous and are not doing what God has said. Many in the Church are deceived because they are not practicing righteousness, they are not led by the Spirit, and they rationalize God’s Word to fit their life.

Jesus, the Word manifested in the flesh (John 1:1-14) would not allow Himself to do anything that was contrary to the Word of God, thus He was without spot or blemish. We are to practice righteousness as He is righteous.

8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Those who do the things that separate them from God are of (or influenced by, which is different than possessed. I AM NOT saying everyone who sins is possessed) the devil. Jesus came so that you can be free and led by the Spirit of God. Remember, you cannot serve two masters. If the Lord is your master (Lord means supreme in authority) then you are going to do what the Lord says, not your version of what the Lord says. You are either serving the Lord by following His law (law is simply His Word) or you are doing what you want, which means you are following your carnal “wants” and you have separated yourself from Him.

Now we come to your verse:

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

The seed is Jesus. It is the same seed that was promised to Abraham that can be studied through the book of Galatians. When we are born of God (I mean really born of Him where we have submitted our lives to Him) then we are not going to do the things that will separate us from Him. We either “cannot” sin because it is impossible, or we “cannot” sin because we won’t allow ourselves to.

Since we know that it is still within our ability to sin we know that the “cannot” is not referring to an inability, but a desire that will cause ourselves to live in a realm where we cannot sin.

10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. (NKJ)

What is the “in this” referring to? It’s referring to the sinning or not sinning that John has been talking about. Remember we cannot serve two masters we are either doing what God has said because His seed remains in us or the seed that was in us before is still there. Our lives mean something!

[Joelel]

We must be born of the word as well as being born of the water and Spirit.Once we are born of the Spirit then the Spirit will teach us all truth and we become born of the word.Please note words ,Seed and word and born.The seed is the word of God.Being born of the word is us being perfected.

Luke 8:11: Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.12: Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13: They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. 14: And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

2 Cor.3:3: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ (word)ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Gal.4:19: My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ (word) be formed in you,

1 Peter 122: Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth(word) through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:23: Being born again, not of corruptible seed,(WORD) but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Eph.5:25: Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;26: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,(SEED)27: That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

1 John 2:5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1John 3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed (word) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1John 4:7: Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God,(THE WORD) and knoweth God.8: He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.9: In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.10: Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.11: Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.12: No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1John5:1: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:(THE WORD) and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.4: For whatsoever is born of God (THE WORD)overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John5:18: We know that whosoever is born of God (THE WORD)sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Cor.13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity,( Perfected love) I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, (Perfected love) I am nothing.
13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity,(Perfected Love) it profiteth me nothing.13:4 Charity (Perfected Love)suffereth long, and is kind; charity(Perfected Love) envieth not; charity (perfected Love)vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.13:8 Charity (Perfected Love)never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away (WHEN WE ARE NOT PERFECTED IN LOVE).13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
13:10 But when that which is perfect (Perfected Love)is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.13:11 When I was a child, ( Not perfect in love)I spake as a child,(Not perfect in love) I understood as a child,(not perfect in love) I thought as a child: (not Perfect in love)but when I became a man,(became perfect in love) I put away childish things.
13:12 For now(before we became perfect) we see through a glass, darkly; but then(when we became perfect) face to face: now I know(When i'm not perfect) in part; but then(when i become perfect) shall I know even as also I am known.13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity,( perfect love) these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (Perfected love)

[Joelel]

Once saved always saved...J/K:bliss

:koolaid

[Praxeas]

1Jn 3:1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1Jn 3:5 You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

[Timmy]

1Jn 3:1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1Jn 3:5 You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Picking up the Joelel method of posting? Not bad, but the bold parts should also be red and underlined. When you're painted into a corner, just post a digging, violin, or itsover smilie. All three, if you're really desperate.

[gloryseeker]

Picking up the Joelel method of posting? Not bad, but the bold parts should also be red and underlined. When you're painted into a corner, just post a digging, violin, or itsover smilie. All three, if you're really desperate.

:ursofunny

[Praxeas]

Picking up the Joelel method of posting? Not bad, but the bold parts should also be red and underlined. When you're painted into a corner, just post a digging, violin, or itsover smilie. All three, if you're really desperate.
Actually I was reposting his verses with a better translation.

[Michael The Disciple]

This verse:

9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

Reminds me of this:

1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2: God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Romans 6:1-2

[Joshua]

In my opinion, this scripture simple means when you are born of God, you are now accountable and you are not allowed to sin, not that you won't sin, but you cannot sin and get by with it, you are now held accountable and have to repent and do your first works over again. The ungodly are not so but are like the chaf which the wind drives away. If a person has never been born of God, then they are not so, they do not exist as a new creature in Christ.

[Praxeas]

In my opinion, this scripture simple means when you are born of God, you are now accountable and you are not allowed to sin, not that you won't sin, but you cannot sin and get by with it, you are now held accountable and have to repent and do your first works over again. The ungodly are not so but are like the chaf which the wind drives away. If a person has never been born of God, then they are not so, they do not exist as a new creature in Christ.
Uh....when you are NOT born of God you are STILL accountable for your sins..otherwise I would not need a savior

[Joshua]

Uh....when you are NOT born of God you are STILL accountable for your sins..otherwise I would not need a savior


If you haven't been born or made alive, you are just dead in trespasses and sins. No need for accountability. It's a foregone conclusion. The ungodly are not so, but are like the chaf which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in judgment. (because there is no need for judgment)

[Praxeas]

If you haven't been born or made alive, you are just dead in trespasses and sins. No need for accountability. It's a foregone conclusion. The ungodly are not so, but are like the chaf which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in judgment. (because there is no need for judgment)
That is not true. EVERYONE will one day give an account for their actions

1Pe 4:3 The time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry.
1Pe 4:4 With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you;
1Pe 4:5 but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

[Joshua]

They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish. -- Is 26:14



And in Jude:

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Not everyone is going to resurrect. Some have already proven themselves unworthy. Others that never had a soul that was made alive never existed to begin with. Just dust to dust. No spiritual life to resurrect.

[Bro-Larry]

When you are born again, it is your spirit that is made a new creature (an entirely new species of being). That new spirit is exactly like Jesus. It has all of Jesus' attributes and characteristics. Your newly born spirit is sealed by the Holy Ghost until the day of redemption. Therefore, after you have been born again, your spirit cannot sin.

Your flesh and soul (mind, will and emotions) have been purchased, but have not yet been redeemed. Your flesh can sin, which will produce death (sickness, disease, and poverty) in your flesh. Sin cannot penetrate your born again spirit.

[Joshua]

Which sin is it that your body can commit that will have no affect on your spirit?

[Bro-Larry]

Your assumption is flawed reasoning. A dead man connot sin.

9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2: God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Romans 6:1-2

[gloryseeker]

When you are born again, it is your spirit that is made a new creature (an entirely new species of being). That new spirit is exactly like Jesus. It has all of Jesus' attributes and characteristics. Your newly born spirit is sealed by the Holy Ghost until the day of redemption.

You did good up to this point. You should have stopped here because your conclusion to this statement has no biblical basis


Therefore, after you have been born again, your spirit cannot sin.

Your flesh and soul (mind, will and emotions) have been purchased, but have not yet been redeemed. Your flesh can sin, which will produce death (sickness, disease, and poverty) in your flesh. Sin cannot penetrate your born again spirit.

To hold to this explanation you would also have to believe in the once saved always saved doctrine since your born again spirit would be somehow sealed and unable to be penetrated by sin.

It would also render scriptures such as the following one as erroneous:


Heb 6:4-6
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and {then} have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. (NAS)

[Joelel]

1Jn 3:1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
1Jn 3:5 You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
1Jn 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Right we can come to the place where we don't practice sin but this takes place when his seed (word) abides in us or we are born or regenerated by the word.God's word don't abide in us or we are not born or regenerated of the word if we practice sin.

[Joelel]

An other point to make here is,1Jn 3:6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

[Bro-Larry]

You did good up to this point. You should have stopped here because your conclusion to this statement has no biblical basis




To hold to this explanation you would also have to believe in the once saved always saved doctrine since your born again spirit would be somehow sealed and unable to be penetrated by sin.

It would also render scriptures such as the following one as erroneous:


Heb 6:4-6
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and {then} have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. (NAS)


Never say, "Never", my friend, because there is always another option.

Are you taking the unscriptural position, that after new birth a person never sins again? I think not.

An understanding of the fact that a person is composed of body, soul, and spirit, gives a plausable explaination to I Jn 3:9, and of how everyone does sin, in some fashion (maybe not the big sins), and yet on the other hand a born again person cannot sin. (in his spirit). Remember your spirit in the only part of you that has already been perfected. Your soul and body will be redeemed later.

As for your extrapolation of OSAS, let me say that there is also another option. While I believe you cannot lose your salvation, I do believe that you can fall away and be lost by voluntarily renouncing your salvation, if you meet the five qualifiers found in Heb 4:4-6

[gloryseeker]

Are you taking the unscriptural position, that after new birth a person never sins again? I think not.

No, it is obvious that people can sin again after the new birth. Many real live examples of this throughout history.

An understanding of the fact that a person is composed of body, soul, and spirit, gives a plausable explaination to I Jn 3:9

I totally agree that the three components of the human make up consists of Spirit, soul, and body, however your explanation of it does not agree with 1 Jn 3:9 unless you isolate this verse from the rest of the context of the passage that is written by John. Also, the main context of the scripture is love and not sin:

I Jn 3:1-11
1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called children of God; and {such} we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

Context: Love of God. The reason the world does not know us is because we have become the children of God because of the love of God.

2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is.

Context: Still following the pattern of the love of God as reflected in our being the children of God.

3 And everyone who has this hope {fixed} on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

Context: Now we get to the meat of this. Everyone who has the hope of the Love of God that makes us the children of God purifies himself just as Jesus is pure.

The key here is your responsibility to live clean because of the love of God bestowed upon you. What John is setting us up for is the "cannot" sin is coming from a standpoint of one who understands what God has done for us will not allow himself to sin not that it is impossible to sin. Watch how he progresses.

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

Context: He who "practices." From this we know that we have the power to practice sin, but the context is that we are to purify ourselves by not practicing sin.

5 And you know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

Context: For God so loved the world He sent His only begotten Son and in His Son there is no sin. Therefore, purify yourself because if you practice sin you practice lawlessness.

6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.

Context: It gets real interesting here because those who "abide" in Jesus does not sin. Why? Because He is pure and they understand the love that was bestowed upon them and they will not allow themselves to do those things that He has declared unclean.

A lot of people deceive themselves thinking they are "in Him" when in fact they are not because of the sin in there life. Narrow is the way that leads to life, but broad is the way to destruction.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;

Context: Don't be deceived. If "you" want to be righteous you are going to have to live righteous.

8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Context: Those who practice sin is of the devil. This is where you made a BIG mistake talking about big sins and small sins... Sin is sin and it is of the devil. From the spiritual side of sin there is no difference between the adulterer and sister bucketmouth in the church. Sin is sin and it is of the devil.

9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


Context: Those born of God do not practice sin because of the seed that is inside of them and they are not going to do anything to jeopardize that seed. The cannot, therefore is not the inability but the not allowing oneself to sin.

Jesus could have sinned, but He was not going to stain that which was pure. Therefore, He could have accurately said, "I cannot sin." Not from an inability but from an unwillingness.

10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Context: By what? By the purity of life. The children of God practice righteousness and the children of the devil practice sin.

11 For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; (NAS)

Context: It's all about love

Other scriptural references:

John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (KJV)

John 15:10
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (KJV)

I Jn 5:2
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. (KJV)

I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (KJV)

II Jn 1:6
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. (KJV)

[Bro-Larry]

Correction : Heb 6:4-6

Everyone believes what they want to believe.

[Joelel]

No, it is obvious that people can sin again after the new birth. Many real live examples of this throughout history.



I totally agree that the three components of the human make up consists of Spirit, soul, and body, however your explanation of it does not agree with 1 Jn 3:9 unless you isolate this verse from the rest of the context of the passage that is written by John. Also, the main context of the scripture is love and not sin:

I Jn 3:1-11
1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called children of God; and {such} we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

Context: Love of God. The reason the world does not know us is because we have become the children of God because of the love of God.

2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is.

Context: Still following the pattern of the love of God as reflected in our being the children of God.

3 And everyone who has this hope {fixed} on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

Context: Now we get to the meat of this. Everyone who has the hope of the Love of God that makes us the children of God purifies himself just as Jesus is pure.

The key here is your responsibility to live clean because of the love of God bestowed upon you. What John is setting us up for is the "cannot" sin is coming from a standpoint of one who understands what God has done for us will not allow himself to sin not that it is impossible to sin. Watch how he progresses.

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

Context: He who "practices." From this we know that we have the power to practice sin, but the context is that we are to purify ourselves by not practicing sin.

5 And you know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

Context: For God so loved the world He sent His only begotten Son and in His Son there is no sin. Therefore, purify yourself because if you practice sin you practice lawlessness.

6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.

Context: It gets real interesting here because those who "abide" in Jesus does not sin. Why? Because He is pure and they understand the love that was bestowed upon them and they will not allow themselves to do those things that He has declared unclean.

A lot of people deceive themselves thinking they are "in Him" when in fact they are not because of the sin in there life. Narrow is the way that leads to life, but broad is the way to destruction.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;

Context: Don't be deceived. If "you" want to be righteous you are going to have to live righteous.

8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Context: Those who practice sin is of the devil. This is where you made a BIG mistake talking about big sins and small sins... Sin is sin and it is of the devil. From the spiritual side of sin there is no difference between the adulterer and sister bucketmouth in the church. Sin is sin and it is of the devil.

9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


Context: Those born of God do not practice sin because of the seed that is inside of them and they are not going to do anything to jeopardize that seed. The cannot, therefore is not the inability but the not allowing oneself to sin.

Jesus could have sinned, but He was not going to stain that which was pure. Therefore, He could have accurately said, "I cannot sin." Not from an inability but from an unwillingness.

10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Context: By what? By the purity of life. The children of God practice righteousness and the children of the devil practice sin.

11 For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; (NAS)

Context: It's all about love

Other scriptural references:

John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (KJV)

John 15:10
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (KJV)

I Jn 5:2
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. (KJV)

I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (KJV)

II Jn 1:6
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. (KJV)

There is a big differance in being born of the Spirit and being born of the seed or word.You can practice sin when your only born of the Spirit but you can't practice sin if your fully born of the word.

[Neck]

What's this mean,a person who is born of God cannot sin because his seed remaineth in him ?

1John.3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


To me it has always been about true repentance.

You will not sin willfully after receiving the promise.

It is not an open door to sin and have it overlooked by watered down grace.

It you are truely born of God you will not be the minister who falls into sin.

[gloryseeker]

There is a big differance in being born of the Spirit and being born of the seed or word.You can practice sin when your only born of the Spirit but you can't practice sin if your fully born of the word.

You are in error... the Word is Spirit:

John 1:1-2
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God. (KJV)

John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (KJV)

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (KJV)

[Joelel]

You are in error... the Word is Spirit:

John 1:1-2
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God. (KJV)

John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (KJV)

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (KJV)

The words Jesus spoke is spirit,small s.Showing they are his words.God's word is his but his word is not Spirit,large S.The same as my words are mine but they are not my flesh.God's word is God because they are his words but his word is not Spirit.The word born means regenerated.When we are filled with his Spirit we are regenerated of the Spirit but not his of his word.We are regenerated by his word as we hear his word and obey it and are perfected or regenerated.

We are being perfected or regenerated or born or washed by the word.Eph.5:25: Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;26: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,(SEED)27: That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish

Peter told them here they have purified their souls by obeying the word.We obey the word after we are filled with the Spirit.The Spirit leads us into all truth and we purify our souls by obeying.

1 Peter 122: Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth(word) through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:23: Being born (regenerated)again, not of corruptible seed,(WORD) but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

[gloryseeker]

The words Jesus spoke is spirit,small s.Showing they are his words.God's word is his but his word is not Spirit,large S.The same as my words are mine but they are not my flesh.God's word is God because they are his words but his word is not Spirit.The word born means regenerated.When we are filled with his Spirit we are regenerated of the Spirit but not his of his word.We are regenerated by his word as we hear his word and obey it and are perfected or regenerated.

We are being perfected or regenerated or born or washed by the word.Eph.5:25: Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;26: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,(SEED)27: That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish

Peter told them here they have purified their souls by obeying the word.We obey the word after we are filled with the Spirit.The Spirit leads us into all truth and we purify our souls by obeying.

1 Peter 122: Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth(word) through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:23: Being born (regenerated)again, not of corruptible seed,(WORD) but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Your explanation has done well to compartmentalize biblical truths from one another. This is the reason that the Bible speaks of those who are ever learning and never coming to the Knowledge of the truth.

Peter tells us (2 Peter 1:3) that all things have been given to us through the knowledge of Him who has called us. Jesus speaking to the disciples (I think Matt 14) asked who people said that He was. When Peter responded that He was "the Christ (anointed One/Messiah) the Son of the living God" Jesus responded that this came by revelation from the Father and that because of this revelation he was blessed (empowered to succeed). Jesus then said that upon this rock (the revelation of Who He is) would be built a church that the gates of hell could not prevail against.

Hosea prophesied that because of a lack of knowledge God's people are destroyed.

The reason that so many Christians are broke, sick, depressed, addicted, and just getting by is because, as you, they have no understanding of the Jesus, the Word, the Spirit, and the Father and how it all ties in together.

[Joelel]

Your explanation has done well to compartmentalize biblical truths from one another. This is the reason that the Bible speaks of those who are ever learning and never coming to the Knowledge of the truth.

Peter tells us (2 Peter 1:3) that all things have been given to us through the knowledge of Him who has called us. Jesus speaking to the disciples (I think Matt 14) asked who people said that He was. When Peter responded that He was "the Christ (anointed One/Messiah) the Son of the living God" Jesus responded that this came by revelation from the Father and that because of this revelation he was blessed (empowered to succeed). Jesus then said that upon this rock (the revelation of Who He is) would be built a church that the gates of hell could not prevail against.

Hosea prophesied that because of a lack of knowledge God's people are destroyed.

The reason that so many Christians are broke, sick, depressed, addicted, and just getting by is because, as you, they have no understanding of the Jesus, the Word, the Spirit, and the Father and how it all ties in together.

The problem is,everyone thinks their the one God is teaching and everyone else is wrong.The truth is if your deceived you don't know your deceived.So,the bottom line is this might be you.

[gloryseeker]

The problem is,everyone thinks their the one God is teaching and everyone else is wrong.

There is a typo in what you were thinking and what you wrote, so I am not sure exactly what you mean.

Having said that, we shouldn't be moved by every wind of doctrine and at the same time we shouldn't think we have the only corner on the biblical market.

The Bible is complex in that God wrote it. Understanding of it comes through revelation and if you don't have revelation of it then you will get stuck.

If you look through the posts most everyone has said some things you can agree with while some you disagree with.

I have read many of your posts and I disagree with most, but you have argued some points that I agree with you.

I disagree with virtually everything Mblume says about eschatology, but he is obviously very well versed and believes what he is saying. In other areas he has made some very good points that I agree with.

So whose right...me or him? We'll see!

The truth is if your deceived you don't know your deceived.So,the bottom line is this might be you.[/B]

Valid point, but it also works both ways. Are you posting through revelation or deception? If you are deceived you will still think that you have revelation.

[Joelel]

There is a typo in what you were thinking and what you wrote, so I am not sure exactly what you mean.

Having said that, we shouldn't be moved by every wind of doctrine and at the same time we shouldn't think we have the only corner on the biblical market.

The Bible is complex in that God wrote it. Understanding of it comes through revelation and if you don't have revelation of it then you will get stuck.

If you look through the posts most everyone has said some things you can agree with while some you disagree with.

I have read many of your posts and I disagree with most, but you have argued some points that I agree with you.

I disagree with virtually everything Mblume says about eschatology, but he is obviously very well versed and believes what he is saying. In other areas he has made some very good points that I agree with.

So whose right...me or him? We'll see!



Valid point, but it also works both ways. Are you posting through revelation or deception? If you are deceived you will still think that you have revelation.

Here you and I disagree once again.I don't see where we need revelation to understand a letter that was written by the apostles to the church.Why would someone write a letter to someone and wouldn't want them to understand ? that's foolishness.To me most of the scripture is very clear,the problem is most just don't believe what it says.Yes many words we need to look up the meanings but I never thought I needed revelation.The bottom line is,if a person is born again he cannot practice sin.So,anyone who still practices sin is not born again.

[gloryseeker]

Here you and I disagree once again.I don't see where we need revelation to understand a letter that was written by the apostles to the church.Why would someone write a letter to someone and wouldn't want them to understand ? that's foolishness.To me most of the scripture is very clear,the problem is most just don't believe what it says.Yes many words we need to look up the meanings but I never thought I needed revelation.The bottom line is,if a person is born again he cannot practice sin.So,anyone who still practices sin is not born again.

Joelel, Joelel, Joelel,

I'll just give you three scriptures:

1 Cor 2:13-14
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual {thoughts} with spiritual {words.}
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (NAS)

First of all notice verse 13 the words are taught by the Spirit. Therefore, without revelation knowledge you are not going to receive the full truth of the Word.

According to verse 14 you cannot understand the deep things of God through the natural man. The things of the Spirit are spiritually discerned.

Gal 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. (KJV)

Notice the word "of" in verse 12 - this revelation was not "from" Jesus it was "of" Jesus. It is obvious that he could have been taught about Jesus, but that was not the case. In fact verse 11 refers to the "gospel" that Paul preached. What Paul was preaching was not textbook knowledge it was revelation of Who Jesus is.

Finally, Jesus' words"

John 5:39
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. (KJV)

Why did the Jews not know who Jesus was when the scriptures that they searched testified of Him???? Lack of revelation.

The problem (especially with preachers) is they lack revelation of the Word. To many of them use Preachit.org, sermoncentral.com, or denominal talking points to get their messages instead of seeking God and bringing fresh manna to build believers

[Joelel]

Joelel, Joelel, Joelel,

I'll just give you three scriptures:

1 Cor 2:13-14
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual {thoughts} with spiritual {words.}
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (NAS)

First of all notice verse 13 the words are taught by the Spirit. Therefore, without revelation knowledge you are not going to receive the full truth of the Word.

According to verse 14 you cannot understand the deep things of God through the natural man. The things of the Spirit are spiritually discerned.

Gal 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. (KJV)

Notice the word "of" in verse 12 - this revelation was not "from" Jesus it was "of" Jesus. It is obvious that he could have been taught about Jesus, but that was not the case. In fact verse 11 refers to the "gospel" that Paul preached. What Paul was preaching was not textbook knowledge it was revelation of Who Jesus is.

Finally, Jesus' words"

John 5:39
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. (KJV)

Why did the Jews not know who Jesus was when the scriptures that they searched testified of Him???? Lack of revelation.

The problem (especially with preachers) is they lack revelation of the Word. To many of them use Preachit.org, sermoncentral.com, or denominal talking points to get their messages instead of seeking God and bringing fresh manna to build believers

The natural man is the man without the Spirit,he cannot understand.We who have the Spirit and are not carnal can understand.The apostles had the Spirit and understood and wrote the letters with the understanding of the Spirit.If we have the Spirit we have the revelation of the Spirit,we don't need revelation when we have it.Revelation comes with the Spirit.Well,no need to keep on with you,I know you can't receive truth.

[Praxeas]

The problem is,everyone thinks their the one God is teaching and everyone else is wrong.The truth is if your deceived you don't know your deceived.So,the bottom line is this might be you.
Or you.