Homeschoolers beware

[scotty]

Well seems California not only passed into law that homosexuality is to be taught in the public schools but now a judge has ruled that home schooled children can't be home schooled anymore and have to enroll into a public or private school. Read the article here:


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57679 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57679)

[Digging4Truth]

What new word are we going to find to replace free?

The land of the ? and the home of the brave?

Any suggestions?

[scotty]

Here is the "sobering" part of it.

We find no reason to strike down the Legislature's evaluation of what constitutes an adequate education scheme sufficient to promote the 'general diffusion of knowledge and intelligence,'" the court said in the case. "We agree … 'the educational program of the State of California was designed to promote the general welfare of all the people and was not designed to accommodate the personal ideas of any individual in the field of education.'"

The words echo the ideas of officials from Germany, where homeschooling has been outlawed since 1938 under a law adopted when Adolf Hitler decided he wanted the state, and no one else, to control the minds of the nation's youth.

So they just compared the education laws of the state of California to that of Adolf Hitler........when does someone step up and say....ah, excuse me?!?!..of course their governor is from Austria.

Christian schools will be next ......

[Digging4Truth]

Here is the "sobering" part of it.

We find no reason to strike down the Legislature's evaluation of what constitutes an adequate education scheme sufficient to promote the 'general diffusion of knowledge and intelligence,'" the court said in the case. "We agree … 'the educational program of the State of California was designed to promote the general welfare of all the people and was not designed to accommodate the personal ideas of any individual in the field of education.'"

The words echo the ideas of officials from Germany, where homeschooling has been outlawed since 1938 under a law adopted when Adolf Hitler decided he wanted the state, and no one else, to control the minds of the nation's youth.

So they just compared the education laws of the state of California to that of Adolf Hitler........when does someone step up and say....ah, excuse me?!?!..of course their governor is from Austria.

Christian schools will be next ......

Historically speaking it is the human condition to sleep through the entire incarceration and finally awaken when they are snugly enslaved and the bars are locked.

It would appear that Americans are no different than every other free society which preceded this great experiment.

[Mrs. LPW]

Wow.

[Pressing-On]

Home School Legal Defense Association
Follow Up—Bad Decision by Second Appellate District of California

As many of you know, the Second Appellate District Court of Los Angeles handed down a very bad decision regarding a case involving a homeschool family.

Home School Legal Defense Association was not involved with this case, and the family are not members, which is why we only heard about this case when the opinion was released on February 28, 2008.

Since legal cases have many facets, and we are starting from scratch, it takes time to investigate and fully absorb all the facts which led up to a particular decision. We are in the middle of that process, but because of the interest in this case we want to give you as much information as we can regarding the implications for California.

The opinion holds that homeschooling is not a legal option in California. HSLDA strongly disputes this interpretation of California law. We believe that the court made a mistake when it relied on two decisions reached in the 1950s in order to show that homeschooling is not a legal option.

If the opinion is followed, then California will have the most regressive law in the nation and homeschooling will be effectively banned, because the only legal way to homeschool will be for the parent to hold a teaching certificate. Parents should not have to attend a four-year college education program just to teach their own children.

California is now on the path to being the only state to deny the vast majority of homeschooling parents their fundamental right to teach their own children at home.

HSLDA stands ready to provide assistance in appealing this decision in order to show the court that it made a mistake. It should have ruled that homeschooling is a fundamental right and that parents have a legal option to homeschool in California.

http://www.hslda.org/hs/state/ca/200803030.asp

Information on legal grounds for homechooling in California.

http://www.hslda.org/laws/analysis/California.pdf

[scotty]

So do you think it will be overturned, or will it stand?

I say it will stand, just because of where it is...California.

I also think it is a step towards attacking Christian schools next.

[Pressing-On]

So do you think it will be overturned, or will it stand?

I say it will stand, just because of where it is...California.

I also think it is a step towards attacking Christian schools next.

The HSLDA is a pretty aggressive group of people. I'm not sure California will win, in the end. We shall see.

[Tina]

It will be interesting to see what HSLDA does. They are great in fighting for the rights of homeschoolers.

[LadyChocolate]

That is just absurd! Those kind of reports just really set me off!:ranting:ranting:rant:rant:irate:pullhair

[Sister Alvear]

I don't know who will win but I know the direction America is taking and it is scary...

[James Griffin]

Silent no more.

Does anyone else find it ironic that the bastion of the ulra-consersative within the UPCI (and perhaps core of the WPF) ranks has one of its main locus in California, the state heading the slide into a moral cesspool?

I posted a warning here months ago when California educational system spearheaded a law which said homosexuality must not only be tolerated it must be actively promoted.

The "kicker" was this law was passed during the pre-conference rumblings, and it was pointed out that NOT ONE conservative pastor had faxed or called the governor's office in protest!

Talk about straining a gnat and swallowing the camel. Let's concentrate our efforts and resources, (both human and capital) on attacking brothers who want to reach the lost by using TV??

Here's a challenge: how about instead of self-promotion and touting "standards", PROVE your holiness and concern for morality by organizing against this evil in your own backyard.

But then where's the status in that? Who knows you might even have to stand on a platform with a Trintarian!!

Besides isn't it much easier to just sit back and preach against fellow apostolics than try and make a difference?

For shame.

[Cindy]

Silent no more.

Does anyone else find it ironic that the bastion of the ulra-consersative with the UPCI (and perhaps core of the WPF) ranks has one of its main locus in California, the state heading the slide into a moral cesspool?

I posted a warning here months ago when California educational system spearheaded a law which said homosexuality must not only be tolerated it must be actively promoted.

The "kicker" was this law was passed during the pre-conference rumblings, and it was pointed out that NOT ONE conservative pastor had faxed or called the governor's office in protest!

Talk about straining a gnat and swallowing the camel. Let's concentrate our efforts and resources, (both human and capital) on attacking brothers who want to reach the lost by using TV??

Here's a challenge: how about instead of self-promotion and touting "standards", PROVE your holiness and concern for morality by organizing against this evil in your own backyard.

But then where's the status in that? Who knows you might even have to stand on a platform with a Trintarian!!

Besides isn't it much easier to just sit back and preach against fellow apostolics than try and make a difference?

For shame.

Preach!

[DividedThigh]

scary stuff, god help us, :kickcan

[tbpew]

Silent no more.

Here's a challenge: how about instead of self-promotion and touting "standards", PROVE your holiness and concern for morality by organizing against this evil in your own backyard.

For shame.

Is this your core mission at the NCO?

Please bro, there is ample blame-fueled condemnation to go around.

Did your WARNING make the linkage between compulsory homosexual promotion AND home-instruction being taking away as an option for non-credentialed parents?

It often takes a Pearl Harbor or a WTC to mobilize/focus action.

Your charge of cons being asleep at the wheel is just more misplaced energy. It also demonstrates the things we stare at distract us from the needs we should be seeing.

[James Griffin]

Is this your core mission at the NCO?

Please bro, there is ample blame-fueled condemnation to go around.

Did your WARNING make the linkage between compulsory homosexual promotion AND home-instruction being taking away as an option for non-credentialed parents?

It often takes a Pearl Harbor or a WTC to mobilize/focus action.

Your charge of cons being asleep at the wheel is just more misplaced energy. It also demonstrates the things we stare at distract us from the needs we should be seeing.

I posted entirely as an individual!!! And even as such I have never posted in such a tone anywhere. (And probably would not have then had I not been sick the last several days; while I don't retract the message the tone was out of character sorry) The conservatives in California ESPECIALLY Apostolics were strangely silent during the passage of the compulsory homosexual litigation.

A moral Pearl Harbor is on the way if action is not moblized and focused before its too late.

As far as misplaced energy, I have GREAT respect for the intellect, talent, charisma, and organizational abilities for those to whom the comments were directed, IF somehow they could be awakened from their lethargy and their priorities refocused they could make a REAL difference!!!! That's the point.

In the previous thread while the legislation promoting the "compulsory homosexual promotion litigation" was still pending I quoted an article stating that not a single conservative pastor or group in California had faxed a protest, much less actually demonstrated. That is beyond a shame.

So far in this case we merely have a bad court decision. Thank God.

My question is this:

At what point does "separation" become abdication of responsibility for change?

IF (please note the if) Satan has indeed taken the entertainment industry do we react in terror and become monastic or join with the majority of decent Americans and take it back? IF the education is screwed up, do we throw up our hands in surrender pull ALL of our children out or do we take it back?

Am I the only tired of the "hold the fort I am coming" mentality so often represented?

[tbpew]

j.g.

I do not have a clear sense of where godly wisdom will lead us and how it will limit us, to involve our zeal with human politic. The activity foolishly imagines that we certainly do wrestle with flesh and blood, and as such, our actions must seek to fully engage the devices of man. How can this be reconciled with the scriptural witness --where do you see this happening between Israel and Rome, let alone, between Jesus and Rome?

I do not believe the aftermath of the Moral Majority has served the Kingdom of God. The religious-right has moved from being a faith-based constituent voice to a tool in the game of human contests. Desiring to sit at the table, we have adopted the striving and contention of those who invented the table.

I believe in local activism that advocates for a just cause. In such settings there is no wasted rhetoric or hatred of the opposing viewholders. Rather, the use of words are purposeful toward obtaining the prize. I deplore the utter stupidity of imaginations that can see liberal as bad/evil and conservative as godly/good.

If this Cali ruling brings attention to homeschoolers in a light that depicts them as victims of some nasty machine paid by the teacher's union or the big-bad government, maybe we [homeschoolers] can be rediscovered as a diversity group that needs at least the same the liberty as the handful of transgendered folks!

Politics stirs up everything James 4 warns about.

There is a need for action, but only within the immediate setting that we can directly impact. If we become politically-minded, our spiritual mind will wither.

The silly O.P. vs. Trini wars you alluded to, are given occassion because many loud voices foolishly think we really do need to wrestle against flesh and blood.

[OP_Carl]

That is just absurd! Those kind of reports just really set me off!:ranting:ranting:rant:rant:irate:pullhair

Channel your anger into something constructive: Make a commitment to send a couple hundred dollars to the HSLDA! :cheer :cheer :cheer :clap :cheer :cheer :cheer :rooting :cheer :cheer :cheer :hanky

[OP_Carl]

For the union-bashers and conspiracy junkies out there (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/03/20/homeschoolers_in_the_crosshairs_of_the_nea?page=fu ll&comments=true)

[tbpew]

How does the Second Appellate District of California get to be what it is?

How many of their provocative rulings have been overturned at the State Supreme Court level?

Why is it that a broken judicary in California can continue to operate from an agenda-driven place?

Just wondering...how many appellate districts are there in Cali....and are these judges, judges for life?