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I am a ham operator, and I just participated in a conversation about the issue of illegal immigration. One of the participants feels that the best solution to the problem would be to round all the "Mexicans" up and ship them back to Mexico. Another person thinks it would be a good idea to clear our jails of all the illegal immigrants, and he also thinks that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from even those with college degrees.
With the one who thinks we should round them all up and ship them out, I tried to make the point that, from a logistical standpoint, it would be a nightmare to round up the 12-14 million illegal immigrants we have in this country and send them back to Mexico, not to mention how much it would cost. He went on and on and on about how they're not paying taxes, contributing to our economy, etc., etc. We need to seal the border, etc., etc. I told him I agreed with him that we need to seal the border, but a better solution would be to offer amnesty to the illegals who are already in the country once we get the border sealed. That way they don't have to live in hiding, taxes taken out of their paychecks will actually find its way into the system, they would have more of an incentive to learn English. I also tried to point out that, even though they are illegals, they are still contributing to the economy because they buy food, gasoline, cars, and shop at Wal Mart for clothes and their necessities just like the citizens do. Rounding them all up would eliminate 12-14 millions consumers from our economy and how can that help us?
The more this guy talked the more I began to suspect that he's really a racist. The thing that got me to thinking this way was when he resorted to complaining about how the Mexicans send some of the money they make back to their families. I basically told him that it was their money, they earned it, and, if they want to send it back to their families in Mexico then who am I to condemn them for doing it. I asked him if he thought anyone should have the right to tell him what he should do with his paycheck and that pretty much ended my conversation with him. LOL!
I don't think the other fella is a racist. He did make a good point about sending illegal aliens back to their native country upon being convicted of a crime. I don't have any argument against that. What didn't make sense to me is when he tried to blame illegal immigrants for taking jobs from Americans with college degrees. They're not coming over here and landing jobs in corporate America! They, the illegal immigrants, are working on farms, in restaurants, in construction, at meat plants and other factory type jobs. that part of his argument didn't make any sense to me.
So, my question for all of you is what do you think the solution to the immigration problem is? Should we seal up the border, round them all up, and send them home? Should we seal the border, clear our jails of illegals, and give amnesty to those already here? Do you think illegal aliens are taking jobs away from college educated Americans? What's the answer?
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 08:15 AM
Virginia (I'll have to find the article) is now setting the precedent to ship back anyone that has any type of criminal record. I think that's great.
The only problem is, in some instances, people are afraid to report a crime because of gang related issues. They feel threatened. Therefore, some crimes will go unreported.
My daughter had her cell phone stolen off the table in a restaurant by an "illegal" bus boy. The Managers refused to do anything so she called the police. They came in, did a search. One of the waitresses saw him take the phone in the bathroom and hide it under a trash can. It was retrieved, although scratched up.
The police wanted her to press charges because he had a few things on him and this would put him in jail. She was afraid his gang member friends would come after her, so she settled on getting her phone back.
I don't think fences, etc. are going to help. We need to come after the employer that hires them.
Cindy
03-07-2008, 08:28 AM
Periodically the "feds" go to places where a lot of illegal's work. I have actually witnessed a business owner round up all their workers that are not citizens and take them somewhere else until it is all clear. They were left understaffed and everyone that was left had to do 2 or more jobs. What happened was the first place that was hit in town called all the other places so they could be warned. On the one hand they are very hard working people but just like any other part of society there are some good and bad. I say just let them go through the naturalization process and become citizens. If they are not willing to do that, then send them home.
LadyChocolate
03-07-2008, 08:35 AM
Periodically the "feds" go to places where a lot of illegal's work. I have actually witnessed a business owner round up all their workers that are not citizens and take them somewhere else until it is all clear. They were left understaffed and everyone that was left had to do 2 or more jobs. What happened was the first place that was hit in town called all the other places so they could be warned. On the one hand they are very hard working people but just like any other part of society there are some good and bad. I say just let them go through the naturalization process and become citizens. If they are not willing to do that, then send them home.
...you know if it were only that easy................... if they wanna be here, become a citizen.....! but it's not that easy is it???? :tissue
BTW, if we rounded up all 14 million of the illegal immigrants and used buses to ship them back to Mexico, it would take 184,615 busloads, assuming that each load was 65 people. I wonder how much the fuel alone would cost, not including feeding and lodging the illegals while on the trip, and the wages the drivers would earn.
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 08:55 AM
BTW, if we rounded up all 14 million of the illegal immigrants and used buses to ship them back to Mexico, it would take 184,615 busloads, assuming that each load was 65 people. I wonder how much the fuel alone would cost, not including feeding and lodging the illegals while on the trip, and the wages the drivers would earn.
Perhaps we could do some Exodus Moses-esque type thing and walk them all back in one crowd. :ursofunny
Or we could do a 10% amnesty situation.
Each illegal which turns over 9 other illegals which results in deportation will then earn amnesty. :ursofunny
Cindy
03-07-2008, 08:56 AM
...you know if it were only that easy................... if they wanna be here, become a citizen.....! but it's not that easy is it???? :tissue
No it isn't. And some that I know personally are the most wonderful people. But for whatever reason they come their very first act is illegal. That means they are criminals. Let's say I decide to illegally enter your home and expect you to let me stay and work for you and reap the benefits of whatever you have to offer. Would you graciously allow me to stay or would you call the authorities and have me arrested. I don't think we could send all of them back home even if we wanted to. Costs aside the burden of finding them all and doing so is too great.
disclaimer....LadyC this post is not speaking directly to you.
I say round em all up, put em in chartered buses, make a pass through the Taco Bell drive through for lunch, then drive em back across the border.
However don't do this until you actually build the cotton pickin 700 mile border fence that was already supposed to be built.
I am all for legal immigration but our nation is being overrun with illegal immigration and a hard line stance needs to be taken to stop the flow.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:09 AM
No it isn't. And some that I know personally are the most wonderful people. But for whatever reason they come their very first act is illegal. That means they are criminals. Let's say I decide to illegally enter your home and expect you to let me stay and work for you and reap the benefits of whatever you have to offer. Would you graciously allow me to stay or would you call the authorities and have me arrested. I don't think we could send all of them back home even if we wanted to. Costs aside the burden of finding them all and doing so is too great.
disclaimer....LadyC this post is not speaking directly to you.
This is why no fence or the "paid under the table" border patrol is going to keep them out. We need to hit the employers and hit them hard.
Now, that gets into an economic issue and is what makes the whole thing hard to deal with and solve.
Funny enough there are illegals in this country from every nation in Latin America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Middle East ... and *gasp* even Europe ...
I know most come from Mexico ... but it never fails that this type of discussion only focuses on them and not the thousands of others ....
It's overt racism in my opinion.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:17 AM
Funny enough there are illegals in this country from every nation in Latin America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Middle East ... and *gasp* even Europe ...
I know most come from Mexico ... but it never fails that this type of discussion only focuses on them and not the thousands of others ....
It's overt racism in my opinion.
Whatever Daniel. We have criminal issues with them in Texas!
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 09:19 AM
Funny enough there are illegals in this country from every nation in Latin America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Middle East ... and *gasp* even Europe ...
I know most come from Mexico ... but it never fails that this type of discussion only focuses on them and not the thousands of others ....
It's overt racism in my opinion.
I grew up in the south and the illegals from Mexico are all I have ever known of and I believe it is safe to say that the vast majority of illegals are from Mexico. Especially in the south.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:22 AM
Would you care to venture a guess on percentages?
Percentage on how many illegals from Mexico are here or percentage of posters that are actually prejudice? :killinme
Would you care to venture a guess on percentages?
I will get them in a few ...
Most who want the Mexicans out can't differentiate if they're legal or illegal based on appearance ... as they can't differentiate between an illegal El Salvadorian ... illegal Dominican ... or Colombian ....
Illegals in the minds of many has one face.
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 09:24 AM
Percentage on how many illegals from Mexico are here or percentage of posters that are actually prejudice? :killinme
The percentage of posters who are prejudice would vary from poster to poster as some are more willing to pre-judge others as prejudice than others are.
I say round em all up, put em in chartered buses, make a pass through the Taco Bell drive through for lunch, then drive em back across the border.
However don't do this until you actually build the cotton pickin 700 mile border fence that was already supposed to be built.
I am all for legal immigration but our nation is being overrun with illegal immigration and a hard line stance needs to be taken to stop the flow.
Finishing the fence would accomplish the stopping of the flow, for the most part. What benefit would rounding them all up, putting them in chartered buses, making a pass through Taco Bell (a racist comment, imo), and driving them back across the border solve, compared to giving them legal status, issuing them legit social security numbers, and letting them make lives for themselves and become part of the tax base in this country?
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 09:26 AM
I will get them in a few ...
Most who want the Mexicans out can't differentiate if they're legal or illegal base on appearance ... as they can't differentiate between an illegal El Salvadorian ... illegal Dominican ... or Colombian ....
Well personally I am have a stance of equal opportunity no matter what nationality any illegal might be.
Funny enough there are illegals in this country from every nation in Latin America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Middle East ... and *gasp* even Europe ...
I know most come from Mexico ... but it never fails that this type of discussion only focuses on them and not the thousands of others ....
It's overt racism in my opinion.
Dan, that is why I put quotes around "Mexicans" in my first post. I've been waiting to see who point out what you just pointed out. ;)
Well personally I am have a stance of equal opportunity no matter what nationality any illegal might be.
Commendations.
Dan, that is why I put quotes around "Mexicans" in my first post. I've been waiting to see who point out what you just pointed out. ;)
That's because an illegal in the minds of most has one face ... even if they got a green card or not.
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 09:31 AM
i dont have a problem with anyone that is in this country legally, i have a problem with all that are here illegally, no matter where they are from, dt
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:34 AM
That's because an illegal in the minds of most has one face ... even if they got a green card or not.
I don't respect dishonest or lazy white people, blacks, Mexicans, yellow, pink or polka dotted people.
i dont have a problem with anyone that is in this country legally, i have a problem with all that are here illegally, no matter where they are from, dt
Well let's start w/ rounding up the illegal European au pairs, then. I don't think we should foot the airplane flight ... give 'em a dingy, one paddle and von boyage.
I don't respect dishonest or lazy white people, blacks, Mexicans, yellow, pink or polka dotted people.
More commendations.
That's because an illegal in the minds of most has one face ... even if they got a green card or not.
Dan, one of these guys actually tried to blame the entire healthcare crisis in this country on "these Mexicans!" When I pointed out that yes, illegal aliens are part of the problem with healthcare in this country, but the real problem is that the whole system is profit based and being run by money hungry HMOs and insurance companies it went right over his head and under his feet.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:39 AM
Well let's start w/ rounding up the illegal European au pairs, then. I don't think we should foot the airplane flight ... give 'em a dingy, one paddle and von boyage.
If the European is not here on a Visa, then yes - send them back! It's easier for a Mexican to get into America or wait, since China has the Panama Canal - anyone can get through, via South America.
Dan, one of these guys actually tried to blame the entire healthcare crisis in this country on "these Mexicans!" When I pointed out that yes, illegal aliens are part of the problem with healthcare in this country, but the real problem is that the whole system is profit based and being run by money hungry HMOs and insurance companies it went right over his head and under his feet.
Maybe he no comprende ingles.
Well let's start w/ rounding up the illegal European au pairs, then. I don't think we should foot the airplane flight ... give 'em a dingy, one paddle and von boyage.
No. That's what needs to be done with the Cubans that have taken over Miami!! LOL!
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:42 AM
More commendations.
Gasp, I just noticed your LAST NAME!!!!!!!!! I can't post with you anymore. No, wait, it was your picture! It wouldn't be ethical!!! :tease
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 09:42 AM
Well let's start w/ rounding up the illegal European au pairs, then. I don't think we should foot the airplane flight ... give 'em a dingy, one paddle and von boyage.
no need to act smart dan, but if that is how you get them out of here, then do it, i believe in immigration, LEGAL immigration, so should you, dt
Cindy
03-07-2008, 09:43 AM
We go with what we know and that is not racist. Texas is overun by illegal immigrants that usually arrive here via Mexico, doesn't mean they are all from Mexico. But then if anyone says anything then someone's defensive racism comes out. It goes both ways.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:45 AM
Maybe he no comprende ingles.
You're sounding a little prejudice yourself, Dan the man. That's the type of comment that white people see as racial toward us. Just thought you might want to know that. :D
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 09:45 AM
We go with what we know and that is not racist. Texas is overun by illegal immigrants that usually arrive here via Mexico, doesn't mean they are all from Mexico. But then if anyone says anything then someone's defensive racism comes out. It goes both ways.
very true, sis, i live very close to several indian reservations, and know many of the people, they are more prejudice toward the non indian people than the non indians are to them, it is just silly, and sad, dt
I've always wondered if the outrage would be as vehement if the "illegals" all had blond hair and blue eyes.
Well, I guess the cat is finally out of the bag. The reason I started this thread is because I believe the root of many people's opinions on illegal immigration is prejudice. Everything revolves around rounding them up and deporting them when that option obviously isn't feasible. There are better options than that. I agree, we need to seal the border, and not just because of Mexicans. Anyone can cross the southern border relatively easily, including terrorists. Let's get the border sealed, get the illegals already here legalized so they can be added to the tax base, and let them pursue their dreams like the rest of us, so we can move on.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:47 AM
I've always wondered if the outrages would be as vehement if the "illegals" all had blond hair and blue eyes.
Got a Dorito on your shoulder? :ursofunny
no need to act smart dan, but if that is how you get them out of here, then do it, i believe in immigration, LEGAL immigration, so should you, dt
Hold on DT ... who says I'm smart?? or even don't believe in LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
Got a Dorito on your shoulder? :ursofunny
No ... tostones ... fried green plantains .. typical from the Caribbean.
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 09:49 AM
Hold on DT ... who says I'm smart?? or even don't believe in LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
i apologize dan i meant smart aleck, lol, i hope you do beleive in legal immigration, lol, i think rico is on the right track, get r done, lol
Cindy
03-07-2008, 09:49 AM
I've always wondered if the outrages would be as vehement if the "illegals" all had blond hair and blue eyes.
I dunno maybe.
Oprah did a show about that once and it was really brought home when all light haired/eyed people were treated differently than the others. And I mean it was emotionally shown how they were effected to the point of tears for some.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:49 AM
Well, I guess the cat is finally out of the bag. The reason I started this thread is because I believe the root of many people's opinions on illegal immigration is prejudice. Everything revolves around rounding them up and deporting them when that option obviously isn't feasible. There are better options than that. I agree, we need to seal the border, and not just because of Mexicans. Anyone can cross the southern border relatively easily, including terrorists. Let's get the border sealed, get the illegals already here legalized so they can be added to the tax base, and let them pursue their dreams like the rest of us, so we can move on.
Nope, not true. We don't want criminal activity in this country. No documentation allows them to do whatever they want and no accountability! That is OUR issue in TEXAS, Rico!!!
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:50 AM
No ... tostones ... fried green plantains .. typical from the Caribbean.
:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
You're sounding a little prejudice yourself, Dan the man. That's the type of comment that white people see as racial toward us. Just thought you might want to know that. :D
I gotta confess ... I'm PREJUDICED
AGAINST IGNORANCE !!!
Cindy
03-07-2008, 09:51 AM
I am not prejudiced against nationality or skin color. I however am very prejudiced against bad attitudes.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 09:59 AM
I gotta confess ... I'm PREJUDICED
AGAINST IGNORANCE !!!
I know! Sometimes you annoy me too!
:ursofunny:ursofunny
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 10:02 AM
I dunno maybe.
Oprah did a show about that once and it was really brought home when all light haired/eyed people were treated differently than the others. And I mean it was emotionally shown how they were effected to the point of tears for some.
There is truth in this. Although it doesn't make my daughter cry, she is catered too everywhere she goes because of her blonde hair and blue eyes. Sometimes that it not always annoying. lol
Cindy
03-07-2008, 10:04 AM
But if we can't be predjudiced by appearances how will we know who to be prejudiced against?............
totally tic..........:D
Nope, not true. We don't want criminal activity in this country. No documentation allows them to do whatever they want and no accountability! That is OUR issue in TEXAS, Rico!!!
Did I mention your name???? There's an old saying about throwing a rock into a pack of dogs and the first one to yelp......................................:D
Just giving you a hard time! :D I didn't have you in mind when I made that post. If you will notice, I didn't say ALL. I said MANY. When presented with a better alternative and the only solution one can see is to round them all up no matter what it costs to do so, then it isn't hard to see that there's more behind the argument than what is being presented. KWIM?
But if we can't be predjudiced by appearances how will we know who to be prejudiced against?............
totally tic..........:D
Just do like I do. I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY!!!! :D
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 10:12 AM
Just do like I do. I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY!!!! :D
thats funny rico, dont beleieve that for a minute you are probably the life of the party, lol,dt
COOPER
03-07-2008, 10:40 AM
Funny enough there are illegals in this country from every nation in Latin America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Middle East ... and *gasp* even Europe ...
I know most come from Mexico ... but it never fails that this type of discussion only focuses on them and not the thousands of others ....
It's overt racism in my opinion.
Depends on where you live. In Amarillo they aint coming from Europe!:laffatu
Just do like I do. I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY!!!! :D
Rico the Curmudgeon.
COOPER
03-07-2008, 10:43 AM
Are there many illegals crossing from Canada???
Seriously what are the statistics?
COOPER
03-07-2008, 10:44 AM
Rico the Curmudgeon.
Ah, he is an equal opportunity racist! J/K-tic:ursofunny
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 11:05 AM
Well let's start w/ rounding up the illegal European au pairs, then. I don't think we should foot the airplane flight ... give 'em a dingy, one paddle and von boyage.
I don't understand who this statement is not overtly racist if you consider other similar statements to be so as well.
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 11:09 AM
So let me get this straight.
it is racist and ignorant when speaking on a subject to speak of the area where the vast majority of the problem stems from?
These are old stats from 1996 .... based mainly on Census data ...
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Mexico is the leading source country of undocumented immigration to the United States.
In October 1996 an estimated 2.7 million undocumented immigrants from Mexico had established residence here (See Table 1).
Mexican undocumented immigrants constituted about 54 percent of the total undocumented population.
The estimated population from Mexico increased by just over
150,000 annually in both the 1988-92 and 1992-96 periods.
The estimated number of Mexican undocumented immigrants who arrived between 1990 and 1996 is based on data on country of birth and year of immigration collected by the Census Bureau in the
March 1994, 1995, and 1996 Current Population Surveys (CPS). (http://209.85.207.104/graphics/exec/leaving.asp?http://www.census.gov/apsd/techdoc/cps/cps-main.html)Demographic analysis of the CPS data indicates that approximately 230,000 undocumented Mexican immigrants established
residence annually between 1990 and 1996.
This is the net annual addition of undocumented Mexicans who arrived during the period. Note, however, that it does not reflect the average annual growth of the Mexican undocumented population.
To compute average annual growth it is necessary to subtract the number of undocumented Mexicans who lived here in January 1990 and
who emigrated, died, or adjusted to legal permanent resident status during the 1990-96 period. This
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last step produces the estimate cited above of just over 150,000 annual growth of the Mexican undocumented population since 1988.
In October 1996, 15 countries were each the source of 40,000 or more undocumented immigrants
(See Table 1).
The top five countries are geographically close to the United States--Mexico, El
Salvador, Guatemala, Canada, and Haiti. Of the top 15 countries, only the Philippines, Poland, and Pakistan are outside the Western Hemisphere. The estimated undocumented population from Poland has declined by more than 25 percent, from 95,000 to 70,000, since 1988, possibly
reflecting changed conditions in that country over the last several years.
Although undocumented immigrants come to the United States from all countries the world, relatively few countries add substantially to the population.
The annual growth of the undocumented
population can be grouped into four disparate categories:
1) Mexico, with more than half of the
annual growth, adds just over 150,000 undocumented residents each year;
2) six countries--El
Salvador, Guatemala, Canada, Haiti, Honduras, and the Dominican Republic--each add between 6,000 and 12,000 annually;
3) thirteen countries each add about 2,000 to 4,000 annually; and 4) the
remaining approximately 200 other countries add a total of about 30,000 undocumented residents
each year (See Table 1).
A large majority of the additions each year, more than 80 percent, are
from countries in the Western Hemisphere.
http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:dsaaSEtWuA0J:www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf+estimated+illegal+aliens+by+country+gu atemala+el+salvador&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
Funny enough there are illegals in this country from every nation in Latin America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Middle East ... and *gasp* even Europe ...
I know most come from Mexico ... but it never fails that this type of discussion only focuses on them and not the thousands of others ....
It's overt racism in my opinion.
It focuses on Mexican illegals because they make up the vast majority of illegal aliens. The proximity of Mexico and our lack of will to enforce the border has created this situation.
Don't act like it is us picking on poor lil ole Mexicans. I don't know the stat off the top of my head but I am willing to be they make up at least 90% of illegal immigrants.
To use stats from 1992-1996 is using stats from a whole other reality than what is going on now and has over the last few years.
I don't understand who this statement is not overtly racist if you consider other similar statements to be so as well.
It's parody DG ... I'm parroting what I hear from those who make the illegal issue about MEXICANS. Same rhetoric.
Mrs. LPW
03-07-2008, 11:15 AM
Are there many illegals crossing from Canada???
Seriously what are the statistics?
Anyone crossing from Canada has to be :nutso :nutso
;)
So let me get this straight.
it is racist and ignorant when speaking on a subject to speak of the area where the vast majority of the problem stems from?
No. That's not what's being said.
Anyone crossing from Canada has to be :nutso :nutso ;)
Canadians are so very UNAMERICAN!!! ;)
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 11:24 AM
No. That's not what's being said.
It sure seemed like that is what DA was saying.
If this is not what he was saying then he should work on speaking with more clarity.
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 11:26 AM
Canadians are so very UNAMERICAN!!! ;)
My experience has been that immigrants (illegal or not) fall into 2 categories.
They either love this nation, are glad to be here and thankful for what this nation has to offer or they want what this nation has to offer and yet hate it.
Mrs. LPW
03-07-2008, 11:30 AM
Canadians are so very UNAMERICAN!!! ;)
Yeah, we're bad for that. ;)
My point is this ... whenever this topic comes up ... many of the xenophobes hide behind this issue ... and guise their prejudices under national security ... and other things ... and say let's send 'em all back to Mexico ... w/ tacos from Taco bell.
the problem is 35-40% (conservatively) are not from Mexico ... we're going to send them to a country that's not their home????? Hello.
Is the issue.... illegal aliens ... for some ... or is it that they fear/despise a face, culture, and language they deem unAmerican?
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 11:37 AM
Yeah, we're bad for that. ;)
I think they are still a little miffed about that 1812 thing. :)
It focuses on Mexican illegals because they make up the vast majority of illegal aliens. The proximity of Mexico and our lack of will to enforce the border has created this situation.
Don't act like it is us picking on poor lil ole Mexicans. I don't know the stat off the top of my head but I am willing to be they make up at least 90% of illegal immigrants.
To use stats from 1992-1996 is using stats from a whole other reality than what is going on now and has over the last few years.
The xenophobes on talk radio were saying this in the 90's too... give me a break.
we're Being Invaded!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 11:42 AM
The xenophobes on talk radio were saying this in the 90's too... give me a break.
Uh... that's because it is still going on and it is still true.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 11:43 AM
we're Being Invaded!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
Got a Dorito on your shoulder?
:bliss
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 11:43 AM
Yeah, we're bad for that. ;)
I think they are still a little miffed about that 1812 thing. :)
:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 11:44 AM
:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
Some may not have enough of a sense of humor to find this funny but I think it is hilarious. These guys did a good job.
The War Of 1812 - By 3 Dead Trolls In A Baggie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jlFZhprU4
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 11:57 AM
Some may not have enough of a sense of humor to find this funny but I think it is hilarious. These guys did a good job.
The War Of 1812 - By 3 Dead Trolls In A Baggie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jlFZhprU4
:smack :smack
Got a Dorito on your shoulder?
:bliss
No, just some yuca ... that's cassava .... for you gringos
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 11:59 AM
No, just some yuca ... that's cassava .... for you gringos
RACIAL ALERT!!!!!!! RACIAL ALERT!!!!!!!!
:bliss:bliss:bliss
Praxeas
03-07-2008, 11:59 AM
I am a ham operator, and I just participated in a conversation about the issue of illegal immigration. One of the participants feels that the best solution to the problem would be to round all the "Mexicans" up and ship them back to Mexico. Another person thinks it would be a good idea to clear our jails of all the illegal immigrants, and he also thinks that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from even those with college degrees.
With the one who thinks we should round them all up and ship them out, I tried to make the point that, from a logistical standpoint, it would be a nightmare to round up the 12-14 million illegal immigrants we have in this country and send them back to Mexico, not to mention how much it would cost. He went on and on and on about how they're not paying taxes, contributing to our economy, etc., etc. We need to seal the border, etc., etc. I told him I agreed with him that we need to seal the border, but a better solution would be to offer amnesty to the illegals who are already in the country once we get the border sealed. That way they don't have to live in hiding, taxes taken out of their paychecks will actually find its way into the system, they would have more of an incentive to learn English. I also tried to point out that, even though they are illegals, they are still contributing to the economy because they buy food, gasoline, cars, and shop at Wal Mart for clothes and their necessities just like the citizens do. Rounding them all up would eliminate 12-14 millions consumers from our economy and how can that help us?
The more this guy talked the more I began to suspect that he's really a racist. The thing that got me to thinking this way was when he resorted to complaining about how the Mexicans send some of the money they make back to their families. I basically told him that it was their money, they earned it, and, if they want to send it back to their families in Mexico then who am I to condemn them for doing it. I asked him if he thought anyone should have the right to tell him what he should do with his paycheck and that pretty much ended my conversation with him. LOL!
I don't think the other fella is a racist. He did make a good point about sending illegal aliens back to their native country upon being convicted of a crime. I don't have any argument against that. What didn't make sense to me is when he tried to blame illegal immigrants for taking jobs from Americans with college degrees. They're not coming over here and landing jobs in corporate America! They, the illegal immigrants, are working on farms, in restaurants, in construction, at meat plants and other factory type jobs. that part of his argument didn't make any sense to me.
So, my question for all of you is what do you think the solution to the immigration problem is? Should we seal up the border, round them all up, and send them home? Should we seal the border, clear our jails of illegals, and give amnesty to those already here? Do you think illegal aliens are taking jobs away from college educated Americans? What's the answer?
We need to protect our borders better. Mexico needs to fix it's "two class" system of the very rich and very poor instead of passing them on to us. The mexican gov is harsh with us on Illegal immigrant issues yet they do nothing to provide for those poor except give them a lunch, map and instruction booklet on how to evade the border patrol on their way here....all the while violently protecting it's south border.
They are a bunch of hypocrites and corrupt politicians. There are better systems to use than a stupid fence that they will just climb over or cut through. Passive systems that use sound weapons or heat ray weapons (the last one is still be tested) that operate based on infrared detection of incoming illegals and turn them back with non lethal actions. All we need then is a road between the towers and regular maintenance and monitoring.
The illegals that are here? No amnesty. Their children will be citizens though. Once the gain amnesty they are citizens and can demand unionization and wages like the rest of America which will then force those companies to look for other ways to bring cheap labor in the US and then we have a underground black market looking for other ways to come in. It's those businesses that really drive the illegal immigration
Praxeas
03-07-2008, 12:00 PM
No, just some yuca ... that's cassava .... for you gringos
I would call it Yuca since I live in S Cali and we even have a street called Yuca (I thought it was Yucca)
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 12:00 PM
No, just some yuca ... that's cassava .... for you gringos
See...
You run a double standard.
But.. I have to give you this... you run a consistent double standard.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:01 PM
See...
You run a double standard.
But.. I have to give you this... you run a consistent double standard.
:ursofunny:ursofunny
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 12:01 PM
RACIAL ALERT!!!!!!! RACIAL ALERT!!!!!!!!
:bliss:bliss:bliss
Ain't that the truth.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:02 PM
I would call it Yuca since I live in S Cali and we even have a street called Yuca (I thought it was Yucca)
It is Yucca. He's Mexican and can't spell.
RACIAL ALERT!!!! RACIAL ALERT!!!
:bliss:bliss
It is Yucca. He's Mexican and can't spell.
RACIAL ALERT!!!! RACIAL ALERT!!!
:bliss:bliss
Alrighty then ...
Another smackdown ...
It's yuca ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassava
And I'm an American ...
with Puerto Rican and Dominican Heritage.
See...
You run a double standard.
But.. I have to give you this... you run a consistent double standard.
It's not my fault you're a gringo, gringo.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:06 PM
Alrighty then ...
Another smackdown ...
It's yuca ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassava
And I'm an American ...
with Puerto Rican and Dominican Heritage.
We are both right, my dark skinned brutha!!
n.
Any of various evergreen plants of the genus Yucca, native to the warmer regions of North America, having often tall stout stems and a terminal cluster of white flowers.
[From New Latin Iucca, genus name, from Spanish yuca, cassava, from Taino.]
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:07 PM
It's not my fault you're a gringo, gringo.
It's not our fault that you aren't, either!!
:bliss:bliss:bliss
It's not our fault that you aren't, either!!
:bliss:bliss:bliss
No ... I'm a gringo. :kickcan
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 12:08 PM
It's not my fault you're a gringo, gringo.
Would it problematic if I were to refer to you as a mojado?
If so... why the difference?
Would it problematic if I were to refer to you as a mojado?
If so... why the difference?
I was mojado when I got baptized ...
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:10 PM
No ... I'm a gringo. :kickcan
No you aren't!
:bliss:bliss
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 12:11 PM
I was mojado when I got baptized ...
Then you have no problem with people using that term in conversation in the context it was presented in my post?
No you aren't!
:bliss:bliss
O si ... I was born on the island of ....................
Manhattan.
Then you have no problem with people using that term in conversation in the context it was presented in my post?
My problem on this thread was never over semantics Dig ... but examining the prejudices behind those who would like to see mass deportations ... etc.
Praxeas
03-07-2008, 12:12 PM
O si ... I was born on the island of ....................
Manhattan.
Dan was that guy in the movie Warriors "Waaaaaaarrioorrrrrrs.....come out and plAYY AYYYYYYYY"
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:13 PM
O si ... I was born on the island of ....................
Manhattan.
LOL! I don't care if you were born in a manger - you aren't a Gringo! It ain't happenin'. Get over it!
:bliss:bliss
Praxeas
03-07-2008, 12:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u05Qot_yh9c
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:15 PM
My problem on this thread was never over semantics Dig ... but examining the prejudices behind those who would like to see mass deportations ... etc.
Mass deportations of "criminals"! That is what we want! Don't come to our country, milk the system, not pay taxes and NOT be on record. We want documentation! That's it!
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u05Qot_yh9c
:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 12:16 PM
My problem on this thread was never over semantics Dig ... but examining the prejudices behind those who would like to see mass deportations ... etc.
The mass deportation of those who have broken the law and are here illegally and, ergo, possess no legal right to be here.
Why would anyone have a problem with that.
The mass deportation of those who are here legally and have every right to live and work here would be a HUGE problem and I would be right by your side fighting it.
Illegal is illegal. Breaking the law has consequences. The recompense the law requires should be exacted upon those who break that law.
Who would be against that?
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:17 PM
The mass deportation of those who have broken the law and are here illegally and, ergo, possess no legal right to be here.
Why would anyone have a problem with that.
The mass deportation of those who are here legally and have every right to live and work here would be a HUGE problem and I would be right by your side fighting it.
Illegal is illegal. Breaking the law has consequences. The recompense the law requires should be exacted upon those who break that law.
Who would be against that?
Amen, that will preach!!!!
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u05Qot_yh9c
I had to watch this again!!!!
:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 12:24 PM
dan when i was in northern mexico a couple times the mexicans called people gringos as a swear word, lol
HeavenlyOne
03-07-2008, 12:28 PM
LOL! I don't care if you were born in a manager - you aren't a Gringo! It ain't happenin'. Get over it!
:bliss:bliss
Maybe his momma was a manager..........
:D
COOPER
03-07-2008, 12:32 PM
Alright then ...
Another smackdown ...
It's yuca ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassava
And I'm an American ...
with Puerto Rican and Dominican Heritage.
So you would fit right in the George Lopez show on the his wife side.
:friend
Which reminds me......a brother back in Virginia could make some awesome Puerto Rican Rice with sausage....Mmm Mmm....Good!
We had many Latino families at my old church, Some from Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba.
Our church was very mixed.
We had; Filipino, Jamaican, Asian, whites, Blacks and even had a few regular Mormon visitors too. LOL
And we had a few Italian families too, one of the wives were from Spain.
A good friend of mine is a Legal Immigrant from Romania. He was so proud to be an American.
dan when i was in northern mexico a couple times the mexicans called people gringos as a swear word, lol
Funny ... never heard it as such ...
maybe w/ an adjective attached like ...
p----- gringo.
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 12:38 PM
Maybe his momma was a manager..........
:D
I thought something didn't look right!!!
:ursofunny:ursofunny
So you would fit right in the George Lopez show on the his wife side.
:friend
I think she's Cuban on the show ... that's a beautiful woman, btw.
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 12:38 PM
Funny ... never heard it as such ...
maybe w/ adjective attached like ...
p----- gringo.
we were told by the locales that the reference to yanks , etc as gringos, was derogatory, lol, dt
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 12:40 PM
we were told by the locales that the reference to yanks , etc as gringos, was derogatory, lol, dt
It is... hands down.
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 12:41 PM
It is... hands down.
i remember them calling my wife little gringo woman cause she was a tough dealer when buying stuff, little gringo woman with much disdain, lol,no kidding, dt
It is... hands down.
Nah ... another debatable topic.
Gringo (feminine, gringa) is a term in the Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language) and Portuguese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language) languages used in some countries of Latin America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America) to refer to foreigners from different cultures, particularly English-speakers, and especially from the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), although it can also refer to people from Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), the United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom), Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand), and other countries, including in some cases other countries of Latin America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America) itself.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-rae)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-thd)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-cff)
Some disagreement exists among English speakers regarding whether gringo is a derogatory term. The American Heritage Dictionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Heritage_Dictionary) and other English dictionaries classify the term as "offensive slang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slang)", "usually disparaging" or "often disparaging".[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-0) The term gringo does lend itself to derogatory, paternalistic or endearing connotations sometimes, depending on the context and the intent of the user.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-thd)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-cff) However, many native speakers who use it do not do so pejoratively,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-thd)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-cff) as is also the case with some English speakers.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-1)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-imd) The enunciation of the word can often give away whether it was meant in a derogatory manner or not.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-rae)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-thd)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-cff) There is furthermore some variation in the connotation of this word from country to country within Latin America,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#_note-thd) and between Latin America and the Anglosphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo
C'mon put your hands up!!!
Mrs. LPW
03-07-2008, 12:43 PM
Some may not have enough of a sense of humor to find this funny but I think it is hilarious. These guys did a good job.
The War Of 1812 - By 3 Dead Trolls In A Baggie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jlFZhprU4
I laughed and laughed and laughed some more!!!!!!!
Thank you for being fun Digging!
COOPER
03-07-2008, 12:44 PM
I think she's Cuban on the show ... that's a beautiful woman, btw.
Yes she is. My 16 year old boy loves her. LOL!
Yes she is. My 16 year old boy loves her. LOL!
Smart gringo ... he's got good taste.
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 12:46 PM
I laughed and laughed and laughed some more!!!!!!!
Thank you for being fun Digging!
They did a great job... LOL
There is another video of the performing the song in the United States... they were funny. But they had a little language in that one so I used this one.
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 12:47 PM
sounds overtly racist to me danny boy, lol,dt:laffatu
Mrs. LPW
03-07-2008, 12:55 PM
They did a great job... LOL
There is another video of the performing the song in the United States... they were funny. But they had a little language in that one so I used this one.
I especially liked the hockey team with the little "talk bubbles" popping up..... "whaa" "whaa" "whaaa" "sob"
I have a strange sense of humor.
Digging4Truth
03-07-2008, 12:56 PM
I especially liked the hockey team with the little "talk bubbles" popping up..... "whaa" "whaa" "whaaa" "sob"
I have a strange sense of humor.
And did you notice the diaper on each of them? :ursofunny
Pressing-On
03-07-2008, 01:00 PM
Daniel A! You've been a great sport in this thread!! I appreciate you for it!!:tiphat
Mrs. LPW
03-07-2008, 01:02 PM
And did you notice the diaper on each of them? :ursofunny
oh shoot I'll have to watch it the third time, I missed that!
Daniel A! You've been a great sport in this thread!! I appreciate you for it!!:tiphat
Yeah, yeah, yeah. :kickcan
DividedThigh
03-07-2008, 01:12 PM
nice boy , danny, you are really, lol,dt:bliss
Cindy
03-07-2008, 01:55 PM
oh shoot I'll have to watch it the third time, I missed that!
Ya better be careful you could get addicted to YouTube.............:D
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