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Ron
03-11-2008, 11:24 AM
Check out the video, it is only 10 minutes long but speaks volumes.
Backed up with reports from mainstream media.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo&feature=email

Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 11:31 AM
Where are the black helicopters...

Somebody get Ron a foil hat.

:)

Just kidding.

I wanted to see what it felt like to dismiss something out of hand and make baseless condescending remarks about the author just because it was something I didn't necessarily agree with.

:)

And... FYI... It didn't feel good. I don't see what people get out of it myself. :)

Ron
03-11-2008, 11:32 AM
Where are the black helicopters...

Somebody get Ron a foil hat.

:)

Just kidding.

I wanted to see what it felt like to dismiss something out of hand and make baseless condescending remarks about the author just because it was something I didn't necessarily agree with.

:)

And... FYI... It didn't feel good. I don't see what people get out of it myself. :)

What about the message?

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 11:36 AM
What about the message?

These things are indeed going on and those who are behind it want to move as silently as they can.

If the entirety of what they do were known up front then the people would rise up against it but they present it to us in small "acceptable" bites (via the Hegellian Dialectic) and we take it in, one bite at a time hook, line & sinker.

It is a sad state how we blindly facilitate our own poisons.

Ron
03-11-2008, 11:37 AM
These things are indeed going on and those who are behind it want to move as silently as they can.

If the entirety of what they do were known up front then the people would rise up against it but they present it to us in small "acceptable" bites (via the Hegellian Dialectic) and we take it in, one bite at a time hook, line & sinker.

It is a sad state how we blindly facilitate our own poisons.

Amen!!

berkeley
03-11-2008, 11:39 AM
I believe that the gov't is going to have more control in the lives of the people. I do not believe it has anything to do with the end-time.. and I do not believe that the chip is the mark of the beast. We are just seeing history repeat itself... can't be the world power forever.. etc.

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 11:48 AM
I believe that the gov't is going to have more control in the lives of the people. I do not believe it has anything to do with the end-time.. and I do not believe that the chip is the mark of the beast. We are just seeing history repeat itself... can't be the world power forever.. etc.

Indeed... 2 true quotes... authors unverified.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

berkeley
03-11-2008, 11:55 AM
200 yrs... sounds like we're a little past due...

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 11:58 AM
200 yrs... sounds like we're a little past due...

Indeed... I guess it says that we did better than most but still refused to learn from history.

berkeley
03-11-2008, 12:00 PM
Indeed... I guess it says that we did better than most but still refused to learn from history.
:runhills And thus, history repeats itself... really messes up my eschatology:tissue

Ron
03-11-2008, 12:00 PM
Indeed... I guess it says that we did better than most but still refused to learn from history.

So true!

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 12:01 PM
:runhills And thus, history repeats itself... really messes up my eschatology:tissue

Well I would say that anyones eschatology could survive the concept.

No one said it would repeat itself forever... just as long as man had the opportunity.

Ron
03-11-2008, 12:02 PM
Well I would say that anyones eschatology could survive the concept.

No one said it would repeat itself forever... just as long as man had the opportunity.


God really is the one in control!

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 12:04 PM
God really is the one in control!

So is it HE that is refusing to learn from mistakes? :)

Ron
03-11-2008, 12:05 PM
So is it HE that is refusing to learn from mistakes? :)


It is he that is allowing us to have what ever Government or system we want!


Ninevah, repented at Jonahs preaching, but eventually was destroyed anyway!

berkeley
03-11-2008, 12:08 PM
It is he that is allowing us to have what ever Government or system we want!


Ninevah, repented at Jonahs preaching, but eventually was destroyed anyway!

Yeah, some people once cried out for the Lord to "...send us a king..."

berkeley
03-11-2008, 12:09 PM
Well I would say that anyones eschatology could survive the concept.

No one said it would repeat itself forever... just as long as man had the opportunity.

LoL

I was kidding. Seems like any small thing that happens, proponents of dispensationalism cry out that the end is near!

Ron
03-11-2008, 12:10 PM
Yeah, some people once cried out for the Lord to "...send us a king..."

Amen.

Sad thing is, the Republic it was supposed to be is just a shell of what it was was!

berkeley
03-11-2008, 12:13 PM
Amen.

Sad thing is, the Republic it was supposed to be is just a shell of what it was was!

Right... kinda like how many churches have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof! whoaaah.. that'll preach. :)

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 12:14 PM
It is he that is allowing us to have what ever Government or system we want!


Nineveh, repented at Jonahs preaching, but eventually was destroyed anyway!

So it would appear that at this level He, by his own choice, is not in control.

True?

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 12:15 PM
LoL

I was kidding. Seems like any small thing that happens, proponents of dispensationalism cry out that the end is near!

Indeed this is true.

berkeley
03-11-2008, 12:17 PM
Indeed this is true.

Really not trying to allow my ADD to veer off topic, but, what is your view of eschatology? Or if you can't answer, don't. :)

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 12:22 PM
Really not trying to allow my ADD to veer off topic, but, what is your view of eschatology? Or if you can't answer, don't. :)

Partial Preterist

berkeley
03-11-2008, 12:32 PM
Partial Preterist

I left a church over that once.. lol

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 12:34 PM
I left a church over that once.. lol

Because THEY were or because YOU were?

And... I guess the very answering of that question may lead to another question pertaining where stand... depending on which answer. :)

berkeley
03-11-2008, 12:36 PM
Because THEY were or because YOU were?

And... I guess the very answering of that question may lead to another question pertaining where stand... depending on which answer. :)

Because they were. I left home a dispensationalist... and seems like when I got to my destination I soon threw out disp. but remained a futurist.

Would I leave over it today, it's not probable. But, they are no longer Partial, but proponents of fulfilled/apostolic preterism.

berkeley
03-11-2008, 12:57 PM
If you need me to clarify...

Praxeas
03-11-2008, 01:00 PM
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7720/tinfoilhat2cy2.jpg

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 01:05 PM
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7720/tinfoilhat2cy2.jpg

Maybe it would have felt better if I had made the remark complete with pictures.

:)

Ron
03-11-2008, 01:11 PM
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7720/tinfoilhat2cy2.jpg

I can see Prax first in line to be "chipped!":hypercoffee



BTW thanks for posting a pic of yourself---What is your cat's name?:D

Ron
03-11-2008, 01:16 PM
So it would appear that at this level He, by his own choice, is not in control.

True?

He is always in control--by "allowing" things to come to pass & "allowing" people to make choices, isn't he still in control?:hypercoffee

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 01:20 PM
He is always in control--by "allowing" things to come to pass & "allowing" people to make choices, isn't he still in control?:hypercoffee

I would see it more as his making a choice to relinquish control.

If He is in control then a country would take the path of his choosing.

Would it not?

I have always been bewildered by the thought of God being in control of such chaos.

To me... if God is in control then things go God's way.

While, again, I do recognize that any control over any particular situation that God does not have is per His decision to relinquish said control.

In an effort to agree with you as much as I can I would say... God is in control of who is in control. :) But whomever is in control is, indeed, in control. :)

Ron
03-11-2008, 01:24 PM
I would see it more as his making a choice to relinquish control.

If He is in control then a country would take the path of his choosing.

Would it not?

I have always been bewildered by the thought of God being in control of such chaos.

To me... if God is in control then things go God's way.

While, again, I do recognize that any control over any particular situation that God does not have is per His decision to relinquish said control.

In an effort to agree with you as much as I can I would say... God is in control of who is in control. :) But whomever is in control is, indeed, in control. :)

'Semantics?":hypercoffee

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 01:26 PM
'Semantics?":hypercoffee

Quite possibly. :)

I would have no reason to suggest it went any further than that.

Great volley though. :)

TRFrance
03-11-2008, 01:27 PM
Most Americans seem to know little about the upcoming North American Union

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjsy2Z3kdI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vda1KRF75M&feature=related

Ron
03-11-2008, 01:38 PM
And one wonders why I don't trust politicians or our Governments?

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 01:38 PM
Most Americans seem to know little about the upcoming North American Union

So true...

Ooops..

I mean... nothing to see here people... just move along... nothing to see here.

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 01:38 PM
And one wonders why I don't trust politicians or our Governments?

Are the Canadians more educated on the issue of the North American Union?

Ron
03-11-2008, 01:44 PM
Are the Canadians more educated on the issue of the North American Union?

I don't know, I think Canadians are like Americans, the vast majority get thier news from mainstream media, so if it isn't reported there, they won't see it.

Although I will tell you this, while Canada is a larger Physical country that the States, our Economy, & population is one tenth the size, so for that fact alone
most Canadians are naturally "suspicious" of America. (Government, Corporations, not the people!)


Just my take on it.

TRFrance
03-11-2008, 01:51 PM
Are the Canadians more educated on the issue of the North American Union?

I get the impression that they are.
Seems like I see a lot more Canadian protests against the NAU, than American.

Digging4Truth
03-11-2008, 01:52 PM
I don't know, I think Canadians are like Americans, the vast majority get thier news from mainstream media, so if it isn't reported there, they won't see it.

Although I will tell you this, while Canada is a larger Physical country that the States, our Economy, & population is one tenth the size, so for that fact alone
most Canadians are naturally "suspicious" of America. (Government, Corporations, not the people!)


Just my take on it.

Yes sir... sounds like a fair enough take.

TRFrance
03-11-2008, 02:02 PM
Vicente Fox really very speaks clearly in favor of the North American Union idea again in this video... especially after the 2 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyq4gzvAeRc&feature=related

Former Mexican President Vicente Fox has some interesting comments on the idea of a Union of the Americas with one currency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYGrn0hZlCQ

COOPER
03-11-2008, 02:16 PM
http://www.digitalangel.com/