Spitzer Spritzer

[Dora]

Spitzer is about to resign. Wonder if his wife will be standing by his side today?

[SDG]

Spitzer is about to resign. Wonder if his wife will be standing by his side today?

Good question.

[DividedThigh]

doubt it, i read that she is a nice person and a good mother, so sad for her, he is a piece of work, i know people who have talked to him, not good, dt

[Dora]

Yep! There she is...

She looks shattered...so sad.

[Jehoram]

Why do women "stand by" the men who treat them this way? And what kind of sicko would even ask his hurting wife to show her face in public in the middle of all this?

[MissBrattified]

Yep! There she is...

She looks shattered...so sad.

I don't know if I could do what some of those politician's wives do, stand next to them when they announce their immorality to the world. He didn't even look all that sorry, if you ask me, just sorry he was caught.

:kickcan

Maybe if he was standing there with two black eyes, then I could do it, and the world would know he'd had to answer for it, and I'd have a little pride left and even muster up a grin. :coffee2

Maybe that isn't the Christian response. :D

[DividedThigh]

yeah i just watched his little speech and she was there, what a brave woman, god help her, dt

[tamor]

She looked so sad and humiliated in his original "apology" speech. My heart hurt for her.

[Pressing-On]

Hopefully it was part of the divorce settlement. "Yes, I will stand there like I care, but this is what you are going to do next and this is what I get....."

[DividedThigh]

Hopefully it was part of the divorce settlement. "Yes, I will stand there like I care, but this is what you are going to do next and this is what I get....."

wow, i only hope you are right, lol,dt:laffatu

[Pressing-On]

wow, i only hope you are right, lol,dt:laffatu

Well, that's how I would have handled it. ;)

[DividedThigh]

Well, that's how I would have handled it. ;)

dont blame you for that at all sis, go girl, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

dont blame you for that at all sis, go girl, lol,dt
:thumbsup

[Dora]

Why do they make the wives go out and stand next to the jerk?

[Pressing-On]

Why do they make the wives go out and stand next to the jerk?

I would venture to say that she is threatened by the party. That is their life. If the party left her, what would she do? She doesn't want to be a loner at this time. JMO.

[DividedThigh]

Why do they make the wives go out and stand next to the jerk?

maybe the jerks need someone to help keep the focus off there jerkhood, lol,dt

[Rico]

Maybe she actually believes in "til death do us part" and is willing to forgive her husband. Have any of you "Christian" women considered that?

[DividedThigh]

Maybe she actually believes in "til death do us part" and is willing to forgive her husband. Have any of you "Christian" women considered that?

i cant answer for the women, but i think she is forgiving to some degree to even be seen with him now, lol,dt

[MissBrattified]

Maybe she actually believes in "til death do us part" and is willing to forgive her husband. Have any of you "Christian" women considered that?

I'm not criticizing her for standing by her man. I just don't think I have what it takes to do that. I haven't ever been in that position, so I can't say for certain.

[Pressing-On]

Maybe she actually believes in "til death do us part" and is willing to forgive her husband. Have any of you "Christian" women considered that?

No, it never would have occurred to me. :D

[Rico]

No, it never would have occurred to me. :D


I figured as much............................;)

[Dora]

I don't know if I could be so charitable...

But when kids are involved I guess you think twice about shattering your family even further.

[Pressing-On]

I figured as much............................;)
Rico, my first thought wouldn't even be divorce.



































It would be murder in the first degree.

:bliss

[tamor]

I'm not criticizing her for standing by her man. I just don't think I have what it takes to do that. I haven't ever been in that position, so I can't say for certain.

I think you do. We do alot in the heat of the moment that we don't want to, just to try to "save face". My guess is, she won't be standing so closely when all this public stuff is over.

[Rico]

Rico, my first thought wouldn't even be divorce.



































It would be murder in the first degree.

:bliss

I figured as much........................................:D

[TRFrance]

Client number 9 might soon be looking for wife number 2.

I feel worse for his wife and kids, than for him actually.

[Rico]

I think you do. We do alot in the heat of the moment that we don't want to, just to try to "save face". My guess is, she won't be standing so closely when all this public stuff is over.

Meaningless sex with prostitutes is much easier to forgive than an actual love affair, in my opinion. Not trying to minimize what he did, mind you, but there is a difference.

[tamor]

Meaningless sex with prostitutes is much easier to forgive than an actual love affair, in my opinion. Not trying to minimize what he did, mind you, but there is a difference.

I agree there is a difference, but there is more than just the meaningless sex. The sex, the lies, the deceit....

[DividedThigh]

been thru that, cant tolerate it again, imho, dt

[Dora]

ADMIN - can you correct my typo? Make the thread title "Spitzer Spritzer"

Thank you so much!
Dora

[TRFrance]

As an interesting side-note, Spitzer is a Democratic superdelegate who was going to commit to Hillary Clinton at the upcoming convention. Of course, he loses that position by resigning as NY governor.

So this is one superdelegate that wont be there to pledge for Hillary, so it's almost like Obama getting one more delegate on his side.

[Pressing-On]

Meaningless sex with prostitutes is much easier to forgive than an actual love affair, in my opinion. Not trying to minimize what he did, mind you, but there is a difference.

You have a point and as their lives are in the higher echelon, she might not really care about what he did as long as they lived and rubbed shoulders in high society. There is a price that must be paid.

[Pressing-On]

As an interesting side-note, Spitzer is a Democratic superdelegate who was going to commit to Hillary Clinton at the upcoming convention. Of course, he loses that position by resigning as NY governor.

So this is one superdelegate that wont be there to pledge for Hillary, so it's almost like Obama getting one more delegate on his side.

I read that this morning. Of course, sorry about the situation, but kinda pleased that something else is not working for Billary.

[TRFrance]

Meaningless sex with prostitutes is much easier to forgive than an actual love affair, in my opinion. Not trying to minimize what he did, mind you, but there is a difference.

I agree there is a difference, but there is more than just the meaningless sex. The sex, the lies, the deceit....

Not to mention that he was putting his wife's health at risk with the possibility of bringing home a disease to her.

[Pressing-On]

Not to mention that he was putting his wife's health at risk with the possibility of bringing home a disease to her.

The high priced call girls are checked on a regular basis. They have the best doctors.

[Dora]

Meaningless sex with prostitutes is much easier to forgive than an actual love affair, in my opinion. Not trying to minimize what he did, mind you, but there is a difference.

Pardon me while I...

HURL!!!

[Rico]

I agree there is a difference, but there is more than just the meaningless sex. The sex, the lies, the deceit....

Well, for all we know she knew about what he was doing and was ok with it. Maybe she didn't want to fulfill her wifely duty in that department and gave him the green light to see prostitutes. It wouldn't be the first time a wife agreed to let her husband go that route. We really don't know all the details. At any rate, this situation certainly has to be very embarassing for both of them.

[DividedThigh]

The high priced call girls are checked on a regular basis. They have the best doctors.

that is just to twisted, but probably true, to bad about hilary losing another vote, lol,dt

[Rico]

The high priced call girls are checked on a regular basis. They have the best doctors.

High priced is an understatement. LOL! I read that he spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $80K. That's a lot of moolah.

[Rico]

that is just to twisted, but probably true, to bad about hilary losing another vote, lol,dt


Hehehehe. Yeah. Poor Hillary! :bliss

[Pressing-On]

High priced is an understatement. LOL! I read that he spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $80K. That's a lot of moolah.
Yes, and he isn't going to spend that much on a typical street walker.

[TRFrance]

The high priced call girls are checked on a regular basis. They have the best doctors.

Yes, but even if they get tested weekly, or several times a month...they can still catch something in-between tests and pass it on to a client.

And some diseases, like herpes, can be caught and transmitted even if condoms are being used.

[DividedThigh]

Hehehehe. Yeah. Poor Hillary! :bliss

yeah, poor poor hilary, i think i am not going to cry for that fraud, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

Well, for all we know she knew about what he was doing and was ok with it. Maybe she didn't want to fulfill her wifely duty in that department and gave him the green light to see prostitutes. It wouldn't be the first time a wife agreed to let her husband go that route. We really don't know all the details. At any rate, this situation certainly has to be very embarassing for both of them.

If they were both busy and drinking AND possibly doing some drugs - cocaine - they, more than likely, didn't really care. They couldn't have really cared. I think it's a lot like that movie with Tim Allen and Kirsti Alley - For Richer, For Poorer.

[Pressing-On]

Yes, but even if they get tested weekly, or several times a month...they can still catch something in-between tests and pass it on to a client.

And some diseases, like herpes, can be caught and transmitted even if condoms are being used.

You are right, TRFrance,
Honestly, I was curious about that this morning, but I was afraid to Google the information. :D

[Mrs. LPW]

I have had the same thoughts while following this story, the past few days. I know my own personality would immediately be "boot him to the side of the road"... but I know it wouldn't take but moments after initial anger and hurt to remember the two beautiful boys I would have watching. I guess none of us can really judge what these wives do, unless we walked in their shoes.
I watched this yesterday...


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/spitzer.political.spouses.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch#cnnSTCVideo

For some reason it won't post the actual video I watched... but the one I watched was the former Governor of New Jersey's wife...
I think it's listed below "reaction" or something like that.

[tamor]

High priced is an understatement. LOL! I read that he spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $80K. That's a lot of moolah.

That's one of the things I was talking about when I said, "lies and deceit"...$80,000 is a not chump change even to a millionaire. He took the money from his wife and kids along with their dignity because of his selfish decisions.

[Rico]

Yes, and he isn't going to spend that much on a typical street walker.

I don't know much about the world of organized high priced prostitution, but I would imagine the standards are very high.

[SDG]

Why do women "stand by" the men who treat them this way? And what kind of sicko would even ask his hurting wife to show her face in public in the middle of all this?

I asked this the other day ... I don't get it.

[tamor]

I guess none of us can really judge what these wives do, unless we walked in their shoes.

Amen.

[Pressing-On]

I don't know much about the world of organized high priced prostitution, but I would imagine the standards are very high.

The girl that got me in church - that was her profession, so I know a little about it. ;)

[Rico]

That's one of the things I was talking about when I said, "lies and deceit"...$80,000 is a not chump change even to a millionaire. He took the money from his wife and kids along with their dignity because of his selfish decisions.

I think the money was spent over a significant period of time. I'm really not sure of the timeline. It's still a lot of money, any way you look at it.

[TRFrance]

Why do women "stand by" the men who treat them this way? And what kind of sicko would even ask his hurting wife to show her face in public in the middle of all this?

Maybe she still loves him and wanted to stand by him.
Nothing wrong with that.

I don't know much about the world of organized high priced prostitution, but I would imagine the standards are very high.

One article I read said that many of them are actually college-degreed professionals, who do this on the side

[TRFrance]

I don't know much about the world of organized high priced prostitution, but I would imagine the standards are very high.
The girl that got me in church - that was her profession, so I know a little about it. ;)

You mean her ex-profession, I hope :O)

[Pressing-On]

You mean her ex-profession, I hope :O)

Yes, her ex-profession. She died of a Cocaine overdose ten years ago. Baptized in Jesus Name, but she couldn't overcome her addiction.

[Rico]

Maybe she still loves him and wanted to stand by him.
Nothing wrong with that.



One article I read said that many of them are actually college-degreed professionals, who do this on the side

I am sure there is a lot of money to be made as a high priced call girl.

[Pressing-On]

Maybe she still loves him and wanted to stand by him.
Nothing wrong with that.



One article I read said that many of them are actually college-degreed professionals, who do this on the side

This is true. One way some pay their way through college! Isn't that sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TRFrance]

Yes, her ex-profession. She died of a Cocaine overdose ten years ago. Baptized in Jesus Name, but she couldn't overcome her addiction.

Wow, so sorry to hear that.
Do you know if she had received the Holy Ghost?

[Pressing-On]

I am sure there is a lot of money to be made as a high priced call girl.
And let me tell you - drugs and alcohol are a huge part of dealing with it for them.

[TRFrance]

This is true. One way some pay their way through college! Isn't that sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup. And how's this for irony ...
I think I read somewhere of one girl that hooked on the side to pay for Law School!!

[Pressing-On]

Wow, so sorry to hear that.
Do you know if she had received the Holy Ghost?
Never did. She was a gorgeous girl, high class - fit the bill, huh?

I watched her work one night at the Hyatt in Austin. She always knew the right things to say - just natural for her. So, sad she couldn't turn that into doing something for God.

Money, was so important to her. When I got in church she came to see me. She was astonished that I would take off my jewelry and makeup. We talked for a while and I told her that I had finally found myself and knew who and what I was.

She said, "Now, that you know, put your jewelry and makeup back on."

I said, "You don't understand. It doesn't work for me anymore."

I never saw her again. Just heard the news from her nephew.

[Pressing-On]

Yup. And how's this for irony ...
I think I read somewhere of one girl that hooked on the side to pay for Law School!!
Yes, but some are forced into it. I remember when UT was really going after the students for posing in Playboy for the money. That whole college environment, for many, is..... well, golden days, to say the least.

[Pressing-On]

He'd have to give me an awful lot of money!

Eeesh!

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Reu/b/2008/70/2008-03-10T204404Z_01_WASS452_RTRIDSP_0_NEWYORK-SPITZER.jpg

[SDG]

He'd have to give me an awful lot of money!

Eeesh!

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Reu/b/2008/70/2008-03-10T204404Z_01_WASS452_RTRIDSP_0_NEWYORK-SPITZER.jpg

Alrighty then ....

[DividedThigh]

you are to funny press, lol, i willnot say what i was thinking, lol,dt:ursofunny:laffatu

[Pressing-On]

Alrighty then ....


Sorry! I'm on topic though!

:ursofunny:ursofunny

[tamor]

He'd have to give me an awful lot of money!

Eeesh!

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Reu/b/2008/70/2008-03-10T204404Z_01_WASS452_RTRIDSP_0_NEWYORK-SPITZER.jpg

I've thought the same thing. He ain't purty!

[Pressing-On]

you are to funny press, lol, i willnot say what i was thinking, lol,dt:ursofunny:laffatu

Please don't.

:ursofunny:ursofunny

[DividedThigh]

I've thought the same thing. He ain't purty!

purty, he is mugly, mud ugly for the yanks on here, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

I've thought the same thing. He ain't purty!
Thank you my honest woman friend. I have to say that any women following the story is going to have a visual and then dumped it real quick, 'cause - eesh!

:ursofunny

[Pressing-On]

purty, he is mugly, mud ugly for the yanks on here, lol,dt

Well, if he was a dawg, I would.......and make him walk backwards.

:ursofunny

[tamor]

Thank you my honest woman friend. I have to say that any women following the story is going to have a visual and then dumped it real quick, 'cause - eesh!

:ursofunny

That visual is scary!! :ursofunny

[Pressing-On]

That visual is scary!! :ursofunny

Yes, I barely dwelled on it. :ursofunny Like, I went so far as to say - eesh - and got out of it. :ursofunny

[tamor]

Yes, I barely dwelled on it. :ursofunny Like, I went so far as to say - eesh - and got out of it. :ursofunny

:bolt :bolt

[Rico]

He'd have to give me an awful lot of money!

Eeesh!

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Reu/b/2008/70/2008-03-10T204404Z_01_WASS452_RTRIDSP_0_NEWYORK-SPITZER.jpg


Hehehehehehe! Sister, you ain't right!!! :ursofunny

[DividedThigh]

so true, lol,dt:tantrum

[Pressing-On]

Here you are, Dora!

Stand By Your Womanizer
By Janet M. LaRue
Tuesday, March 11, 2008

Public officials who hire a hooker haven’t merely committed a “private” failure. These are people who swear an oath to uphold the law but have violated the public trust. Consorting with criminals opens the door to extortion and bribery.

And to any wife who appears as a prop beside her meandering man because she values status, power, and a lucrative lifestyle more than her self-respect, you might want to reflect on the message you’re sending your children. If he’s guilty, let him stand alone for awhile until he gets it. They call it tough love. After all, he didn’t want you by his side on the night in question, someone else was.

Maybe fallen politicians would cease exploiting family members at these mea culpa press conferences if some reporter stood up and asked, “I’d like to know how you’re going to regain your wife’s trust when you’ve subjected her to public humiliation by bringing her here today.”

Enough.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JanetMLaRue/2008/03/11/stand_by_your_womanizer?page=1

[TRFrance]

He'd have to give me an awful lot of money!

Eeesh!

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Reu/b/2008/70/2008-03-10T204404Z_01_WASS452_RTRIDSP_0_NEWYORK-SPITZER.jpg

Awww.
See...Y'all aint right!

I gotta stand up for Mr Spitzer a little bit.
I mean, everybody has a moment where they take a bad picture.

This is a somewhat more appealing picture of him
http://www.property-casualty.com/Spitzer-5.jpg

See? Not so bad.

Besides, he's reportedly worth $20+ million. You guys know that every man looks handsome when he's standing on a fat wallet!

[DividedThigh]

that picture is better, not, lol

[Pressing-On]

Awww.
See...Y'all aint right!

I gotta stand up for Mr Spitzer a little bit.
I mean, everybody has a moment where they take a bad picture.

This is a somewhat more appealing picture of him
http://www.property-casualty.com/Spitzer-5.jpg

See? Not so bad.

Besides, he's reportedly worth $20+ million. You guys know every man looks handsome when he's standing on a fat wallet!

Oh my Gosh, you are making me sick! :vomit

He couldn't have enough money! I couldn't close my eyes tight enough!

You know, I remember being escorted, via Limo, to Fargos for Lunch in Houston. I'm sitting there thinking - these people are so wealthy and so unhappy and so sickening - I don't want them in my life.

Money doesn't buy the simple things of life. I like the simple things of life.

Who wants to wake up wondering if you are going to be late for your next Botox appointment? I saw Heidi Fleiss - her lips looked like a clown she is so worry about her wrinkles. :ursofunny

[DividedThigh]

you are killin me press, i cant hardly eat my lunch, lol,dt:laffatu

[Pressing-On]

you are killin me press, i cant hardly eat my lunch, lol,dt:laffatu

I had a late breakfast, so I'm good. :ursofunny

[TRFrance]

You know, I remember being escorted, via Limo, to Fargos for Lunch in Houston. I'm sitting there thinking - these people are so wealthy and so unhappy and so sickening - I don't want them in my life.

Money doesn't buy the simple things of life. I like the simple things of life.

Who wants to wake up wondering if you are going to be late for your next Botox appointment? I saw Heidi Fleiss - her lips looked like a clown she is so worry about her wrinkles. :ursofunny

You think Heidi Fleiss is bad? How about New York socialite Jocelyn Wildenstein?
If you forgot what she looked like, I've included a picture.
Poor thing.
http://itp.nyu.edu/%7Ebp432/blug/Jocelyn%20Wildenstein%20B%20&%20A.img_assist_custom.jpg

[DividedThigh]

You think Heidi Fleiss is bad? How about New York socialite Jocelyn Wildenstein?
If you forgot what she looked like, I've included a picture.
Poor thing.
http://itp.nyu.edu/%7Ebp432/blug/Jocelyn%20Wildenstein%20B%20&%20A.img_assist_custom.jpg

i am about to puke, that is just gross, did she sue the surgeon, multiple times, shouldhave, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

You think Heidi Fleiss is bad? How about New York socialite Jocelyn Wildenstein?
If you forgot what she looked like, I've included a picture.
Poor thing.
http://itp.nyu.edu/%7Ebp432/blug/Jocelyn%20Wildenstein%20B%20&%20A.img_assist_custom.jpg

Wow, what about Joan Rivers? LOL! I think her eyebrows are behind her ears by now. :ursofunny

[TRFrance]

Wow, what about Joan Rivers? LOL! I think her eyebrows are behind her ears by now.
Joan Rivers isnt quite as bad....
But she probably needs to quit while she's ahead.

http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/joan_rivers_plastic_surgery.jpg

[DividedThigh]

Joan Rivers isnt quite as bad....

http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/joan_rivers_plastic_surgery.jpg

eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Pressing-On]

Joan Rivers isnt quite as bad....
But she probably needs to quit while she's ahead.

http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/joan_rivers_plastic_surgery.jpg

:ursofunny:ursofunny

[Rico]

Ok. Y'all are really starting to gross me out now!! YUCK!!

[Pressing-On]

Ok. Y'all are really starting to gross me out now!! YUCK!!
This thread can only get worse.

:ursofunny

[TRFrance]

Ok. Y'all are really starting to gross me out now!! YUCK!!

This thread can only get worse.

:ursofunny

Judge: TRFrance, how do you plead to the charge of First Degree Thread-jacking?

TRFrance: Your honor, I plead guilty, and I also want to apologize to my brothers and sisters on AFF. Thank you.

[Pressing-On]

Judge: TRFrance, how do you plead to the charge of First Degree Thread-jacking?

TRFrance: Your honor, I plead guilty, and I also want to apologize to my brothers and sisters on AFF. Thank you.

I think you are lying. You aren't really sorry at all!

:ursofunny:ursofunny

Perjury, Your honor. Get him on perjury!

:ursofunny

[TRFrance]

Perjury?
You cant prove that!

Hey, they judge already accepted my guilty plea anyway.
So lets move along, shall we? :O)

[Pressing-On]

Perjury?
You cant prove that!

Hey, they judge already accepted my guilty plea anyway.
So lets move along, shall we? :O)
:ursofunny:ursofunny

Okay, moving along........

[TRFrance]

:ursofunny:ursofunny

Okay, moving along........
Thank you.
See.. if I was some kind of shameless repeat offender, you might see me posting other pics of other plastic surgery nightmares.


But of course, I'd never do that!
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http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/b_gardenia/celebs/bad-plastic-surgery_Michael-Jackson.jpghttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/e/e4/Sepatbirthmjbmjwierd.jpg.jpg/250px-Sepatbirthmjbmjwierd.jpg.jpg

(oops!)

[Pressing-On]

Thank you.
See.. if I was some kind of shameless repeat offender, you might see me posting other pics of other plastic surgery nightmares.


But of course, I'd never do that!
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http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/b_gardenia/celebs/bad-plastic-surgery_Michael-Jackson.jpghttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/e/e4/Sepatbirthmjbmjwierd.jpg.jpg/250px-Sepatbirthmjbmjwierd.jpg.jpg

(oops!)

And I was being nice by moving along!!!!

:ursofunny

Lord, what a..... I have no words! I used to have some lipstick that color.

:ursofunny

[DividedThigh]

yikes, this thread is devolving, lol,dt

[tamor]

yikes, this thread is devolving, lol,dt

And as PO has already said, it can only get worse!! :ursofunny:ursofunny

[MissBrattified]

He'd have to give me an awful lot of money!

Eeesh!

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Reu/b/2008/70/2008-03-10T204404Z_01_WASS452_RTRIDSP_0_NEWYORK-SPITZER.jpg

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ursofunny

[DividedThigh]

its aliveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, lol, dt:ursofunny

[Dora]

Did you hear how young the girls were? Barely 18! Makes me furious! Just little kids!

Nothing makes me angrier than the porn industry, it's slavery in its worst form.

And glossing over the reality of the horror and degradation it causes all over the globe is sickening.

Ok...stepping awayyyy from my soapbox...

[TRFrance]

And his oldest daughter is that age... 18.

[Pressing-On]

(excerpt)

March 13, 2008
What I Couldn't Teach Spitzer at Harvard Law
By Susan Estrich

How could one smart guy get that stupid?

He used his own cell phone to arrange for a prostitute to go from New York to Washington, D.C., to have sex with him. Didn't he remember the stuff I taught him about how crossing state lines and using phone wires turn things into federal crimes, about the aptly named Mann Act, which makes prostitution a federal offense when you cross state lines to do it? Eight years of prosecuting Wall Street as attorney general of New York, and he was still clumsy enough in pulling money from his own accounts that his bank noted it and alerted the authorities to suspicious transactions on his account.

The easy answer, the one I heard frequently as the story was breaking, is that men just get stupid about sex. But prostitution is -- from my vantage point as a woman and a mother -- a particularly unattractive and offensive kind of extramarital activity. I really believe it is none of my business, as a member of the public or the media, if a political or business leader has an affair. I don't sit in judgment of other people's marriages or their private lives. But prostitution isn't just sex. Prostitution objectifies the women who engage in it, dehumanizes sex and sexuality, and turns both into commodities with a price tag.

Rich, powerful men don't need to pay women to have sex; there are plenty who will do it for nothing, save the expectation that they be treated as people. I have never understood why such men prefer to pay for it. Or, more accurately, I have understood, and I think less of them for their choice. What does it say about a man that he'd rather pay for sex? That he is willing to offer nothing but money? It is the cheapest sex a man can have, a friend of mine says, which is why I find it so offensive. Both Eliot and I are big believers in personal responsibility.

Of course, the real issue isn't sex, but judgment. Ruining a career you've spent decades building, ruining your future, making yourself vulnerable to criminal punishment, humiliating yourself and your family literally in the eyes of the world, all for a few nights in the sack with a whore? Insane. Just insane.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/what_i_couldnt_teach_eliot_spi.html

[tamor]

(excerpt)

March 13, 2008
What I Couldn't Teach Spitzer at Harvard Law
By Susan Estrich

How could one smart guy get that stupid?

He used his own cell phone to arrange for a prostitute to go from New York to Washington, D.C., to have sex with him. Didn't he remember the stuff I taught him about how crossing state lines and using phone wires turn things into federal crimes, about the aptly named Mann Act, which makes prostitution a federal offense when you cross state lines to do it? Eight years of prosecuting Wall Street as attorney general of New York, and he was still clumsy enough in pulling money from his own accounts that his bank noted it and alerted the authorities to suspicious transactions on his account.

The easy answer, the one I heard frequently as the story was breaking, is that men just get stupid about sex. But prostitution is -- from my vantage point as a woman and a mother -- a particularly unattractive and offensive kind of extramarital activity. I really believe it is none of my business, as a member of the public or the media, if a political or business leader has an affair. I don't sit in judgment of other people's marriages or their private lives. But prostitution isn't just sex. Prostitution objectifies the women who engage in it, dehumanizes sex and sexuality, and turns both into commodities with a price tag.

Rich, powerful men don't need to pay women to have sex; there are plenty who will do it for nothing, save the expectation that they be treated as people. I have never understood why such men prefer to pay for it. Or, more accurately, I have understood, and I think less of them for their choice. What does it say about a man that he'd rather pay for sex? That he is willing to offer nothing but money? It is the cheapest sex a man can have, a friend of mine says, which is why I find it so offensive. Both Eliot and I are big believers in personal responsibility.

Of course, the real issue isn't sex, but judgment. Ruining a career you've spent decades building, ruining your future, making yourself vulnerable to criminal punishment, humiliating yourself and your family literally in the eyes of the world, all for a few nights in the sack with a whore? Insane. Just insane.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/what_i_couldnt_teach_eliot_spi.html


Yep, that just about sums it up....

[Pressing-On]

Yep, that just about sums it up....

Yes, but then see this side of the issue!!!

"Many commentators are indicting Spitzer mostly for hypocrisy, but aren't we the real hypocrites? We watch and tolerate the most salacious television programs; we produce soft pornography to sell in grocery stores, displaying it on checkout line shelves, we post hardcore porn on the Internet; we feature on magazine covers women who have had babies with sperm donors they call boyfriends, but do not marry them; girls are sexualized at ever-younger ages; we equate shacking up with marriage as equal moral choices and then express shock when members of both political parties behave in ways that emulate what they see the rest of us tacitly approving.

Culture once produced gobs of shame for people who engaged in such activities, but no more. Now the question becomes whether such laws are outmoded and if it should be considered a private matter between Spitzer and his family. This is the legacy of the Bill Clinton years. "It was only sex," cried Clinton's defenders of his tryst with Monica Lewinsky. It was no one else's business, except his family. Each time such behavior is excused, we ensure we will get more of it." - Cal Thomas
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CalThomas/2008/03/13/sex_and_the_married_governor

[chosenbyone]

http://www.aolcdn.com/aolnews_photos/07/01/20080312204609990019

This was the young lady in the center of the controversy (lady of the night). She was a runaway from a troubled home in NJ who moved to NY to become a musician.

[Hoovie]

I myself am concerned about the $$$$! :tissue:tissue

For $4,000.00 you could hire an acrobat from the circus to do some pretty cool tricks! :gaga

Of course the act is immoral and broke the marriage vows... but hello! This is normal behavior for for politicians and actors both. It is no surprise to me - really.

The only unusual thing is the bigger money paid for these tricks, and the fact that he broke interstate laws etc. Guys DO often pay for sex. It is becoming normal, for men with money, to trade in an aging wife for a youngster with lessor means... buy her a Farrari and a three a 5M $ house... that is paying for sex too, IMHO.

[Barb]

Re women who stand beside the men who have strayed in their marriange and publicly humiliated them, there are many factors to consider...not the least of which is the children involved.

I don't know what I do, but when it comes to marital forgiveness, I always go in my mind back to an incident that what partially played out in this city...

An elder was in a mini revival at the church I used to attend. His wife was not present in the services, and they kept requesting prayer forher... "Sis. So and So is sick..."

What had actually happened was, she had left her husband for her girlfriend.

But she came to her right spiritual mind, repented, and not only did her husband forgive her, but the church family forgave her and accepted her back as First Lady.

That is a lot of forgiveness...

[BrotherEastman]

What's wrong with you people!?!?! We bash Spitzer when he does something morally wrong, we re-elect Clinton when he does something wrong! LOL! We need help in this country. *okay, I'm done*

[Pressing-On]

What's wrong with you people!?!?! We bash Spitzer when he does something morally wrong, we re-elect Clinton when he does something wrong! LOL! We need help in this country. *okay, I'm done*
We? You got a mouse in your pocket, homie? :D

[TRFrance]

What I'm curious about it this...
From what I've read, Spitzer should still have a $700 credit on his account with the call-girl service.
So,um.... does the poor guy get his $700 back?


(yes, I'm being tongue in cheek)

[Pressing-On]

What I'm curious about it this...
From what I've read, Spitzer should still have a $700 credit on his account with the call-girl service.
So,um.... does the poor guy get his $700 back?


(yes, I'm being tongue in cheek)
:smack

For good measure...

:smack

:D

[TRFrance]

:smack

For good measure...

:smack

:D
What!!??
Maybe he could donate it to charity or something!

[DividedThigh]

i am sure his wife will take it and put it to good use, maybe buy a gun, lol, just kidding, dt

[BrotherEastman]

i am sure his wife will take it and put it to good use, maybe buy a gun, lol, just kidding, dt
A Baretta 9mm would be my choice.

[BrotherEastman]

We? You got a mouse in your pocket, homie? :D
Sure! you say that now, but I'm thinking you probably voted for Clinton. Come on, tell the truth. You can do it.:laffatu:ursofunny

[Dora]

The girl's myspace page is being inundated! She is an aspiring musician and has a song posted for downloading. She gets .30 every time the song is downloaded. So now she's a millionaire! Unbelievable!

[DividedThigh]

A Baretta 9mm would be my choice.

good choice, i prefer the sigs in 9mm but of course the choice for me obviously is the old 1911 45 acp, never let me down yet, lol,dt

[AmazingGrace]

What's wrong with you people!?!?! We bash Spitzer when he does something morally wrong, we re-elect Clinton when he does something wrong! LOL! We need help in this country. *okay, I'm done*

Well it is very obvious you have officially fallen off the nutcase wagon.... WE didnt vote to re elect clinton and if you think about it good and hard a large majority of this forum is republican sooooooooooooo do something about that guilt issue you have over re electing clinton yourself because aparently you are talking about YOU! LOL there I am off of my soapbox too now! WHEW

[DividedThigh]

taint never voted for no clinton, bilary neither, lol,dt

[tamor]

i am sure his wife will take it and put it to good use, maybe buy a gun, lol, just kidding, dt

:bliss

[DividedThigh]

:bliss

nice, great idea huh, lol:laffatu

[TRFrance]

Her Myspace page got over a 1 million hits the first 8 hours after her identity was published.

But I just went back and checked.
She deleted her account.

The poor girl.

[joyful]

Her Myspace page got over a 1 million hits the first 8 hours after her identity was published.

But I just went back and checked.
She deleted her account.

The poor girl.

I have found it very distasteful that several of her former teachers are discussing her with reporters. It's certainly their right to do so if they want, it just doesn't sit well with me.

[DividedThigh]

I have found it very distasteful that several of her former teachers are discussing her with reporters. It's certainly their right to do so if they want, it just doesn't sit well with me.

bunceh of sharks have no decency at all, lol,dt

[TRFrance]

I have found it very distasteful that several of her former teachers are discussing her with reporters. It's certainly their right to do so if they want, it just doesn't sit well with me.

When CNN, FoxNews, etc calls you up, or theres a news guy with a video camera at your front door, I guess its hard to just say no.

[joyful]

When CNN, FoxNews, etc calls you up, or theres a news guy with a video camera at your front door, I guess its hard to just say no.

I guess so, they just all seem a little too gleeful discussing her and a little too happy to be "in the news" for people who are supposed to have their students best interests at heart.

[Barb]

When CNN, FoxNews, etc calls you up, or theres a news guy with a video camera at your front door, I guess its hard to just say no.

What is so hard about saying, "I'm sorry, but I have no comment at this time..."

[TRFrance]

What is so hard about saying, "I'm sorry, but I have no comment at this time..."

The lure of feeling important , or of getting one's "15 minutes of fame".

[DividedThigh]

to someone elses hurt and there expense, not nice or right, imho, dt

[TRFrance]

Her Myspace page got over a 1 million hits the first 8 hours after her identity was published.

But I just went back and checked.
She deleted her account.

The poor girl.

For the sake of accuracy, just wanted to say the young lady's page is back up, receiving almost 4 million hits the past 24 hours.

I still think the poor girl is a mess. Nobody is prepared to be thrust into the limelight so suddenly, especially under such circumstances.

[ChristopherHall]

Maybe she actually believes in "til death do us part" and is willing to forgive her husband. Have any of you "Christian" women considered that?

You will notice that most Christians behave as though the Bible commands divorce in response to adultery. I fear most Christians would cheer her on if she "let him have it" and left him. But God tells us plainly....

"16For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously." - Malachi 2:16

[ChristopherHall]

Did you hear how young the girls were? Barely 18! Makes me furious! Just little kids!

Nothing makes me angrier than the porn industry, it's slavery in its worst form.

And glossing over the reality of the horror and degradation it causes all over the globe is sickening.

Amen sis.

[ChristopherHall]

What's wrong with you people!?!?! We bash Spitzer when he does something morally wrong, we re-elect Clinton when he does something wrong! LOL! We need help in this country. *okay, I'm done*

Clinton had an affair, got scared and lied about it. Clinton's issue is viewed by many as being a tragic sin but not a crime. It can be argued that his only crime was lying under oath...to protect his political image and his marriage.

Spitzer hired a prostitute and tried to hide the financial transactions using another person's name in efforts not to tip off any financial monitors. The prostitute is illegal and the financial dealings unethical.

So in a way Spitzer's case is worse.

[BrotherEastman]

Clinton had an affair, got scared and lied about it. Clinton's issue is viewed by many as being a tragic sin but not a crime. It can be argued that his only crime was lying under oath...to protect his political image and his marriage.

Spitzer hired a prostitute and tried to hide the financial transactions using another person's name in efforts not to tip off any financial monitors. The prostitute is illegal and the financial dealings unethical.

So in a way Spitzer's case is worse.
Chris, you never cease to amaze me. How is Spitzer worse than Clinton? They were both involved in immoral sexual activity.....duh! You probably believe that Clinton didn't inhale either. Yep, I'm convinced, yer a piece of work.

[Monkeyman]

Clinton had an affair, got scared and lied about it. Clinton's issue is viewed by many as being a tragic sin but not a crime. It can be argued that his only crime was lying under oath...to protect his political image and his marriage.

Spitzer hired a prostitute and tried to hide the financial transactions using another person's name in efforts not to tip off any financial monitors. The prostitute is illegal and the financial dealings unethical.

So in a way Spitzer's case is worse.Oh myyyyy, serious dude? You don't think President Clinton didn't have an arrangement with his wife to be able to philander for a lot of his political career? There are women who say differently, one has a phone tape....whatever dude. As far as punishable crime? Sure, I will give you that, but they are both on the same level of sleaziness!

[Pressing-On]

Clinton had an affair, got scared and lied about it. Clinton's issue is viewed by many as being a tragic sin but not a crime. It can be argued that his only crime was lying under oath...to protect his political image and his marriage.

Spitzer hired a prostitute and tried to hide the financial transactions using another person's name in efforts not to tip off any financial monitors. The prostitute is illegal and the financial dealings unethical.

So in a way Spitzer's case is worse.
Christopher,
Clinton said he did what he did because he could. Not much difference for either party.

[TRFrance]

Oh myyyyy, serious dude? You don't think President Clinton didn't have an arrangement with his wife to be able to philander for a lot of his political career? There are women who say differently, one has a phone tape....whatever dude. As far as punishable crime? Sure, I will give you that, but they are both on the same level of sleaziness!

Speculation and rumor.
You cant prove that.

[Barb]

There is a situation here with the mayor of a large city in our state...

It is quite a deal and involved, but it appears that there has been a long history of partying and such at the mayor's mansion.

However, the major deal seems to be this...from the Associated Press...

"In a trial over a lawsuit against the city brought by two police officers who said they were wrongfully fired (they were investigating money matters and more), (the mayor and his former top aide) denied under oath that they had been romantically involved."

The crux is that sexually explicit text messages have been made quite public, showing that at the time they were testifying, they were deeply involved sexually. The transcripts have been shown and read repeatedly on radio, tv, and in newspapers.

The prosecutor is "deciding whether to charge (them) with perjury."

Seems to me it's a no-brainer...if they lied under oath, that's a crime.

On top of all of that, city funds were used, it appears, for hush money purposes, and deals under the table have been...and possibly much more...every day it seems there is a new development.

But through it all, the man stands strong that this is between he and his wife, and he refuses to resign, calling it, "lynch-mob tactics."

It's ridiculous...there has to be accountability for sin, regardless of who it is in...president, governor, mayor...whomever it may be.

[TRFrance]

There is a situation here with the mayor of a large city in our state...

It is quite a deal and involved, but it appears that there has been a long history of partying and such at the mayor's mansion.

However, the major deal seems to be this...from the Associated Press...

"In a trial over a lawsuit against the city brought by two police officers who said they were wrongfully fired (they were investigating money matters and more), (the mayor and his former top aide) denied under oath that they had been romantically involved."

The crux is that sexually explicit text messages have been made quite public, showing that at the time they were testifying, they were deeply involved sexually. The transcripts have been shown and read repeatedly on radio, tv, and in newspapers.

The prosecutor is "deciding whether to charge (them) with perjury."

Seems to me it's a no-brainer...if they lied under oath, that's a crime.

On top of all of that, city funds were used, it appears, for hush money purposes, and deals under the table have been...and possibly much more...every day it seems there is a new development.

But through it all, the man stands strong that this is between he and his wife, and he refuses to resign, calling it, "lynch-mob tactics."

It's ridiculous...there has to be accountability for sin, regardless of who it is in...president, governor, mayor...whomever it may be.

It's very obvious he committed perjury. I don't know what the prosecutor is hemming and hawing about.

And there are serious questions about who killed a stripper who had been linked to a party at his mansion. Who know's what'll turn up if investigators look under that rug.

[Barb]

It's very obvious he committed perjury. I don't know what the prosecutor is hemming and hawing about.

And there are serious questions about who killed a stripper who had been linked to a party at his mansion. Who know's what'll turn up if investigators look under that rug.

It's a tragic state of affairs, no pun intended, for a young man who has done so much for the city he presides over.

[TRFrance]

It's a tragic state of affairs, no pun intended, for a young man who has done so much for the city he presides over.

I never got the impression he was that good.
I always felt he was more hype than substance.

Maybe you know otherwise, but that's always the feeling I had.

[Barb]

I never got the impression he was that good.
I always felt he was more hype than substance.

Maybe you know otherwise, but that's always the feeling I had.

Could be right...I just always read he had done a lot of good for the city, but as I not from there, I couldn't say with surety.