Branson Meeting

[Blubayou]

I was at a friend's house today and saw a pamphlet for the upcoming Branson Meeting for the "new organization". I think it is suppose to convene April 3rd. Anyone going? Are we going to have any reporters there?

[Kings Kid]

I thought that it was 1st ,2nd and 3rd of April. I'm not going. I really would like to know how many Ucpi pastors joined the Wwpf.

[Hoovie]

I thought that it was 1st ,2nd and 3rd of April. I'm not going. I really would like to know how many Ucpi pastors joined the Wwpf.

Now that they will have to choose.... probably about 30...

[Sam]

I thought that it was 1st ,2nd and 3rd of April. I'm not going. I really would like to know how many Ucpi pastors joined the Wwpf.


April Fool's Day?
I wonder if that has any significance?

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny :ursofunny

[Kings Kid]

April Fool's Day?
I wonder if that has any significance?

:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny :ursofunny

Maybe, the April Fools will be on them and no one will show up.

[Brother Price]

The whole thing is a mess, pure and simple.

[CC1]

I just checked my calendar and unfortunetely I will be on a business trip to Austin, Texas around that time.

Hopefully some of these folks who are seeking a "preferred" Apostolic future over that evil, liberal ole UPC will attend and report back. My guess is that Whole Hearted is a good canidate. I think he has bought every monogrammed item in the WWPF store!

[Hoovie]

Can I go? I wonder how I would be treated as a "more conservative than liberal moderate"?

It is just 2 hrs for me.

[RandyWayne]

I am sure there will be a little of everything there! Good teaching. Good preaching. Lots of good food. And some mighty good shows!

[Pragmatist]

Can I go? I wonder how I would be treated as a "more conservative than liberal moderate"?

It is just 2 hrs for me.

I think you need to go as a spy. And tell them how liberal they are for driving automobiles.

[Blubayou]

I agree- S. Hoover go and check it out for us.

[AimeeAimee]

I always love to here about meetings with just Ministers, their wives, and their families. And who pays for these little vacations? Anyone know? Haha

[Sister Alvear]

I agree- S. Hoover go and check it out for us.


:ursofunny

[Kings Kid]

Can I go? I wonder how I would be treated as a "more conservative than liberal moderate"?

It is just 2 hrs for me.
Are you sure that is would be safe for you to go and mixed up with that bunch.

[jaxfam6]

May I ask a question? Do you all really care that those who want to branch out on their own do so? If they branch out and go their own way then so be it. If they go with bad attitudes that is on them. If they go and you have bad attitudes about it then that is on you. I say you should wish them well, get back to the every day grind, fellowship those that still want to fellowship, and keep doing what you believe in your heart is the right thing. By all means though do not lower yourselves to talk ill of them. If any ill speaking is to be done let it be by them.
Matthew 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
If they have a haughty spirit and are self-righteouos in their exodus then God will judge them. Would you really want those who adhere to that type of thinking and actions staying in your organization rather than bless them and let them go their way?

[Kings Kid]

Yes,I do care when they are trying to recriut others by offering them more money that's wrong.

[scotty]

May I ask a question? Do you all really care that those who want to branch out on their own do so? If they branch out and go their own way then so be it. If they go with bad attitudes that is on them. If they go and you have bad attitudes about it then that is on you. I say you should wish them well, get back to the every day grind, fellowship those that still want to fellowship, and keep doing what you believe in your heart is the right thing. By all means though do not lower yourselves to talk ill of them. If any ill speaking is to be done let it be by them.
Matthew 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
If they have a haughty spirit and are self-righteouos in their exodus then God will judge them. Would you really want those who adhere to that type of thinking and actions staying in your organization rather than bless them and let them go their way?


PREACH!!!!!!!!!!

Best post I have seen on the issue since the split...

You nailed it brother..

[scotty]

Yes,I do care when they are trying to recriut others by offering them more money that's wrong.


Like he said , thats on them....

Both those that are doing the buying

and those that are bought.

[A_PoMo]

I'm sure somebody has already mentioned this, but it's funny to me that they're meeting in Branson. Why not just go to Vegas?

[Kings Kid]

It would be way to easy to sin in Vegas with all of those big shiny machines. Lol

[TrmptPraise]

Can I go? I wonder how I would be treated as a "more conservative than liberal moderate"?

It is just 2 hrs for me.

I'll meet you there....I haven't seen a good show in a while.:ursofunny

[Kings Kid]

I'll meet you there....I haven't seen a good show in a while.:ursofunny
Hopfully they will charge a decent price to get in.lol

[TrmptPraise]

I'll meet you there....I haven't seen a good show in a while.:ursofunny

I better qualify my statement. I was NOT saying that the WPF meeting was a show, but rather I had not taken in a Branson show in quite a while.....whew...:bliss

[A_PoMo]

It would be way to easy to sin in Vegas with all of those big shiny machines. Lol

Where's the sin in that? :)

[Kings Kid]

Where's the sin in that? :)
Let me rephrase it would be to much of a temptation.

[Sam]

It would be way to easy to sin in Vegas with all of those big shiny machines. Lol

In Vegas those preachers could invest some of the Lord's money in gambling and let God increase it. Also, there are topless shows and prostitution is legal. What a place for preachers!!!

Say, do you reckon some of those preachers might slip into a "theater" in Branson and hear some "worldly" music or do you guess they'll just watch porn on the tv in their rooms? After all, tv in a motel room is not in their homes and it would probably be all right to watch as long as they were not looking at any UPC church advertising their services.

[Kings Kid]

In Vegas those preachers could invest some of the Lord's money in gambling and let God increase it. Also, there are topless shows and prostitution is legal. What a place for preachers!!!

Say, do you reckon some of those preachers might slip into a "theater" in Branson and hear some "worldly" music or do you guess they'll just watch porn on the tv in their rooms? After all, tv in a motel room is not in their homes and it would probably be all right to watch as long as they were not looking at any UPC church advertising their services.

They might as long as the big dogs don't bust them.

[Hoovie]

I'll meet you there....I haven't seen a good show in a while.:ursofunny

I would seriously consider going for one night.... I would have to go to Whippersnappers Lobster Buffett before service. I am sure others from the meeting would be there too.

[rgcraig]

I would seriously consider going for one night.... I would have to go to Whippersnappers Lobster Buffett before service. I am sure others from the meeting would be there too.

Lol!!!

[AmazingGrace]

Can I go? I wonder how I would be treated as a "more conservative than liberal moderate"?

It is just 2 hrs for me.

Branson is just 2 hours from you?!?!!!! How cool! My biological parents own a few lots at one of the camping parks out there and they have asked us to go this summer and spend a couple of weeks with them as they have a couple extra motor homes they are going to park there this year... we would love to meet yall while we are there if your interested let us know!!!

[jaxfam6]

Yes,I do care when they are trying to recriut others by offering them more money that's wrong.

If the ones that they tempt with more money go then you didn't want them either. If they will go for more money they are teachers with itching ears, and palms. Not the kind I would want around me.

[bishoph]

Yes,I do care when they are trying to recriut others by offering them more money that's wrong.

Recruiting by offering more money? More money than what/who? I can assure you since there are NO, lets all say it together, NO paid positions with the WPF, that this would be a little hard to accomplish. If you are insinuating that the WPF is offering more financial support (than said recruits licensing organization) for a specific ministry/program that some pastor is involved in, I would find that suspect as well since that is not the structure of the WPF.

[A_PoMo]

Recruiting by offering more money? More money than what/who? I can assure you since there are NO, lets all say it together, NO paid positions with the WPF, that this would be a little hard to accomplish. If you are insinuating that the WPF is offering more financial support (than said recruits licensing organization) for a specific ministry/program that some pastor is involved in, I would find that suspect as well since that is not the structure of the WPF.

i don't know man. that's not what i heard. nw pastor tells me his good friend joyce meyers is secretly bank rolling the whole wpf thing. i'm not sayin' it's true. i could be rumorin'...but i'm just sayin.

[Cindy]

i don't know man. that's not what i heard. nw pastor tells me his good friend joyce meyers is secretly bank rolling the whole wpf thing. i'm not sayin' it's true. i could be rumorin'...but i'm just sayin.

:ursofunny

[bishoph]

i don't know man. that's not what i heard. nw pastor tells me his good friend joyce meyers is secretly bank rolling the whole wpf thing. i'm not sayin' it's true. i could be rumorin'...but i'm just sayin.

:shockamoo

[Hoovie]

Branson is just 2 hours from you?!?!!!! How cool! My biological parents own a few lots at one of the camping parks out there and they have asked us to go this summer and spend a couple of weeks with them as they have a couple extra motor homes they are going to park there this year... we would love to meet yall while we are there if your interested let us know!!!

Kewl! let's talk a bit closer to the date.:bliss

[AmazingGrace]

Kewl! let's talk a bit closer to the date.:bliss

Awesome look forward to it!

[SavedLou]

Say, do you reckon some of those preachers might slip into a "theater" in Branson and hear some "worldly" music or do you guess they'll just watch porn on the tv in their rooms? After all, tv in a motel room is not in their homes and it would probably be all right to watch as long as they were not looking at any UPC church advertising their services.

tisk tisk :) but i would like to be a fly on the wall to see how many actually might turn on their tv set to watch cnn or something after all of this rigamaroar. (no idea how to spell that! LOL)

[Sarah]

tisk tisk :) but i would like to be a fly on the wall to see how many actually might turn on their tv set to watch cnn or something after all of this rigamaroar. (no idea how to spell that! LOL)

Rigamarole..............LOL

[LadyChocolate]

In Vegas those preachers could invest some of the Lord's money in gambling and let God increase it. Also, there are topless shows and prostitution is legal. What a place for preachers!!!

Say, do you reckon some of those preachers might slip into a "theater" in Branson and hear some "worldly" music or do you guess they'll just watch porn on the tv in their rooms? After all, tv in a motel room is not in their homes and it would probably be all right to watch as long as they were not looking at any UPC church advertising their services.

They might as long as the big dogs don't bust them.

Is this a joke? I think I am missing something here.... I mean, I know these preachers preach against tv and such..... but to make these kind of remarks is tasteless... please forgive me if I misread the posts...drive by posting at it's best.... I don't agree with all preachers, but I can't stand the insinuations here.... totally disrespectful to God's people....:kickcan

[LadyChocolate]

tisk tisk :) but i would like to be a fly on the wall to see how many actually might turn on their tv set to watch cnn or something after all of this rigamaroar. (no idea how to spell that! LOL)

...oh yeah! I would love to find out if someone is sinning or not! Oh yeah, that would be great gossip! Oh just to know!:kickcan



who's business is it besides God's???? maybe we all should have little flies on the walls of our homes to see all the stuff we do when no one is looking! Oh wait, that's why we have God!




my apologies today because these posts are just getting on my nerves.... I understand we have a right to post what we want... I might just bow out now because I am a little sensitive today.:kickcan


You know, after thinking about.... I realize these post are probably just TIC.... please accept my apologies! :)

[dizzyde]

...oh yeah! I would love to find out if someone is sinning or not! Oh yeah, that would be great gossip! Oh just to know!:kickcan



who's business is it besides God's???? maybe we all should have little flies on the walls of our homes to see all the stuff we do when no one is looking! Oh wait, that's why we have God!




my apologies today because these posts are just getting on my nerves.... I understand we have a right to post what we want... I might just bow out now because I am a little sensitive today.:kickcan


You know, after thinking about.... I realize these post are probably just TIC.... please accept my apologies! :)

You know LC, I don't know if I have said it to you before, but I really like your spirit and attitude! :friend

[SavedLou]

...oh yeah! I would love to find out if someone is sinning or not! Oh yeah, that would be great gossip! Oh just to know!:kickcan



who's business is it besides God's???? maybe we all should have little flies on the walls of our homes to see all the stuff we do when no one is looking! Oh wait, that's why we have God!

way to take a joke there LC

my apologies today because these posts are just getting on my nerves.... I understand we have a right to post what we want... I might just bow out now because I am a little sensitive today.:kickcan


You know, after thinking about.... I realize these post are probably just TIC.... please accept my apologies! :)

don't really believe that or u would have just deleted the post instead ;)

[LadyChocolate]

don't really believe that or u would have just deleted the post instead ;)

That's okay! I said it probably was TIC. I left the post on just in case it wasn't!:friend

[LadyChocolate]

You know LC, I don't know if I have said it to you before, but I really like your spirit and attitude! :friend

thank you dizzyde:friend

[tstew]

The subheading of the "Tulsa Tango" is right on because a lot of this is a sidetrack. Everyday close to 250,000 people die. Many without the Apostolic message. If the devil can get people distracted and ocuupied with a bunch of foolishness and pettiness, he is ultimately the winner. Even if we eventually "fix" things and get things back right. In the interim we are losing at a pace of 10,000 souls an hour. Do we really have time to fight over politics and positions and persepectives?

[CC1]

The subheading of the "Tulsa Tango" is right on because a lot of this is a sidetrack. Everyday close to 250,000 people die. Many without the Apostolic message. If the devil can get people distracted and ocuupied with a bunch of foolishness and pettiness, he is ultimately the winner. Even if we eventually "fix" things and get things back right. In the interim we are losing at a pace of 10,000 souls an hour. Do we really have time to fight over politics and positions and persepectives?

Yes.


Apparently.

As long has human beings are involved in something there will be disagreements and conflicts at times.

[tstew]

Yes, but shouldn't God's involvement in something make a difference? Ultimately, isn't that what we proclaim.

Let me just clarify and say that my first comment was not directed at this particular board or even this forum. I just have been following all the events of the last few months via this forum and other avenues, and ultimately that is my feeling about a lot of things. I have really enjoyed the reading the posts here as a guest and I am glad that such a forum exists...it just took me a while to get approved.

[LadyChocolate]

Yes.


Apparently.

As long has human beings are involved in something there will be disagreements and conflicts at times.

Except here at AFF.... We all get along and never argue!


























:killinme:killinme:killinme

[jaxfam6]

[QUOTE=LadyChocolate;423596]Except here at AFF.... We all get along and never argue!


ALL liars shall have their part in.......


You might wanna be careful. Your chocolate might melt. You made with a candy coating on the outside? hmmmm never put mm's in fire, that outside shell still might melt.

:campfire

[CC1]

Yes, but shouldn't God's involvement in something make a difference? Ultimately, isn't that what we proclaim.

.

Check out the New Testament. Those early church leaders had conflicts left and right!

Of course we should strive for unity, etc. I am only pointing out that as long as human beings are involved there will be conflict.

[Kings Kid]

Recruiting by offering more money? More money than what/who? I can assure you since there are NO, lets all say it together, NO paid positions with the WPF, that this would be a little hard to accomplish. If you are insinuating that the WPF is offering more financial support (than said recruits licensing organization) for a specific ministry/program that some pastor is involved in, I would find that suspect as well since that is not the structure of the WPF.
Well while they were over in the Phillapines trying to recruit our pastors they were offering them more money to join their fellowship.

[Kings Kid]

Is this a joke? I think I am missing something here.... I mean, I know these preachers preach against tv and such..... but to make these kind of remarks is tasteless... please forgive me if I misread the posts...drive by posting at it's best.... I don't agree with all preachers, but I can't stand the insinuations here.... totally disrespectful to God's people....:kickcan
Lady Chocolate,
That started out as a joke.I must admit that I took it a little too far. Sorry.

[bishoph]

Well while they were over in the Phillapines trying to recruit our pastors they were offering them more money to join their fellowship.

My friend, you obviously know nothing about the Philippine trip. I was there.......not one time was anyone (UPCI or otherwise) offered any money to "join the WPF." In fact the pastors who I preached for in Bohol did not even know I was not UPCI. They did not know because we had no discussion with them regarding the UPCI/WPF. We were in Bohol to plan a conference for later this year (which has been done for the past 7-8 years) not to recruit members to the WPF.

I did make a WPF presentation to pastors in Manila, in a meeting that I arranged and sponsored. This was with a group of pastors that I have worked with for a number of years who are independent, and from what was posted here on AFF, are folks that the UPCI wouldn't be interested in. There were some UPCI ministers who attended that meeting, however, they were not invited by us. They came at the invite of some of my Philippine pastors. We made it very clear to all of them that the WPF was a new Fellowship forming in the states and that we did not know when/if we would be establishing a WPF Philippines, as that is not really part of the missions structure of the WPF.

I will not engage in a long drawn out discussion on this topic again..........however, when I see untruths being stated, I get a little agitated.

Please do not take my response as a personal attack. I am not against anyone on this forum, I just think we need to be factual.

[Sister Alvear]

I have worked in the Philippines and mean no disrespect to anyone by this statement...however ...most will run and change oranizations for a dollar more than they recieve anywhere else...Do I blame them? Probably not...if I lived in the depths of poverty they live in I too would be inthe soup line...

I have friends on both sides of the fence but I personally think WPF should have waited and NOT involved the foreign fields...to split works is easy...to start works from ground up and take no one`s preachers...raise up your own is another story...

I am just a woman so my voice or opinion does not matter to most...but I had rather walk away from a work and be misunderstood by the nationals than divide and cause talk...

in our lives we did that so I speak as a voice of experience and not a novice...I had ather suffer than cause divisions in a work...

That is only my opinion...

[Sister Alvear]

We must be very careful and lean not to our fleshly desires to get even...to puch my side...to show my point...to prove that I am right the other is wrong....

NO, I am not UPCI...
I remember when the AMF was formed so I have been around a while...They too found missionaries and nationals that would work with them...they too had a cause...

I think if people do not agree with the UPCI then they should get out...and many of the men that got out are NOT running down the UPCI...however it would be easy just to form a bandwagon of the discontent...the discontent one place unless a REAL conviction is the reason will soon be discontent somewhere else...

[Sister Alvear]

and I will continue...I think sometimes new groups are needed...new visions, new strength...
However we must be careful that we do not start off with a big fire and then it burn down to nothing as many groups do...
Of all the groups that are ultra con if I were to think about joining it might be the WWF for many of the men believe in women in ministry and we have many women in the work here...I would never do anything to hurt some struggling lady that is working in the vineyard...as I have often said I am not ordained and never plan to be but I know there are women God places in certain places and I would never join anything that would hurt them and do not care to be around men that say cutting things about women.

I would never hold a card with some group that would be cruel to someone else...

[Sister Alvear]

continuing....
I do not think Americans that have never been life long missionaries realize the harm they can do in the name of good works and expanding the gospel...

Life is hard on most mission fields...the foreigner sees Americans as rich...the American that pays the preacher becomes the boss...
Believe me many nationals that hold your hat, carry your briefcase have dollar marks in their eyes...The American runs to the states and tells all his stories about the people....but does not even know that behind many acts of "goodwill" were thoughts of making money to survive...

Dooes that mean the nationals do everything for money? Of course not but it is a whole different ballgame when YOU LIVE on the field...

[LadyChocolate]

Lady Chocolate,
That started out as a joke.I must admit that I took it a little too far. Sorry.

:friend

You know, I don't know all of the politics behind this whole split between the UPC and WPF. I have made it a point not to jump in on sides. I am not for either one here. I don't know who is recruiting who or what... I usually overlook that stuff because only those who are actually there are saw things go on have only a little insight on what it really going on. A former pastor of mine used to say "Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see."

Why I jumped in this time, is because I don't find it one bit entertaining to accuse men, men of God, of such things as watching porn and such. That is heart breaking....I don't agree with everyone here, that is for sure... But everyone here does claim to be a christian and the last time I checked, Christ like men and women were not going around accusing men of such immorality and ungodly acts.

So while I can let all the other discussion go on without it bothering me, I think those other kind of statements are over the line!

:friend BTW have a happy day!:bliss

[Sister Alvear]

and on another note...if I had the money I would love to go to the Branson meeting ...

[Sister Alvear]

so right Barb...the right spirit is best in any situation...blessings to you.

[LadyChocolate]

continuing....
I do not think Americans that have never been life long missionaries realize the harm they can do in the name of good works and expanding the gospel...

Life is hard on most mission fields...the foreigner sees Americans as rich...the American that pays the preacher becomes the boss...
Believe me many nationals that hold your hat, carry your briefcase have dollar marks in their eyes...The American runs to the states and tells all his stories about the people....but does not even know that behind many acts of "goodwill" were thoughts of making money to survive...

Dooes that mean the nationals do everything for money? Of course not but it is a whole different ballgame when YOU LIVE on the field...


Thank you for your insight. It is an unselfish one. I see exactly what you are saying here.....but I am just a little people here!:) But you are right... it reminds me of the children who are playing and something goes wrong. So one takes their toys and goes home but they don't leave it at that. They go and tell all the other children in the neighborhood how mean they other child is and now no one wants to get along and everyone gets hurt in the end... Even those that weren't officially involved with the original fight because now both of their friends are fighting and they are caught in the middle....:kickcan

[Sister Alvear]

We humans are passionate about things we believe in however in our passion we should let the right spirit govern our actions....

[Sister Alvear]

another thing along this line it is hard just to walk away...but those that can do it in the right spirit win in the long run...my husband gets an a on being able to do that in any situation...I will not tell my grade...ha...

[bishoph]

continuing....
I do not think Americans that have never been life long missionaries realize the harm they can do in the name of good works and expanding the gospel...

Life is hard on most mission fields...the foreigner sees Americans as rich...the American that pays the preacher becomes the boss...
Believe me many nationals that hold your hat, carry your briefcase have dollar marks in their eyes...The American runs to the states and tells all his stories about the people....but does not even know that behind many acts of "goodwill" were thoughts of making money to survive...

Dooes that mean the nationals do everything for money? Of course not but it is a whole different ballgame when YOU LIVE on the field...

Mother Alvear, I respect you very highly and the great work that you are doing and have done for the Kingdom. I feel that you have misunderstood something on this issue however, because no monies were/have been offered to anyone in the Philippines. Which means that if someone wanted to work with "us" they would be doing so only for fellowship, training, and such. Not for Money.

[Sister Alvear]

Maybe I do not always know how to express my self. I have been on the mission field so long...I am not saying you offered them any money. I am saying the foreigner represents money to the national and I KNOW they talk about that among themselves...
I will be back....office work to do...

[bishoph]

Maybe I do not always know how to express my self. I have been on the mission field so long...I am not saying you offered them any money. I am saying the foreigner represents money to the national and I KNOW they talk about that among themselves...
I will be back....office work to do...

No Problem, I agree the "American" has done great harm on foreign soil by offering money to the nationals. It has been one of the greatest hinderances to pure missions works such as you and your husband, and many others. Fortunately for me, I had some wonderful missions advisors that warned me against this when I first started missions work some 10+ years ago. What I have witnessed in India, the Philippines, and a few other places is almost a bidding war pledging allegiance to whoever will pay the highest. IMHO this prostitutes the Gospel and does much harm.

[Sister Alvear]

To the foreigner they reason like this...we (UPC) baptize in Jesus Name they (whatever) baptize in Jesus Name...so in reality we are the same belief...we want to get our country evangelized...so why not go where the money is...


My brother they will never tell you that...but that is truth...

I know the Philippino train of thought...we worked there...they are precious people however they are very poor...
I realize there are those that left the UPC that have friends there BUT I personally do not think it is right to run anywhere and start an organization...

I saw it happen in Brazil...many years ago...

Why poison the national because of America´s disagreements?

I have stated I AM not against the new fellowship in fact I am for it but I am not far anyone whatever they are causing trouble among the brethern.
My son will be in the meeting there in Bransom, Brother Ryan that works with us will be there...we (I) am not against anyone...In fact I think if chosing between several groups I would chose the Bransom group...
So it is not saying I am against WWF for I am not...but I know who suffers in the foreign countries because of Big Brothers disagreements...the little ones....

[Sister Alvear]

No Problem, I agree the "American" has done great harm on foreign soil by offering money to the nationals. It has been one of the greatest hinderances to pure missions works such as you and your husband, and many others. Fortunately for me, I had some wonderful missions advisors that warned me against this when I first started missions work some 10+ years ago. What I have witnessed in India, the Philippines, and a few other places is almost a bidding war pledging allegiance to whoever will pay the highest. IMHO this prostitutes the Gospel and does much harm.

I agree with you on this my brother...

[Sister Alvear]

I personally KNOW missionaries that pay salaries to their preachers and the preachers have no real convictions...it is a job to them not a divine calling...when the dollars cease so does the work...
I personally helped a couple that came to me and asked for holiness clothes to go attend a seminar another missionary requires his workers to go to so they could come back and work in that work as "paid workers"...and they laughed about it...
They are friends of mine...they laughed and said how they would have to dress, get rid of their tv...it was no conviction...just a job...

I don´t believe in things like that...
I am NOT saying you or anyone else that writes on this board does things like that BUT it does happen...
If we are not careful instead of the devil our brother becomes our worst enemy and nightmare...

[Sister Alvear]

If missionaries could work closely together instead of in competition then the world could be evangelized at a faster rate…that does not mean we have to see eye to eye for that will never happen...
I never told my boys much less my girls about all the fighting in the states...It was quite a surprize to them...

[Sister Alvear]

let me say once again I am not upc so I am not taking up for them. I am trying to look at the work of God and not a card...

[Sister Alvear]

please take note I am not trying to offend anyone...I just think some things would be better off not said on the mission field...
I love the work of the Lord and I am sure each one that writes here sacrifices great things for the kingdom...may His kingdom on earth be as His kingdom in heaven.

[bishoph]

Mother Alvear, I think we are in 100% agreement.

[Sister Alvear]

Why don´t you come and visit us in Brazil? You would find a precious group of saints that by mouth KNOW nothing of America´s woes...sometimes they find things out through others and come and ask me if I knew I just smile at them...

I don´t want to run down others for I may need them tomorrow...I know there are a few people that destroy themselves...there is nothing I can do about people like that. Some people will not listen...

Not long ago Brother Alvear and I sat beside an old dying pastor...he had been in about every Jesus Name work in Brazil...stolen money from us, sold churches and pocketed the money...planted strife in the heart of his own children ...sought power in each group he belonged to...underminded leaders...etc...
He called for us and we went...he hardly had the strength to ask forgivness...we wept with him and told him all was well and we had no hard feelings that he could die in peace...
I have seen so many get wrapped up in church fights...and maybe not loose their souls but their children´s souls were lost over things they heard and saw...

[Kings Kid]

My friend, you obviously know nothing about the Philippine trip. I was there.......not one time was anyone (UPCI or otherwise) offered any money to "join the WPF." In fact the pastors who I preached for in Bohol did not even know I was not UPCI. They did not know because we had no discussion with them regarding the UPCI/WPF. We were in Bohol to plan a conference for later this year (which has been done for the past 7-8 years) not to recruit members to the WPF.

I did make a WPF presentation to pastors in Manila, in a meeting that I arranged and sponsored. This was with a group of pastors that I have worked with for a number of years who are independent, and from what was posted here on AFF, are folks that the UPCI wouldn't be interested in. There were some UPCI ministers who attended that meeting, however, they were not invited by us. They came at the invite of some of my Philippine pastors. We made it very clear to all of them that the WPF was a new Fellowship forming in the states and that we did not know when/if we would be establishing a WPF Philippines, as that is not really part of the missions structure of the WPF.

I will not engage in a long drawn out discussion on this topic again..........however, when I see untruths being stated, I get a little agitated.

Please do not take my response as a personal attack. I am not against anyone on this forum, I just think we need to be factual.

I got this information from a minister that just got back from the Philippines in the last few weeks.

[bishoph]

I got this information from a minister that just got back from the Philippines in the last few weeks.

I understand, however, your source is incorrect. I know that there are many rumors going around both here in the states and in the PI. They are simply that......rumors. Again I was there and I know what was or was not offered. I have said it before and I will say it again.......let anyone produce a single pastor/leader or otherwise that we either spoke to directly or that was in any one of our meetings/services who will be willing to make an official statement that they were offered money by any one of the three of us that were there. It won't happen, because it didn't happen!

[tstew]

The subheading of the "Tulsa Tango" is right on because a lot of this is a sidetrack. Everyday close to 250,000 people die. Many without the Apostolic message. If the devil can get people distracted and ocuupied with a bunch of foolishness and pettiness, he is ultimately the winner. Even if we eventually "fix" things and get things back right. In the interim we are losing at a pace of 10,000 souls an hour. Do we really have time to fight over politics and positions and persepectives?

I know I am new here but it is interesting that this thread has taken a turn towards missions sometime after I posted this. I am the son of a long, long, time missionary who has been pioneering in the way he trains and equips the nationals. He is in a country that has suffered a lot in the last few decades and at some points the UPCI was the only foreign assistance in the country. My perspective of all of this is shaded by my concern of what potential impact some of these things can have on global evangelism...which I'm sure we can all agree is our primary purpose as a church.
With my parents being on the mission field for more than 25 years, I can appreciate some of the stories about things possibly not being done perfectly by every missionary. But I don't have the time to even begin to teall all the great success stories that I know as well.

[Sister Alvear]

And that is why you will not find me speaking evil of the UPCI or any other group...we are all humans and of course mistakes are made. Does the UPCI do everything right? OF course not! Have I done everything right? Of course not! Sadly mistakes are made...we are all flesh and blood...however we are penetrating the dark night of paganism and we desperately need one another. We can do far more united than we can do divided.
There may have been a time that lone mavricks were needed but today we need joint efforts to reach the masses of men and women that will be forever lost unless we reach them.
I do not have time to fight my brother...the night is far spent the day is at hand...

[S.Hart]

I may go, but Branson is just about as corrupt a place as Vegas. Still deciding on this one. I may also be booked that weekend.

[MawMaw]

Is this a joke? I think I am missing something here.... I mean, I know these preachers preach against tv and such..... but to make these kind of remarks is tasteless... please forgive me if I misread the posts...drive by posting at it's best.... I don't agree with all preachers, but I can't stand the insinuations here.... totally disrespectful to God's people....:kickcan


I agree.....how can Holyghost flled saints of God be so hateful towards each other?

[RandyWayne]

I may go, but Branson is just about as corrupt a place as Vegas. Still deciding on this one. I may also be booked that weekend.


Ummmm.... Branson is not even close to being in the same league as Vegas. :)

(And a lot of Vegas ISN'T that bad....)

[LadyChocolate]

I agree.....how can Holyghost flled saints of God be so hateful towards each other?

I think the problem is that some think it is okay to say such terrible things because they don't agree with that particular group or person. When one doesn't agree with what you believe, then respect is thrown out the window. I am very conservative...but I do respect others.....there is never any excuse to attack a man's integrity even in the guise of joking around....jmho

[Kings Kid]

I think the problem is that some think it is okay to say such terrible things because they don't agree with that particular group or person. When one doesn't agree with what you believe, then respect is thrown out the window. I am very conservative...but I do respect others.....there is never any excuse to attack a man's integrity even in the guise of joking around....jmho
You're taking what I said way to serious. I do respect some of these men. If you new me at all you would know that I joke around a lot . If I offended you I didn't mean to.

[LadyChocolate]

You're taking what I said way to serious. I do respect some of these men. If you new me at all you would know that I joke around a lot . If I offended you I didn't mean to.

oh, I am sorry.... I know I quoted you and I should not have.... I was actually referring to the poster who accused these men of watching porn...and I know it wasn't you from the post I read... I am so sorry you thought I have been attacking your post... Again, if I could go back, I would take yours out of quotes.... Please accept my sincere apologies:friend

[Kings Kid]

oh, I am sorry.... I know I quoted you and I should not have.... I was actually referring to the poster who accused these men of watching porn...and I know it wasn't you from the post I read... I am so sorry you thought I have been attacking your post... Again, if I could go back, I would take yours out of quotes.... Please accept my sincere apologies:friend
Your apology is accepted. I have go back and read this whole thread because I missed that comment about the porn.I do agree with you that is a very tasteless. comment for someone to make.

[TalkLady]

let me say once again I am not upc so I am not taking up for them. I am trying to look at the work of God and not a card...


I love it - I am talking about the way you express yourself, Sis. Alvear. So many times I just want to say: I agree!!!

:friend

[Kings Kid]

Has anybody heard yet how the Branson meetings are going.

[Sister Alvear]

just talked to my son he said it has been awesome up to now...no fighting...

Brother Booker is a prince. He preached this morning and Raul jr said it was very good and a pastor Reeves today. ( I do not know him) Raul Jr also said he was awesome....

May God use them all in their many differences to win a lost and dying world.

I have no fights...with anyone except the devil....

[Sister Alvear]

I love it - I am talking about the way you express yourself, Sis. Alvear. So many times I just want to say: I agree!!!

:friend





I just want my heart to be pure and clean...
Love you dear friend...

[Kings Kid]

just talked to my son he said it has been awesome up to now...no fighting...

Brother Booker is a prince. He preached this morning and Raul jr said it was very good and a pastor Reeves today. ( I do not know him) Raul Jr also said he was awesome....

May God use them all in their many differences to win a lost and dying world.

I have no fights...with anyone except the devil....
Thanks for the update.

[bishoph]

I have been told that the attendance is somewhere between 8-900 with 5-600 preachers/ministers.

[Sister Alvear]

Sometimes God uses differences to reach the world...men fuss and fight and run to the world to preach..I hope we can have the spirit of the Lord and see whatever group as Jesus did...if they are not against Jesus that is the most important thing...

[Hoovie]

Sometimes God uses differences to reach the world...men fuss and fight and run to the world to preach..I hope we can have the spirit of the Lord and see whatever group as Jesus did...if they are not against Jesus that is the most important thing...

Amen, I have not ruled out the possibility (or likelyhood) that God may use this for His glory, and propel the Gospel forward using both factions in a way that was not possible before!

[Jekyll]

The subheading of the "Tulsa Tango" is right on because a lot of this is a sidetrack. Everyday close to 250,000 people die. Many without the Apostolic message. If the devil can get people distracted and ocuupied with a bunch of foolishness and pettiness, he is ultimately the winner. Even if we eventually "fix" things and get things back right. In the interim we are losing at a pace of 10,000 souls an hour. Do we really have time to fight over politics and positions and persepectives?

I know I am new here but it is interesting that this thread has taken a turn towards missions sometime after I posted this. I am the son of a long, long, time missionary who has been pioneering in the way he trains and equips the nationals. He is in a country that has suffered a lot in the last few decades and at some points the UPCI was the only foreign assistance in the country. My perspective of all of this is shaded by my concern of what potential impact some of these things can have on global evangelism...which I'm sure we can all agree is our primary purpose as a church.
With my parents being on the mission field for more than 25 years, I can appreciate some of the stories about things possibly not being done perfectly by every missionary. But I don't have the time to even begin to teall all the great success stories that I know as well.
I know you are new here, but that's okay, everyone takes the time to bump their own posts now and then and toot their own horn a little.

I totally appreciate how you feel about missions. But without organization, how would we send our 30, 40, 50 bucks a month? Would we send it to Bob in Uganda? To Janie in Belgium? Without organization precious resources are wasted. When the Bible says that everything should be done in order, we do our best to get the best bang for the buck.

I disagree about the tango travesty. This forum wails and gnashes its teeth when the AoG are disparaged, when Charasmatics are exposed for what they are, but an Apostolic fellowship of bretheren can be belittled and discounted to being a tango? Rot and filth is what I call that hypocrisy.

[Dimples]

I know you are new here, but that's okay, everyone takes the time to bump their own posts now and then and toot their own horn a little.

I totally appreciate how you feel about missions. But without organization, how would we send our 30, 40, 50 bucks a month? Would we send it to Bob in Uganda? To Janie in Belgium? Without organization precious resources are wasted. When the Bible says that everything should be done in order, we do our best to get the best bang for the buck.

I disagree about the tango travesty. This forum wails and gnashes its teeth when the AoG are disparaged, when Charasmatics are exposed for what they are, but an Apostolic fellowship of bretheren can be belittled and discounted to being a tango? Rot and filth is what I call that hypocrisy.

You seem to have a problem with this forum, yet you still come and post your distaste for it. Why don't you focus on all the other things and get your eyes off the few things you don't like?

[pelathais]

Sometimes God uses differences to reach the world...men fuss and fight and run to the world to preach..I hope we can have the spirit of the Lord and see whatever group as Jesus did...if they are not against Jesus that is the most important thing...
I am reminded of Paul and Barnabas. They has such differing views on qualifications for the ministry that they could no long work together. Acts 15:36-41.

Of course, it was the guy with the "higher standards" (Paul) who would realize how wrong he was, much later in his life. 2 Timothy 4:11.

[pelathais]

You seem to have a problem with this forum, yet you still come and post your distaste for it. Why don't you focus on all the other things and get your eyes off the few things you don't like?
Because he's Jekyll and it's his oneriness that we love the most about him.

[Jekyll]

You seem to have a problem with this forum, yet you still come and post your distaste for it. Why don't you focus on all the other things and get your eyes off the few things you don't like?
Hiya, Dimples.


Just trying to give love a chance.


Online forums that are relatively anonymous give peole a good chance to be hypocritical and inconsistent. For instance, one person can say something out of one side of the mouth then speak out of the other side of his mouth under another screen name.

It is easy to slap people on the back when you agree with them. When a place has moved to all sides of a spectrum as FCF-NFCF-AFF has the movement can be stabilized if people keep to principles and not innuendo, back slapping, knee jerk, or status quo. Obviously this forum has moved to an altogether different world.

Why come around and momentarily leave lurk land? Oh, I suppose it's morbid curiosity. Why do people slow down to look at accidents? Why do people gather around a house burning down? Dunno. But when people say things about people, situations I hold dear, I respond even if it is only once in awhile. Maybe I ought to really just close the casket like most other good bretheren have. :hmmm

[Jekyll]

Because he's Jekyll and it's his oneriness that we love the most about him.
YOU might be able to sing Barney, but I can't


lol

[pelathais]

YOU might be able to sing Barney, but I can't


lol
"I love you, you love me, we're a happy family..." ???

I do love you tho, bro. At least that onery online persona of yours. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And the "Tango" thing should not be considered an insult. It's just the common use of an alliterative.

[Fiyahstarter]

Why come around and momentarily leave lurk land? Oh, I suppose it's morbid curiosity. Why do people slow down to look at accidents? Why do people gather around a house burning down? Dunno. But when people say things about people, situations I hold dear, I respond even if it is only once in awhile. Maybe I ought to really just close the casket like most other good bretheren have. :hmmm

Leaving us bad brethren to our own demise??

[Sister Alvear]

both camps contain many good brothers and sisters...

[AmazingGrace]

Because he's Jekyll and it's his oneriness that we love the most about him.

Speak for yourself ROFL!!!!

jk

[Jekyll]

Speak for yourself ROFL!!!!

jk
I'm like cough syrup. Only good for y'all in small doses. If you take too much cough syrup you can get addicted. I don't need anyone filling up my inbox now.

[AmazingGrace]

I'm like cough syrup. Only good for y'all in small doses. If you take too much cough syrup you can get addicted. I don't need anyone filling up my inbox now.

LOL

Do we have to have a prescription for it? I know most narcotics you do...Thats why everyone who says you drive em nuts... keeps coming back for more! A bad drug that dont go away KIDDINGGGGGGGG. LOL

I am messin w ya :)

[Jekyll]

LOL

Do we have to have a prescription for it? I know most narcotics you do...Thats why everyone who says you drive em nuts... keeps coming back for more! A bad drug that dont go away KIDDINGGGGGGGG. LOL

I am messin w ya :)
Do you have a fever?? I've got more cowbell...:evilglee

[Sister Alvear]

If you were really up in the world you could get them pills without a prescription ..gotta know the "right" organization...ha...

[rgcraig]

From my SIL today:

Branson is FLOODING!! They have started evacuating people in both Branson & Hollister along the lake.

The Corp of Engineers is getting ready to open the dam to release more water and they said if Table Rock crest (only 5’ to go) before a certain time today they will have to open the dam to release more water than has ever been done and they are estimating that it will elevate Taneycomo 9-10 feet above what it already is. The Landing is on Taneycomo and one of the parking lots already has water to it.

[SOUNWORTHY]

From my SIL today:

Branson is FLOODING!! They have started evacuating people in both Branson & Hollister along the lake.


Did those good WPF brothers put a curse on that evil city with all it's TV stars??:notme