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On another thread, it has been said that life begins when the embryo produces it's own blood.
I believe life begins at conception.
You know,
when the lucky little squiggler breaks through and the "spark"
begins.
What do You think?
Nina :)
RandyWayne
03-21-2008, 09:25 PM
Well, the blood starts flowing and the brain starts "braining" at near the exact same time. And prior to that, a majority of fertilized eggs don't make it.
Which leads me to believe that that "spark" when the soul and spirit are created happens when the physical body is read to receive it.
But..... I really doubt there is anything I could ever say to change your, or anyone else's, mind.
On another thread, it has been said that life begins when the embryo produces it's own blood.
I believe life begins at conception.
You know,
when the lucky little squiggler breaks through and the "spark"
begins.
What do You think?
Nina :)
I agree with you.
Others will quote the life is in the blood.
That may be true but you have to be 2 cells coming together to "beome life"
All of your Genetic code is found in the very first meeting of these 2 cells.
I know we have been through the genetic testing with our son...
Your genetic code does not mutate to become a fetus then a baby then a child than an adult.
The gene's and chemicals in the cells as they split become active.
The cell in your bone marrow at 70 has nothing more than those first 2 cells that met to become you.
The act of dying is the forces of the environment coming in contact with your cells.
You are never more pure of a creature then the very first cells who become one.
As the cells began to regenerate and split from 2 cells to 4 then 4 to 8 etc.
The next set of cells become weaker and weaker.
That is the reason for the body aging...
I could say more....
You are simply at your greatest form genetically at the joining of the first 2 cells.
Even if you become a genetic recessive disorder.
Your greatest order is at the joining of the 2 cells...
Take that to the abortion folks....
Well, the blood starts flowing and the brain starts "braining" at near the exact same time. And prior to that, a majority of fertilized eggs don't make it.
Which leads me to believe that that "spark" when the soul and spirit are created happens when the physical body is read to receive it.
But..... I really doubt there is anything I could ever say to change your, or anyone else's, mind.
Bro,
Does this mean that You endorse embryonic stem cell research?
Nina
RandyWayne
03-21-2008, 10:33 PM
No.
Simply because adult stem cells are the ONLY ones that show any promise of anything. There is no need to use embryonic ones.
Plus, pro-abortionist/choicers don't make a distinction of "Human=heart pumping" and "non-human(yet)=heart not pumping".
The simple fact is is that you could take a cell from inside the cheek, combine it with another cheek cell, implant it in the uterious, and it could become a baby. (A carbon copy clone of the mother, albeit with a ton of genetic problems....)
I agree with you.
Others will quote the life is in the blood.
That may be true but you have to be 2 cells coming together to "beome life"
All of your Genetic code is found in the very first meeting of these 2 cells.
I know we have been through the genetic testing with our son...
Your genetic code does not mutate to become a fetus then a baby then a child than an adult.
The gene's and chemicals in the cells as they split become active.
The cell in your bone marrow at 70 has nothing more than those first 2 cells that met to become you.
The act of dying is the forces of the environment coming in contact with your cells.
You are never more pure of a creature then the very first cells who become one.
As the cells began to regenerate and split from 2 cells to 4 then 4 to 8 etc.
The next set of cells become weaker and weaker.
That is the reason for the body aging...
I could say more....
You are simply at your greatest form genetically at the joining of the first 2 cells.
Even if you become a genetic recessive disorder.
Your greatest order is at the joining of the 2 cells...
Take that to the abortion folks....
Brother,
You have studied this more than I.
At this point about all I have is a gut feeling that once conception occurs You have life.
I don't understand how or why anyone believes otherwise.
Thanks for Your input.
Nina
gloryseeker
03-21-2008, 11:27 PM
Well, the blood starts flowing and the brain starts "braining" at near the exact same time. And prior to that, a majority of fertilized eggs don't make it.
Which leads me to believe that that "spark" when the soul and spirit are created happens when the physical body is read to receive it.
But..... I really doubt there is anything I could ever say to change your, or anyone else's, mind.
I have always held the belief that life begins at inception, BUT the argument of the life is in the blood, which has scriptural backing and corresponds with science has A LOT of merit to it.
ChristopherHall
03-22-2008, 01:37 AM
I believe that we often resort to biological concepts in defining when life begins. However, theologically speaking, life begins in the heart and mind of the Creator. Life originates with God, not a biological process.
gloryseeker
03-22-2008, 10:28 AM
I believe that we often resort to biological concepts in defining when life begins. However, theologically speaking, life begins in the heart and mind of the Creator. Life originates with God, not a biological process.
You make a very good point, but in your point you also have to consider that God has bound Himself to His Word and a biblical case can be made for life being in the blood.
I am not advocating that as truth, but a very solid case can be made.
Brother,
You have studied this more than I.
At this point about all I have is a gut feeling that once conception occurs You have life.
I don't understand how or why anyone believes otherwise.
Thanks for Your input.
Nina
My information came from a Frech doctor who was at the Great Lakes Genetic Medical center in Milwaukee, WI.
Our first son was born with Fanconi Anemia a very rare recessive blood disorder.
When we went to have a second child.
We wanted to try and have a child to match his bone marrow type.
In 1993 the advancements of today were not available.
The very first selection of bone marrow typing done in a dish at the splitting of cells after conception in a lab.
For the purposes of selecting a human to not have a genetic disease and match another sibblings mone marrow type was done at Fairview University Hospital in Minn, MN.
A few years ago.
The girl that was born and matched her brothers Bone marrow as a perfect match.
Was born to save her older 3 year old brother who had Fanconi Anemia.
They then took his T-Cells from the cord blood and administered a Bone marrow transplant with the T-cells.
The richest T-cells a person will ever have in their body are the cord blood T-Cells which are trasferred at the cutting of the cord.
In hard births these cells are cut off and cause jaundice.
It takes up to 14 days for the Bone Marrow to produce enough T-cells when that happens for a baby to be secure.
That is why many jaundice births require a child to be placed in an incubator.
Our second son did not match our first son.
Our youngest son still has a 25% chance of being a Fanconi carrier of the recessive gene.
The chance of my wife and I having the same recessive genetic disorder is one in 340,000 chances of 2 people having a child.
That is increased with the fact there is only a 25% chance that each of our children would have the disease.
The person who matched my son was a 24 year old white male from the eastern timezone of the US.
He has never agreed to come forward.
We do however send him pictures and notes through the BMT registration center.
He has sent prayers and continued hopes back to our son.
My thoughts are why did such a young man take the time to donate his Bone Marrow for a child?
I personally think he was in the military or he is in prison.
In both of these cases thier bone marrow is typed when a DNA extraction is taken when entering both system.
Only 10 % of those that donate Bone Marrow refuse to have personal contact 3 years after survival of the patient.
The same French doctor told us that this man is in our genetic family bloodline according to his DNA profile.
It was a great act of kindness this man gave us and my son.
Here is my sons website.
My wife has kept it for over 4 years.
He had his transplant at Fairview University Hospital in July 2004.
Priase the Lord!
http://www.caringbridge.org/wi/johnathaneckstadt/index.htm
I have always held the belief that life begins at inception, BUT the argument of the life is in the blood, which has scriptural backing and corresponds with science has A LOT of merit to it.
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But from where does the blood come?
If you cutoff the spiltting of the cells by throwing the dish in the trash.
You have cut off the motion of life that leads to the blood.
You have stopped the energy of God.
I believe that you have commited a greater sin than murder.
Because you may have caused the body and soul to perhaps.... never meet.
As to the fate of that soul their is no scripture nor theological concept.
You have however stopped the law of God started from the offspring of Adam.
You therefore may be committing the same sin as Lucifer as he put himself up as being equal to or greater than God.
I do not understand the advancement of science in wanting to expand our lifespan.
Medical science wants to increase the lifespan of humans year after year.
Yet millions are cutoff before they can breath their first breath.
A woman has the "right" to choose.
It is her body.
So she prefers her body over the body and soul of another!
That is the direct opposite of the holiday we are celebrating this weekend.
Christ gave his body for the body and souls of all mankind.
So to abort a child is the greatest act of selfishness.
As for rape and health of a woman.
I understand the pain and suffering.
That question is very hard to answer...
As for any woman who has had an abortion.
We should not outcast them.
We should reach out to them and pray for their hearts to be healed in the arms of God.
These dear ladies need the church to reach out them.
In love and understanding...
scotty
03-22-2008, 11:43 AM
On another thread, it has been said that life begins when the embryo produces it's own blood.
I believe life begins at conception.
You know,
when the lucky little squiggler breaks through and the "spark"
begins.
What do You think?
Nina :)
I would say you are right,
Conception seems to be the answer in the only Book that matters.
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch
For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.
And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived
Even Christ life was at conception.
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Conception is shown here as being inside mother.
I would say you are right,
Conception seems to be the answer in the only Book that matters.
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch
For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.
And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived
Even Christ life was at conception.
20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Conception is shown here as being inside mother.
I truely agree with your thoughts....
No.
Simply because adult stem cells are the ONLY ones that show any promise of anything. There is no need to use embryonic ones.
Plus, pro-abortionist/choicers don't make a distinction of "Human=heart pumping" and "non-human(yet)=heart not pumping".
The simple fact is is that you could take a cell from inside the cheek, combine it with another cheek cell, implant it in the uterious, and it could become a baby. (A carbon copy clone of the mother, albeit with a ton of genetic problems....)
Brother,
There seems to be a disagreement with Your assessment here:
Embryonic stem cells can become all cell types of the body because they are pluripotent. Adult stem cells are generally limited to differentiating into different cell types of their tissue of origin. However, some evidence suggests that adult stem cell plasticity may exist, increasing the number of cell types a given adult stem cell can become.
Large numbers of embryonic stem cells can be relatively easily grown in culture, while adult stem cells are rare in mature tissues and methods for expanding their numbers in cell culture have not yet been worked out. This is an important distinction, as large numbers of cells are needed for stem cell replacement therapies.
So If life doesn't begin til the 12th day after conception,
what's wrong with Embryonic Stem Cell Research.
Nina
And why do they call it conception anyway?
My information came from a Frech doctor who was at the Great Lakes Genetic Medical center in Milwaukee, WI.
Our first son was born with Fanconi Anemia a very rare recessive blood disorder.
When we went to have a second child.
We wanted to try and have a child to match his bone marrow type.
In 1993 the advancements of today were not available.
The very first selection of bone marrow typing done in a dish at the splitting of cells after conception in a lab.
For the purposes of selecting a human to not have a genetic disease and match another sibblings mone marrow type was done at Fairview University Hospital in Minn, MN.
A few years ago.
The girl that was born and matched her brothers Bone marrow as a perfect match.
Was born to save her older 3 year old brother who had Fanconi Anemia.
They then took his T-Cells from the cord blood and administered a Bone marrow transplant with the T-cells.
The richest T-cells a person will ever have in their body are the cord blood T-Cells which are trasferred at the cutting of the cord.
In hard births these cells are cut off and cause jaundice.
It takes up to 14 days for the Bone Marrow to produce enough T-cells when that happens for a baby to be secure.
That is why many jaundice births require a child to be placed in an incubator.
Our second son did not match our first son.
Our youngest son still has a 25% chance of being a Fanconi carrier of the recessive gene.
The chance of my wife and I having the same recessive genetic disorder is one in 340,000 chances of 2 people having a child.
That is increased with the fact there is only a 25% chance that each of our children would have the disease.
The person who matched my son was a 24 year old white male from the eastern timezone of the US.
He has never agreed to come forward.
We do however send him pictures and notes through the BMT registration center.
He has sent prayers and continued hopes back to our son.
My thoughts are why did such a young man take the time to donate his Bone Marrow for a child?
I personally think he was in the military or he is in prison.
In both of these cases thier bone marrow is typed when a DNA extraction is taken when entering both system.
Only 10 % of those that donate Bone Marrow refuse to have personal contact 3 years after survival of the patient.
The same French doctor told us that this man is in our genetic family bloodline according to his DNA profile.
It was a great act of kindness this man gave us and my son.
Here is my sons website.
My wife has kept it for over 4 years.
He had his transplant at Fairview University Hospital in July 2004.
Priase the Lord!
http://www.caringbridge.org/wi/johnathaneckstadt/index.htm
Brother,
It's amazing what people will do to affirm life.
It's also amazing what people will do to deny life.
Your son sounds like a determined young man.
Your wife is equally determined I'm sure!
How old is Johnathan?
Nina
Brother,
It's amazing what people will do to affirm life.
It's also amazing what people will do to deny life.
Your son sounds like a determined young man.
Your wife is equally determined I'm sure!
How old is Johnathan?
Nina
He will be 18 in April and will be a senior in High School.
He does not wair his hair as long.
One of the traits with his condition is that they have small heads.
In 1993 when he was diagnosed.
The average age was 7.
Bone marrow transplants with his condition were not started until 1996.
At that time 80% of the children died using non-related doners.
I praise God for the man who helped him.
He gave in the spirit of Christ.
I praise God for the man who helped him.
He gave in the spirit of Christ.
Amen, Brother.
I hear it is painful for the donor.
God Bless him!
Nina
A_PoMo
03-23-2008, 08:52 PM
life begins when you fall in love.
gloryseeker
03-23-2008, 09:44 PM
life begins when you fall in love.
some may say that's when it ended :bliss
RandyWayne
03-25-2008, 03:44 PM
Brother,
There seems to be a disagreement with Your assessment here:
Embryonic stem cells can become all cell types of the body because they are pluripotent. Adult stem cells are generally limited to differentiating into different cell types of their tissue of origin. However, some evidence suggests that adult stem cell plasticity may exist, increasing the number of cell types a given adult stem cell can become.
Large numbers of embryonic stem cells can be relatively easily grown in culture, while adult stem cells are rare in mature tissues and methods for expanding their numbers in cell culture have not yet been worked out. This is an important distinction, as large numbers of cells are needed for stem cell replacement therapies.
So If life doesn't begin til the 12th day after conception,
what's wrong with Embryonic Stem Cell Research.
Nina
And why do they call it conception anyway?
It is not the 12th day after conception. It is when the heart and brain begin functioning, which is a few weeks after that.
Another interesting question: If life begins AT conception (in terms of the soul and spirit being created as well) what happens when a couple of days later, the egg splits and identical twins form? Twins can be created in the lab by the way during this time.
During this time the body is being prepared, but is not yet formed. This is certainly a time period when a host for the soul and spirit is in formation but not yet ready.
And why do they call it conception anyway?
This is when the body starts forming. People would be genuinly shocked to know how many fertilized eggs in a human never result in a baby being born.
It is not the 12th day after conception. It is when the heart and brain begin functioning, which is a few weeks after that.
Another interesting question: If life begins AT conception (in terms of the soul and spirit being created as well) what happens when a couple of days later, the egg splits and identical twins form? Twins can be created in the lab by the way during this time.
During this time the body is being prepared, but is not yet formed. This is certainly a time period when a host for the soul and spirit is in formation but not yet ready.
This is when the body starts forming. People would be genuinly shocked to know how many fertilized eggs in a human never result in a baby being born.
Brother Randy,
This is from www.religioustolerence.org
"We assume that blood first appears at the time that the human embryo's heart begins to beat. (We are confident that we will receive a flood of Emails correcting us if this is not true.) This occurs at about 18 to 21 days after conception -- before the embryo develops limbs, a head, a brain, etc. It is about 1/12" long, the size of a pencil point. It most closely resembles a worm - long and thin and with a segmented end. More details.
Allowing for a four-day safety factor, the cutoff date for ethical stem cell research using the blood criterion might be ethically set at 14 days. This happens to be when the embryo develops a "primitive streak." The streak eventually develops in to the embryo's brain and central nervous system. Some suggest "...that an embryo should not be regarded as a unique individual before this point," 1 because it can spontaneously split into two embryos with identical DNA, and lead to the birth of identical twins. Fourteen days is also longest interval that an embryo can be maintained in culture. Regulations in many countries cite 14 days as the limit for scientific research.
The author suggests in the following essay that "...a bloodless embryo could be made available for research without incurring the wrath of God because of the shedding of innocent blood, since no blood is shed....the use of a bloodless embryo in research to give hope and perhaps eventually cures to debilitating illnesses should be encouraged and supported..."
Do You agree?
Nina
gloryseeker
03-26-2008, 11:11 AM
Brother Randy,
This is from www.religioustolerence.org
"We assume that blood first appears at the time that the human embryo's heart begins to beat. (We are confident that we will receive a flood of Emails correcting us if this is not true.) This occurs at about 18 to 21 days after conception -- before the embryo develops limbs, a head, a brain, etc. It is about 1/12" long, the size of a pencil point. It most closely resembles a worm - long and thin and with a segmented end. More details.
Allowing for a four-day safety factor, the cutoff date for ethical stem cell research using the blood criterion might be ethically set at 14 days. This happens to be when the embryo develops a "primitive streak." The streak eventually develops in to the embryo's brain and central nervous system. Some suggest "...that an embryo should not be regarded as a unique individual before this point," 1 because it can spontaneously split into two embryos with identical DNA, and lead to the birth of identical twins. Fourteen days is also longest interval that an embryo can be maintained in culture. Regulations in many countries cite 14 days as the limit for scientific research.
The author suggests in the following essay that "...a bloodless embryo could be made available for research without incurring the wrath of God because of the shedding of innocent blood, since no blood is shed....the use of a bloodless embryo in research to give hope and perhaps eventually cures to debilitating illnesses should be encouraged and supported..."
Do You agree?
Nina
For me, I think the argument that the life is in the blood is a very interesting one with some scriptural support. However, my belief is that in God's design "life" begins at conception and am against the destruction of life.
The scientific "thing" you describe above, even though it has not blood, is alive because it is growing.
John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (KJV)
I realize that I am taking the above scripture out of context, but my point is there is a "life" that is absent of flesh and blood. I believe that the life of the creator is manifested at conception. This is why no scientist has ever been able to take matter and manifest life. They can only take living things and manipulate them into other forms of living things.
To me this is one of the most powerful arguments against the theory of evolution. With all the great minds, tools, and scientific breakthroughs no one has ever originated life except God.
If a group of scientist were ever able to do this, it would only further prove "Intelligent Design" -- God is awesome and His name should be exalted!
RandyWayne
03-26-2008, 11:20 AM
Brother Randy,
This is from www.religioustolerence.org
"We assume that blood first appears at the time that the human embryo's heart begins to beat. (We are confident that we will receive a flood of Emails correcting us if this is not true.) This occurs at about 18 to 21 days after conception -- before the embryo develops limbs, a head, a brain, etc. It is about 1/12" long, the size of a pencil point. It most closely resembles a worm - long and thin and with a segmented end. More details.
Allowing for a four-day safety factor, the cutoff date for ethical stem cell research using the blood criterion might be ethically set at 14 days. This happens to be when the embryo develops a "primitive streak." The streak eventually develops in to the embryo's brain and central nervous system. Some suggest "...that an embryo should not be regarded as a unique individual before this point," 1 because it can spontaneously split into two embryos with identical DNA, and lead to the birth of identical twins. Fourteen days is also longest interval that an embryo can be maintained in culture. Regulations in many countries cite 14 days as the limit for scientific research.
The author suggests in the following essay that "...a bloodless embryo could be made available for research without incurring the wrath of God because of the shedding of innocent blood, since no blood is shed....the use of a bloodless embryo in research to give hope and perhaps eventually cures to debilitating illnesses should be encouraged and supported..."
Do You agree?
Nina
I think this is sound reasoning but I still disagree with the "encouraged and supported" portion. Embryonic stem cells are simply inferior to adult and don't even NEED to be studied other then for the simple sake of knowledge. If you look at where PRIVATE funding is going -it's not going to embryonic, but rather adult. Follow the money trail.... It is not about politics but about real results, or tries to be.
I think this is sound reasoning but I still disagree with the "encouraged and supported" portion. Embryonic stem cells are simply inferior to adult and don't even NEED to be studied other then for the simple sake of knowledge. If you look at where PRIVATE funding is going -it's not going to embryonic, but rather adult. Follow the money trail.... It is not about politics but about real results, or tries to be.
Brother,
I say again that there are those who disagree with You concerning adult vs embryonic studies. If there is no life, then would You deny them the possibilities of research?
Nina
For me, I think the argument that the life is in the blood is a very interesting one with some scriptural support. However, my belief is that in God's design "life" begins at conception and am against the destruction of life.
The scientific "thing" you describe above, even though it has not blood, is alive because it is growing.
Sister,
This is from the Association of Pro Life Physicians:
A scientific textbook called “Basics of Biology” gives five characteristics of living things; these five criteria are found in all modern elementary scientific textbooks:
1. Living things are highly organized.
2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.
3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.
4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.
5. All living things have an ability to adapt.
According to this elementary definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species). Non-living things do not do these things.
I say, "What God has joined together let no man put asunder!"
Nina
gloryseeker
03-26-2008, 04:26 PM
Sister,
This is from the Association of Pro Life Physicians:
A scientific textbook called “Basics of Biology” gives five characteristics of living things; these five criteria are found in all modern elementary scientific textbooks:
1. Living things are highly organized.
2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.
3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.
4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.
5. All living things have an ability to adapt.
According to this elementary definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species). Non-living things do not do these things.
I say, "What God has joined together let no man put asunder!"
Nina
It's brother, but that's okay :tantrum :ursofunny
I think we are agreeing...
It's brother, but that's okay :tantrum :ursofunny
I think we are agreeing...
Brother
A sane mind on our crazy left coast is reassuring!
Nina
RandyWayne
03-26-2008, 04:59 PM
A scientific textbook called “Basics of Biology” gives five characteristics of living things; these five criteria are found in all modern elementary scientific textbooks:
1. Living things are highly organized.
2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.
3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.
4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.
5. All living things have an ability to adapt.
On an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation, Data was asking about what constitutes life -since he was an android and always wanting to be more "human". Beverly Crusher gave a list nearly identical to this to which Data answered "Doesn't 'fire' also fit into this definition?".
Brother Randy,
Did You miss this?
Nina ;)
Brother,
I say again that there are those who disagree with You concerning adult vs embryonic studies. If there is no life, then would You deny them the possibilities of research?
Nina
Timmy
03-26-2008, 10:22 PM
Thought everyone knew: life begins at forty! :)
RandyWayne
03-26-2008, 10:54 PM
Brother Randy,
Did You miss this?
Nina
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nina View Post
Brother,
I say again that there are those who disagree with You concerning adult vs embryonic studies. If there is no life, then would You deny them the possibilities of research?
Nina
Sorry, I must have missed it. :)
For one thing, adult stem cells are where virtually ALL promise lies in terms of therapy. And 2nd, I don't trust people to properly use embryonic ones. Meaning, in a classic sense of "give a yard and they take a mile", as soon as any research is allowed you would have researchers using fetus's of ALL ages.
A compromise would be allowing fertilized eggs from fertility clinics.
Much of the debate rages about PUBLIC funding of said research..... As a good old conservative economists, I don't feel ANY public funding should be used -adult, embryonic, or otherwise.
Thought everyone knew: life begins at forty!
And yes, I certainly HOPE life begins at 40. :)
(Because I am almost there.)
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