Barak Believes Evolution Compatible w/Bible

[Dedicated Mind]

Last night (4/13) in the Compassion Forum from Messiah College, Barak Obama said he believes in evolution and that evolution is compatible with the Genesis account from the bible.

Genesis does say "Let the waters bring forth" on the 5th day and "Let the earth bring forth" on the 6th day. Do these scriptures support the theoy of evolution or did God create each animal individually? How did God create each animal?

[DividedThigh]

please, good grief, he also believes that people that like guns and have faith gravitate to those things because of there bitterness and anger toward economics and the govt, lol, dt

[RandyWayne]

Consider that Gen chapter 1 speaks of the entire history of the Universe up to the creation of man. Day 6 is the entirety of human history. Day 7 is the beginning of the new heaven and new Earth.

.....and it all flows so seamlessly! People need to see beyond the children's Bible pop-up book version of events.

But yes, the Bible speaks of CREATION.

[ChristopherHall]

Last night (4/13) in the Compassion Forum from Messiah College, Barak Obama said he believes in evolution and that evolution is compatible with the Genesis account from the bible.

Genesis does say "Let the waters bring forth" on the 5th day and "Let the earth bring forth" on the 6th day. Do these scriptures support the theoy of evolution or did God create each animal individually? How did God create each animal?

Some believe in what is known as “Scientific Creationism”. According to this teaching the earth is only between 6 and 10 thousand years old and dinosaurs lived along side man up until the great global flood in the time of Noah. They hold that God created all things instantly, in mass, by commanding that the earth and waters bring forth. They also hold that the days’ of Genesis are literally six 24 hour days.

Some believe in an old earth version of Creationism. There are primarily two schools of creationism in old earth creationism. The first is known as the Gap-Theory. This teaches that God created the Universe and all things in the dateless past, including dinosaurs. But after Satan was cast out of Heaven, the entire creation suffered death and destruction either under God’s wrath or at the hands of Satan who was a murderer from the “beginning”. They hold that this period of time took place in Genesis 1:1 and resulted in the chaos of Genesis 1:2. They also believe that God then took six literal days to RESTORE the earth and placed Adam in the garden to exercise dominion, a dominion Satan tricked Adam into surrendering through sin. The second school of old earth creationism is called “Day Age Creationism” and views the days of Genesis as being symbolic of “geologic ages”. This view is far more accepting of geologic and paleontological scientific data. Some believe that Adam and Eve were specialized creations miraculously created by God in the garden, or that the Genesis story is symbolic and that Adam and Eve evolved.

There is another view among “Creationists”. One is “Theistic Evolution”. Those who believe in this theory believe that evolution is the primary method God used to create life on earth. They view the Bible through the eyes of higher criticism. This means they believe the Genesis story is “divine myth”, a symbolic story expressing God’s step by step creation in symbolic generalities. They don’t believe Adam and Eve were REAL individuals who lived; they believe that the story of the Fall is a symbolic story explaining man’s sinful inclinations, God’s hatred of sin, man’s suffering, and spiritual death. They would say that the Genesis creation story is one re-lived in all of our lives on a daily basis when we willingly sin. To them it’s more of a story of mystical or spiritual truths than actual or factual history.

I’d guess Obama believes in “Theistic Evolution”. Or maybe, though less likely, “Day Age” creationism.

[Ferd]

Chirs, dont make excuses for your guy.

in context, Obama seperates his faith from public reasoning. (read his faith isnt reasonable).

He said very simply he believes in evolution. the quesiton concerned teaching intelegent design. He opposes ID being taught.

[ChristopherHall]

Chirs, dont make excuses for your guy.

in context, Obama seperates his faith from public reasoning. (read his faith isnt reasonable).

He said very simply he believes in evolution. the quesiton concerned teaching intelegent design. He opposes ID being taught.

Ferd, your an intelligent feller. Where did I offer an "excuse" for Obama? I merely stated my observations of the issue. Most likely he's a "Theistic Evolutionist". I specified that this view is part of theology based on higher criticism. Where did I say this view is a valid view?

If you're going to accuse me...please explain for me and the reader where I did what you're accusing me of. Or was this just another unjustified attack?

[Ferd]

Ferd, your an intelligent feller. Where did I offer an "excuse" for Obama? I merely stated my observations of the issue. Most likely he's a "Theistic Evolutionist". I specified that this view is part of theology based on higher criticism. Where did I say this view is a valid view?

If you're going to accuse me...please explain for me and the reader where I did what you're accusing me of. Or was this just another unjustified attack?

I didnt read what you wrote Chirs. I simply saw all those letters and surmised.

if Obama isnt your guy, and your post wasnt an attempt to defend Obama, then there you go. you got me.

[ChristopherHall]

I didnt read what you wrote Chirs. I simply saw all those letters and surmised.

if Obama isnt your guy, and your post wasnt an attempt to defend Obama, then there you go. you got me.

Ferd. I hear, Hooked On Phonics, can help that problem. LOL

[ChristopherHall]

I didnt read what you wrote Chirs. I simply saw all those letters and surmised.

if Obama isnt your guy, and your post wasnt an attempt to defend Obama, then there you go. you got me.

Proverbs 18:13
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

;)

[Ferd]

Proverbs 18:13
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

;)

he that speaketh verbosly often is left unheard.

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[ChristopherHall]

Ferd, do you believe in the dumbing down of America? I do. I've discovered if something can't fit on a bumper sticker some folks just melt down. Victims of a soundbite society. The problem is, without examination of the details all one has is a simplified statement that may or may not have any foundation in on facts or regard for the more complex details.

[Ferd]

Ferd, do you believe in the dumbing down of America? I do. I've discovered if something can't fit on a bumper sticker some folks just melt down. Victims of a soundbite society. The problem is, without examination of the details all one has is a simplified statement that may or may not have any foundation in on facts or regard for the more complex details.

Yes. the idiotic liberal teachers unions have been the ruination of the American Educational system.

Up with Vouchers!

Down with Teachers Unions!

Up with mesurable standards!

Down with Tenure!

[ChristopherHall]

Yes. the idiotic liberal teachers unions have been the ruination of the American Educational system.

I think that’s a highly politicized answer. It’s far more complicated than this. The American educational system is being ruined by parents who send their kids to school as though it’s government day care and don’t “parent” their kids at home. You can have the best schools, teachers, and educational materials but if parent’s aren’t parenting at home, it’s a lost cause.

As for the teacher’s union, I do see how some things the teacher’s union has done may undermine teachers but I wouldn’t pretend that the issue is so simple they could be blamed for the entire problem. C’mon, if the teacher’s union was really that powerful teacher pay wouldn’t be a national embarrassment. I know good men and women who were VERY qualified and SOUND educators. But they didn’t want to work for peanuts so they left teaching in the public sector and moved into the private sector.

Up with Vouchers!

Vouchers are overrated, but it might help some school districts. I’d say it’s a state issue.

Down with Teachers Unions!

Again, that’s not a cure all. Too simplistic.

Up with mesurable standards!

True. But how do we define measurable standards? The standards currently in place are just an exercise of memorization not education.

Down with Tenure!

I do agree here. We have to reward performance over tenure.

[Ferd]

I think that’s a highly politicized answer. It’s far more complicated than this. The American educational system is being ruined by parents who send their kids to school as though it’s government day care and don’t “parent” their kids at home. You can have the best schools, teachers, and educational materials but if parent’s aren’t parenting at home, it’s a lost cause.

As for the teacher’s union, I do see how some things the teacher’s union has done may undermine teachers but I wouldn’t pretend that the issue is so simple they could be blamed for the entire problem. C’mon, if the teacher’s union was really that powerful teacher pay wouldn’t be a national embarrassment. I know good men and women who were VERY qualified and SOUND educators. But they didn’t want to work for peanuts so they left teaching in the public sector and moved into the private sector.



Vouchers are overrated, but it might help some school districts. I’d say it’s a state issue.



Again, that’s not a cure all. Too simplistic.



True. But how do we define measurable standards? The standards currently in place are just an exercise of memorization not education.



I do agree here. We have to reward performance over tenure.


you can claim its more complicated than bad liberal teachers unions all you want chris, you are still right about tenure!

I come from a long line of educators. my grandpa was a principle for 37 years and a teacher for 2 years before that.

he had 6 brothers and 5 of them were teachers or principles.

my dad was a teacher, his sister is a teacher, i have a half dozen first cousins that are teachers, and some of their kids are as well.

they all say teachers unions are evil.

[Nahum]

The NEA is of the devil!!!!!

[ChristopherHall]

you can claim its more complicated than bad liberal teachers unions all you want chris, you are still right about tenure!

I come from a long line of educators. my grandpa was a principle for 37 years and a teacher for 2 years before that.

he had 6 brothers and 5 of them were teachers or principles.

my dad was a teacher, his sister is a teacher, i have a half dozen first cousins that are teachers, and some of their kids are as well.

they all say teachers unions are evil.

Most teachers I know aren't really thrilled about teacher's unions either. My point is that the REAL issue is parenting. I think the political powers that be like to spin issues as fodder to use against the other side without really addressing the REAL issue. Parents are failing to parent. You can flush teacher's unions but that does't fix the problem of American parents failing their kids.