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Connmega
04-15-2008, 09:08 AM
Just wondering what people think about the Mormon sect in Texas that had all the children removed by Children's Protective Services?

Any one want to comment?

Mike

Neck
04-15-2008, 04:09 PM
Just wondering what people think about the Mormon sect in Texas that had all the children removed by Children's Protective Services?

Any one want to comment?

Mike

They look like all the UPCI ladies at my church growing up.

Connmega
04-15-2008, 06:35 PM
I thought the same thing; they obviously have strict holiness standards

Mike

gloryseeker
04-16-2008, 02:46 PM
...they obviously have strict holiness standards

Holiness standard?????? There is nothing holy about them!

Sept5SavedTeen
04-16-2008, 09:20 PM
Holiness standard?????? There is nothing holy about them!

You can just give one broad statement on all Mormon polygamous. Obviously none of them are GOD's Holy People, but then again, there are no triniatarians that are part of GOD's Holy People. There are polygamous Mormon groups that are cultic and abusive and polygamous Mormon groups that are trying to live out the fundamentals of the Mormon faith.
Also, there's no prohibition of polygamy in the Bible, and the barring of polygamous men from being elders and deacons and bishops could have an interpretation no one expected... Perhaps GOD does not want men with multiple wives to hold those positions of leadership because HE understands their job, as men of many wives, is to take care of however many wives and children they have. I do believe every man who is able to be an elder, though, should seek to hold that position.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

PS- I DON'T believe polygamy is the ideal, neither do I want to practice it, but there's the other side.

gloryseeker
04-16-2008, 10:00 PM
... but then again, there are no triniatarians that are part of GOD's Holy People.

Your a nut!


There are polygamous Mormon groups that are cultic and abusive and polygamous Mormon groups that are trying to live out the fundamentals of the Mormon faith.
Also, there's no prohibition of polygamy in the Bible, and the barring of polygamous men from being elders and deacons and bishops could have an interpretation no one expected... Perhaps GOD does not want men with multiple wives to hold those positions of leadership because HE understands their job, as men of many wives, is to take care of however many wives and children they have.

There is nothing to be said of your logic or biblical understanding...

Sept5SavedTeen
04-16-2008, 10:25 PM
Your a nut!

Ungodly response. If trinitarians are GOD's people, then I guess Mormons can be too. GOD's people are the saved, and to my knowledge, trinitarians are not JESUS' name baptizing, One-GOD people, therefore, they are not saved.
Also, as for polygamous Mormons that are not cultic, I would look into Centennial Park in Arizona, a polygamous sect that allows their women quite a bit of freedom. I would also watch Anne Wilde's five-part youtube interview, where she talks about life as a woman in a plural marriage and about the book she co-authored with her husband. Polygamists aren't all bad.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

staysharp
04-16-2008, 10:32 PM
Just wondering what people think about the Mormon sect in Texas that had all the children removed by Children's Protective Services?

Any one want to comment?

Mike

I've been watching Larry King tonight and it's very sad. These children are without their mothers and must be very frightened. However, they're discovering 16 year old children with several children of their own.

Their idea of love is very sick and perverted. As much as I want separation of church and state, when children are being abused, it is our moral obligation to step in and save them. In a couple years, the kids won't remember and will be healthy productive citizens.

By separating themselves from the outside world, basically they continue this vicious cycle with the next generation after generation. Very sick indeed.

gloryseeker
04-16-2008, 10:55 PM
Ungodly response. If trinitarians are GOD's people, then I guess Mormons can be too. GOD's people are the saved, and to my knowledge, trinitarians are not JESUS' name baptizing, One-GOD people, therefore, they are not saved.
Also, as for polygamous Mormons that are not cultic, I would look into Centennial Park in Arizona, a polygamous sect that allows their women quite a bit of freedom. I would also watch Anne Wilde's five-part youtube interview, where she talks about life as a woman in a plural marriage and about the book she co-authored with her husband. Polygamists aren't all bad.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

:koolaid

gloryseeker
04-16-2008, 10:58 PM
As much as I want separation of church and state,

WHY????????????


Prov 29:2
2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. (KJV)

staysharp
04-17-2008, 07:01 AM
WHY????????????


Prov 29:2
2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. (KJV)

The righteous is the problem...how would you like a theocratic government. You talk about holiness police...we've got enough of that in the church.

Sept5SavedTeen
04-17-2008, 07:28 AM
:koolaid

Ok, I'll no longer respond to your one-liners, why don't you do a bit of research before making your judgements.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

gloryseeker
04-17-2008, 09:58 AM
The righteous is the problem...how would you like a theocratic government. You talk about holiness police...we've got enough of that in the church.

I don't want a theocratic government, I would just like Christians to hold the offices and keep some integrity while doing it.

The reason we have abortion on demand is because of separation of church and state.

The reason gay marriage is on the horizon is because of the separation of church and state

I believe in freedom of religion...but this great country was founded upon the principles of the Word of God and the "church" was very much involved in the formation of the "state."

It's Christians fault that our we have a speaker of the house such as Nancy Pelosi and other such representatives in high places who are ungodly beyond belief.

Go to D.C. and look at all the "church" items that are represented in our historical sites. Look at our founding documents and see all of the "church" language that is incorporated into them.

Sept5SavedTeen
04-17-2008, 12:25 PM
I don't want a theocratic government, I would just like Christians to hold the offices and keep some integrity while doing it.

The reason we have abortion on demand is because of separation of church and state.

The reason gay marriage is on the horizon is because of the separation of church and state

I believe in freedom of religion...but this great country was founded upon the principles of the Word of God and the "church" was very much involved in the formation of the "state."

It's Christians fault that our we have a speaker of the house such as Nancy Pelosi and other such representatives in high places who are ungodly beyond belief.

Go to D.C. and look at all the "church" items that are represented in our historical sites. Look at our founding documents and see all of the "church" language that is incorporated into them.


The "church" involved in the formation of the state?! Which Founding Father was a One-GOD, JESUS' name baptized, HG filled believer?
The trinitarians (along with some unitarians and deists) formed the US. The Catholics formed various states in Europe, the Lutherans and Catholics formed Germany and the Anglicans formed England...

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Michael Phelps
04-17-2008, 12:39 PM
They look like all the UPCI ladies at my church growing up.

Exactly!

In fact, when I was at lunch, CNN was running the story, and before I knew what the story was, I thought the ladies going into the courthouse were UPC or Apostolic.

RandyWayne
04-17-2008, 03:07 PM
The "church" involved in the formation of the state?! Which Founding Father was a One-GOD, JESUS' name baptized, HG filled believer?
The trinitarians (along with some unitarians and deists) formed the US. The Catholics formed various states in Europe, the Lutherans and Catholics formed Germany and the Anglicans formed England...

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

I shudder to think what policies would be implemented if our president (with a majority in congress backing him up) was a UPC minister.

gloryseeker
04-17-2008, 04:29 PM
The "church" involved in the formation of the state?! Which Founding Father was a One-GOD, JESUS' name baptized, HG filled believer?
The trinitarians (along with some unitarians and deists) formed the US. The Catholics formed various states in Europe, the Lutherans and Catholics formed Germany and the Anglicans formed England...

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Your problem is that your definition of a Christian is a "One-God, Jesus name baptized, HG filled person. And probably if truth be known it would also include whatever denomination you belong to

Sam
04-17-2008, 04:49 PM
I shudder to think what policies would be implemented if our president (with a majority in congress backing him up) was a UPC minister.

to get an idea, look at areas where Sharia law is practiced.

Sept5SavedTeen
04-17-2008, 07:03 PM
Your problem is that your definition of a Christian is a "One-God, Jesus name baptized, HG filled person. And probably if truth be known it would also include whatever denomination you belong to

You know, biggotted statements like that... I'm a Biblical Christian, I am not "denominational" and if I were I wouldn't believe only my denomination will be saved. I'm independent and I believe Apostolics from many different denominations will be saved. The only people I'm not sure about being saved will be Apostolics who were "one-steppers" and who went around preaching that and decieving people. If you're a one-stepper though, and just a bit unsure and your not hindering souls from obeying Acts 2:38 thru that false doctrine, then I believe there's hope for you. If your "Apostolic" though and telling trinitarians, "Oh you're fine just where you are..." Either you'll be punished in some way or lost, GOD will not let you get by on that. Btw, I had the oppurtunity to share the Gospel today with a girl who's Catholic- I'm believing she'll be baptized in the near future!

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Cindy
04-17-2008, 07:07 PM
Exactly!

In fact, when I was at lunch, CNN was running the story, and before I knew what the story was, I thought the ladies going into the courthouse were UPC or Apostolic.

They looked neither Apostolic or UPC to me, they looked like they were from another century or from Little House On The Prairie.

I am UPC and Apostolic and I don't dress that way or do my hair that way. I will go back to my Mom's generation and she was UPC to the core, she did not dress that way nor wear her hair that way. I will go back further to my grandmother who was also UPC to the core, she did not dress that way nor wear her hair that way.

Cindy
04-17-2008, 07:11 PM
I shudder to think what policies would be implemented if our president (with a majority in congress backing him up) was a UPC minister.

Yeah like the ones we have now are great.
Abortion on demand, gay rights, no prayers in our schools.

RandyWayne
04-17-2008, 07:15 PM
I wasn't comparing a hypothetical UPC minister as president to our current leader. Just 'imagining' some of the policies that would attempted to be put in place.

The film, make-up, and 98% of the womens apparel industry shut down. 9 PM curfews (except on Wed and Sunday nights).

Cindy
04-17-2008, 07:19 PM
I wasn't comparing a hypothetical UPC minister as president to our current leader. Just 'imagining' some of the policies that would attempted to be put in place.

The film, make-up, and 98% of the womens apparel industry shut down. 9 PM curfews (except on Wed and Sunday nights).

:ursofunny

Sept5SavedTeen
04-17-2008, 07:29 PM
The film, make-up, and 98% of the womens apparel industry shut down. 9 PM curfews (except on Wed and Sunday nights).

I hope your just joking. I think a conservative UPC president would be Republican with libertarian or Constition Party tendencies. They would probably cut social programs, be isolationist in foreign policy, and not really bother the American people too much, he'd let them do their thing and probably cut taxes. Although, I would think he WOULD be against abortion and gay marriage, but he probably would NOT try to put prayer back in schools.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

RandyWayne
04-17-2008, 08:26 PM
I hope your just joking. I think a conservative UPC president would be Republican with libertarian or Constition Party tendencies. They would probably cut social programs, be isolationist in foreign policy, and not really bother the American people too much, he'd let them do their thing and probably cut taxes. Although, I would think he WOULD be against abortion and gay marriage, but he probably would NOT try to put prayer back in schools.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Honestly, I think most WOULD do just what you mentioned.

Michael Phelps
04-17-2008, 08:36 PM
Ungodly response. If trinitarians are GOD's people, then I guess Mormons can be too. GOD's people are the saved, and to my knowledge, trinitarians are not JESUS' name baptizing, One-GOD people, therefore, they are not saved.
Also, as for polygamous Mormons that are not cultic, I would look into Centennial Park in Arizona, a polygamous sect that allows their women quite a bit of freedom. I would also watch Anne Wilde's five-part youtube interview, where she talks about life as a woman in a plural marriage and about the book she co-authored with her husband. Polygamists aren't all bad.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Lol, now I've heard it all!

WHat about the scripture that says a bishop should be the husband of ONE wife?

Connmega
04-17-2008, 08:57 PM
Good scripture reference Mike – obviously the NT is supportive of only one spouse –

One wife is enough for me anyway -

Can you imagine how expensive it would be to have 9 wives!

What I wonder about with these polyg. Sects is what do all the young men do? I mean the numbers don't add up.

Michael Phelps
04-17-2008, 08:58 PM
Good scripture reference Mike – obviously the NT is supportive of only one spouse –

One wife is enough for me anyway -

Can you imagine how expensive it would be to have 9 wives!

What I wonder about with these polyg. Sects is what do all the young men do? I mean the numbers don't add up.

I don't make nearly enough money to support 9 wives, lol.

Sept5SavedTeen
04-17-2008, 09:37 PM
Lol, now I've heard it all!

WHat about the scripture that says a bishop should be the husband of ONE wife?

That's really a supporting Scripture on polygamy. Are all going to be bishops? No. Are those who have multiple wives barred from being bishops? Is there anything INHERANTLY wrong with a man having multiple wives, from that Scripture? No. Women are also barred from being bishops- is there something inherantly wrong with them? I also stated before that that particular standard could have been put in place to protect the families of men that would be in polygamous marriages. Certainly a man with one wife and kids and also being a bishop has enough on his plate, so a man with many wives should definately NOT seek out being a bishop. The fact is is that Scripture doesn't speak against polygamy. Now this has little affect on us in the USA, but in Africa, if the missionaries had realized this, various families would have stayed together and strong, and perhaps more souls would have been won as opposed to the "monogamy stumblingblock" that was put out for men ALREADY in polygamous marriages.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Sept5SavedTeen
04-17-2008, 09:40 PM
What I wonder about with these polyg. Sects is what do all the young men do? I mean the numbers don't add up.

I had an awful dream about this, last night, or two nights ago... I was in a polygamous compound (I don't know of which group) and I couldn't find a wife and I was REALLY mad at the men taking other wives while I still didn't have one!

Yup... this is what religious studies students dream about, lol...

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Neck
04-17-2008, 11:00 PM
There has to be bunch of UPC woman who's neighbors are wondering when the Red Carpet bus is going to stop to pick them up.

Neck
04-17-2008, 11:02 PM
I don't make nearly enough money to support 9 wives, lol.

In the compound you do not support the family or the wives.

You send out the young men who can be trusted to work in the real world.

They bring back the paycheck and pay the bills.

If you are not trusted they kick you out.

Hoovie
04-17-2008, 11:23 PM
There has to be bunch of UPC woman who's neighbors are wondering when the Red Carpet bus is going to stop to pick them up.

Say what??

Sam
04-18-2008, 09:11 AM
That's really a supporting Scripture on polygamy. Are all going to be bishops? No. Are those who have multiple wives barred from being bishops? Is there anything INHERANTLY wrong with a man having multiple wives, from that Scripture? No. Women are also barred from being bishops- is there something inherantly wrong with them? I also stated before that that particular standard could have been put in place to protect the families of men that would be in polygamous marriages. Certainly a man with one wife and kids and also being a bishop has enough on his plate, so a man with many wives should definately NOT seek out being a bishop. The fact is is that Scripture doesn't speak against polygamy. Now this has little affect on us in the USA, but in Africa, if the missionaries had realized this, various families would have stayed together and strong, and perhaps more souls would have been won as opposed to the "monogamy stumblingblock" that was put out for men ALREADY in polygamous marriages.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

The only Scripture (not counting the one about a Bishop) that I can think of that is against polygamy is the words of Jesus in Matthew 6:24

Connmega
04-18-2008, 06:22 PM
I’m thinking about the scripture where Paul talks about it being better for a man to not marry, but if he must then let him have his own wife.

I would think this would imply just one wife - not many

1 Corinthians 7
1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Side note: do you think this is where the Catholics get the impression that priests should not marry?

Best,
Mike

Jack Shephard
04-18-2008, 06:51 PM
You know, biggotted statements like that... I'm a Biblical Christian, I am not "denominational" and if I were I wouldn't believe only my denomination will be saved. I'm independent and I believe Apostolics from many different denominations will be saved. The only people I'm not sure about being saved will be Apostolics who were "one-steppers" and who went around preaching that and decieving people. If you're a one-stepper though, and just a bit unsure and your not hindering souls from obeying Acts 2:38 thru that false doctrine, then I believe there's hope for you. If your "Apostolic" though and telling trinitarians, "Oh you're fine just where you are..." Either you'll be punished in some way or lost, GOD will not let you get by on that. Btw, I had the oppurtunity to share the Gospel today with a girl who's Catholic- I'm believing she'll be baptized in the near future!

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Bro Alex, could you give supporting scripture that will actually support your ideas? I do know that neither you or I are God so neither of us has the power to say whom is saved and whom is not. What we can do is line it up with scripture and if it matches then we are fine. But what we can not do is twist scripture to mean and say what we want it to say and mean. All in context my brother. Gotta be used in context and I am affraid that most of the so called anti-trinitarian scriptures are taken out of context. I believe that the oneness is the closest to being Biblically correct, but NO one here has all the answers and to act like we do it foolish. I am a 1-stepper more or less and I in no way preach or teach false doctrine and when you say we will be punished or lost that is just a clear sign that you are stepping into God's shoes....how do they fit? By the way none of us 1-steppers are sitting here saying you are leading people to hell cause you breed judmentalism or elitism. No one is saying that you breed cookie cutter christians that sometimes are as deep as a table spoon of water. We are not sitting saying that you all make people live their spiritual lives between themselves, God and the pastor. We are not saying that....8-}

Neck
04-18-2008, 08:23 PM
Say what??

Here was my original comment that you said. "Say What"?

There has to be bunch of UPC woman who's neighbors are wondering when the Red Carpet bus is going to stop to pick them up.


Here is the answer if you were not observant.

All of the woman and children on the news leaving the compound were put on buses that had the name, "Red Carpet" on the side of the bus.

Now do you get it?

Cindy
04-18-2008, 08:46 PM
I don't know why but I continue to be shocked at the bigotry of supposed apostolics about other apostolics. It's a shame, wonder if Jesus can decide which of us are His.

Super Jesus
09-09-2008, 11:00 PM
I for one KNOW the morons...uh...wait ...Mormons are going to hell for having forced sex with 13 year old girls.

DRPAULMARTIN
01-16-2019, 07:18 PM
The FLDS are trying to live holy lives as they perceive it via Mormon history, doctrine and teachings. As a former Mormon, I feel sorry for the FLDS people. There is such a thing as being sincere, yet sincerely misled, deceived and wrong. Makes me so very thankful that even though I spent a few years as a Mormon in the mainstream Salt Lake City Utah based Mormon church, that I was raised Apostolic. I joined because I wanted some place to "Fit in and feel needed". I found out that the faith I was raised with was all I really needed after all.

Dr. Paul S. Martin