Would Condoleeza Rice make a good VP?

[OP_Carl]

Would Condoleeza Rice make a good vice president?

Some are saying John McCain should select her as his running mate.

[Brother Price]

Her foriegn nation experience would give McCain some edge in that department. She also has a level head and some really wonderful ways to diffuse heated diplomatic situations. I think she would be good.

Not the best, but she would be top cut at least.

[joyful]

I think she would be a good choice, she has a lot going for her in experience, character and image. It would also set her up to be the first woman president which would be an infinitely better choice than Hillary. The downside would be the fact that she is connected to the Bush administration. That alone may take her out of serious contention.

[Pressing-On]

Considering that she had 48% of the Republican vote, in December, as ideal for the Presidency, I thinking she would get good support for VP.

[pelathais]

She's fluent in Russian and well versed in the current Russian leadership and scene. Since the Russians have shown themselves to be earger to reassert their influence lately, it might be a good idea to have someone who can already talk with them in a rather high and visible post.

[DanielR]

I think she would be the best for that position. However, I have my doubts that she would take it if it was offered. She's worked for the Bush's for so long, I don't think she would be comfortable working under anyone else.

[Pressing-On]

She's fluent in Russian and well versed in the current Russian leadership and scene. Since the Russians have shown themselves to be earger to reassert their influence lately, it might be a good idea to have someone who can already talk with them in a rather high and visible post.
That's a plus and she is super talented. Have you heard her play the piano? She's awesome.

I'm sure if the job was offered she would take it, BUT I am very positive if she was offered commissioner of the NFL she would not turn that down. :toofunny

[pelathais]

I think she would be the best for that position. However, I have my doubts that she would take it if it was offered. She's worked for the Bush's for so long, I don't think she would be comfortable working under anyone else.
I dunno - she ran Stanford years. That's like a small country in and of itself. I think she can see a bigger picture - and who knows, maybe she's really hankering to out of the Bush admin by now.

Plus being veep you get to free lance. It's not like you have a "real job." And given McCain's age- there may be a lot of Presidential wannabes angling for the VP spot.

She could be the first black and the first woman president all at the same time. We'd get past both of those "phobias" at once with little pain. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea.

[DanielR]

I was hoping that she would have ran for president herself. But such is life, you can't have everything you want. She's got the best experience for the office.

[pelathais]

I was hoping that she would have ran for president herself. But such is life, you can't have everything you want. She's got the best experience for the office.
I agree with you.

[ChTatum]

I always thought Cheney should resign during President Bush's second term, he could then appoint Rice, paving the way for her to run this time.

But alas, it was not to be.....

[vrblackwell]

She is not conservitive enough, she thinks more in line with Powell.

[pelathais]

She is not conservitive enough, she thinks more in line with Powell.
I think she's really more conservative than Powell. Powell was either moved out or wandered out on his own and replaced by Rice. I don't think she would have even been offered the job if the "evil neo-cons" that control Bush didn't like her work.

And... getting back to Stanford, she ran the Hoover Institution (http://www.hoover.org/). This is the premiere conservative think tank along with the Heritage Institute. We could see people from the Hoover Institution like Thomas Sowell and Alexander Solzhenitsyn exerting an influence within a Rice admin.

[Pressing-On]

I think she's really more conservative than Powell. Powell was either moved out or wandered out on his own and replaced by Rice. I don't think she would have even been offered the job if the "evil neo-cons" that control Bush didn't like her work.

And... getting back to Stanford, she ran the Hoover Institution (http://www.hoover.org/). This is the premiere conservative think tank along with the Heritage Institute. We could see people from the Hoover Institution like Thomas Sowell and Alexander Solzhenitsyn exerting an influence within a Rice admin.
Thomas Sowell is the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup

[chosenbyone]

First of all, we need to find someone who would be a good President before we look at a good VP!

I believe that Rice's credibility and reputation has been forever tarnished by her participation in the Bush Administration. The latest poll showed that 71% of Americans thought that Bush had lead this country down the wrong path to financial collapse (I threw in the financial collapse part).

Anyhow, my personal opinion of Rice changed after she testified in the 9/11 hearings that "no one in this administration would have ever conceived of terrorist hijacking planes and flying then into buildings". Hello? The evidence sure suggested that flying planes into buildings was not only conceived by folks in the Administration, but NORAD had trained and WAS training for such a scenario on 9/11. There were trails of security breifs that showed that her office was notified of the threat! In fact, wasn't the State Department warned of such a threat earlier that year by Italy's Secret Service and Britain's too?

OK, I have finished....:blah:2cents:airplane:tumbleweed

[TRFrance]

She is not conservative enough, she thinks more in line with Powell.
I think she's really more conservative than Powell. Powell was either moved out or wandered out on his own and replaced by Rice. I don't think she would have even been offered the job if the "evil neo-cons" that control Bush didn't like her work.

And... getting back to Stanford, she ran the Hoover Institution (http://www.hoover.org/). This is the premiere conservative think tank along with the Heritage Institute. We could see people from the Hoover Institution like Thomas Sowell and Alexander Solzhenitsyn exerting an influence within a Rice admin.

Condi Rice might not be conservative on all issues, such as gay marriage...

WASHINGTON — At a State Department ceremony this week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warmly acknowledged the family members of Mark Dybul, whom she was swearing in as the nation's new global AIDS coordinator.
As first lady Laura Bush looked on, Rice singled out his partner, Jason Claire, and Claire's mother. Rice referred to her as Dybul's "mother-in-law."


(http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-11-gop-gay-identity-crisis_x.htm)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-11-gop-gay-identity-crisis_x.htm

[pelathais]

Condi Rice might not be conservative on all issues, such as gay marriage...

WASHINGTON — At a State Department ceremony this week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warmly acknowledged the family members of Mark Dybul, whom she was swearing in as the nation's new global AIDS coordinator.
As first lady Laura Bush looked on, Rice singled out his partner, Jason Claire, and Claire's mother. Rice referred to her as Dybul's "mother-in-law."


(http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-11-gop-gay-identity-crisis_x.htm)
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-11-gop-gay-identity-crisis_x.htm
No one has better "conservative" credentials than Dick Cheney - and look at his family. Because Rice was playfully teasing a new "ambassador" whose role is entirely ceremonial and was invented as sop that Clinton handed to the gays doesn't mean Rice actually supports some sort of gay marriage ammendment. My impression from the article you link was that this is waht the reported was reaching for. I don't even know what her position really is, but I think I could say she wouldn't support any federal legislation on the issue.

Finding anyone who is both "pure" on the "socially conservative" issues and electable nationally will be impossible. We'll always have to cut a deal and make a compromise. That's really how the system is designed. The good news is that others also have to treat with us. We should strive to make certain that they don't have to hang their heads in shame when they do.

[TRFrance]

No one has better "conservative" credentials than Dick Cheney - and look at his family. Because Rice was playfully teasing a new "ambassador" whose role is entirely ceremonial and was invented as sop that Clinton handed to the gays doesn't mean Rice actually supports some sort of gay marriage ammendment. My impression from the article you link was that this is what the reported was reaching for. I don't even know what her position really is, but I think I could say she wouldn't support any federal legislation on the issue.


Pel...how do you come the the conclusion that she was just "playfully teasing"?

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By the way... the man's title as an AIDS "ambassador" is indeed "ceremonial", but his position as the "U.S. Global AIDS Coordinator" within the State Department is not.

"Ambassador Mark R. Dybul (born 1963 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963)) serves as the United States Global AIDS Coordinator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_AIDS_Coordinator_%28U.S.%29), leading the implementation of the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief) (PEPFAR)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_R._Dybul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_R._Dybul)

[pelathais]

Pel...how do you come the the conclusion that she was just "playfully teasing"?

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By the way... the man's title as an AIDS "ambassador" is indeed "ceremonial", but his position as the "U.S. Global AIDS Coordinator" within the State Department is not.

"Ambassador Mark R. Dybul (born 1963 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963)) serves as the United States Global AIDS Coordinator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_AIDS_Coordinator_%28U.S.%29), leading the implementation of the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief) (PEPFAR)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_R._Dybul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_R._Dybul)
She referred to one man's mother as the other man's "mother-in-law." To me it just seems like an aside where she's trying to reach out to people in this ceremonial occassion (one that needlessly spends taxpayer dollars) and was fulfilling her role as MC and got through the whole thing with a little grace and without making it a controversy which is what the "other side" who have dearly loved for it to have been. And in an off-handed and unintentional way it strikes me as an unintended insult to the "couple" involved.

Just get up, steel your nerves, smile for the cameras and get it over with. Public officials have to do that all the time. If you can add a little warmth- then you can try, and maybe earn some bonus points. If you can make the whole affair forgettable, then you may have won.

The reporter seems to have jumped on this with an "Ooo-Rah!" fist pumping enthusiasm. That should really tell you more about the reporter's agenda than it does about Dr. Rice's long established and widely known views.

[brotherjason]

No, I found out the truth behind the Bush administration and I would be scared to have anyone of them in the oval office next election.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg152/strangerandapilgrim/20.jpg

[pelathais]

First of all, we need to find someone who would be a good President before we look at a good VP!

I believe that Rice's credibility and reputation has been forever tarnished by her participation in the Bush Administration. The latest poll showed that 71% of Americans thought that Bush had lead this country down the wrong path to financial collapse (I threw in the financial collapse part).

Anyhow, my personal opinion of Rice changed after she testified in the 9/11 hearings that "no one in this administration would have ever conceived of terrorist hijacking planes and flying then into buildings". Hello? The evidence sure suggested that flying planes into buildings was not only conceived by folks in the Administration, but NORAD had trained and WAS training for such a scenario on 9/11. There were trails of security breifs that showed that her office was notified of the threat! In fact, wasn't the State Department warned of such a threat earlier that year by Italy's Secret Service and Britain's too?

OK, I have finished....:blah:2cents:airplane:tumbleweed
Her office was also notified of threats to put LSD in the drinking water and of the dangers of "mind control" satellites. They only have so many resources to check out every "tip." Between tracking down everything that comes through our porous borders and jumping through all the legal hoops that Congress put in place back in the 70's and 80's it's a wonder that the Reptillians from Antares haven't gotten through yet. Or maybe they have!

And look at what happened when the NSA followed up on Britain's "tip" about Sadaam's uranium deals in Niger. Monday morning quarterbacking is so easy. What if they had credible evidence that something was going down specifically on 9/11/2001 and it involved airplane hijacks? What could the NSA have done?

They would have had to first advise a Congressional committee and ask for permission to alert the FBI of this matter involving "foreign intelligence." Congress and the President would then have had to authorize the Justice Dept. to receive the "foreign intelligence" from the NSA and to act upon it. The FBI would then have been tasked with deploying agents to each of the thousands of flights that took off that day - and every day - and there simply aren't enough FBI agents for that.

In the end, a panicked message would have to have been broadcast to the public saying something like - "Forget everything we've ever said before about hijackings- break all the rules this one day and resist the hijackers!"

We would have had everyone from turbined Sikhs to mean old grannies from Kokomo being tossed out of planes all across the country causing catastrophic decompression and far more than just the four plane wrecks we did suffer.

Heinlein's Law on Conspiracy is valid here: "Never attribute to a conspiracy that which is adequetley explained by incompetence."

Simply put - as a country, we were as prepared for 9/11 back then as we are today for the planned infiltration of our world's government by the Grey Aliens. The "Greys" are another "tip" that has been sent into the NSA.

Dr. Rice was in her post for only about 6 months before 9/11. It's silly to blame her or even the NSA establishment. The real culprits are the ones who did the killing. By ignoring that fact you only strengthen them to kill again.

[Mosby48]

Her foriegn nation experience would give McCain some edge in that department. She also has a level head and some really wonderful ways to diffuse heated diplomatic situations. I think she would be good.

Not the best, but she would be top cut at least.
Level head? Good character? Experience with Russians and Israel? Have I missed something? She helped get us into war in Iraq. I haven't noticed peace breaking out with either the Russians or the Palestinians. Helped hide the secret torture dens around the world. Lied to Congress on numerous occasions. Is purported to be a Lesbian since her years in college administration. (which is why she won't talk about running for an elective office, which she's never done) And I'm surprised to see any of you saying being a musician would helpful to being president. Didn't help Bill!!!!

[pelathais]

Level head? Good character? Experience with Russians and Israel? Have I missed something? She helped get us into war in Iraq. I haven't noticed peace breaking out with either the Russians or the Palestinians. Helped hide the secret torture dens around the world. Lied to Congress on numerous occasions. Is purported to be a Lesbian since her years in college administration. (which is why she won't talk about running for an elective office, which she's never done) And I'm surprised to see any of you saying being a musician would helpful to being president. Didn't help Bill!!!!
Since those "Secret Torture Dens around the world" are no longer "secret" would you care to identify a single one and to also identify who the victims of this "torture" were?

Can't do that can you? Just making stuff up and exaggerating the claims made the Left aren't we? Since when is yelling and loud music "torture?" Ever been to an Apostolic camp meeting?

[Ferd]

McCain needs someone who can deliver
Florida

Or someone who can deliver

Penn.

Or someone who can bolster his economic policy deficiency

I still think Bill Crist is the odds on favorite. Tom Ridge is a popular former gov. of Penn. but he is not very pro-life... wrong guy this time around.

Mitt Romney is the Economy guy but I dont think he will be pick.

Rice IMHO really would be a shock. I like her but it would be a shock of a pick....

[Ferd]

Level head? Good character? Experience with Russians and Israel? Have I missed something? She helped get us into war in Iraq. I haven't noticed peace breaking out with either the Russians or the Palestinians. Helped hide the secret torture dens around the world. Lied to Congress on numerous occasions. Is purported to be a Lesbian since her years in college administration. (which is why she won't talk about running for an elective office, which she's never done) And I'm surprised to see any of you saying being a musician would helpful to being president. Didn't help Bill!!!!

never heard the lesbo thing... the rest of what you said is regurgitated Mikle Mor junk

(yes I mispelled his name due to utter disrespect)


and it is junk. innane, and is becoming quite incipid.

[DividedThigh]

i think she is smart and would be a good vp, my own opinion, paid for with many tax dollars, lol, dt

[Ferd]

Just another thought that popped into my head.

Michagan is in play. Romney is pretty big in MI.

hmmmm....

[Ferd]

Now let be be crass and ultra political for a moment.

Hillary's second biggest detriment to becoming president is she is a she.

Baraks biggest detriment to becoming president is that he is black.


by bringing in a black woman on the Republican ticket, McCain would effectivly eliminate one of his greatest strenghts in this election. He is a white male.

But let me also say that you cannot discount McCain's willingness to do such a thing.

I like Rice. I think she is one of the most brilliant people in the Republican party. I think she would be a fantastic president. but if I am the stratigist, she aint on my short list for VP this time around.

[DividedThigh]

Now let be be crass and ultra political for a moment.

Hillary's second biggest detriment to becoming president is she is a she.

Baraks biggest detriment to becoming president is that he is black.


by bringing in a black woman on the Republican ticket, McCain would effectivly eliminate one of his greatest strenghts in this election. He is a white male.

But let me also say that you cannot discount McCain's willingness to do such a thing.

I like Rice. I think she is one of the most brilliant people in the Republican party. I think she would be a fantastic president. but if I am the stratigist, she aint on my short list for VP this time around.

yeah i think she is smart and good, but john aint sharing the stage, unless he is convinced that is the only way to win, i also like her because chosen doesnt , he is a libe, lol,dt

[Ferd]

yeah i think she is smart and good, but john aint sharing the stage, unless he is convinced that is the only way to win, i also like her because chosen doesnt , he is a libe, lol,dt

well, I would have voted for her over any of the other candidates running.

hands down. but she didnt run....

i agree JM aiht sharing the stage. the only catch is, he can be self distructive. but conventional wisdom inside the beltway is she would be good, and McCain tends to look at beltway conventional wisdom and do the opposite.

[DividedThigh]

well, I would have voted for her over any of the other candidates running.

hands down. but she didnt run....

i agree JM aiht sharing the stage. the only catch is, he can be self distructive. but conventional wisdom inside the beltway is she would be good, and McCain tends to look at beltway conventional wisdom and do the opposite.

he does love going against the grain for some reason, dotn you love that hilary tried to lay it on gwb that a company left indiana and went to china, and her husband is the one that did it, lol hilarious stuff, lol

[Ferd]

he does love going against the grain for some reason, dotn you love that hilary tried to lay it on gwb that a company left indiana and went to china, and her husband is the one that did it, lol hilarious stuff, lol

right now, I want her to save all her stupid stuff until after tomorrow.

we need her to win Indy and come close in NC.

she needs a slight lead in the popular vote.

[DividedThigh]

right now, I want her to save all her stupid stuff until after tomorrow.

we need her to win Indy and come close in NC.

she needs a slight lead in the popular vote.

that is just funny, well i guess we can hope for that, for sure, dt:boxing

[TRFrance]

right now, I want her to save all her stupid stuff until after tomorrow.

we need her to win Indy and come close in NC.

she needs a slight lead in the popular vote.

OPERATION CHAOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos) is in full effect!!

[Mosby48]

Since those "Secret Torture Dens around the world" are no longer "secret" would you care to identify a single one and to also identify who the victims of this "torture" were?

Can't do that can you? Just making stuff up and exaggerating the claims made the Left aren't we? Since when is yelling and loud music "torture?" Ever been to an Apostolic camp meeting?
Some of the "dens" are still secret but those indentified are France, Libya, Egypt, Qatar, and South Africa. I don't make stuff up just to justify a story. If you have the nerve read the latest "Washington Monthly". Totally about our torture and the spots they were done. Quotes by numerous Republican, administration, Democratic, and military participants on the futility, inaccuracy, and un-American actions being taken in the name of "security". It seems our military, prior to 9/11, had determined that information given under torture is unreliable and usually inaccurate. Seems the tortured will say anything to get the pain to stop.

[TRFrance]

Some of the "dens" are still secret but those indentified are France, Libya, Egypt, Qatar, and South Africa. I don't make stuff up just to justify a story. If you have the nerve read the latest "Washington Monthly". Totally about our torture and the spots they were done. Quotes by numerous Republican, administration, Democratic, and military participants on the futility, inaccuracy, and un-American actions being taken in the name of "security". It seems our military, prior to 9/11, had determined that information given under torture is unreliable and usually inaccurate. Seems the tortured will say anything to get the pain to stop.
I hear your point... but there are 2 things to consider:

Professional interrogators have ways of vetting the information they get, to judge whether the intel is authentic or not.

Besides, if we had captured a couple of terrorists on 9/10/01... and torturing them ended up preventing the horror of September 11th, I think I'd be okay with that. And if torturing one person ends up saving the lives of thousands, in the end I think I can still sleep pretty well at night.

[pelathais]

Some of the "dens" are still secret but those indentified are France, Libya, Egypt, Qatar, and South Africa. I don't make stuff up just to justify a story. If you have the nerve read the latest "Washington Monthly". Totally about our torture and the spots they were done. Quotes by numerous Republican, administration, Democratic, and military participants on the futility, inaccuracy, and un-American actions being taken in the name of "security". It seems our military, prior to 9/11, had determined that information given under torture is unreliable and usually inaccurate. Seems the tortured will say anything to get the pain to stop.
Well, I had the nerve to google "Washington Monthly" and I think I found you recommended journal. I even had the nerve to read down the list of articles but didn't find anything about "secret prisons." Going through the links proved exhausting, boring and fruitless.

Totally what? How about a link? Either that or I'm calling your doctor.

And quoting mining is a serious past time for journalists. How about you give me some examples of "the futility, inaccuracy, and un-American actions being taken in the name of "security""?

"Futility?" It's a dangerous world and I'm sure we'll find some common ground on that point. The rest of the anti-American diatribe? I'm still waiting.

"Totally"??? Here's (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/) the link I found. What are you looking at? We need some examples of US government authorized and sanctioned torture post 9/11. Give me these examples so that I can register my complaint with my congressman.

[pelathais]

Well, I had the nerve to google "Washington Monthly" and I think I found you recommended journal. I even had the nerve to read down the list of articles but didn't find anything about "secret prisons." Going through the links proved exhausting, boring and fruitless.

Totally what? How about a link? Either that or I'm calling your doctor.

And quoting mining is a serious past time for journalists. How about you give me some examples of "the futility, inaccuracy, and un-American actions being taken in the name of "security""?

"Futility?" It's a dangerous world and I'm sure we'll find some common ground on that point. The rest of the anti-American diatribe? I'm still waiting.

"Totally"??? Here's (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/) the link I found. What are you looking at? We need some examples of US government authorized and sanctioned torture post 9/11. Give me these examples so that I can register my complaint with my congressman.
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[Ferd]

Well, I had the nerve to google "Washington Monthly" and I think I found you recommended journal. I even had the nerve to read down the list of articles but didn't find anything about "secret prisons." Going through the links proved exhausting, boring and fruitless.

Totally what? How about a link? Either that or I'm calling your doctor.

And quoting mining is a serious past time for journalists. How about you give me some examples of "the futility, inaccuracy, and un-American actions being taken in the name of "security""?

"Futility?" It's a dangerous world and I'm sure we'll find some common ground on that point. The rest of the anti-American diatribe? I'm still waiting.

"Totally"??? Here's (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/) the link I found. What are you looking at? We need some examples of US government authorized and sanctioned torture post 9/11. Give me these examples so that I can register my complaint with my congressman.

Mosby appears to be about as American as a college professor.