Bush Signs Law to Collect Children's DNA

[Dedicated Mind]

Below is an article that describes a law that requires the collection of DNA from all newborns. No consent is required. Can you feel all the "patriotic" love dt?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1896

[Praxeas]

There is a bill....it is about children....but just because Alex Jones says it mandatory requires them to take dna samples from our kids I can't say that is the truth. Jones is suspect IMO

[Baron1710]

There is a bill....it is about children....but just because Alex Jones says it mandatory requires them to take dna samples from our kids I can't say that is the truth. Jones is suspect IMO

I took the time to browse the bill, which is about GRANTS for screening. Here is the Bills stated purpose. It is about screening for diseases.

To amend the Public Health Service Act to establish grant programs to provide for education and outreach on newborn screening and coordinated followup care once newborn screening has been conducted, to reauthorize programs under part A of title XI of such Act, and for other purposes...

shall award grants to eligible entities to enable such entities--

`(1) to enhance, improve or expand the ability of State and local public health agencies to provide screening, counseling, or health care services to newborns and children having or at risk for heritable disorders;

[Rico]

There are lots of things babies are tested for at birth, without any consent from parents. I don't see what the big deal is. When you think about it, having a record of DNA could prove to be beneficial, especially in missing person situations when an unidentified body is found. With a DNA database people would more easily be identified.

[Dedicated Mind]

There is a bill....it is about children....but just because Alex Jones says it mandatory requires them to take dna samples from our kids I can't say that is the truth. Jones is suspect IMO

here is the same info from world net daily

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63112

[Dedicated Mind]

There are lots of things babies are tested for at birth, without any consent from parents. I don't see what the big deal is. When you think about it, having a record of DNA could prove to be beneficial, especially in missing person situations when an unidentified body is found. With a DNA database people would more easily be identified.

I don't think you see the danger of potential genetic discrimination or the infringemnt of medical privacy by the federal gov't. It's one step closer to a totalitarian police state and when all of your privacy rights are gone it will be too late to protest.

[Rico]

I don't think you see the danger of potential genetic discrimination or the infringemnt of medical privacy by the federal gov't. It's one step closer to a totalitarian police state and when all of your privacy rights are gone it will be too late to protest.

Yeah, yeah. I know. The sky is falling, the government is out to get us, yada, yada. Are babies discriminated against by the government now, with all the tests done on them at birth?

[HeavenlyOne]

DM, I agree. It's a right to privacy that I don't want seen thrown out in favor of the possible greater good.

[Kae]

I just watched an interesting documentary on how seeds have been patented and how some of those seeds blew into farmers fields and produced plants. The farmer didn't want them there nor did he plant them there. The company that owned the seeds found out that he was growing them there and sued him. The seeds cross pollinated with his seeds and now his seeds are contaminated and he has to destroy them all because of the patents on the seeds dna. This has happened to quite a few farmers and most of them settle out of court and aren't allowed to talk about the settlement. This documentary was also stating that the danger of patenting a live thing because it is constantly growing and changing. They went on to say that if the genes of people were patented then people could be owned. I am not going into throughly and probably not making much since. For them to have a data base of everyone's genes and doing it without people being aware of it makes me wonder why.

[Kae]

Yeah, yeah. I know. The sky is falling, the government is out to get us, yada, yada. Are babies discriminated against by the government now, with all the tests done on them at birth?

A lot of the tests they do during pregnancy for genetics come back negative when there isn't anything wrong and the parents go through undue stress, even to the point of aborting.

The one thing that really gets me is when my daughter was born she got a hepatitis vaccine that had enough mercury in it for a 500lb person. Why would they have that much mercury in a vaccine for a little one whose immune system isn't fully functioning yet.

[TRFrance]

There are lots of things babies are tested for at birth, without any consent from parents. I don't see what the big deal is. When you think about it, having a record of DNA could prove to be beneficial, especially in missing person situations when an unidentified body is found. With a DNA database people would more easily be identified.

There are pros and cons to everything. Yes, there are potential privacy issues, but hey.

I dont have a problem with a govt DNA database. The missing kids/ unidentified bodies identification issues are potentially huge.

Plus, I think anyone convicted of any crime, even misdemeanors, should have to submit their DNA to a national database. Think of how many unsolved crimes that would help solve down the road.... not to mention the lives of other potential crime victims that would be saved.

To me its long overdue.

[Praxeas]

"Soon, under this bill, the important DNA (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63112#) of all citizens will be housed in government genomic biobanks and considered governmental property for government research," said Twila Brase, president of the Citizens' Council on Health Care. (http://www.cchconline.org/) "The DNA taken at birth from every citizen is essentially owned by the government, and every citizen becomes a potential subject of government-sponsored genetic research."

The bill, she said, strips "citizens of genetic privacy rights and DNA property rights. It bill also violates research ethics and the Nuremberg Code.
"The public is clueless. S. 1858 imposes a federal agenda of DNA databanking and population-wide genetic research," Brase continued. "It does not require consent and there are no requirements to fully inform parents about the warehousing of their child's DNA for the purpose of genetic research.


"Already, in Minnesota, the state health department reports that 42,210 children of the 780,000 whose DNA is housed in the Minnesota 'DNA warehouse' have been subjected to genetic research without their parent's knowledge or consent," she said.

[Rico]

There are pros and cons to everything. Yes, there are potential privacy issues, but hey.

I dont have a problem with a govt DNA database. The missing kids/ unidentified bodies identification issues are potentially huge.

Plus, I think anyone convicted of any crime, even misdemeanors, should have to submit their DNA to a national database. Think of how many unsolved crimes that would help solve down the road.... not to mention the lives of other potential crime victims that would be saved.

To me its long overdue.

Solving crimes would definitely be a benefit of a nationwide DNA database. People accept that those arrested get fingerprinted. I don't see what the difference in taking a DNA sample would be.

[Dedicated Mind]

Solving crimes would definitely be a benefit of a nationwide DNA database. People accept that those arrested get fingerprinted. I don't see what the difference in taking a DNA sample would be.

it's just another barrier being torn down between gov't and individual privacy rights. sounds like you'll be living in a padded cell before you wake up and realize the gov't is out for total control.

[Rico]

it's just another barrier being torn down between gov't and individual privacy rights. sounds like you'll be living in a padded cell before you wake up and realize the gov't is out for total control.

You're the one talking about government conspiracies and I'm the one headed for a padded cell? Ooooooooooooooooooooooook!

[TRFrance]

it's just another barrier being torn down between gov't and individual privacy rights. sounds like you'll be living in a padded cell before you wake up and realize the gov't is out for total control.
So you think its wrong to take DNA samples from convicted criminals?

maybe you really need to think this through a bit more.

[Newman]

Do you all think President Bush would have signed the DNA testing into law last week if America had become outraged about the DNA testing ordered of 463 children in Texas a couple of weeks before?

I saw a great movie set in the future about genetics determining all one's options in life despite whatever drive an individual might have to succeed in an area that he or she wasn't "qualified"' to consider. It was scary stuff. :crazywalls

[Praxeas]

Do you all think President Bush would have signed the DNA testing into law last week if America had become outraged about the DNA testing ordered of 463 children in Texas a couple of weeks before?

I saw a great movie set in the future about genetics determining all one's options in life despite whatever drive an individual might have to succeed in an area that he or she wasn't "qualified"' to consider. It was scary stuff. :crazywalls
Maybe....however America is biased towards the Polygamists from the outset and America never thinks "that can happen to me"....because Americans are blinded by beer, football and American Idol....so says me :drama

[TRFrance]

Maybe....however America is biased towards the Polygamists from the outset and America never thinks "that can happen to me"....because Americans are blinded by beer, football and American Idol....so says me


...and Obama.

[Praxeas]

...and Obama.
And Bush if he really signed into law something that collects DNA from every child without consent and puts it into a central bank that is now government property

[Newman]

Maybe....however America is biased towards the Polygamists from the outset and America never thinks "that can happen to me"....because Americans are blinded by beer, football and American Idol....so says me :drama

EXACTLY! I was at a basket ball game a couple of nights ago. There had to have been over 100 media people from around the country there, all reporting and analyzing the same game that had no real consequence in the long run.

It was very troubling to me that so many came to report the same coverage while most of what is going on in Texas has been sound bites of a few reporters broadcast around the world without a whole lot of analysis. :cool:

[Rico]

Do you all think President Bush would have signed the DNA testing into law last week if America had become outraged about the DNA testing ordered of 463 children in Texas a couple of weeks before?

I saw a great movie set in the future about genetics determining all one's options in life despite whatever drive an individual might have to succeed in an area that he or she wasn't "qualified"' to consider. It was scary stuff. :crazywalls

Newman, do you believe that part of the reason why you became an attorney is because you are wired to be one? What I am getting at is this. I have 4 children, all of whom have strengths and weaknesses, along with different personalities and mindsets. My oldest daughter is destined for higher education. I can see her becoming a doctor, lawyer, educator, executive, etc., because she has the mindset and ability to get the education those professions require. My son, on the other hand, will most likely end up going to a vocational college. His mindset is geard more towards working with his hands as a contractor, heating and a/c specialist, mechanic, etc. My middle daughter will most likely end up being a cartoonist, graphic designer, or some other artistic profession.

What would be so bad about knowing these types of things about children at birth? If a test determines that a child is better suited for professions in group "a", then their education could be custom tailored towards that group of professions, rather than this one size fits all approach to education we have now.

I can see a lot of benefits emerging from DNA testing at birth. I think it would help people find direction for their adult lives and could possibly even go a long way in helping people choose their mate.

I also believe science will eventually get to the point that certain diseases will be prevented from proliferating in society, partly because of DNA testing. If the genes that cause diabetes are found in a newborn, I believe science will have a way of modifying that gene or shutting it off, so that diabetes never develops in that child. Maybe science will eventually find a way to completely eliminate that gene in someone born with it.

[Dedicated Mind]

So you think its wrong to take DNA samples from convicted criminals?

maybe you really need to think this through a bit more.

convicted criminals loose individual privacy rights, I don't know if they are required to submit dna by law but that would be different than all citizens having to submit dna, criminal or not.

[Praxeas]

Seriously....this is "and they shall be eating and drinking, marrying and given in marriage" here and now. All Americans care about is their beer, sports, sex and money. If it does not impact their lives immediately they don't care and if it does impact them they will soon forget because the allure of sex, beer and sports goes on and on. That is why nobody does anything about gas prices....they complain for a short time and then hope the government is doing something

[Dedicated Mind]

Newman, do you believe that part of the reason why you became an attorney is because you are wired to be one? What I am getting at is this. I have 4 children, all of whom have strengths and weaknesses, along with different personalities and mindsets. My oldest daughter is destined for higher education. I can see her becoming a doctor, lawyer, educator, executive, etc., because she has the mindset and ability to get the education those professions require. My son, on the other hand, will most likely end up going to a vocational college. His mindset is geard more towards working with his hands as a contractor, heating and a/c specialist, mechanic, etc. My middle daughter will most likely end up being a cartoonist, graphic designer, or some other artistic profession.

What would be so bad about knowing these types of things about children at birth? If a test determines that a child is better suited for professions in group "a", then their education could be custom tailored towards that group of professions, rather than this one size fits all approach to education we have now.

I can see a lot of benefits emerging from DNA testing at birth. I think it would help people find direction for their adult lives and could possibly even go a long way in helping people choose their mate.

I also believe science will eventually get to the point that certain diseases will be prevented from proliferating in society, partly because of DNA testing. If the genes that cause diabetes are found in a newborn, I believe science will have a way of modifying that gene or shutting it off, so that diabetes never develops in that child. Maybe science will eventually find a way to completely eliminate that gene in someone born with it.

you're really sounding scary Rico. Do you really believe dna can determine educational potential? that is really far out and subject to mass discrimination if you don't believe that anyone can achieve anything. there is no genetic difference between a billionaire and a street bum besides opportunity and circumstance. if the bum had the same educational opportunities and family connections, he would be in the same situation. what you are talking about is closer to natural selection and secular evolution which led the nazis to "exterminate" millions of handicapped, mentally ill and eventually jews.

btw, have you seen the movie Gattica? I think you would enjoy it. It deals with these issues.

[Praxeas]

you're really sounding scary Rico. Do you really believe dna can determine educational potential? that is really far out and subject to mass discrimination if you don't believe that anyone can achieve anything. there is no genetic difference between a billionaire and a street bum besides opportunity and circumstance. if the bum had the same educational opportunities and family connections, he would be in the same situation. what you are talking about is closer to natural selection and secular evolution which led the nazis to "exterminate" millions of handicapped, mentally ill and eventually jews.

btw, have you seen the movie Gattica? I think you would enjoy it. It deals with these issues.
Exactly!

[Rico]

Seriously....this is "and they shall be eating and drinking, marrying and given in marriage" here and now. All Americans care about is their beer, sports, sex and money. If it does not impact their lives immediately they don't care and if it does impact them they will soon forget because the allure of sex, beer and sports goes on and on. That is why nobody does anything about gas prices....they complain for a short time and then hope the government is doing something

Prax, what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? LOL! Also, Americans obviously care about more than what you said. Just look at the election turnout for this primary season. Record numbers of voters have turned out.

[Rico]

you're really sounding scary Rico. Do you really believe dna can determine educational potential? that is really far out and subject to mass discrimination if you don't believe that anyone can achieve anything. there is no genetic difference between a billionaire and a street bum besides opportunity and circumstance. if the bum had the same educational opportunities and family connections, he would be in the same situation. what you are talking about is closer to natural selection and secular evolution which led the nazis to "exterminate" millions of handicapped, mentally ill and eventually jews.

btw, have you seen the movie Gattica? I think you would enjoy it. It deals with these issues.

Sorry, but you are more than wrong. Some people are literally born morons. I am not saying that as an insult either. Being a moron is actually a level of intelligence, just like being a genius is. Are you trying to tell me that the only difference between a moron and a billionaire is opportunity and circumstance?

[HeavenlyOne]

Sorry, but you are more than wrong. Some people are literally born morons. I am not saying that as an insult either. Being a moron is actually a level of intelligence, just like being a genius is. Are you trying to tell me that the only difference between a moron and a billionaire is opportunity and circumstance?

Yep. Ask Larry Flint.

[Rico]

Yep. Ask Larry Flint.


*sigh*

[Dedicated Mind]

Sorry, but you are more than wrong. Some people are literally born morons. I am not saying that as an insult either. Being a moron is actually a level of intelligence, just like being a genius is. Are you trying to tell me that the only difference between a moron and a billionaire is opportunity and circumstance?

I don't believe that "morons" can't be educated. Lack of education has alot to do with family structure, upbringing and discipline, not genetics, unless it is mental retardation or physical handicap. The physical differences between a moron and a billionaire are not that many, imo, and certainly nothing that can be determined by a dna test. you are closer to Hitler than you realize imo.

[Rico]

I don't believe that "morons" can't be educated. Lack of education has alot to do with family structure, upbringing and discipline, not genetics, unless it is mental retardation or physical handicap. The physical differences between a moron and a billionaire are not that many, imo, and certainly nothing that can be determined by a dna test. you are closer to Hitler than you realize imo.

And you are closer to a conspiracy nut than you realize, imo.

[Dedicated Mind]

And you are closer to a conspiracy nut than you realize, imo.


:bubble still love you bro

[Rico]

:bubble still love you bro

Kinda hard to love Hitlerish people, huh? :rolleyes:

[clgustaveson]

I love how in threads like this the attorney is slightly overlooked....

[Newman]

btw, have you seen the movie Gattica? I think you would enjoy it. It deals with these issues.

YES!!! That is the movie I saw that should scare anyone half to death when they start talking about DNA testing for all babies! :reaction

[Newman]

Newman, do you believe that part of the reason why you became an attorney is because you are wired to be one? What I am getting at is this. I have 4 children, all of whom have strengths and weaknesses, along with different personalities and mindsets. My oldest daughter is destined for higher education. I can see her becoming a doctor, lawyer, educator, executive, etc., because she has the mindset and ability to get the education those professions require. My son, on the other hand, will most likely end up going to a vocational college. His mindset is geard more towards working with his hands as a contractor, heating and a/c specialist, mechanic, etc. My middle daughter will most likely end up being a cartoonist, graphic designer, or some other artistic profession.

What would be so bad about knowing these types of things about children at birth? If a test determines that a child is better suited for professions in group "a", then their education could be custom tailored towards that group of professions, rather than this one size fits all approach to education we have now.

I can see a lot of benefits emerging from DNA testing at birth. I think it would help people find direction for their adult lives and could possibly even go a long way in helping people choose their mate.

I also believe science will eventually get to the point that certain diseases will be prevented from proliferating in society, partly because of DNA testing. If the genes that cause diabetes are found in a newborn, I believe science will have a way of modifying that gene or shutting it off, so that diabetes never develops in that child. Maybe science will eventually find a way to completely eliminate that gene in someone born with it.

Rico- Part of who I am is the result of DNA; but a whole lot more was shaped by environment and hopefully God's Hand in my life. Pigeon-holing babies is the scariest part of DNA testing and leaves out the wonder of human potential against all odds.

Choosing one's mate based on DNA is a slippery slope first suggested in part by Hitler....

Finally, how long before insurance companies won't insure people based on the testing done as a baby? How long before individuals who have much to bring to the table will be denied a place at the table because their life expectancy or medical needs aren't statistically acceptable based on DNA testing? :cool:

[Rico]

Rico- Part of who I am is the result of DNA; but a whole lot more was shaped by environment and hopefully God's Hand in my life. Pigeon-holing babies is the scariest part of DNA testing and leaves out the wonder of human potential against all odds.

Choosing one's mate based on DNA is a slippery slope first suggested in part by Hitler....

Finally, how long before insurance companies won't insure people based on the testing done as a baby? How long before individuals who have much to bring to the table will be denied a place at the table because their life expectancy or medical needs aren't statistically acceptable based on DNA testing? :cool:

I don't see all those things happening, to be honest with you. Maybe I am being too optimistic, but I can see many good things resulting from DNA testing. I am, however, willing to concede that it could possibly have some negative consequences.

[Newman]

I don't see all those things happening, to be honest with you. Maybe I am being too optimistic, but I can see many good things resulting from DNA testing. I am, however, willing to concede that it could possibly have some negative consequences.

Rico- If I hadn't seen the Gattica movie I might not be too alarmed either. ;)

[Hoovie]

Do you all think President Bush would have signed the DNA testing into law last week if America had become outraged about the DNA testing ordered of 463 children in Texas a couple of weeks before? I saw a great movie set in the future about genetics determining all one's options in life despite whatever drive an individual might have to succeed in an area that he or she wasn't "qualified"' to consider. It was scary stuff. :crazywalls

My first thoughts when I read about this.

[Rico]

Rico- If I hadn't seen the Gattica movie I might not be too alarmed either. ;)

That's the problem. People watch all this government conspiracy stuff in movies and they start to believe it's true. I haven't watched that movie, so I don't know what's in it. I do know we need to separate fact from fiction though.

[Newman]

That's the problem. People watch all this government conspiracy stuff in movies and they start to believe it's true. I haven't watched that movie, so I don't know what's in it. I do know we need to separate fact from fiction though.

This wasn't a government conspiracy movie. It was about the choices people make to opt for designer babies when given that opportunity and the society that results from it. (The rejected in society were those conceived the old fashioned way/ sex as opposed to perfect DNA test tube mixes). It presented some ideas that were worthwhile to consider. ;)

[Rico]

This wasn't a government conspiracy movie. It was about the choices people make to opt for designer babies if given that option. It presented some ideas that were very worthwhile to consider. ;)


I see. If I had the choice, I would eliminate the fat gene, and my girls would all be ugly as home made sin! :D That way I wouldn't have to worry about hairy legged boys coming around to take my girls out on dates, and I wouldn't have to think about how I am going to kill the first one who knocks on the door. :lol

[Dedicated Mind]

bump for dt

[DividedThigh]

hey guys it was my understanding about the screening for diseases thing, maybe there is more to it, only the evil ones know that, i do love my freedom brother, there is no telling where this country is headed, good grief, i will have to check that out for sure, dt