The Emasculating of Men and Masculation of Women

[James Griffin]

Women are increasingly independent, not a bad thing at all in and of itself.

But with the independence also comes a price.


Women are now more likely than ever to choose to have a child and start a family without a husband.


Married women are now more likely than ever to be the ones having the affair. A phenomena documented by social scientists over the past couple of decades.

While the “polls’ conducted by such venerable institutions as Redbook, and Cosmo would the public believe that half of all Americans are swingers, the less than titillating truth is the majority of men (and women) don’t cheat on their spouses.

Accurate numbers are difficult for many reasons, even things like a male’s tendency to exaggerate their "exploits" and a female’s to minimize theirs.

Nonetheless a trend is a trend. And women in our society are picking up more “male” traits for example:

Violent and sexual behavior among our preteen and teen boys have stabilized but those behaviors among our preteen and teen girls (while still much less than boys) have increased 200-300% over the past decade.

What else can be expected in a society that systematically emasculates the males?

One of the traits of a true man was to protect the virtue of a woman. By trying to curb what the feminists call the male aggression factor they are also suppressing a few of the things that make REAL men worth having around. Like Nobility and Chivalry.

But even on this forum at times there are shades of who needs a man.

(Happy Rhoni? Thread started)

:hanky

[rgcraig]

Carp started a thread a bit like this before in regards of how the atmosphere in the church is even changing because of these changes in society. How women are taking over the church and men are passive.

It's completely against the way God wanted woman to be in my opinion. We were created to me a help meet and nurturer - not the provider.

But even on this forum at times there are shades of who needs a man.

:lol

Now, let the thread roll!

[Sister Alvear]

agreed...go to work men...ha...

[Sister Alvear]

ever notice those signs they put up...SLOW..men working...

[Scott Hutchinson]

God made men and women differently,so men and women need each other.
If Adam was ok by himself why did he need eve ?
Man and Women are equal in God's eyes,but the male and female natures are supposed to work together as a team.

[Margies3]

Let me start out by saying that I am in TOTAL agreement with what you've said.

On the flip side tho, what do you do with women like Timothy's grandmother in the Bible? Didn't she work? And how about in the virtuous woman - don't they talk about her working well with her hands, etc.? I suppose I should go and take the time to look these passages up so that I can talk intelligently before I post, but right now I'm just trying to take out enough time to eat my lunch. LOL

[rgcraig]

Let me start out by saying that I am in TOTAL agreement with what you've said.

On the flip side tho, what do you do with women like Timothy's grandmother in the Bible? Didn't she work? And how about in the virtuous woman - don't they talk about her working well with her hands, etc.? I suppose I should go and take the time to look these passages up so that I can talk intelligently before I post, but right now I'm just trying to take out enough time to eat my lunch. LOL

I think if you check they worked, but probably not for money. They worked in the fields, spinning thread, whatever women in the day did for their families - just like stay at home moms do now. Do they work? You better betcha they do!

[Ron]

So true!

The devil is having a hey day in making mince meat of traditional roles of men and women in the Church and by extension society.

As I said before, the word "unisex" isn't in the Bible!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes and a woman can work a public job and be a chaste keeper at home too.
When our children were very little my wife stayed home,but she does work a public job at Catholic social services now.

[Cindy]

ever notice those signs they put up...SLOW..men working...

:toofunny

[Cindy]

Women can be feminine without being a feminist. But in THE CHURCH men are the determining factor according to scripture. If he is loving his wife as Christ loves the church, then his wife feels secure and safe, and doesn't have to go outside the marriage. Likewise if wives are under submission to God, then her husband, her husband is secure in the knowledge that he is the head of the family. These are not roles we are to assume, they are commandments of God.

[MrsMcD]

Women can be feminine without being a feminist. But in THE CHURCH men are the determining factor according to scripture. If he is loving his wife as Christ loves the church, then his wife feels secure and safe, and doesn't have to go outside the marriage. Likewise if wives are under submission to God, then her husband, her husband is secure in the knowledge that he is the head of the family. These are not roles we are to assume, they are commandments of God.

Amen!

I remember before I got married, my dad would give me the father/daughter talks. I would always frown at the wife's role as the one submitting. My dad always taught me that if a husband will love his wife as Christ loves the church, the woman shouldn't have any problem submitting. I now agree. lol

[James Griffin]

The WAR AGAINST BOYS: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men
by Christina Hoff Sommers

is a great book written from a non-religious point of view focusing in primarily on our educational system


It documents the repercussions this is having on our society,

[Baron1710]

The WAR AGAINST BOYS: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men (
by Christina Hoff Sommers

is a great book written from a non-religious point of view focusing in primarily on our educational system


It documents the repercussions this is having on our society,

One of the things I have been doing with my 14 year old is watching movies with him. Movies like Braveheart, Gladiator, We were Soldiers, Saving Private Ryan, Patriot, etc. After the movie we talk about the roll that the man played and the men we admired and why. We talk about the sacrifices a real man will make and how a coward only cares for his own life.

[MrsMcD]

The WAR AGAINST BOYS: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men (
by Christina Hoff Sommers

is a great book written from a non-religious point of view focusing in primarily on our educational system


It documents the repercussions this is having on our society,

This post reminded me of the book Jim Yohe wrote about homosexuality. It was about how mothers can have a negative influence on boys. I can see how feminism is definitely harming our young men.

[MrsMcD]

One of the things I have been doing with my 14 year old is watching movies with him. Movies like Braveheart, Gladiator, We were Soldiers, Saving Private Ryan, Patriot, etc. After the movie we talk about the roll that the man played and the men we admired and why. We talk about the sacrifices a real man will make and how a coward only cares for his own life.

I'm glad you posted this. I think I will stop complaining about my husband allowing our son to watch war movies. I always think about the violent content but you have a point. I'm going to have to think about this.

[James Griffin]

One of the things I have been doing with my 14 year old is watching movies with him. Movies like Braveheart, Gladiator, We were Soldiers, Saving Private Ryan, Patriot, etc. After the movie we talk about the roll that the man played and the men we admired and why. We talk about the sacrifices a real man will make and how a coward only cares for his own life.

Not sure the ultra-cons would agree with your choice of medium LOL.

However the concept is great.

I believe this is what was done for generations before ours, sitting around the campfire carrying on an oral tradition of tales of bravery and selfless sacrifice.

It was as much role modeling as entertainment.

Our entertainment (read Hollywood) makes it a point to portray the male, especially the father figure as a buffoon.

Even in the Freddy Kruger type movies it is the teenage GIRL that is the hero.

[Baron1710]

I'm glad you posted this. I think I will stop complaining about my husband allowing our son to watch war movies. I always think about the violent content but you have a point. I'm going to have to think about this.

I don't think glorifying violence is a good thing but I think boys need to learn how to become men. Another great book is Wild at Heart. When my son turned 12 I bought him a sword with our family motto engraved on it in Latin which translated is "Do right and fear no man." boys don't become men by accident they have to learn it.

[Cindy]

One of the things I have been doing with my 14 year old is watching movies with him. Movies like Braveheart, Gladiator, We were Soldiers, Saving Private Ryan, Patriot, etc. After the movie we talk about the roll that the man played and the men we admired and why. We talk about the sacrifices a real man will make and how a coward only cares for his own life.

AMEN!!!! What an excellent way to teach your child. And not only physically, but emotionally as well.

[Praxeas]

Women are increasingly independent, not a bad thing at all in and of itself.

But with the independence also comes a price.


Women are now more likely than ever to choose to have a child and start a family without a husband.


Married women are now more likely than ever to be the ones having the affair. A phenomena documented by social scientists over the past couple of decades.

While the “polls’ conducted by such venerable institutions as Redbook, and Cosmo would the public believe that half of all Americans are swingers, the less than titillating truth is the majority of men (and women) don’t cheat on their spouses.

Accurate numbers are difficult for many reasons, even things like a male’s tendency to exaggerate their "exploits" and a female’s to minimize theirs.

Nonetheless a trend is a trend. And women in our society are picking up more “male” traits for example:

Violent and sexual behavior among our preteen and teen boys have stabilized but those behaviors among our preteen and teen girls (while still much less than boys) have increased 200-300% over the past decade.

What else can be expected in a society that systematically emasculates the males?

One of the traits of a true man was to protect the virtue of a woman. By trying to curb what the feminists call the male aggression factor they are also suppressing a few of the things that make REAL men worth having around. Like Nobility and Chivalry.

But even on this forum at times there are shades of who needs a man.

(Happy Rhoni? Thread started)

:hanky
I think Media has a lot to do with this. Our permissiveness also has a lot. Women's lib was one thing....women's lib ran by a bunch of men hating butches was another

[Cindy]

I don't think glorifying violence is a good thing but I think boys need to learn how to become men. Another great book is Wild at Heart. When my son turned 12 I bought him a sword with our family motto engraved on it in Latin which translated is "Do right and fear no man." boys don't become men by accident they have to learn it.

The real sadness to me comes from so many children being raised in violent homes. And not just the Dad's are violent. And many YOUNG boys and girls willing to kill and die.

[Cindy]

Amen!

I remember before I got married, my dad would give me the father/daughter talks. I would always frown at the wife's role as the one submitting. My dad always taught me that if a husband will love his wife as Christ loves the church, the woman shouldn't have any problem submitting. I now agree. lol

But the men are to submit as well, to God. A lot of people leave that part out.
And if they are truly submitted to God their spirit is right. So there is no, I am the king of my domain with arrogance and force. It is with a loving spirit that you are my wife and I am your support (emotionally as well as monetarily) and protector, emotionally as well as physically.

[James Griffin]

I'm glad you posted this. I think I will stop complaining about my husband allowing our son to watch war movies. I always think about the violent content but you have a point. I'm going to have to think about this.

I think Baron made an important distinction, when my boys were younger and would watch such things I made it a point to discuss what parts were fantasy and what parts were reality. People don't die and just get up. People who are beat up go to the hospital for weeks. The difference between revenge and self-defense.

Watching violence in a vacuum IS harmful. Personally, I believe the way he is handling it is great.

Too many of our boys grow up without a true father figure. Even when dad is in the house.

[Baron1710]

Another great book is "Raising a Modern Day Knight." Boys long to be men. They want to be daring and dangerous. I would love to see a movie about David's mighty men of valor.

[Cindy]

I think Baron made an important distinction, when my boys were younger and would watch such things I made it a point to discuss what parts were fantasy and what parts were reality. People don't die and just get up. People who are beat up go to the hospital for weeks. The difference between revenge and self-defense.

Watching violence in a vacuum IS harmful. Personally, I believe the way he is handling it is great.

Too many of our boys grow up without a true father figure. Even when dad is in the house.

The sad thing is our children start very young with violent cartoons. My 4 year old grandson likes the show Cops. He can role play the part of cop and bad guy. Put your hands where I can see them, put your hands up, get out of the car, get on the ground, put your hands behind your back, do not resist, you are under arrest, you are going to jail. Most of these words are repeated and shouted. The bad guys always seem to refuse to obey orders and resist, until finally they are subdued and searched for drugs and weapons. Then they are placed in the back seat of the patrol car with the warning to watch your head, and scoot over and place your feet in the car. Then off they go to jail.

[Cindy]

Another great book is "Raising a Modern Day Knight." Boys long to be men. They want to be daring and dangerous. I would love to see a movie about David's mighty men of valor.

The Bible contains many excellent stories especially in the OT for our children. I think that is a great idea Baron.

[rgcraig]

I don't think glorifying violence is a good thing but I think boys need to learn how to become men. Another great book is Wild at Heart. When my son turned 12 I bought him a sword with our family motto engraved on it in Latin which translated is "Do right and fear no man." boys don't become men by accident they have to learn it.

Wild at Heart is excellent. I gave this to my soon to be son in law for Christmas and he read it all and told me he really thought it was appropriate for him to read.

Baron, sounds like you are doing it right! Throw a little instruction on how to treat a lady and you'll have some fine young men!

[rgcraig]

I think Media has a lot to do with this. Our permissiveness also has a lot. Women's lib was one thing....women's lib ran by a bunch of men hating butches was another

Whew, don't read that too fast...........

[Rhoni]

Carp started a thread a bit like this before in regards of how the atmosphere in the church is even changing because of these changes in society. How women are taking over the church and men are passive.

It's completely against the way God wanted woman to be in my opinion. We were created to me a help meet and nurturer - not the provider.


:lol

Now, let the thread roll! In a majority of churches it has always been the women that ran things and the men have most often been passive.

[Rhoni]

Like all situations...the women do all the work and the men take all the credit:) LOL

[Cindy]

Whew, don't read that too fast...........

:toofunny

[James Griffin]

But the men are to submit as well, to God. A lot of people leave that part out.
And if they are truly submitted to God their spirit is right. So there is no, I am the king of my domain with arrogance and force. It is with a loving spirit that you are my wife and I am your support (emotionally as well as monetarily) and protector, emotionally as well as physically.

I RARELY put my foot down and say there is no discussion. (Maybe 3-4 times in ten years).

But on those occasions when I do my wife accepts it, because she has learned through the years I would never do that unless I sincerely believed it best for her, not me.

True godly authority is rarely an issue in the home, church or anywhere else. It's is when abusive authority attempts to masquerade as godly authority

[Baron1710]

Wild at Heart is excellent. I gave this to my soon to be son in law for Christmas and he read it all and told me he really thought it was appropriate for him to read.

Baron, sounds like you are doing it right! Throw a little instruction on how to treat a lady and you'll have some fine young men!

Oh, we work on that too. Holding doors, respect, shielding them from danger, etc. My pastor in Oregon was so big on this. When a lady would take the steps to the platform the young men were trained to escort her up.

Another thing we do is every morning we read a chapter from Proverbs (I am gone by the time he gets up) and he calls me and we talk about 2 or 3 of the verses and he also talks to me about the devotional he is reading. (Right now it’s the Purpose Driven Life). We usually go to breakfast together on Saturdays and we talk about Sports, politics, and usually a substantive issue as well...like girls.

He is far from perfect right now, he doesn't have a perfect instructor either. I would like to hear some input from other men about things the do to teach their boys.

[tamor]

ever notice those signs they put up...SLOW..men working...

:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

[rgcraig]

Oh, we work on that too. Holding doors, respect, shielding them from danger, etc. My pastor in Oregon was so big on this. When a lady would take the steps to the platform the young men were trained to escort her up.

Another thing we do is every morning we read a chapter from Proverbs (I am gone by the time he gets up) and he calls me and we talk about 2 or 3 of the verses and he also talks to me about the devotional he is reading. (Right now it’s the Purpose Driven Life). We usually go to breakfast together on Saturdays and we talk about Sports, politics, and usually a substantive issue as well...like girls.

He is far from perfect right now, he doesn't have a perfect instructor either. I would like to hear some input from other men about things the do to teach their boys.
EXCELLENT!!! You sound like a very good dad!

[DividedThigh]

i think it is a shame that society has become so bungled and twisted that it is hard for a man to be a gentleman anymore even if he knows how, i take my hat off to the few remaining real men who know how to treat a lady, i am trying to do that myself, dt

[James Griffin]

i think it is a shame that society has become so bungled and twisted that it is hard for a man to be a gentleman anymore even if he knows how, i take my hat off to the few remaining real men who know how to treat a lady, i am trying to do that myself, dt

Which brings up a side issue dt.

I am a self-avowed chauvinist perhaps too old to change if I wanted to, but I know many younger men who have quit trying to be a "gentleman" because of women who have bitten their head off when they tried to be courteous and told them it was demeaning and they could take care of themselves.

Unfortunately with all the mixed signals is it no surprise that so many of our young men have given up in confusion.

[MrsMcD]

Oh, we work on that too. Holding doors, respect, shielding them from danger, etc. My pastor in Oregon was so big on this. When a lady would take the steps to the platform the young men were trained to escort her up.

Another thing we do is every morning we read a chapter from Proverbs (I am gone by the time he gets up) and he calls me and we talk about 2 or 3 of the verses and he also talks to me about the devotional he is reading. (Right now it’s the Purpose Driven Life). We usually go to breakfast together on Saturdays and we talk about Sports, politics, and usually a substantive issue as well...like girls.

He is far from perfect right now, he doesn't have a perfect instructor either. I would like to hear some input from other men about things the do to teach their boys.

:thumbsup It sounds like you have a great relationship with your son.

[rgcraig]

Which brings up a side issue dt.

I am a self-avowed chauvinist perhaps too old to change if I wanted to, but I know many younger men who have quit trying to be a "gentleman" because of women who have bitten their head off when they tried to be courteous and told them it was demeaning and they could take care of themselves.

Unfortunately with all the mixed signals is it no surprise that so many of our young men have given up in confusion.
Sad indeed.

[Rhoni]

I RARELY put my foot down and say there is no discussion. (Maybe 3-4 times in ten years).

But on those occasions when I do my wife accepts it, because she has learned through the years I would never do that unless I sincerely believed it best for her, not me.

True godly authority is rarely an issue in the home, church or anywhere else. It's is when abusive authority attempts to masquerade as godly authority

Jim, This is aboslutely true...unfortunately, just as abuse as a child casts a shadow on the person as an adult, abusive spiritual authority causes years of ramifications. I am a case in point.

I try really hard to submit to Pastoral authority and when in a relationship with a man/his authority but it is often marred by paranoia and distrust.

People tell me they love me but I don't believe them nor trust them for the most part...right down to my own family. That is why I stay in therapy:):tissue

Blessings, Rhoni

[DividedThigh]

Which brings up a side issue dt.

I am a self-avowed chauvinist perhaps too old to change if I wanted to, but I know many younger men who have quit trying to be a "gentleman" because of women who have bitten their head off when they tried to be courteous and told them it was demeaning and they could take care of themselves.

Unfortunately with all the mixed signals is it no surprise that so many of our young men have given up in confusion.

i would have to say that rejecting all the traditions in the name of personal freedom has not always worked out for the weaker gender, lol, but then again a woman can find a real man if she wants one, just depends on if she is willing to let him be that, dt

[Rhoni]

Which brings up a side issue dt.

I am a self-avowed chauvinist perhaps too old to change if I wanted to, but I know many younger men who have quit trying to be a "gentleman" because of women who have bitten their head off when they tried to be courteous and told them it was demeaning and they could take care of themselves.

Unfortunately with all the mixed signals is it no surprise that so many of our young men have given up in confusion.

Jim,

I think this is primarily women in the world. I can't see Christian ladies saying such a thing. If a man wants to impress me - he opens the door, addresses me respectfully, and never puts me in a compromising situation.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rhoni]

i would have to say that rejecting all the traditions in the name of personal freedom has not always worked out for the weaker gender, lol, but then again a woman can find a real man if she wants one, just depends on if she is willing to let him be that, dt

Agreed!

[DividedThigh]

rhoni, that sounds like a real woman, congrats, dt

[Rhoni]

rhoni, that sounds like a real woman, congrats, dt

Thank-you..I was hoping I had not been masculated {is that a word?}:bliss

[James Griffin]

Jim,

I think this is primarily women in the world. I can't see Christian ladies saying such a thing. If a man wants to impress me - he opens the door, addresses me respectfully, and never puts me in a compromising situation.

Blessings, Rhoni


Perhaps it is less common in holiness circles. But I see most of the societal mores reflected in the church at large.

[DividedThigh]

Perhaps it is less common in holiness circles. But I see most of the societal mores reflected in the church at large.

agreed brother, but it is there for sure, i have seen it, dt

[DividedThigh]

Thank-you..I was hoping I had not been masculated {is that a word?}:bliss

you are welcome maam, lol, really, that sounds awful that word, i sure hope not, lol,dt:bliss

[Rhoni]

you are welcome maam, lol, really, that sounds awful that word, i sure hope not, lol,dt:bliss

spell check has made my mind lazy:gaga It does sound bad doesn't it? LOL

[LadyRev]

Awww DT, if it will make you feel better...

I'll let you come field dress the deer I shoot anytime you want to even though I can do the job myself. :)


i think it is a shame that society has become so bungled and twisted that it is hard for a man to be a gentleman anymore even if he knows how, i take my hat off to the few remaining real men who know how to treat a lady, i am trying to do that myself, dt

[MrsMcD]

Which brings up a side issue dt.

I am a self-avowed chauvinist perhaps too old to change if I wanted to, but I know many younger men who have quit trying to be a "gentleman" because of women who have bitten their head off when they tried to be courteous and told them it was demeaning and they could take care of themselves.

Unfortunately with all the mixed signals is it no surprise that so many of our young men have given up in confusion.

Don't change! I'm sure your wife appreciates the way you treat her. I prefer to be treated courteous.

Recently, my boss and I were out of town and we were downtown walking to a restaurant, I was on the outside by the road and my boss made me move to the inside because he said, no man should let a women walk on the outside near the road. I thought it was funny at the time and then the more I thought about it, I thought he is correct. He says he is old school. He always opens the car door when we go somewhere. Well, I will take the old school treatment any day!

[Elizabeth]

This thread rather hits home for me because of what I have witnessed in recent days. I think I may look at the topic a little different but this is how I feel about it anyway. I used to be one that really believed woman should have their voice heard and be in leadership in church. (actually I still do)

But over the last few years and the last few days, there is nothing more unappealing than a woman who steps out of authority and tries to take over a church service.

I have actually seen a woman grab the microphone out of someone hand because they felt they just had to say something. It made my stomach hurt, and I felt embarrassed-and it was very masculine imo.

I mean there are times when it is appropriate to speak and share your heart, but when a woman demands to be heard as is very domineering when doing so-I think it puts people off and perhaps turns men off from wanting to put or use a woman in a leadership role.--JMHO :)

[Cindy]

This thread rather hits home for me because of what I have witnessed in recent days. I think I may look at the topic a little different but this is how I feel about it anyway. I used to be one that really believed woman should have their voice heard and be in leadership in church. (actually I still do)

But over the last few years and the last few days, there is nothing more unappealing than a woman who steps out of authority and tries to take over a church service.

I have actually seen a woman grab the microphone out of someone hand because they felt they just had to say something. It made my stomach hurt, and I felt embarrassed-and it was very masculine imo.

I mean there are times when it is appropriate to speak and share your heart, but when a woman demands to be heard as is very domineering when doing so-I think it puts people off and perhaps turns men off from wanting to put or use a woman in a leadership role.--JMHO :)


That was just plain rude. It would be the same if a man did it.

[rgcraig]

Don't change! I'm sure your wife appreciates the way you treat her. I prefer to be treated courteous.

Recently, my boss and I were out of town and we were downtown walking to a restaurant, I was on the outside by the road and my boss made me move to the inside because he said, no man should let a women walk on the outside near the road. I thought it was funny at the time and then the more I thought about it, I thought he is correct. He says he is old school. He always opens the car door when we go somewhere. Well, I will take the old school treatment any day!

My son does this and even when we are eating in a restaurant, he always wants the seat that faces the door. He said that way if someone comes in going nutty, he'll be the first to react. Kind of makes sense and now I just always know to make sure I sit in the seat that's away from the door - still trying to train his wife how to figure that out - lol!!!!

[Cindy]

My son does this and even when we are eating in a restaurant, he always wants the seat that faces the door. He said that way if someone comes in going nutty, he'll be the first to react. Kind of makes sense and now I just always know to make sure I sit in the seat that's away from the door - still trying to train his wife how to figure that out - lol!!!!

A lot of law enforcement and military people do that also Renda.

[Pressing-On]

This thread rather hits home for me because of what I have witnessed in recent days. I think I may look at the topic a little different but this is how I feel about it anyway. I used to be one that really believed woman should have their voice heard and be in leadership in church. (actually I still do)

But over the last few years and the last few days, there is nothing more unappealing than a woman who steps out of authority and tries to take over a church service.

I have actually seen a woman grab the microphone out of someone hand because they felt they just had to say something. It made my stomach hurt, and I felt embarrassed-and it was very masculine imo.

I mean there are times when it is appropriate to speak and share your heart, but when a woman demands to be heard as is very domineering when doing so-I think it puts people off and perhaps turns men off from wanting to put or use a woman in a leadership role.--JMHO :)
Amen, Jeanie! Good post!!

[rgcraig]

A lot of law enforcement and military people do that also Renda.

Yes - that's where he got it from I'm sure. He's gone through training.

[Elizabeth]

That was just plain rude. It would be the same if a man did it.

I was shocked to say the least.

[Elizabeth]

Amen, Jeanie! Good post!!

Thanks Pressing, it's something that has been on my heart for a few days and this thread just gave me an opportunity to share it.

[MrsMcD]

My son does this and even when we are eating in a restaurant, he always wants the seat that faces the door. He said that way if someone comes in going nutty, he'll be the first to react. Kind of makes sense and now I just always know to make sure I sit in the seat that's away from the door - still trying to train his wife how to figure that out - lol!!!!

I'm sure this makes you proud of your son. My husband is oblivious to these things. :tissue

[Mrs. LPW]

ever notice those signs they put up...SLOW..men working...

:toofunny

:toofunny

:toofunny

[Mrs. LPW]

I think if you check they worked, but probably not for money. They worked in the fields, spinning thread, whatever women in the day did for their families - just like stay at home moms do now. Do they work? You better betcha they do!

Amen (a very hearty one)

[Mrs. LPW]

Women can be feminine without being a feminist. But in THE CHURCH men are the determining factor according to scripture. If he is loving his wife as Christ loves the church, then his wife feels secure and safe, and doesn't have to go outside the marriage. Likewise if wives are under submission to God, then her husband, her husband is secure in the knowledge that he is the head of the family. These are not roles we are to assume, they are commandments of God.

Another hearty Amen!!!

[Mrs. LPW]

I'm sure this makes you proud of your son. My husband is oblivious to these things. :tissue

lol. well I didn't want to say it but... mine would be sitting where he could see the game (in Boston Pizza etc) :)

[Sherri]

My son does this and even when we are eating in a restaurant, he always wants the seat that faces the door. He said that way if someone comes in going nutty, he'll be the first to react. Kind of makes sense and now I just always know to make sure I sit in the seat that's away from the door - still trying to train his wife how to figure that out - lol!!!!Eddie always does this too, but I just thought it was a man thing - wanting to see everything that's going on. LOL!

[James Griffin]

My son does this and even when we are eating in a restaurant, he always wants the seat that faces the door. He said that way if someone comes in going nutty, he'll be the first to react.

A lot of law enforcement and military people do that also Renda.

Eddie always does this too, but I just thought it was a man thing - wanting to see everything that's going on. LOL!

I've always done this, but never really thought about it until this thread.

[Hoovie]

I've always done this, but never really thought about it until this thread.

I most always do - it's male instinct. AND it's NOT so we can see the females walking by!

[Cindy]

You may be right Stephen, maybe it is male instinct.