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James Griffin
05-21-2008, 12:08 PM
This month marks the 15th anniversary of my membership as a member of the State Bar of Texas. I am sending in the paperwork to change my status to inactive.

This has been brewing in my spirit for many months, and ironically enough one of the main catalysts was Resolution 4 at the last general conference.

The spirit of divisiveness was appalling enough, but from the aftermath it was clear that too many Apostolics are of a “flee” the world as opposed to being separate from the world mentality. Many Apostolics, especially those who still believe modesty and a holy lifestyle should be paramount: those who have been buried the wonderful name of Jesus, and filled with the Holy Ghost, seem to deny the power of God to transform the world and therefore cling to a "hold the fort I am coming" mentality, and an isolationist monastic mindset.

God has given the church a mandate to go forth. In many cases the American part of the body has changed that to “build a better mousetrap and they will beat a path to our door.”

We have written off the circles of influence such as government, sports, entertainment, and education.

We should attempt to influence all of these not only for the sake of evangelism but also it is simply the right thing to do.

As a parent, preacher, and former juvenile prosecutor I have come to note there is no institution more in need of an Apostolic presence than the educational system. I know here in Houston there are some Apostolics that work within that system and have decided to join them.

The necessary steps have been taken to be eligible to apply for position as an elementary school teacher and I will start doing so next week.

It is my intention to learn enough to able to try to influence the beast from within. Lost cause? Perhaps, but I believe we are mandated to try nonetheless.

The last few months I have been privileged to reconnect with old friends and make new ones by means of these forums. In all that time I do not recall even once making a public request for prayer. But I humbly do so now. For wisdom and guidance.

MrsMcD
05-21-2008, 12:14 PM
This is awesome! I will keep you in my prayers. I'm excited about how God is going to use you to work in the lives of children. My son is in fifth grade and I know that his teachers have an impact on his life. Any time, he founds out that one of his teachers believe in God or goes to church, he comes home and tells me. Never underestimate the influence you will have on the lives of the children you will teach. God Bless You!

mizpeh
05-21-2008, 12:18 PM
Well, I guessed wrong! I thought government but it's education. :)

Praying for you, JG. Pro 3:6

Ron
05-21-2008, 12:19 PM
This month marks the 15th anniversary of my membership as a member of the State Bar of Texas. I am sending in the paperwork to change my status to inactive.

This has been brewing in my spirit for many months, and ironically enough one of the main catalysts was Resolution 4 at the last general conference.

The spirit of divisiveness was appalling enough, but from the aftermath it was clear that too many Apostolics are of a “flee” the world as opposed to being separate from the world mentality. Many Apostolics, especially those who still believe modesty and a holy lifestyle should be paramount: those who have been buried the wonderful name of Jesus, and filled with the Holy Ghost, seem to deny the power of God to transform the world and therefore cling to a "hold the fort I am coming" mentality, and an isolationist monastic mindset.

God has given the church a mandate to go forth. In many cases the American part of the body has changed that to “build a better mousetrap and they will beat a path to our door.”

We have written off the circles of influence such as government, sports, entertainment, and education.

We should attempt to influence all of these not only for the sake of evangelism but also it is simply the right thing to do.

As a parent, preacher, and former juvenile prosecutor I have come to note there is no institution more in need of an Apostolic presence than the educational system. I know here in Houston there are some Apostolics that work within that system and have decided to join them.

The necessary steps have been taken to be eligible to apply for position as an elementary school teacher and I will start doing so next week.

It is my intention to learn enough to able to try to influence the beast from within. Lost cause? Perhaps, but I believe we are mandated to try nonetheless.

The last few months I have been privileged to reconnect with old friends and make new ones by means of these forums. In all that time I do not recall even once making a public request for prayer. But I humbly do so now. For wisdom and guidance.

Praying for you as you take the steps forward into a new challenge.

SDG
05-21-2008, 12:20 PM
Some of us are masochists.

Sister Alvear
05-21-2008, 12:22 PM
praying here in Brazil for you.

DividedThigh
05-21-2008, 12:22 PM
prayin for you brother, god bless your efforts in Jesus name, dt

Digging4Truth
05-21-2008, 12:27 PM
It is my observation that this mindset is supported by futurism.

Futurism teaches us...

The Lord is coming to rescue us from what would be eminent defeat.
When evil prevails it is just a sign of the times (ie... ordained by God aka God's will)

It is a spirit and attitude of defeatism that expects no victorious church that will see great revival but only a church being beaten down by the enemy hoping for the eminent rescue from the very grasp of defeat.

In short... futurism fosters a mentality that says "were it not for the return of Christ the church would have been completely and utterly destroyed and rendered powerless"

When I was a futurist I did not realize this mindset within myself and could not have seen it.

Futurists will vehemently deny that this is the resulting mindset of the their favored theology but have a conversation with one about the state of the world today...

What are the faithful's answers?

"Well brother... God said it would be this way."

"I am just glad I have another home waiting for me."

Baron1710
05-21-2008, 12:36 PM
Good for you. You are the kind of person that will change the world.

dizzyde
05-21-2008, 12:37 PM
That is amazing Bro. Griffin, I will definitely be praying for you. I think there a few jobs that hold as much influence in our society.

mizpeh
05-21-2008, 12:40 PM
Futurists will vehemently deny that this is the resulting mindset of the their favored theology but have a conversation with one about the state of the world today
I'm looking for revival and a mighty revival at that! :)


and I'm a futurist!

MrsMcD
05-21-2008, 12:42 PM
I'm looking for revival and a mighty revival at that! :)


and I'm a futurist!

Amen Sister!

rgcraig
05-21-2008, 01:20 PM
James,

This is wonderful! I hear exactly what you are saying and have always felt that is the way to make change to our world - from within!

I will certainly re-add you to my prayer list for guidance and wisdom and that you are placed in the perfect spot to make the biggest difference!

James Griffin
05-21-2008, 01:24 PM
Some of us are masochists.

Actually dear friend I was hoping for more of a Don Quixote effect. :-)

You on the other hand are a true masochist, from your choice of posting style to your occupation as a Jr High Special Ed. instructor.

mizpeh
05-21-2008, 01:28 PM
You on the other hand are a true masochist, from your choice of posting style to your occupation as a Jr High Special Ed. instructor.

I heard the hammer hit the nail on the head that time! :ouch

Cindy
05-21-2008, 01:37 PM
My dear brother, you inspire and impress me more and more as I read your posts. What an excellent choice and spirit, to begin a calling that at least looks like a giant mountain in your path. But a man of faith, such as yourself, and a mountain moving God will work wonders. May you teach our children well, and expect to see great changes follow. And as I tried to teach my children, DO THE RIGHT THING ANYWAY.

Rhoni
05-21-2008, 02:16 PM
It is my observation that this mindset is supported by futurism.

Futurism teaches us...

The Lord is coming to rescue us from what would be eminent defeat.
When evil prevails it is just a sign of the times (ie... ordained by God aka God's will)

It is a spirit and attitude of defeatism that expects no victorious church that will see great revival but only a church being beaten down by the enemy hoping for the eminent rescue from the very grasp of defeat.

In short... futurism fosters a mentality that says "were it not for the return of Christ the church would have been completely and utterly destroyed and rendered powerless"

When I was a futurist I did not realize this mindset within myself and could not have seen it.

Futurists will vehemently deny that this is the resulting mindset of the their favored theology but have a conversation with one about the state of the world today...

What are the faithful's answers?

"Well brother... God said it would be this way."

"I am just glad I have another home waiting for me."

That is the truth!

Rhoni
05-21-2008, 02:17 PM
This month marks the 15th anniversary of my membership as a member of the State Bar of Texas. I am sending in the paperwork to change my status to inactive.

This has been brewing in my spirit for many months, and ironically enough one of the main catalysts was Resolution 4 at the last general conference.

The spirit of divisiveness was appalling enough, but from the aftermath it was clear that too many Apostolics are of a “flee” the world as opposed to being separate from the world mentality. Many Apostolics, especially those who still believe modesty and a holy lifestyle should be paramount: those who have been buried the wonderful name of Jesus, and filled with the Holy Ghost, seem to deny the power of God to transform the world and therefore cling to a "hold the fort I am coming" mentality, and an isolationist monastic mindset.

God has given the church a mandate to go forth. In many cases the American part of the body has changed that to “build a better mousetrap and they will beat a path to our door.”

We have written off the circles of influence such as government, sports, entertainment, and education.

We should attempt to influence all of these not only for the sake of evangelism but also it is simply the right thing to do.

As a parent, preacher, and former juvenile prosecutor I have come to note there is no institution more in need of an Apostolic presence than the educational system. I know here in Houston there are some Apostolics that work within that system and have decided to join them.

The necessary steps have been taken to be eligible to apply for position as an elementary school teacher and I will start doing so next week.

It is my intention to learn enough to able to try to influence the beast from within. Lost cause? Perhaps, but I believe we are mandated to try nonetheless.

The last few months I have been privileged to reconnect with old friends and make new ones by means of these forums. In all that time I do not recall even once making a public request for prayer. But I humbly do so now. For wisdom and guidance.


Prayers are going up for you, i.e, open doors, renewed ministry, and refreshing for you and your family.

IN Jesus name,
Rhoni

nahkoe
05-21-2008, 02:18 PM
Actually dear friend I was hoping for more of a Don Quixote effect. :-)

You on the other hand are a true masochist, from your choice of posting style to your occupation as a Jr High Special Ed. instructor.

Hey now, I'm considering highschool special ed. lol Or highschool math. I actually am not sure which of those holds the greater challenges.

Cindy
05-21-2008, 02:22 PM
Hey now, I'm considering highschool special ed. lol Or highschool math. I actually am not sure which of those holds the greater challenges.

Wow, I am impressed with you also. Go forth and conquer. Yep, either one will be challenging.

nahkoe
05-21-2008, 02:24 PM
Praying for you.

James Griffin
05-21-2008, 04:42 PM
Hey now, I'm considering highschool special ed. lol Or highschool math. I actually am not sure which of those holds the greater challenges.

Each would have its own challenges and rewards. I am not sure there could be a wrong choice between them.

You would be a blessing and blessed either way I am sure.

Monkeyman
05-21-2008, 04:51 PM
Blah blah blah, admit it, you just want summers off to fish!!!!!!














J/K, be blessed in your new direction. BTW, my wife is a High School teacher, she loves it!

Ferd
05-21-2008, 05:23 PM
This month marks the 15th anniversary of my membership as a member of the State Bar of Texas. I am sending in the paperwork to change my status to inactive.

This has been brewing in my spirit for many months, and ironically enough one of the main catalysts was Resolution 4 at the last general conference.

The spirit of divisiveness was appalling enough, but from the aftermath it was clear that too many Apostolics are of a “flee” the world as opposed to being separate from the world mentality. Many Apostolics, especially those who still believe modesty and a holy lifestyle should be paramount: those who have been buried the wonderful name of Jesus, and filled with the Holy Ghost, seem to deny the power of God to transform the world and therefore cling to a "hold the fort I am coming" mentality, and an isolationist monastic mindset.

God has given the church a mandate to go forth. In many cases the American part of the body has changed that to “build a better mousetrap and they will beat a path to our door.”

We have written off the circles of influence such as government, sports, entertainment, and education.

We should attempt to influence all of these not only for the sake of evangelism but also it is simply the right thing to do.

As a parent, preacher, and former juvenile prosecutor I have come to note there is no institution more in need of an Apostolic presence than the educational system. I know here in Houston there are some Apostolics that work within that system and have decided to join them.

The necessary steps have been taken to be eligible to apply for position as an elementary school teacher and I will start doing so next week.

It is my intention to learn enough to able to try to influence the beast from within. Lost cause? Perhaps, but I believe we are mandated to try nonetheless.

The last few months I have been privileged to reconnect with old friends and make new ones by means of these forums. In all that time I do not recall even once making a public request for prayer. But I humbly do so now. For wisdom and guidance.


maybe it is my contentious nature but this post is just wierd to me.

its cool that you are going to teach. even better that the goal is to influence the beast as you call it.

but all because of the UPCI res 4 deal? you aint even UPCI. just seems a bit odd to me.

Rico
05-21-2008, 05:27 PM
This month marks the 15th anniversary of my membership as a member of the State Bar of Texas. I am sending in the paperwork to change my status to inactive.

This has been brewing in my spirit for many months, and ironically enough one of the main catalysts was Resolution 4 at the last general conference.

The spirit of divisiveness was appalling enough, but from the aftermath it was clear that too many Apostolics are of a “flee” the world as opposed to being separate from the world mentality. Many Apostolics, especially those who still believe modesty and a holy lifestyle should be paramount: those who have been buried the wonderful name of Jesus, and filled with the Holy Ghost, seem to deny the power of God to transform the world and therefore cling to a "hold the fort I am coming" mentality, and an isolationist monastic mindset.

God has given the church a mandate to go forth. In many cases the American part of the body has changed that to “build a better mousetrap and they will beat a path to our door.”

We have written off the circles of influence such as government, sports, entertainment, and education.

We should attempt to influence all of these not only for the sake of evangelism but also it is simply the right thing to do.

As a parent, preacher, and former juvenile prosecutor I have come to note there is no institution more in need of an Apostolic presence than the educational system. I know here in Houston there are some Apostolics that work within that system and have decided to join them.

The necessary steps have been taken to be eligible to apply for position as an elementary school teacher and I will start doing so next week.

It is my intention to learn enough to able to try to influence the beast from within. Lost cause? Perhaps, but I believe we are mandated to try nonetheless.

The last few months I have been privileged to reconnect with old friends and make new ones by means of these forums. In all that time I do not recall even once making a public request for prayer. But I humbly do so now. For wisdom and guidance.

I can see you wanting to be a teacher, but why give up your license to practice law? At least that is what I took the inactive comment to mean.

Scott Hutchinson
05-21-2008, 05:29 PM
Bro.Griffin may God use you in this position.

Cindy
05-21-2008, 05:33 PM
maybe it is my contentious nature but this post is just wierd to me.

its cool that you are going to teach. even better that the goal is to influence the beast as you call it.

but all because of the UPCI res 4 deal? you aint even UPCI. just seems a bit odd to me.

Not trying to speak for Brother Griffin, but I took it to mean instead of being isolated from the world he is going in to influence the next generation and try to make changes within the system since he was a juvenile prosecutor. The division caused by Res. 4 kind of was his turning point.

Ferd
05-21-2008, 05:56 PM
Not trying to speak for Brother Griffin, but I took it to mean instead of being isolated from the world he is going in to influence the next generation and try to make changes within the system since he was a juvenile prosecutor. The division caused by Res. 4 kind of was his turning point.

yea, but Brother Griffin, isnt part of such a system. that would be like some American politician switching parties because of what some frenchman did.

its just a bit odd that of all the reasons why someone would do such an altruistic thing (and I applaud Brother Griffins actions) he would use the UPCIs Res 4...which actually expands the role of the UPCI in the world....

Cindy
05-21-2008, 06:00 PM
yea, but Brother Griffin, isnt part of such a system. that would be like some American politician switching parties because of what some frenchman did.

its just a bit odd that of all the reasons why someone would do such an altruistic thing (and I applaud Brother Griffins actions) he would use the UPCIs Res 4...which actually expands the role of the UPCI in the world....

lol okay, I will let him tell you his reasoning, since he can splain it better than I can.........:)

MrsMcD
05-21-2008, 06:01 PM
lol okay, I will let him tell you his reasoning, since he can splain it better than I can.........:)

LOL - did you give up?

Cindy
05-21-2008, 06:10 PM
LOL - did you give up?

Yes, I hate to admit it, but I did. :girlytantrum

James Griffin
05-21-2008, 06:16 PM
Not trying to speak for Brother Griffin, but I took it to mean instead of being isolated from the world he is going in to influence the next generation and try to make changes within the system since he was a juvenile prosecutor. The division caused by Res. 4 kind of was his turning point.

Cindy, you are preceptive.

The attitudes behind Res 4 fallout was ONE of the catalysts which caused me to seriously question the role of the body of Christ while still here on earth. Even more narrowly the attitudes of the Apostolic church; separation from the world should not equate to isolation.

As stated Christ intended us to disciple the nations.

A great read for anyone interested would be Ed Silvoso - Transformation: Change the Marketplace and You Change the World.

Uganda may well be on its way to be the first nation ever (at least in modern times) where Christians actually hold sway in all public arenas and without being a theocracy.

I am unfortunately not normally a personally demonstrative person but I found myself speaking in tongues several times while reading that book, it is amazing what God has wrought in so many places just in the last couple years.

I do not subscribe to the Kingdom Now doctrine, but I have come to understand we are to do more than sit back, try to attract new people to our churches and hope for the best.

We should strive to be influential in every arena of influence. We are not responsible for the results God is, but we are responsible to try.

As God's body we have a mandate to address inequities in society and offer succor without succumbing to a social gospel. We have an mandate to evangelize and live holy without succumbing to isolation and ignoring the physical needs of our neighbor.

Cindy
05-21-2008, 06:19 PM
Cindy, you are preceptive.

The attitudes behind Res 4 fallout was ONE of the catalysts which caused me to seriously question the role of the body of Christ while still here on earth. Even more narrowly the attitudes of the Apostolic church; separation from the world should not equate to isolation.

As stated Christ intended us to disciple the nations.

A great read for anyone interested would be Ed Silvoso - Transformation: Change the Marketplace and You Change the World.

Uganda may well be on its way to be the first nation ever (at least in modern times) where Christians actually hold sway in all public arenas and without being a theocracy.

I am unfortunately not normally a personally demonstrative person but I found myself speaking in tongues several times while reading that book, it amazing what God has wrought in so many places just in the last couple years.

I do not subscribe to the Kingdom Now doctrine, but I have come to understand we are to do more than sit back, try to attract new people to our churches and hope for the best.

We should strive to be influential in every arena of influence. We are not responsible for the results God is, but we are responsible to try.

As God's body we have a mandate to address inequities in society and offer succor without succumbing to a social gospel. We have an mandate to evangelize and live holy without succumbing to isolation and ignoring the physical needs of our neighbor.

Brother Griffin, this brought tears to my eyes and made me want to shout at the same time. I even got goose bumps. The CHURCH is out there, not inside 4 walls.

Cindy
05-21-2008, 06:21 PM
Brother Griffin, this brought tears to my eyes and made me want to shout at the same time. I even got goose bumps. The CHURCH is out there, not inside 4 walls.

I am not saying we shouldn't go to church or our local assembly. We should and still go out there into the world and PROCLAIM the GOSPEL. If we live it, we can influence so many more than if we sit somewhere waiting for a preacher or a missionary to do it. We are all called to be participants.

Raven
05-21-2008, 08:38 PM
JG
I admire your vision and selflessness. There's no greater cause than capturing the hearts of our children with the love of God. We will be praying for you in the days to come and that doors will be opened. Belly of the beast indeed and without a doubt the frontline in the battle of light and darkness. You are to be admired my friend.
Raven

Mrs. LPW
05-21-2008, 08:51 PM
I wish you all the best with this James!

Cindy
05-21-2008, 08:53 PM
JG
I admire your vision and selflessness. There's no greater cause than capturing the hearts of our children with the love of God. We will be praying for you in the days to come and that doors will be opened. Belly of the beast indeed and without a doubt the frontline in the battle of light and darkness. You are to be admired my friend.
Raven

Amen!

Blubayou
05-21-2008, 08:54 PM
Just read this thread- Br.Griffin- as a former elementary teacher and principal- 30 years- you are about to embark on the most frustrating and rewarding challenge of your career. I loved teaching -still do- and would go back to it in a minute if my circumstances changed. Teaching is a very powerful profession. It is also very exciting- never a dull moment- and sometimes you wish for some. Be ready for a very physically demanding job- many people do not realize it is one and lots of paper work. But being a lawyer you are used to that. While I taught, I prayed for my students daily. If you need anything, please email me- I would love to help you on your way. Buckle up you are in for a wild ride!!!!!!!! Praying for you. Are you applying through Teach for America?

Hoovie
05-21-2008, 09:48 PM
JG, The resolution... that is interesting. I was not aware you were UPC (or perhaps you are not?)

While I choose not to put my own children in the "belly" :) I am thankful you are willing to go. May God direct you.

It was the convergence of hundreds of thousands of "Pentecostals" at the Azusa Street Centennial Celebration that spurred my wife to come back home and tell me, "I believe God is calling us to something new".

She showed me a little bag of dirt and said, “I brought this home to remind us that the promise of the Holy Spirit is for this generation, and our God wants us to declare it boldly.”

Eight months later (the bag of dirt was still hanging in the kitchen) when the call came from RDF (the company that produces Wife Swap for ABC), my wife immediately mentioned the Azusa Street promise, and her feelings that God would do something with new boldness. You can read more here http://www.ninetyandnine.com/Archives/20070723/cover.htm

If God has placed the thought in you to enter the "Belly of the Beast" there is no telling how he may use you! Bless you!

Rhoni
05-22-2008, 04:45 AM
Cindy, you are preceptive.

The attitudes behind Res 4 fallout was ONE of the catalysts which caused me to seriously question the role of the body of Christ while still here on earth. Even more narrowly the attitudes of the Apostolic church; separation from the world should not equate to isolation.

As stated Christ intended us to disciple the nations.

A great read for anyone interested would be Ed Silvoso - Transformation: Change the Marketplace and You Change the World.

Uganda may well be on its way to be the first nation ever (at least in modern times) where Christians actually hold sway in all public arenas and without being a theocracy.

I am unfortunately not normally a personally demonstrative person but I found myself speaking in tongues several times while reading that book, it is amazing what God has wrought in so many places just in the last couple years.

I do not subscribe to the Kingdom Now doctrine, but I have come to understand we are to do more than sit back, try to attract new people to our churches and hope for the best.

We should strive to be influential in every arena of influence. We are not responsible for the results God is, but we are responsible to try.

As God's body we have a mandate to address inequities in society and offer succor without succumbing to a social gospel. We have an mandate to evangelize and live holy without succumbing to isolation and ignoring the physical needs of our neighbor.

Jim, This is one reason I so admire Sis. Thetus Tenney. Despite the UPCI have 'issues' with her political involvement and the influence that she had in her world...she continued on. There is no where in the Bible God tells us to isolate ourselves and only mix with others of our faith and circumstance. Actually, christ modelled what he told us to do...go out into the highways and byways and COMPEL them to come in.

He said that if those invited to the wedding feast won't come to go to the streets and compel anyone who will...to come. The scriptures tell us to care for the widows and the orphans. The Bible tells us to love our neighbor as we love ourselves.

Teaching is the most infuential position any of us can have. What we impart into the life of a child is of eternal consequence. It is imperative that we train them up right; to honor God, parents, and the elderly. To forgive, love, and treat others as you want to be treated ...not the world's way of holding grudges, making others pay for perceived injustices, and separating yourself from all those who disagree with you.


This is a good thread...tells us where your heart is and helps us search to know where ours is also.

Blessings, Rhoni

Ferd
05-22-2008, 07:40 AM
Im still not getting it.

JG, without AFF, would you even really know what was going in in the UPCI? seems like the most tenuous reason to offer for what you are doing....


which by the way, i support whole heartedly. I think it is just wonderful.

I just dont get the decision making process you have offered. Its kind of like a US. politician changing political parties because of what some protest in france. makes no sense to me.

oh well.

SDG
05-22-2008, 07:45 AM
Im still not getting it.

JG, without AFF, would you even really know what was going in in the UPCI? seems like the most tenuous reason to offer for what you are doing....


which by the way, i support whole heartedly. I think it is just wonderful.

I just dont get the decision making process you have offered. Its kind of like a US. politician changing political parties because of what some protest in france. makes no sense to me.

oh well.


Point of reference:

I don't think you know the role Jim's family has in a prominent UPCI church in his home state for decades .... his roots in the org run very deep ... the AFF is not what has kept Jim "in the loop", Ferd

SDG
05-22-2008, 07:51 AM
Again the resolution was given as support or an example of a ever-growing attitude that he feels is affecting the church in general...

SDG
05-22-2008, 07:53 AM
I'm sure many other factors have played in Jim's decision ... but rest assured one does not enter the teaching profession unless your motives for the most part are altruistic ... either that ... or you are a sucker for mental anguish.

TRFrance
05-22-2008, 08:43 AM
Hey now, I'm considering highschool special ed. lol Or highschool math. I actually am not sure which of those holds the greater challenges.
I'd guess Special Ed.
I think thats the kind of thing you really have to have a heart for, because from what I've been made to understand, it can be very taxing dealing with special needs students.

That is the truth!
Just curious, Rhoni.
Are you a preterist.

nahkoe
05-22-2008, 09:02 AM
I'd guess Special Ed.
I think thats the kind of thing you really have to have a heart for, because from what I've been made to understand, it can be very taking dealing with special needs students.


I have 4 special needs kids. There are no words to describe what it's like dealing with them and working with them and helping them and how absolutely exhausting it can be.

Gonna finish my thought here.

Because I have 4 special needs kids, I'm conflicted about pursuing special education as a career. I know I'd be good at it, I know I'd enjoy it, I know I'd benefit from the things I'd learn and be even more able to help my children.

But, I also know how demanding it is to parent, and while my children are so young I don't know if I could put myself into such a demanding career and still meet their needs.

As for math, it truly is just as much of a conflict for me. I know I'm good at it, I already tutor math. I know I absolutely love it. I feel quite capable of translating the tricks I use for tutoring into a classroom setting. What I don't know is if I could really handle watching kids give up. I know they do, math leaves a lot of people completely leveled. I know I become emotionally invested in my students now, I can't imagine that would change in a classroom setting. I do know that making a difference for a few students would be very rewarding. I didn't pursue a college education when I was younger because of math. It'd sure have been a lot easier w/o kids. Not to mention it would have completely changed the course of my life, for the better.

I'm also unsure if I'm really willing to deal with teaching in a public school system. I definitely respect those who can, I just don't know if I can. I know it's not the only place to teach, but it's a real possibility that I'd end up teaching there for at least some of my career.

Just some of the bits and pieces I'm weighing while I make this decision.

James Griffin
05-22-2008, 09:06 AM
Im still not getting it.

JG, without AFF, would you even really know what was going in in the UPCI?

LOL

My family is 5th generation Oneness, Fourth generation UPCI.

My immediate family attended the church in Apopka Fl long before either CP Williams or Mike Williams, the current pastor for 30 odd years, (amazing how time flies). The rest of my family still attends this church. The fellowship hall there is named after my father.

I attended JCM, the first year it was JCM. I was licensed with the Louisiana district until age 25.

More recently I attended a UPCI church while I was a prosecutor in Victoria, when I moved back to Houston I attended Church of Champions whose pastor was UPCI until 2006.

The vast majority of my closest male friends are preachers which are pretty much split between current and ex-UPCI. The few others are very wonderful “laymen” who have UPCI background. (Sadly, I have obviously been guilty of the isolationist mentality which I now decry and abhor.)

The pastor of the church where I have been attending the past month or so was a UPCI evangelist until 10 years ago.

I’m in communication either directly or through close acquaintances with current and former District Superintendents, Evangelists and Pastors, and lay people across the country (admittedly mostly the south lol).

So I think it would be fair to say even though I have not been licensed with the organization for 25 years or so, it is still very much in my heart and part of my psyche.

The past couple years I have had the privilege of face to face meetings with Bishop Smith of the AWCF, the largest Oneness organization on earth, and men who lead much smaller ones. And as much as I respect and admire them and their work I would have to say the UPCI is still the grand dame of the Oneness movement as far as the US of A is concerned.

And as such what goes on there is often reflective of what is happening in the Apostolic movement as a whole.

All of which to say, (for the third time) the ATTITUDES made manifest by Res 4 were ONE catalyst which caused a personal re-examination of the concept of the Apostolic Movement’s interaction with the societal culture which surrounds it.

Ferd
05-22-2008, 09:11 AM
LOL

My family is 5th generation Oneness, Fourth generation UPCI.

My immediate family attended the church in Apopka Fl long before either CP Williams or Mike Williams, the current pastor for 30 odd years, (amazing how time flies). The rest of my family still attends this church. The fellowship hall there is named after my father.

I attended JCM, the first year it was JCM. I was licensed with the Louisiana district until age 25.

More recently I attended a UPCI church while I was a prosecutor in Victoria, when I moved back to Houston I attended Church of Champions whose pastor was UPCI until 2006.

The vast majority of my closest male friends are preachers which are pretty much split between current and ex-UPCI. The few others are very wonderful “laymen” who have UPCI background. (Sadly, I have obviously been guilty of the isolationist mentality which I now decry and abhor.)

The pastor of the church where I have been attending the past month or so was a UPCI evangelist until 10 years ago.

I’m in communication either directly or through close acquaintances with current and former District Superintendents, Evangelists and Pastors, and lay people across the country (admittedly mostly the south lol).

So I think it would be fair to say even though I have not been licensed with the organization for 25 years or so, it is still very much in my heart and part of my psyche.

The past couple years I have had the privilege of face to face meetings with Bishop Smith of the AWCF, the largest Oneness organization on earth, and men who lead much smaller ones. And as much as I respect and admire them and their work I would have to say the UPCI is still the grand dame of the Oneness movement as far as the US of A is concerned.

And as such what goes on there is often reflective of what is happening in the Apostolic movement as a whole.

All of which to say, (for the third time) the ATTITUDES made manifest by Res 4 were ONE catalyst which caused a personal re-examination of the concept of the Apostolic Movement’s interaction with the societal culture which surrounds it.

LOL! you sound like Paul reflecting on his pedigree... you are in good company.

i applaude your decision and what ever the motivation, it is the Lords work!

I still think it is a bit odd that Res 4 which draws the UPCI more into (as opposed to seperating from) connection with the world, is an odd motivation...

but none the less, bully for you and Gods speed!

Rhoni
05-22-2008, 09:19 AM
I'd guess Special Ed.
I think thats the kind of thing you really have to have a heart for, because from what I've been made to understand, it can be very taking dealing with special needs students.


Just curious, Rhoni.
Are you a preterist. NO.

Rico
05-22-2008, 10:05 AM
I have 4 special needs kids. There are no words to describe what it's like dealing with them and working with them and helping them and how absolutely exhausting it can be.

Gonna finish my thought here.

Because I have 4 special needs kids, I'm conflicted about pursuing special education as a career. I know I'd be good at it, I know I'd enjoy it, I know I'd benefit from the things I'd learn and be even more able to help my children.

But, I also know how demanding it is to parent, and while my children are so young I don't know if I could put myself into such a demanding career and still meet their needs.

As for math, it truly is just as much of a conflict for me. I know I'm good at it, I already tutor math. I know I absolutely love it. I feel quite capable of translating the tricks I use for tutoring into a classroom setting. What I don't know is if I could really handle watching kids give up. I know they do, math leaves a lot of people completely leveled. I know I become emotionally invested in my students now, I can't imagine that would change in a classroom setting. I do know that making a difference for a few students would be very rewarding. I didn't pursue a college education when I was younger because of math. It'd sure have been a lot easier w/o kids. Not to mention it would have completely changed the course of my life, for the better.

I'm also unsure if I'm really willing to deal with teaching in a public school system. I definitely respect those who can, I just don't know if I can. I know it's not the only place to teach, but it's a real possibility that I'd end up teaching there for at least some of my career.

Just some of the bits and pieces I'm weighing while I make this decision.

My mother is a teacher and has been one in a very tough city, Gary, IN. I've asked her how she manages to handle the students and she says when they are young, no older than 8 or 9, they are much easier to control. The bad stuff hasn't gotten a grip on them yet.

As for whether or not to teach special ed., I would think it would put too much pressure on you, given your circumstances with special needs children at home. There are times my mother would come home completely exhausted from dealing with children all day. For you to have to deal with special needs children at work, and then at home as well, may be more than anyone could handle.

James Griffin
05-22-2008, 10:14 AM
Nahkoe,

There is no wrong choice here. Both have special challenges and both have special rewards.

Both are so much in demand by school districts that many in Texas offer special stipends for going into them.

In your case I would lean toward Rico's response. Largely for the reasons he gave.

I admire your courage and the steps you are taking, in all areas of your life.

Cindy
05-22-2008, 10:15 AM
Nahkoe,

There is no wrong choice here. Both have special challenges and both have special rewards.

Both are so much in demand by school districts that many in Texas offer special stipends for going into them.

In your case I would lean toward Rico's response. Largely for the reasons he gave.

I admire your courage and the steps you are taking, in all areas of your life.

I totally agree. You go sister girl.

TRFrance
05-22-2008, 10:18 AM
NO.
ok.
I was just curious... because you had agreed emphatically with Digging4Truth's previous post, and he seemed to be a preterist, judging from what he said in his post.

nahkoe
05-22-2008, 10:29 AM
My mother is a teacher and has been one in a very tough city, Gary, IN. I've asked her how she manages to handle the students and she says when they are young, no older than 8 or 9, they are much easier to control. The bad stuff hasn't gotten a grip on them yet.

As for whether or not to teach special ed., I would think it would put too much pressure on you, given your circumstances with special needs children at home. There are times my mother would come home completely exhausted from dealing with children all day. For you to have to deal with special needs children at work, and then at home as well, may be more than anyone could handle.

I am definitely not cut out to teach a classroom full of younger kids. I've homeschooled and to be honest it was difficult for me (I did enjoy it, I would again if I had the opportunity), but even parenting younger kids is not really my thing. I'll do it for my kids, but someone else can deal with the classroom full of littles. lol I much prefer the highschool age, college age interactions and I find it a lot easier to get ideas and thoughts across to that age as well.

As for the fact that kids are stuck in highschool, for a long time that had me leaning towards teaching college. I wanna be able to point to the door and tell a student to get out if they're not interested in being there. One of those things I'm weighing.

It may be too much. It's why I'm weighing it. I'm also a pretty intense introvert. Anything dealing with people leaves me pretty burned out by the end of the day. As for being exhausted, I just finished up almost 2 months of working 7 days a week plus class. I know what this has done to me and my children. It's definitely a consideration. I need to have energy left for them.

Rico
05-22-2008, 10:33 AM
I am definitely not cut out to teach a classroom full of younger kids. I've homeschooled and to be honest it was difficult for me (I did enjoy it, I would again if I had the opportunity), but even parenting younger kids is not really my thing. I'll do it for my kids, but someone else can deal with the classroom full of littles. lol I much prefer the highschool age, college age interactions and I find it a lot easier to get ideas and thoughts across to that age as well.

As for the fact that kids are stuck in highschool, for a long time that had me leaning towards teaching college. I wanna be able to point to the door and tell a student to get out if they're not interested in being there. One of those things I'm weighing.

It may be too much. It's why I'm weighing it. I'm also a pretty intense introvert. Anything dealing with people leaves me pretty burned out by the end of the day. As for being exhausted, I just finished up almost 2 months of working 7 days a week plus class. I know what this has done to me and my children. It's definitely a consideration. I need to have energy left for them.

If college age instruction is an area you are interested in, you could check out the University of Phoenix. They are always looking for professors for their online campus'. I don't know if someone could make a full time living out of working for them, though.

nahkoe
05-22-2008, 10:36 AM
Nahkoe,

There is no wrong choice here. Both have special challenges and both have special rewards.

Both are so much in demand by school districts that many in Texas offer special stipends for going into them.

In your case I would lean toward Rico's response. Largely for the reasons he gave.

I admire your courage and the steps you are taking, in all areas of your life.

Thanks.

I do know that education, especially in Texas, is a pretty decent financial decision. The idea of most of my loans (maybe all) vanishing kind of appeals to me. In a big way. Cuz, they're big loans and only going to get bigger. lol

I do know there's some serious job security and flexibility (I could move anywhere) with math. Good math teachers are in demand everywhere.

Griff, really, thanks.

nahkoe
05-22-2008, 10:39 AM
If college age instruction is an area you are interested in, you could check out the University of Phoenix. They are always looking for professors for their online campus'. I don't know if someone could make a full time living out of working for them, though.

I should probably pick a degree and earn it first. lol

Rico
05-22-2008, 10:47 AM
I should probably pick a degree and earn it first. lol

Hehehehe! True! :D

James Griffin
08-13-2008, 04:15 PM
BUMP for an update

Today was my first day as a full time teacher. :-)

Second grade at a charter school near Galveston.

Pro31:28
08-13-2008, 04:15 PM
BUMP for an update

Today was my first day as a full time teacher. :-)

Second grade at a charter school near Galveston.

What a great age!

dizzyde
08-13-2008, 04:22 PM
BUMP for an update

Today was my first day as a full time teacher. :-)

Second grade at a charter school near Galveston.

:highfive :yourock :cheer :cheer

:scoregood

You survived?!! YAY!!

James Griffin
08-13-2008, 04:24 PM
:highfive :yourock :cheer :cheer

:scoregood

You survived?!! YAY!!

Don't know about all that.

The principal said something about putting me in a class with my peers....


:ursofunny

rgcraig
08-13-2008, 04:26 PM
James!

That's great!!

I bet the when the kids first saw you they thought their teacher was Santa Claus!!!!

dizzyde
08-13-2008, 04:30 PM
Don't know about all that.

The principal said something about putting me in a class with my peers....


:ursofunny

:ursofunny :ursofunny

James Griffin
08-13-2008, 04:32 PM
James!

That's great!!

I bet the when the kids first saw you they thought their teacher was Santa Claus!!!!

No kids for a week, in house training, and getting the room ready.

Actually looking forward to the first day of school though.

Maybe if they misbehave I can whisper something about coal for Christmas? LOL

mizpeh
08-13-2008, 04:34 PM
What's a charter school?

James Griffin
08-13-2008, 04:41 PM
What's a charter school?

Somewhat of a blending between public and private.

Approximately 80% of our kids are considered "at risk"

However, unlike a private Christian school for example there is no tuition to the parents, it is governmentally funded.

Guess analogy would be a like privatized public school.

Many of the leaders behind this charter are Apostolic, of course since it is a public school there are limitations on conduct of teachers.

On the other hand there are certain liberties not offered to most public schools.

Hope that answer helps? If not I'll PM.. :-)

mizpeh
08-13-2008, 04:44 PM
Somewhat of a blending between public and private.

Approximately 80% of our kids are considered "at risk"

However, unlike a private Christian school for example there is no tuition to the parents, it is governmentally funded.

Guess analogy would be a like privatized public school.

Many of the leaders behind this charter are Apostolic, of course since it is a public school there are limitations on conduct of teachers.

On the other hand there are certain liberties not offered to most public schools.

Hope that answer helps? If not I'll PM.. :-)Can you pray and teach creation in the classroom? Can you talk about God freely?

Jermyn Davidson
08-13-2008, 07:44 PM
Just so you know, going to elementary school two mins from the DC border put me in a tough environment, with tough students.

My teachers were tougher!

God bless you Sir! You can make a difference-- with Christ, you WILL make a difference!

MrsMcD
08-14-2008, 06:10 AM
BUMP for an update

Today was my first day as a full time teacher. :-)

Second grade at a charter school near Galveston.

Awesome! I'm happy for you. I know you will be able to accomplish what you desire to accomplish.