Did These Gals Preach ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.ACTS.21:9 NKJV
Here in this verse we see Philip the evangelist had four daughters who prophesied.
Many people teach that these gals were women preachers ,but does the word prophesied in ACTS.21:9 actually mean preach ?
Could not prophesied mean that these gals were operating in a gift of the spirit and not as lady talkers ?

[Steve Epley]

Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.ACTS.21:9 NKJV
Here in this verse we see Philip the evangelist had four daughters who prophesied.
Many people teach that these gals were women preachers ,but does the word prophesied in ACTS.21:9 actually mean preach ?
Could not prophesied mean that these gals were operating in a gift of the spirit and not as lady talkers ?

NOPE!:happydance:happydance

[Sam]

Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.ACTS.21:9 NKJV
Here in this verse we see Philip the evangelist had four daughters who prophesied.
Many people teach that these gals were women preachers ,but does the word prophesied in ACTS.21:9 actually mean preach ?
Could not prophesied mean that these gals were operating in a gift of the spirit and not as lady talkers ?

The Bible says that they prophesied. It does not say that they preached. We assume that some of their prophetic words could have been delivered in a public assembly with both men and women present but the Bible does not say.

[Scott Hutchinson]

People do use this text to prove women preachers.Not that God can't use women to deliever the gospel,but this text doesn't seem to prove women preachers.
However it does prove the fact that Peter was correct in what he said in ACTS.2:17 through 21.

[bkstokes]

Interesting that the verses of scripture that talks where Paul states this "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Woman is more aptly translated from the Greek wife and man is more aptly translated husband.

I normally hear people talking about the fact that Deborah being a judge justifies women preachers (she was a judge over all the people of Isreal). It is obvious that the judge in those days established moral form for the Jews.

[Sister Alvear]

I have staked my whole eternity on the fact that He called me...

[Sister Alvear]

Did those girls preach? I do not know I did not live back then...

[Scott Hutchinson]

Sister A your calling is not in question here but I have heard people say things that perhaps ACTS.21:9 did not say.
I know I have been guilty of reading too much into the scriptures before.

[Sister Alvear]

I understand Brother Scott...I do not know if we can prove that either way. However they were real girls and did something with their voice to edify the church...

[Sister Alvear]

Prophecy according to 1 Corinthians 12, 14, is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit through which God gives a message directed to the body of the believers present in the meeting and with purpose their edification, exhortation and comfort. As 1 Corinthians 14:3-4 says:



1 Corinthians 14:3-4
"But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and comfort. …… he who prophesies edifies the church.”

[Scott Hutchinson]

Actually the word prophesy in the Greek has several different meanings,depending on it's context.Inspired preaching is a form of prophesy.There is foretelling as well as forthtelling.

[Sister Alvear]

1 Corinthians 14:5
"Now I want you ALL to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy;" (ESV)

[Hoovie]

I understand Brother Scott...I do not know if we can prove that either way. However they were real girls and did something with their voice to edify the church...

And there is the crux of the matter folks.

[Scott Hutchinson]

And there is the crux of the matter folks.

I agree.

[Sister Alvear]

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I brought you out of Egypt and freed you from slavery. I sent Moses, Aaron, and Miriam to lead you.

[Sister Alvear]

I do not believe in a woman ruling over a man yet that does not mean she cannot have a message from the Lord...

[Sister Alvear]

If you will go back into history you will find it was Rome that took the women out of ministy, just like she changed baptism and many other things...
It is the going thing not to believe in women preachers however Pentecost owes a great debt to women...

[Grasshopper]

If women are not permitted to speak or preach in the church...obviously speaking under prophetic gifting would be out of order. If these young ladies were permitted to prophesy, it's obvious ladies were permitted to speak in the church.

[Grasshopper]

Here Paul is admonishing Timothy that women should not strive be the spiritual heads of the home by usurping authority over their husbands:

" 9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve." - I Timothy 2:9-13

Paul also admonished that women not interrupt church gatherings with questions, but rather they should wait and ask their husbands to explain the matter better at home, because it is a shame when women interrupt the gathering with questions or disputations.

"33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." - I Corinthians 14:33-35

Regarding Holy Ghost ministry in the New Testament Church,

"14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" - Acts 2:14-18

It's obvious to me that Paul isn't condemning female preachers or prophets. Paul is addressing the order of the home and propriety in church services. However, the office of bishop is restricted to men:

"1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. " - I Timothy 3:1-7

[Michael The Disciple]

If women are not permitted to speak or preach in the church...obviously speaking under prophetic gifting would be out of order. If these young ladies were permitted to prophesy, it's obvious ladies were permitted to speak in the church.

You start with a wrong premise. They ARE allowed to pray and prophesy in the meeting IF they cover their heads.

What the Lords word seems to teach is that he does not call Women to be the LEADERS of the Church. They may go out and PREACH the gospel all they want and be blessed.

[Sister Alvear]

One thing we know for certain prophecy is God's direct word through a human channel..preaching mixes God's word with man's word...a speech using scriptures...Prophecy is Thus saith the LORD...
Sounds powerful to me! I had rather have Thus saith the Lord than a lot of fancy sermons I hear...

[Sister Alvear]

Visit a few campmeetings...see how much "THUS saith the Lord" you hear...If you visit the same groups you hear the same speakers and most of the time the same sermon that somone knows just how to raise and lower their voices...someone knows how to cheer lead the crowd...but few really know what, THUS saith the LORD...

[Sister Alvear]

We read in the Revelation that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. You will find that true prophetic utterance always exalts the Lamb of God and not a show of man's abilities.

[Grasshopper]

You start with a wrong premise. They ARE allowed to pray and prophesy in the meeting IF they cover their heads.

A woman's head covering was indicative of her submission to her husband,

"5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head (ie her husband, Ephesians 5:23): for that is even all one as if she were shaven (as a harlot).
6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels." - I Corinthians 11:5-10

Headcovering was a sign of submission to another headship, that of the husband. That ties directly into my first reference to I Timothy 2:9-13.

What the Lords word seems to teach is that he does not call Women to be the LEADERS of the Church. They may go out and PREACH the gospel all they want and be blessed.

Amen.

[Sister Alvear]

A godly woman would never want to rule over a man...(just my opinion)

[Grasshopper]

In all humility and respect I submit this thought, I give greater weight to biblical preaching and teaching straight from Scripture than prophetic utterances. Prophetic utterances must always be checked against the book anyway, they don't stand on their own merits. I've witnessed too many utterances that were not from God. So I place a higher premium on preaching that comes straight from the Word of God. If it's in the book, one can say, "Thus saith the LORD" and they KNOW the LORD said it. And woe unto him that resists the words of the LORD.

But that's just me. I know others who feel differently.

[Sam]

In all humility and respect I submit this thought, I give greater weight to biblical preaching and teaching straight from Scripture than prophetic utterances. Prophetic utterances must always be checked against the book anyway, they don't stand on their own merits. I've witnessed too many utterances that were not from God. So I place a higher premium on preaching that comes straight from the Word of God. If it's in the book, one can say, "Thus saith the LORD" and they KNOW the LORD said it. And woe unto him that resists the words of the LORD.

But that's just me. I know others who feel differently.

I'm not arguing with you.
Prophetic words need to be checked against the written Word
but so does all teaching, all preaching, and all testimony.

Prophecy is just a person saying something they believe God wants them to say. But so is preaching and teaching.

[bkstokes]

I'm not arguing with you.
Prophetic words need to be checked against the written Word
but so does all teaching, all preaching, and all testimony.

Prophecy is just a person saying something they believe God wants them to say. But so is preaching and teaching.

Sam

I have heard many elders teach that the prophets of the NT are different than the prophets of the OT. The OT prophets could be stoned if they missed it. The NT prophets don't have to worry about this.

And I am sure that there are many who are glad of that fact because sometimes we miss it. But that is the only way we really learn how to do it.

[Grasshopper]

What the Lords word seems to teach is that he does not call Women to be the LEADERS of the Church. They may go out and PREACH the gospel all they want and be blessed.

I'd like to modify a previous answer I gave. To the above statement I said, Amen. But after reviewing the Scriptures I think women can function as prophetesses, deacons, and teachers. It looks like Prisca was Aquila's partner in evangelizing. All of these are significant roles in leadership. The only role I see distinctly restricted to men is that o fa Bishop or Pastor.

[Joelel]

I'd like to modify a previous answer I gave. To the above statement I said, Amen. But after reviewing the Scriptures I think women can function as prophetesses, deacons, and teachers. It looks like Prisca was Aquila's partner in evangelizing. All of these are significant roles in leadership. The only role I see distinctly restricted to men is that o fa Bishop or Pastor.

It says they took him unto them but it don't necessarily mean she expounded.[26] And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.Women can't teach men or have athority over men. Under the old testement law women never held an office of head athority. Under the new testement Jesus never chose a woman to be an apostle or any head ministry.Women can prophecy but can't have any office of athority.

1 Tim.2:[12] But I suffer (allow)not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

Women can teach,preach,prophecy to other women.Titus2:[3] The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;[4] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children

If a man,not a woman desires the office of bishop,a bishop MUST be able to teach and a woman can't teach a man.1 Tim.3:[1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

A WOMAN CAN"T RULE THE HOUSE [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

A woman can prophecy(Foretell,).Acts2:[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:[18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

A woman can prophecy(fortell) in assemblies as long as she stays under the athority of the men).1 Cor.14:[29] Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.[30] If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.[31] For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.[32] And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

A woman must be veiled with a veil when praying or prophesying as a sign she is under athority of the men.A woman has two veils,one her long hair and the other a veil when she prays and prophesieth.1 Cor.11:[3] But I would have you know, that the head (athority)of every man is Christ; and the head (athority)of the woman is the man; and the head (athority)of Christ is God.


[4] Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered(veiled), dishonoureth his head(athority,Christ).[5] But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered(unveiled) dishonoureth her head(athority,man): for that is even all one as if she were shaven.[6] For if the woman be not covered(veiled), let her also be shorn(cut her hair): but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn(cut her hair) or shaven, let her be covered(veiled).


[7] For a man indeed ought not to cover (veil)his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.[8] For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.[9] Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.[10] For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.[11] Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.


[12] For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of god.[13] Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered(unveiled)?[14] Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?[15] But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering(veiling).[16] But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

A woman can't talk and ask questions in the assemblies.1 Cor.14:[35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (Ask questions,talk)in the church(assemblies).[36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord

[George]

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I brought you out of Egypt and freed you from slavery. I sent Moses, Aaron, and Miriam to lead you.


Sounds like pastoring to me.

[George]

Visit a few campmeetings...see how much "THUS saith the Lord" you hear...If you visit the same groups you hear the same speakers and most of the time the same sermon that somone knows just how to raise and lower their voices...someone knows how to cheer lead the crowd...but few really know what, THUS saith the LORD...

Sis, I think you done went to preachin'. I'm shoutin' "AMEN!"

[Sister Alvear]

When I said Thus saith the Lord...I did not mean just sit in a room and wait for someone to say, thus saith the Lord but I meant I really want to hear from Him...fresh manna from a table HE has prepared...not a repeat of some classic sermon because it went over good somewhere...I really want to hear from the Lord.

[TRFrance]

I have staked my whole eternity on the fact that He called me...

Sis Alvear, question for you....

As a woman preacher, how do you respond to those who use this scripture verse to say that God does not call women preachers ?: "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"

(Pardon me if the question has been asked before of you on this forum.)

[Sister Alvear]

Sis Alvear, question for you....

As a woman preacher, how do you respond to those who use this scripture verse to say that God does not call women preachers ?: "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence"

(Pardon me if the question has been asked before of you on this forum.)

I have never claimed to be a preacher in the terms Americans use the word preacher. God never told me, go preach. He told me He had called me to be a missionary to Brazil. I have never been ordained or anything like that.

However that scripture was taking about homelife in my opinion.

I am not for forward, brazen women prancing across pulpits trying to act like a man. I believe in headship however I do believe God uses women...the greatest way a woman can be used is having a meek and quite spirit.

Gifts make room for themselves. I personally have never had any problem even with men that are hard against women.

[Sister Alvear]

I have walked into whole pagan villages and won men and women to the Lord. However telling them the story of Jesus changed many lives and I do not feel I was out of my place...Maybe some man SHOULD have went but he did not.

Today, I am a married woman and my husband does all the "man" stuff along with our sons that are preachers...