YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!

[StMark]

http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/4055/



Check this out!

[Hoovie]

:helicopter

[StMark]

:helicopter


I'm not surprised one bit by this response.

I talked to a upc minister once who saw nothing wrong with taking the chip. He said it had no relation to the mark of the beast.

many will be deceived!

[SDG]

I'm not surprised one bit by this response.

I talked to a upc minister once who saw nothing wrong with taking the chip. He said it had no relation to the mark of the beast.

many will be deceived!

Yeah, Mark.

[OnTheFritz]

I'm not surprised one bit by this response.

I talked to a upc minister once who saw nothing wrong with taking the chip. He said it had no relation to the mark of the beast.

many will be deceived!

Unless you are clearly making a decision to denounce God and pledge allegiance to the anti-Christ, I think he's right. Don't think it's going to sneak up on us.

Otherwise, my dogs currently have the Mark of the Beast. Seems far-"fetched" (pun intended). :bliss

[Rico]

All I gotta say is :killinme

[Sam]

Bro. Baxter has been making reference to the chip and the Federal ID card. I get his online magazine and emails.

[Aquila]

This chip is a threat to freedom. But I'm cautious in calling it the "mark of the beast". The Bible doesn't reference a microchip. Here's the text:

Revelation 13:16-18
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Three things are warned against: the mark, the name, and the number of the name.

Let's just focus on the "mark". The word "mark" in the Greek means:

5480 // caragma // charagma // khar'-ag-mah //

from the same as 5482 ; TDNT - 9:416,1308; n n

AV - mark 8, graven 1; 9

1) a stamp, an imprinted mark
1a) of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the
badge of the followers of the Antichrist
1b) the mark branded upon horses
2) thing carved, sculpture, graven work
2a) of idolatrous images

The "mark" has to do with a branding or etching burned or stamped permanently upon the skin of the right hand or the forehead. This is a microchip inserted under the skin of the arm. Tell me...how does this meet the description of the biblical "mark"?

Also consider this, John told his readers,

Revelation 13:18
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Who would his original readers have understood him as warning them about?

This microchip may not be "the mark" of "the beast" in Scripture. But no doubt it is a danger to liberty and privacy. I see as "a mark" of the world system we are currently dealing with. But "the mark"? I'm not so sure. I think we loose creditability when we sound the alarm over and over and over about things that don't prove to be what we warn that they are. We need to warn people about the very real dangers this poses to our liberties without saying it's the mark. When we have something etched or burned onto the skin of the right hand or forehead that represents the name or contains the number of the name of a maniacal madman....sound the alarm.

[AmazingGrace]

Well I have a big black chopper one for ya Mark...

Dallas is implementing for their special ed students...chips... and they are somewhere on their person or wheelchair I am not sure... Trying to find the story again. I had dvrd a show and caught part of this...

Anyways this chip... they can track them anywhere. They also use it to buy their school lunches... if they get stranded they can use it for transportation on the public transit system and other things they are trying to add to it... right now its main function is as GPS system and lunches....

[Rico]

This chip is a threat to freedom. But I'm cautious in calling it the "mark of the beast". The Bible doesn't reference a microchip. Here's the text:

Revelation 13:16-18
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Three things are warned against: the mark, the name, and the number of the name.

Let's just focus on the "mark". The word "mark" in the Greek means:

5480 // caragma // charagma // khar'-ag-mah //

from the same as 5482 ; TDNT - 9:416,1308; n n

AV - mark 8, graven 1; 9

1) a stamp, an imprinted mark
1a) of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the
badge of the followers of the Antichrist
1b) the mark branded upon horses
2) thing carved, sculpture, graven work
2a) of idolatrous images

The "mark" has to do with a branding or etching burned or stamped permanently upon the skin of the right hand or the forehead. This is a microchip inserted under the skin of the arm. Tell me...how does this meet the description of the biblical "mark"?

Also consider this, John told his readers,

Revelation 13:18
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Who would his original readers have understood him as warning them about?

This microchip may not be "the mark" of "the beast" in Scripture. But no doubt it is a danger to liberty and privacy. I see as "a mark" of the world system we are currently dealing with. But "the mark"? I'm not so sure. I think we loose creditability when we sound the alarm over and over and over about things that don't prove to be what we warn that they are. We need to warn people about the very real dangers this poses to our liberties without saying it's the mark. When we have something etched or burned onto the skin of the right hand or forehead that represents the name or contains the number of the name of a maniacal madman....sound the alarm.

If you lived before the time electricity was discovered, how would you describe a computer chip? What would be your point of reference?

[Cindy]

I like Lays Potato Chips.

[RandyWayne]

These are the only "Chips" you need to worry about.....
http://www.herospy.com/wp-content/hero%20spy%202006/Movies/CHiPs.jpg

[Cindy]

These are the only "Chips" you need to worry about.....
http://www.herospy.com/wp-content/hero%20spy%202006/Movies/CHiPs.jpg

Hahaha, Texas State Troopers make those look like little boys playing dress up.

[StMark]

It's shocking to me that people are mocking this. If this came upon us 20 years we would all be freaking out but they have conditioned even the church to accept the one world government and the mark of the beast.


The condition of the church is just astounding to me.


You see, at first they are making this optional. but it wont be long that most will receive it willfully and many saints will go right along with the system and mock those who don't

[Rico]

It's shocking to me that people are mocking this. If this came upon us 20 years we would all be freaking out but they have conditioned even the church to accept the one world government and the mark of the beast.


The condition of the church is just astounding to me.


You see, at first they are making this optional. but it wont be long that most will receive it willfully and many saints will go right along with the system and mock those who don't

I heard the same argument made about ATM cards. "In 20-30 years you won't be able to buy anything without one of these cards. Fraud will be so rampant that the government will be forced to institute the practice of implanting a chip, with your bank information in it, to stop all the fraud." That never materialized either. Every generation thinks theirs will be "the one" when all this end time stuff happens and Jesus comes back.

[RandyWayne]

It's shocking to me that people are mocking this. If this came upon us 20 years we would all be freaking out but they have conditioned even the church to accept the one world government and the mark of the beast.


The condition of the church is just astounding to me.


You see, at first they are making this optional. but it wont be long that most will receive it willfully and many saints will go right along with the system and mock those who don't

People WERE freaking out 20 years ago over this. Every time there was a story about computers, or heaven forbid, a "UPC" symbol on a package. People laid awake at night thinking that "this" may be the night that the rapture takes place. After all, ALL the signs are here.
When the time comes, the power of the computer and internet will no doubt make world wide enforcement of "the mark" possible, but the technology itself is NOT the the mark.

[Praxeas]

This chip is a threat to freedom. But I'm cautious in calling it the "mark of the beast". The Bible doesn't reference a microchip. Here's the text:

Revelation 13:16-18
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Three things are warned against: the mark, the name, and the number of the name.

Let's just focus on the "mark". The word "mark" in the Greek means:

5480 // caragma // charagma // khar'-ag-mah //

from the same as 5482 ; TDNT - 9:416,1308; n n

AV - mark 8, graven 1; 9

1) a stamp, an imprinted mark
1a) of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the
badge of the followers of the Antichrist
1b) the mark branded upon horses
2) thing carved, sculpture, graven work
2a) of idolatrous images

The "mark" has to do with a branding or etching burned or stamped permanently upon the skin of the right hand or the forehead. This is a microchip inserted under the skin of the arm. Tell me...how does this meet the description of the biblical "mark"?

Also consider this, John told his readers,

Revelation 13:18
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Who would his original readers have understood him as warning them about?

This microchip may not be "the mark" of "the beast" in Scripture. But no doubt it is a danger to liberty and privacy. I see as "a mark" of the world system we are currently dealing with. But "the mark"? I'm not so sure. I think we loose creditability when we sound the alarm over and over and over about things that don't prove to be what we warn that they are. We need to warn people about the very real dangers this poses to our liberties without saying it's the mark. When we have something etched or burned onto the skin of the right hand or forehead that represents the name or contains the number of the name of a maniacal madman....sound the alarm.
How is a first century person supposed to know what a chip is? This is a vision. OF course the bible does not mention micro chips. And Revelation is very symbolic. What we know is they will receive some kind of mark. It will be used for buying or selling goods and it will somehow represent the beast

[Praxeas]

It's shocking to me that people are mocking this. If this came upon us 20 years we would all be freaking out but they have conditioned even the church to accept the one world government and the mark of the beast.


The condition of the church is just astounding to me.


You see, at first they are making this optional. but it wont be long that most will receive it willfully and many saints will go right along with the system and mock those who don't
The only problem is is that the antichrist causes all to receive the mark...or else...that is not what is happening now

[Brother Price]

I'm not surprised one bit by this response.

I talked to a upc minister once who saw nothing wrong with taking the chip. He said it had no relation to the mark of the beast.

many will be deceived!

Mark, many have been deceived concerning the end times as spoken by Jesus. We must realize that the revelation of Jesus Christ was a vision, and the things spoken there are symbolic and spiritual. The Mark is not a physical mark/chip, but is symbolic of one surrendering their mind (forehead) and authority (right hand) to the enemy.

The chip will come and go. It was just what people said about Social Security numbers, and the new credit cards with the microchip in them.

My problem with the chip is one of personal security, privacy, and liberty. But, as touching it's relevance to Bible prophecy, it has none.

[bkstokes]

I agree with all of you that it is far fetched to think that this chip 20 centuries later has something to do with Revelations. However, I would never allow them to put anything in my right hand of forehead (just to be on the safe side).

[HeavenlyOne]

I won't get the chip because I think it's an invasion of privacy. I don't care to be tracked.

[Rico]

I agree with all of you that it is far fetched to think that this chip 20 centuries later has something to do with Revelations. However, I would never allow them to put anything in my right hand of forehead (just to be on the safe side).

How about your left hand or your cheek? :D

[Hoovie]

Mark, many have been deceived concerning the end times as spoken by Jesus. We must realize that the revelation of Jesus Christ was a vision, and the things spoken there are symbolic and spiritual. The Mark is not a physical mark/chip, but is symbolic of one surrendering their mind (forehead) and authority (right hand) to the enemy.

The chip will come and go. It was just what people said about Social Security numbers, and the new credit cards with the microchip in them.

My problem with the chip is one of personal security, privacy, and liberty. But, as touching it's relevance to Bible prophecy, it has none.

I agree.

[OnTheFritz]

It DOES sound really convenient..... :reaction

[Praxeas]

It DOES sound really convenient..... :reaction
It sounds INTRUSIVE. These chips have the ability to be tracking devices. IF they have an RF signal anyone with a reader can get your info. It's a foreign object embedded under your skin....Im sure piercers will like that

[Revelationist]

It DOES sound really convenient..... :reaction

I think that it's going to be a great thing... It'll save a lot of lives...

[Jason B]

st mark, you are right on. it is amazing how many "apostolics" are mocking this.
are you all unaware that people are not going to know they are taking the mark of the beast, it is based on deception and flatteries. Now, the technology is not evil, but technology will certainly be used when the mark of the beast is implemented-since the ability to allow or disallow someone from buying or selling.

Two things should be a red flag for ALL christians:
#1)anything that is not optional, but is required concerning buying and selling.

I like using my debit card, I hate carrying case. But it is optional, and I chose to do it. It becomes diferent when it is forced. However, even if forced, such as the eventual National ID, it is not the mark of the beast, as long as the chip is in a card or something external and you can get rid of it if you desire, it is not the mark of the beast (though it is likely a precursor). However, it is quite a different story when it is IN you.

#2)when the government wants to put something IN me.

This is the line for me, I dont care if they want to put it in my foot, I'm not doing it. It is double-red flag (if that is even a phrase) when that same action will give me the ability to be able to buy and sell.

You who wold take a chip do you think the mark of the beast is going to be a huge 666 ?

also what about the fact that people/preachers have been warning that one day we would have to be chipped? No that day is not here, right now it is optional. But what about 10 or 20 years from now? What about 50 years?

Also, why are you guys so hostile against endtime prophecy? I live life and I enjoy it, I have hobbies I like, I get into sports and cars, etc. ive your life, but ignorning prophecy and mocking it isn't going to make it go away. ou're not just mocking people, you are unintentionally mocking the word of God, unless you are a preterist and think that all prophecy was fulfilled 2000 years ago. Now talk about a hoax.

[Brother Price]

OK, let's talk about the hoax, one that is called futurism.

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. {Matthew 23:36}

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. {Matthew 24:34}

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {Revelation 1:7}

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. {Revelation 1:1-2}

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. {Revelation 22:10}

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. {Revelation 22:12}

Now, who shall we believe, futurist lies or the Truth (Jesus Christ) and the followers of that truth? As for me and my house, we shll not serve fear or ignorance, but we shall serve the Lord.

[Brother Price]

I think that it's going to be a great thing... It'll save a lot of lives...
I don't know, Bro. Moon. Seems kinda of like a serious invasion of my privacy.

[Praxeas]

OK, let's talk about the hoax, one that is called futurism.

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. {Matthew 23:36}

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. {Matthew 24:34}

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {Revelation 1:7}

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. {Revelation 1:1-2}

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. {Revelation 22:10}

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. {Revelation 22:12}

Now, who shall we believe, futurist lies or the Truth (Jesus Christ) and the followers of that truth? As for me and my house, we shll not serve fear or ignorance, but we shall serve the Lord.
Wow, can you be anymore intolerant? BTW you verses did not prove a lot other than some events have happened or were to happen soon. What "soon" means is undefined

[Revelationist]

I don't know, Bro. Moon. Seems kinda of like a serious invasion of my privacy.

They won't know any more about you with a chip than they already know about you... you have no privacy now... that won't effect it..

[HeavenlyOne]

They won't know any more about you with a chip than they already know about you... you have no privacy now... that won't effect it..

A chip makes it worse. May not seem like it would, but yes, it would be worse.

[Praxeas]

They won't know any more about you with a chip than they already know about you... you have no privacy now... that won't effect it..
The chip...if the chip stores info on you then anyone with an RF reader knows your information also...

Go anywhere like through air port security and they can know everything about you they should not other wise know.

Part of the problem with the chip is not the chip itself but the DARPA's strong desire to create a central clearing house for all US citizens and have EVERY bit of information there on you including your private medical records...thanks to retired Admiral Poindexter

But more to the point....these chips can be used to track your movements and if they are used to eliminate purchases they can know what you buy and where and when...

Then there is just the whole idea of having an artificial "thing" implanted INTO your body...unlike something that might monitor your heart or keep it going...why have it inserted? I can have a card that does that. I can carry it around on my key ring.

What about long term health effects? Everyone thought Silicon implants were safe then people started dying from toxic shock syndrome.

Sorry but unless it is medically keeping me alive I will refuse any such implants

[StMark]

st mark, you are right on. it is amazing how many "apostolics" are mocking this.
are you all unaware that people are not going to know they are taking the mark of the beast, it is based on deception and flatteries. Now, the technology is not evil, but technology will certainly be used when the mark of the beast is implemented-since the ability to allow or disallow someone from buying or selling.

Two things should be a red flag for ALL christians:
#1)anything that is not optional, but is required concerning buying and selling.

I like using my debit card, I hate carrying case. But it is optional, and I chose to do it. It becomes diferent when it is forced. However, even if forced, such as the eventual National ID, it is not the mark of the beast, as long as the chip is in a card or something external and you can get rid of it if you desire, it is not the mark of the beast (though it is likely a precursor). However, it is quite a different story when it is IN you.

#2)when the government wants to put something IN me.

This is the line for me, I dont care if they want to put it in my foot, I'm not doing it. It is double-red flag (if that is even a phrase) when that same action will give me the ability to be able to buy and sell.

You who wold take a chip do you think the mark of the beast is going to be a huge 666 ?

also what about the fact that people/preachers have been warning that one day we would have to be chipped? No that day is not here, right now it is optional. But what about 10 or 20 years from now? What about 50 years?

Also, why are you guys so hostile against endtime prophecy? I live life and I enjoy it, I have hobbies I like, I get into sports and cars, etc. ive your life, but ignorning prophecy and mocking it isn't going to make it go away. ou're not just mocking people, you are unintentionally mocking the word of God, unless you are a preterist and think that all prophecy was fulfilled 2000 years ago. Now talk about a hoax.

Thanks Jason. I can tell that a lot of church folk are in denial about what is coming upon america. they want to pretend that everything is fine and it's not. This is their way of coping.

[Revelationist]

They said the same thing about the S. S. Number. Today it's hard to find a job without one, and everyone has one. In the 70's they turned to the computer for the beast. There was one in Belgium that took up a whole room and they called it the beast. This was all a out right lie, because this computer never existed, but because it come from the mouths of preachers it had to be so.

Besides, if the computer chip is the mark of the beast, what is the mark of those that living for God?

Rev 22:4
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
KJV

Is this a tatoo? A computer chip also? What is this mark that those that are living for God will take? Can someone explain?

[OnTheFritz]

Thanks Jason. I can tell that a lot of church folk are in denial about what is coming upon america. they want to pretend that everything is fine and it's not. This is their way of coping.

It's not about denial. The reason people joke about it is because of all of the other technologies that people were SURE were the mark of the beast. The problem is this. An RF chip is a tool. Nothing more. Computers are a tool, your debit card is a tool. It's technology. This particular technology has been around a long time. I don't think anyone is mocking prophecy or the concept of the mark. Any tool in the wrong hands becomes dangerous. A crowbar in the hands of a psychopath becomes a deadly weapon. I just think it's goofy that people waste time worrying about the tools themselves. I hate to break it to you, but this country has had the technology to implant data storage devices in our bodies for a long, long time. This is nothing new. I think people that are scared of big government are quick to associate Big Brother with the antichrist. I understand fear of government, etc. but I believe the choice will be clear when the time comes.


Revelation 14:8-10

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

[Rico]

The chip...if the chip stores info on you then anyone with an RF reader knows your information also...

Go anywhere like through air port security and they can know everything about you they should not other wise know.

Part of the problem with the chip is not the chip itself but the DARPA's strong desire to create a central clearing house for all US citizens and have EVERY bit of information there on you including your private medical records...thanks to retired Admiral Poindexter

But more to the point....these chips can be used to track your movements and if they are used to eliminate purchases they can know what you buy and where and when...

Then there is just the whole idea of having an artificial "thing" implanted INTO your body...unlike something that might monitor your heart or keep it going...why have it inserted? I can have a card that does that. I can carry it around on my key ring.

What about long term health effects? Everyone thought Silicon implants were safe then people started dying from toxic shock syndrome.

Sorry but unless it is medically keeping me alive I will refuse any such implants

Brother, if you use a cellphones you can already be tracked. If you buy a Chevy with Onstar you can already be tracked. If you use a Visa or Mastercard check card your purchases can already be tracked. All of us leave a papertrail somewhere, unless we do absolutely everything with cash, don't use cellphones, and drive older vehicles.

[Aquila]

If you lived before the time electricity was discovered, how would you describe a computer chip? What would be your point of reference?

John didn't see a "microchip". He saw the etching of a mark (etched branding), name, or the number of a man's name in the foreheads of those who worshipped the beast and his image. I might have described it as a grain of "rice" or some other grain because that's what it looks like. It doesn't look like what John would have known as a "mark" or branding.

Let me guess...you believe the locusts (spirits) out of the abyss are helicopters don't you: :lol

[Rico]

Let me guess...you believe the locusts (spirits) out of the abyss are helicopters don't you: :lol


Hehehehehe! Actually, I am smart enough to know that people use whatever point of reference they know to describe things. How would someone describe an airplane, prior to the invention of airplanes? How about a computer? A telephone? Pick any number of our modern conveniences and someone seeing them in a vision a couple thousand years ago. How would they describe what they are seeing?

[Aquila]

It's shocking to me that people are mocking this. If this came upon us 20 years we would all be freaking out but they have conditioned even the church to accept the one world government and the mark of the beast.


The condition of the church is just astounding to me.


You see, at first they are making this optional. but it wont be long that most will receive it willfully and many saints will go right along with the system and mock those who don't

I don't think anyone is mocking this. It's a definate threat to liberty and should be vehemently resisted. And until they start demanding it be placed in the right hand and forehead as a sign of religious devotion to a world leader, I'm not going to cry wolf. Why? It makes us look foolish and discredits everything else we have to say...namely, the gospel.

I remember reading about how many believed the Social Security number was the "mark of the beast".

When something like a branding, etching, name, or number is required on the right hand or forehead as a way of paying homage to a world leader and participating in a global economic system appears...I'll gladly say that's the mark.

[Aquila]

How is a first century person supposed to know what a chip is? This is a vision. OF course the bible does not mention micro chips. And Revelation is very symbolic. What we know is they will receive some kind of mark. It will be used for buying or selling goods and it will somehow represent the beast

John also saw the following:

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

Hmmmmm....do you believe the Church should start issuing it's own microchips for believers to put in their foreheads? :lol

Here bro, this is a contrast in the Revelation. Both marks are spiritual and symbolically represent something greater than the symbols themselves. The "mark of the beast" represents a spiritual branding imposed on those who worship this world's system. This world's system uses economic pressures to get people to cave into it's false idology. The mark symbolizes that the world system owns them. The "name written" in the 144000's foreheads is symbolic of the true believers being owned by the Lord. It's representative of those sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise.

A microchip has no power to condemn the soul. This book is symbolic.

[Aquila]

The only problem is is that the antichrist causes all to receive the mark...or else...that is not what is happening now

Oh goodness...that's not the only problem. First, it's not in the right hand or forehead.

[Aquila]

OK, let's talk about the hoax, one that is called futurism.

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. {Matthew 23:36}

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. {Matthew 24:34}

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {Revelation 1:7}

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. {Revelation 1:1-2}

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. {Revelation 22:10}

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. {Revelation 22:12}

Now, who shall we believe, futurist lies or the Truth (Jesus Christ) and the followers of that truth? As for me and my house, we shll not serve fear or ignorance, but we shall serve the Lord.

Be nice. Even the Preterist believes that though the mark John happened to be refering to was specifically referencing Nero. There is a "mark" present in every generation. ;)

Right now the biggest threat is a threat to liberty. But when they tie it to worship of a system or a man...then it is another "mark" our generation should be aware of.

Dont' forget the foundations of "applied Preterism".

[Aquila]

Hehehehehe! Actually, I am smart enough to know that people use whatever point of reference they know to describe things. How would someone describe an airplane, prior to the invention of airplanes? How about a computer? A telephone? Pick any number of our modern conveniences and someone seeing them in a vision a couple thousand years ago. How would they describe what they are seeing?

John saw locusts...not flying chariots. These are released out of the "abyss". Do you believe that all these helicopters are stored in a massive underground bunker somewhere? :lol

Bro...these are "spirits". The "mark" is a symbol representing one's enslavement to the godless world system. In John's day it was enslavement to Nero worship and the adoration of Rome. Under the Roman Catholic Church it was enslavement to and veneration of the power and authority of the Pope. In the early 1900's it was the salute to the Swashtika and Adolph Hitler. Throughout the Muslim world it's one's alligence to Islam. And yes...this might be a vehicle of tyranny...but the "mark" is the spiritual effect of what that this will be used as a to create.

The mark is bigger than just Nero and it's bigger than a silly Microchip. Whatever you make yourself a servant of...it has you marked. I pray you have the name of Jesus in your forehead as we speak my brother. Some are walking around you everyday are are "marked", or enslaved, by sin, idolatry, or this world's system.

[Rico]

John saw locusts...not flying chariots. These are released out of the "abyss". Do you believe that all these helicopters are stored in a massive underground bunker somewhere? :lol

Bro...these are "spirits". The "mark" is a symbol representing one's enslavement to the godless world system. In John's day it was enslavement to Nero worship and the adoration of Rome. Under the Roman Catholic Church it was enslavement to and veneration of the power and authority of the Pope. In the early 1900's it was the salute to the Swashtika and Adolph Hitler. Throughout the Muslim world it's one's alligence to Islam. And yes...this might be a vehicle of tyranny...but the "mark" is the spiritual effect of what that this will be used as a to create.

The mark is bigger than just Nero and it's bigger than a silly Microchip. Whatever you make yourself a servant of...it has you marked.

My opinion is just as valid as yours Aquila. BTW, I haven't said I believe locusts are helicopters. In fact, I haven't commented on what I believe about any of this stuff. I am only pointing out that people are going to use whatever point of reference they know when describing anything. We aren't going to know for sure what John was seeing until it actually manifests itself and we make the connection. Even then, I am sure people will disagree.

[Aquila]

Here's a question....

Anyone willing to wager their immortal soul on this being the mark? :lol

[StMark]

They said the same thing about the S. S. Number. Today it's hard to find a job without one, and everyone has one. In the 70's they turned to the computer for the beast. There was one in Belgium that took up a whole room and they called it the beast. This was all a out right lie, because this computer never existed, but because it come from the mouths of preachers it had to be so.

Besides, if the computer chip is the mark of the beast, what is the mark of those that living for God?

Rev 22:4
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
KJV

Is this a tatoo? A computer chip also? What is this mark that those that are living for God will take? Can someone explain?


This is different. they will be able to know when you are sitting on the comode. this object is going inside your body. they'll know your every step. I think all the other stuff was just a foreshadow of things to come. Americans had to be won over slowly and now that they are PURPOSELY throwing our economy down the toilet( look at gas prices) the masses will be more willing then ever. AND look at the way they are going for OBama! who would have ever thought!!

[Rico]

I keep reading about "they" in this thread. Who exactly is "they"? "They" are the enemies of all that Christianity and America stands for, yet no one knows who "they" is. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

[Bowas]

The only problem is is that the antichrist causes all to receive the mark...or else...that is not what is happening now

I cannot find a verse anywhere in the Bible that says, "the antichrist causes all to receive the mark...or else"
I have read several books that make that claim, but not THE BOOK!
Please help me find it.
One verse that specifically so states, my inquiring mind right now awaits.

[Revelationist]

Here's a question....

Anyone willing to wager their immortal soul on this being the mark? :lol

Are you going to pay for it if they are?

[Revelationist]

This is different. they will be able to know when you are sitting on the comode. this object is going inside your body. they'll know your every step. I think all the other stuff was just a foreshadow of things to come. Americans had to be won over slowly and now that they are PURPOSELY throwing our economy down the toilet( look at gas prices) the masses will be more willing then ever. AND look at the way they are going for OBama! who would have ever thought!!


With the trouble that I have with a cell phone signal, I doubt they'll be able to tell when I'm sitting on a toilet...

And the stuff before that was just a shadow of what they preached about in the 70's... The stuff that they preached in the 70's didn't exist. It was a lie. One of the Urshans even preached the the temple was being rebuilt in the 70's.

Our high Gas prices is because of the EPA and Wall Street... Wall Street runs on the same fear and hype as the church I think... and that drives the price up. It's all supply and demand and what the inverstors on wall street think...

[StMark]

ONe of us is wrong and one of us is Right.

I'm the one who is Right

[Revelationist]

ONe of us is wrong and one of us is Right.

I'm the one who is Right


About what?

[HeavenlyOne]

I don't care for a chip in my body that will track everywhere I go and everything I do.

No thanks. It's bad enough that I'm tracked at all.

[Praxeas]

I cannot find a verse anywhere in the Bible that says, "the antichrist causes all to receive the mark...or else"
I have read several books that make that claim, but not THE BOOK!
Please help me find it.
One verse that specifically so states, my inquiring mind right now awaits.
Right, it does not say anti-Christ.

It was the second beast
Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.
Rev 13:12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,
Rev 13:14 and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
Rev 13:15 And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.
Rev 13:16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
Rev 13:17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

[Bowas]

[QUOTE=Praxeas;484411]Right, it does not say anti-Christ. QUOTE]

Nowhere in the Bible will anyone find the phrase, "The Antichrist" Does not exist, expect in books written by men/women.
Funny how when I have told people the phrase, "The Antichrist" is not only NOT in the book of Revelation, it also is not in the Bible, they don't believe me until they go home and look it up for themselves.
Not often will it change their views, but once in awhile someone "gets it." :)

[AbundantGrace]

[QUOTE=Praxeas;484411]Right, it does not say anti-Christ. QUOTE]

Nowhere in the Bible will anyone find the phrase, "The Antichrist" Does not exist, expect in books written by men/women.
Funny how when I have told people the phrase, "The Antichrist" is not only NOT in the book of Revelation, it also is not in the Bible, they don't believe me until they go home and look it up for themselves.
Not often will it change their views, but once in awhile someone "gets it." :)

1 John 2:18-19 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 ...Such a man is the antichrist...

1 John 4:3 But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

[HeavenlyOne]

[QUOTE=Bowas;484451]

1 John 2:18-19 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 ...Such a man is the antichrist...

1 John 4:3 But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Yeah, but it's not capitalized....


:D

[AbundantGrace]

[QUOTE=AbundantGrace;484494]

Yeah, but it's not capitalized....


:D

1 John 2:18-19 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that The Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 ...Such a man is The Antichrist...

1 John 4:3 But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of The Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and The Antichrist.

:happydance:happydance:happydance

[HeavenlyOne]

1 John 2:18-19 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that The Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 ...Such a man is The Antichrist...

1 John 4:3 But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of The Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and The Antichrist.

:happydance:happydance:happydance

ROFL!

[AbundantGrace]

ROFL!

:reaction

[Revelationist]

[QUOTE=Bowas;484451]

1 John 2:18-19 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 ...Such a man is the antichrist...

1 John 4:3 But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

What version are you using? The KJV doesn't say that...

[AbundantGrace]

[QUOTE=AbundantGrace;484494]

What version are you using? The KJV doesn't say that...

That was NIV :tissue

[AbundantGrace]

Here's KJV:

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.



Here's New KJV

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2 John 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


Here's ESV

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

2 John 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

If you need any other versions, please feel free to ask.

[Revelationist]

If you need any other versions, please feel free to ask.

Thanks... no... just wondering if you had one that said that the antichrist was a man?

[Joelel]

Those of us who are saved are sealed with the Holy Ghost.Eph.1
[13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

It's the same with the mark of the beast,if you worship and follow the spirit of satan you have his mark.People will be deceived into worship of satan by miracles.

Rev.13:11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads (the spirit and mark of worship of satan)
17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

[Joelel]

Unless you are clearly making a decision to denounce God and pledge allegiance to the anti-Christ, I think he's right. Don't think it's going to sneak up on us.

Otherwise, my dogs currently have the Mark of the Beast. Seems far-"fetched" (pun intended). :bliss

My question is,if its a chip ? who is going to chase all these third world millions of people though the jungle to put a chip in their hand so they can buy and sell where ?

[Joelel]

If your deceived into worship the beast or satan by miracles you have his mark or spirit,get it ? If the mark is in your head means your totally given to him mind and body,if in your hand means you are not totally given to him.

Rev.11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

[Joelel]

666 is the mark of worship of the spirit of satan. No chip can do miracles and deceive a person into worship of the beast or satan.