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Felicity
03-21-2007, 01:02 PM
Just waited on another very masculine looking woman .... including moustache, short hair, etc. She walks like a man, built kind of like a man.
Why do these women turn me off so bad?! I can hardly stand to look at them. I don't mean to be unloving or unkind, but I just go :woot when I come in contact with some of these women!
Drama Queen
03-21-2007, 01:04 PM
Maybe your getting what I like to call the Holy Ghost Hibby-Gibbies!
rgcraig
03-21-2007, 01:08 PM
Because it's unnatural?
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:11 PM
Because it's unnatural?
So she drew on the moustache?? :winkgrin
Seriously, I wonder if there is medical help? SOunds like too much testostrone or too little estrogen?
rgcraig
03-21-2007, 01:12 PM
So she drew on the moustache?? :winkgrin
Seriously, I wonder if there is medical help? SOunds like too much testostrone or too little estrogen?
It does sound like a hormonal problem for sure.
Felicity
03-21-2007, 01:14 PM
Even the way she looked at me. :woot
Felicity
03-21-2007, 01:15 PM
Maybe your getting what I like to call the Holy Ghost Hibby-Gibbies! Yeah, there have been other women that I get the same feeling and I found out later they were gay.
I just hope the way I feel isn't too apparent but I just feel ... ugh.
MrsMcD
03-21-2007, 01:16 PM
Even the way she looked at me. :woot
She may have the hots for you. :winkgrin
MrsMcD
03-21-2007, 01:17 PM
Yeah, there have been other women that I get the same feeling and I found out later they were gay.
I just hope the way I feel isn't too apparent but I just feel ... ugh.
You feel like you need to go home and take a shower.
rgcraig
03-21-2007, 01:20 PM
Wonder what would happen if you laid hands on them and cast that gay spirit out of them?
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:21 PM
Wonder what would happen if you laid hands on them and cast that gay spirit out of them?
You'd probably get charged with assault...
rgcraig
03-21-2007, 01:22 PM
You'd probably get charged with assault...
You are probably right! :toofunny
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:23 PM
You are probably right! :toofunny
or get asked out on a date ... :winkgrin
Margies3
03-21-2007, 01:23 PM
last night at the grocery store I was in line behind a MAN who had a definate woman's haircut, make-up on, jewelry, a woman's fur coat, high heels, the whole nine-yards. But very obviously a man. Now THAT was disgusting!! Just as disgusting as the women you are describing, Felicity. I wanted to gag. Sorry!
BoredOutOfMyMind
03-21-2007, 01:23 PM
Bro Terry Black told the story of his starting a church in Vancouver. Seems a very nice looking couple came in and sat down. The man had a nice conservative suit and looked like a banker. The spouse had a conservative dress on and they were attentive during church and the sermon. After church, the man warmly shook his hand and in his mind he is thinking maybe they really are someone who may come back. As he shook the spouse's hand, a deep voice booms out "Hi! I'M BAMBI!"
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:25 PM
Wonder what would happen if you laid hands on them and cast that gay spirit out of them?
Gay is a spirit now??
BoredOutOfMyMind
03-21-2007, 01:26 PM
Gay is a spirit now??
It is not inherited.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:27 PM
It is not inherited.
Maybe they were given soy milk as a baby.....
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:27 PM
It is not inherited.
You mean genetic?
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:28 PM
In Psych we are learning some really interesting stuff about this topic.
nathan_slatter
03-21-2007, 01:30 PM
Maybe they were given soy milk as a baby.....
Now that's funny... :slaphappy
Drama Queen
03-21-2007, 01:30 PM
or get asked out on a date ... :winkgrin
That'd be my luck! :aaa
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:30 PM
In Psych we are learning some really interesting stuff about this topic.
We have DUET here which is a channel that carries University courses. I was watching a course given on gender identification.
Apparently, you are not male nor female unless you self-identify as male or female or both.
Just waited on another very masculine looking woman .... including moustache, short hair, etc. She walks like a man, built kind of like a man.
Why do these women turn me off so bad?! I can hardly stand to look at them. I don't mean to be unloving or unkind, but I just go :woot when I come in contact with some of these women!
Because their appearance strikes you as inherently unnatural? There's something that bears witness with your spirit that there's something not quite right about these "women"?
QueenEsther
03-21-2007, 01:32 PM
So she drew on the moustache?? :winkgrin
Seriously, I wonder if there is medical help? SOunds like too much testostrone or too little estrogen?
But there are things you can do to help it if you are not lazy.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:33 PM
But there are things you can do to help it if you are not lazy.?"??
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:34 PM
We have DUET here which is a channel that carries University courses. I was watching a course given on gender identification.
Apparently, you are not male nor female unless you self-identify as male or female or both.
hmm... been learning that gays were made gay by events in their life. :hmmm
and hormone levels.. lol..
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:35 PM
But there are things you can do to help it if you are not lazy.
It will keep growing back unless you can afford electrolysis (sp?)
Won't it?
And that would only take care of a symptom not the underlying cause.
Gay is a spirit now??No, it is NOT a spirit. It is two separate things: 1) an unnatural attraction (attraction itself being very narrowly defined as the autonomic physiological and emotional response that we call finding someone attractive) that develops during childhood in some people (why it develops, well, there are various opinions) and; 2) sin - embracing and/or acting on the unnatural attraction (including in one's thoughts - basically everything that occurs beyond the point of attraction). The attraction is something to be healed, the sin is to be repented of.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:37 PM
No, it is NOT a spirit. It is two separate things: 1) an unnatural attraction (attraction itself being very narrowly defined as the autonomic physiological and emotional response that we call finding someone attractive) that develops during childhood in some people (why it develops, well, there are various opinions) and; 2) sin - embracing and/or acting on the unnatural attraction (including in one's thoughts - basically everything that occurs beyond the point of attraction). The attraction is something to be healed, the sin is to be repented of.
I agree with this.. :ignore
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:37 PM
hmm... been learning that gays were made gay by events in their life. :hmmm
and hormone levels.. lol..
This course dealt with gender not "sexual preference"... which may be part of identifying as a male or female ... I don't remember all of it.
We have DUET here which is a channel that carries University courses. I was watching a course given on gender identification.
Apparently, you are not male nor female unless you self-identify as male or female or both.
One of the many evils of psychology: a psychologist I was talking to online a few years back insisted that gender is not male or female but, instead, is a fluid spectrum and people fall somewhere along the spectrum between male and female.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:39 PM
This course dealt with gender not "sexual preference"... which may be part of identifying as a male or female ... I don't remember all of it.ahh.. It is my uneducated opinion, cross-dressers and the tranny's have some kind of a mental illness.
Drama Queen
03-21-2007, 01:39 PM
I was always taught that it's a spirit of homosexuality.
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:39 PM
One of the many evils of psychology: a psychologist I was talking to online a few years back insisted that gender is not male or female but, instead, is a fluid spectrum and people fall somewhere along the spectrum between male and female.
Yeah... similar to what I heard too.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:40 PM
I was always taught that it's a spirit of homosexuality.
Lust is a flesh problem. You were taught a lie. :icecream
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:42 PM
ahh.. It is my uneducated opinion, cross-dressers and the tranny's have some kind of a mental illness.
There was one thing the prof said that surprised me. She said that many children are born with both male and female "parts" and that people push them into being male or female instead of letting them decide for themselves.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:43 PM
There was one thing the prof said that surprised me. She said that many children are born with both male and female "parts" and that people push them into being male or female instead of letting them decide for themselves.
They are called hermaphrodites. Yes, few are born with both parts. Yes, they are pushed into one or the other.
ahh.. It is my uneducated opinion, cross-dressers and the tranny's have some kind of a mental illness.
Cross-dressers are not transsexuals. Many cross-dressers are heterosexuals who do it for some sort of strange sexual gratification. Transsexuals have a disorder where their body is one sex but their mind tells them they're the opposite sex. So, what does psychology do to TREAT the mental disorder? Teach these people to accept what their brain is telling them and then encourage them to go get their bodies changed to match what's going on inside their brain.
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:46 PM
They are called hermaphrodites. Yes, few are born with both parts. Yes, they are pushed into one or the other.
Yeas but she said MANY. I thought it was just a few...
Drama Queen
03-21-2007, 01:46 PM
Lust is a flesh problem. You were taught a lie. :icecream
OK... am I reading that you do NOT think that homosexuality is a spirit? You think they are born that way?
They are called hermaphrodites. Yes, few are born with both parts. Yes, they are pushed into one or the other.
I'm not sure there are all that "many" of them but, yes, their parents do tend to push them into one or the other.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:48 PM
Cross-dressers are not transsexuals. Many cross-dressers are heterosexuals who do it for some sort of strange sexual gratification. Transsexuals have a disorder where their body is one sex but their mind tells them they're the opposite sex. So, what does psychology do to TREAT the mental disorder? Teach these people to accept what their brain is telling them and then encourage them to go get their bodies changed to match what's going on inside their brain.
I know they are not the same. But I thought that cross dressing was the first step to surgery.. guess I was wrong. lol
QueenEsther
03-21-2007, 01:49 PM
It will keep growing back unless you can afford electrolysis (sp?)
Won't it?
And that would only take care of a symptom not the underlying cause.
I have a friend who has this problem. She bleaches it and at one point was using nair on it on a regular basis. It is a pain but you can't see hers.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:49 PM
OK... am I reading that you do NOT think that homosexuality is a spirit? You think they are born that way?
No. I do not think that they are born that way. I believe that events in a child's life shape who he becomes.
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:50 PM
I have a friend who has this problem. She bleaches it and at one point was using nair on it on a regular basis. It is a pain but you can't see hers.
NAIR on her FACE???!!???? That can't be good for you...:nah
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:50 PM
I have a friend who has this problem. She bleaches it and at one point was using nair on it on a regular basis. It is a pain but you can't see hers.
Waxing hurts, but the hair starts to grow in much thinner. You should see the top of my feet. :winkgrin
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 01:51 PM
I was always taught that it's a spirit of homosexuality.
It can be a spirit like anything else can be a spirit. I don't think it's exclusively a spirit, but just like sickness can be caused by a spirit, so can homosexuality.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:52 PM
Yeas but she said MANY. I thought it was just a few...
She's not exactly the brightest neon pink crayon in the Crayola box.
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 01:53 PM
They are called hermaphrodites. Yes, few are born with both parts. Yes, they are pushed into one or the other.
How do you let the kid decide for themselves? How do you raise a genderless child? I don't think it can be done.
I know they are not the same. But I thought that cross dressing was the first step to surgery.. guess I was wrong. lolIt goes beyond merely cross-dressing, it actually involves living as the opposite sex. There's a high school science teacher in Batavia, NY that's in this process now; students, other teachers, etc. are forced to refer to this man as "she" and by other feminine pronouns.
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:53 PM
She's not exactly the brightest neon pink crayon in the Crayola box.
You must of met her. That was the colour of her hair ... j/k :tiphat
She was kind of a funky dresser though.
Just waited on another very masculine looking woman .... including moustache, short hair, etc. She walks like a man, built kind of like a man.
Why do these women turn me off so bad?! I can hardly stand to look at them. I don't mean to be unloving or unkind, but I just go :woot when I come in contact with some of these women!
Because they are an abomination!!!!!!!!! I get that same feeling around effeminate men as well as dyke women.
The world would call it homophobia but I call it discernment.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:54 PM
How do you let the kid decide for themselves? How do you raise a genderless child? I don't think it can be done.I don't think it can be done. You kinda have to choose one or the other. It's a gamble.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:55 PM
Because they are an abomination!!!!!!!!! I get that same feeling around effeminate men as well as dyke women.
The world would call it homophobia but I call it discernment.lol
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:56 PM
You must of met her. That was the colour of her hair ... j/k :tiphat
She was kind of a funky dresser though.she's a lesbian.
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:57 PM
I don't think it can be done. You kinda have to choose one or the other. It's a gamble.
I'd say 50-50 chance :winkgrin
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 01:57 PM
I don't think it can be done. You kinda have to choose one or the other. It's a gamble.
I've watched documentaries about those people. It's not an easy life, especially if they had surgery to make them one sex when they were really the other.
I wonder how God looks at those people and why He'd make someone that way.
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 01:58 PM
she's a lesbian.
She didn't self-identifyto the class... :winkgrin
berkeley
03-21-2007, 01:59 PM
She didn't self-identifyto the class... :winkgrin
I'm sure she didn't.
berkeley
03-21-2007, 02:00 PM
I've watched documentaries about those people. It's not an easy life, especially if they had surgery to make them one sex when they were really the other.
I wonder how God looks at those people and why He'd make someone that way.
This is why I am in favor of test-tube babies. I can pick the gender, eye color, etc.
originalsecretplace
03-21-2007, 02:09 PM
I've watched documentaries about those people. It's not an easy life, especially if they had surgery to make them one sex when they were really the other.
I wonder how God looks at those people and why He'd make someone that way.
I guess one could look at it as being born with another kind of handicap.
I think God knows exactly what to think. It's us who may get the wrong impression or may judge unfairly someone in this predicament.
Just waited on another very masculine looking woman .... including moustache, short hair, etc. She walks like a man, built kind of like a man.
Why do these women turn me off so bad?! I can hardly stand to look at them. I don't mean to be unloving or unkind, but I just go :woot when I come in contact with some of these women!
As everyone else has said, because it's unnatural...!!
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 03:05 PM
I guess one could look at it as being born with another kind of handicap.
I think God knows exactly what to think. It's us who may get the wrong impression or may judge unfairly someone in this predicament.
Thing is, this is what could have happened to the 'woman' Felicity saw today!
Felicity
03-21-2007, 03:36 PM
Wonder what would happen if you laid hands on them and cast that gay spirit out of them?I don't know if she was gay. This is a Christian book store. Of course that doesn't mean a shopper here might not be far as that goes but perhaps maybe more unlikely.
Felicity
03-21-2007, 04:30 PM
One of the many evils of psychology: a psychologist I was talking to online a few years back insisted that gender is not male or female but, instead, is a fluid spectrum and people fall somewhere along the spectrum between male and female.I guess there can be physiological/hormonal reasons why a woman might be built like and look like a man without her being gay but you know there are things these women could do to make them look less that way. That's what I don't understand. Why do they dress "masculine", walk that way and keep the butch haircuts and all.
It just makes me SO uncomfortable.
The Dean
03-21-2007, 04:57 PM
Just waited on another very masculine looking woman .... including moustache, short hair, etc. She walks like a man, built kind of like a man.
Why do these women turn me off so bad?! I can hardly stand to look at them. I don't mean to be unloving or unkind, but I just go :woot when I come in contact with some of these women!
I have a friend who used to make much fun of me because I couldn't stand to be around gay men. There was a chinese restaurant that we used to go to that had a gay waiter and if he was waiting on me I would get a drink and leave. My friend laughed at me as though it was some comedy playing out.
Finally one day I told him, "Listen, maybe you're just a little more comfortable around perversion than I am." He got the point. I went on to explain that it wasn't a 'hatred' or a 'abuse' of the person. I just simply can't be comfortable around them! Makes my skin crawl and my spirit become vexed.
As a Pastor I have worked with some of them but I'm just not sure that God wants us to feel comfortable around such abominations. Love the sinner, yes, but the sin is an abomination that even God hates.
Scott Hutchinson
03-21-2007, 04:59 PM
A real woman is repulsed at these lesbo types,it's a ugly spirit.
We love the sinner but hate the sin.
Brett Prince
03-21-2007, 05:42 PM
*BP peaks in. Grows red. Tiptoes out.*
Walk and Talk
03-21-2007, 08:41 PM
I don't know if she was gay. This is a Christian book store. Of course that doesn't mean a shopper here might not be far as that goes but perhaps maybe more unlikely.
There can be several reasons for masculine women and feminine men. Most all men have xy chromosomes, and most all women have xx chromosomes. However one out of every 600 babies are born with chromosomes that differ from this.
There are men that have xxy or xx chromosomes. There are women that have xy chromosomes. Typically these folks have bodies that are less then masculine or less then feminine. Typically they are sterile and cannot produce children. Typically they have likes/dislikes and tendencies that, to some degree, mirror their chromosomal makeup.
There can also be those born with both sexes gonads.
Most women produce testosterone. Most men produce estrogen. However, there can be too much of these in some people.
Most of these people know only too well the rejection that comes from society because they are not "normal."
If this woman you encountered was not homosexual. If this woman was the product of chromosomes or gonads or hormones, imagine how she felt when she sensed your disgust. How sad.
For some Christians to see that these people are less then masculine or less then feminine, and call it "discernment" of a homosexual spirit is even sadder.
Yes, some of these people might be homosexual. However, to assume ("discern") that they are homosexual is wrong.
No wonder so many "different" people out there consider Christians to be a bunch of judges and full of criticism.
If someone is truly homosexual then so be it. I am not condoning homosexuality for Biblical reasons. However to assume all different people (when it comes to being masculine or feminine) are homosexual is hurtful to them and just wrong. In my opinion you and others like CC1 need to seriously consider whether you need to repent of your actions and attitudes.
How would you feel if you had different chromosomes or hormones or gonads and you knew the disgust Christians would lavish on you?
As far as your disgust with her: In OUR society, most men dislike less then masculine men. Most women dislike less then feminine women. They (those with disgust) are a product of our society that constantly glorifies slim curvaceous buxom women and muscle encased men.
I have been helping/counselling a sister in her 40s that is naturally not a feminine woman. She has facial hair that she deals with. She has no figure - in our societies terms. She is unmarried because men are not attracted to her. She loves the Lord. She has done NOTHING to produce her masculine looking physical features. She has had a life FULL of rejection, hurt, and loneliness (even in the church). How sad.
Just my thoughts.
Walk and Talk
Scott Hutchinson
03-21-2007, 08:45 PM
A real woman is repulsed at these lesbo types,it's a ugly spirit.
We love the sinner but hate the sin.
I apologize for sounding harsh here ,I should have been less judgemental.
Felicity
03-21-2007, 10:05 PM
If this woman you encountered was not homosexual. If this woman was the product of chromosomes or gonads or hormones, imagine how she felt when she sensed your disgust. How sad. I was kind to this lady and treated her with respect .... just as I do any other. I would never be unkind in any intentional way, but to say I'm not affected by this type of thing would be dishonest. I am. It repulses me. However, this lady would never have known how I felt.
I feel sorry for these women, I do, but at the same time I don't understand why they don't try a little harder to be more feminine. There are things a woman can do to appear more feminine rather than masculine.
I commend you for your ministry and reaching out to the people you do. God bless you for it.
Chewy
03-21-2007, 10:11 PM
I was kind to this lady and treated her with respect .... just as I do any other. I would never be unkind in any intentional way, but to say I'm not affected by this type of thing would be dishonest. I am. It repulses me. However, this lady would never have known how I felt.
I feel sorry for these women, I do, but at the same time I don't understand why they don't try a little harder to be more feminine. There are things a woman can do to appear more feminine rather than masculine.
I commend you for your ministry and reaching out to the people you do. God bless you for it.
Maybe she didn't want to.
Felicity
03-21-2007, 10:16 PM
Maybe she didn't want to.Apparently, and I find that very hard to understand.
MissBrattified
03-21-2007, 10:17 PM
Well. Forgive my lack of sympathy...LOL!!!!
Got facial hair? Hello wax strips!
Walk like a man? Put on a pair of feminine heels and just try to keep that manly strut goin' while you are 4 inches off the ground.
Dress like a man? Put on a dress. Make sure it's made out of something soft, lacy, fluffy, silky or satiny.
Can't grow long hair? Tie a ribbon or scarf around your head. I'd be willing to wager the difference will be obvious.
Have bushy eyebrows? Learn how to use a pair of tweezers.
Hair on your ears? Hello wax strips again.
Have manly BO? Take baths twice a day and use deoderant regularly. Goodness, shower after every meal if that's what it takes.
Hairly legs? SHAVE them. (GASP--what a novel idea)
COME on...I can understand that not all women are born with an hourglass figure and are naturally hairless, or have long, gorgeous, wavy tresses...but you can look feminine if you WANT to look feminine, and you can act feminine if you WANT to.
Huh-uh. I don't buy it. I do not buy the idea that a person can't help but be masculine. You take the most shapeless woman and put her in heels and a pretty dress, and she will look like a woman in spite of herself.
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 10:28 PM
Maybe she didn't want to.
Maybe she was born having both sexes and her parents made the wrong decision. Who knows?
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 10:31 PM
Well. Forgive my lack of sympathy...LOL!!!!
Got facial hair? Hello wax strips!
Walk like a man? Put on a pair of feminine heels and just try to keep that manly strut goin' while you are 4 inches off the ground.
Dress like a man? Put on a dress. Make sure it's made out of something soft, lacy, fluffy, silky or satiny.
Can't grow long hair? Tie a ribbon or scarf around your head. I'd be willing to wager the difference will be obvious.
Have bushy eyebrows? Learn how to use a pair of tweezers.
Hair on your ears? Hello wax strips again.
Have manly BO? Take baths twice a day and use deoderant regularly. Goodness, shower after every meal if that's what it takes.
Hairly legs? SHAVE them. (GASP--what a novel idea)
COME on...I can understand that not all women are born with an hourglass figure and are naturally hairless, or have long, gorgeous, wavy tresses...but you can look feminine if you WANT to look feminine, and you can act feminine if you WANT to.
Huh-uh. I don't buy it. I do not buy the idea that a person can't help but be masculine. You take the most shapeless woman and put her in heels and a pretty dress, and she will look like a woman in spite of herself.
While it's more than likely she chooses to dress that way and nothing physiologically is wrong, it's possible that she cannot help it.
In some of the posts above, hermaphrodites were mentioned. They do exist, and most of the time, a wrong choice was made without considering genetics.
Just throwing out a possibility out there. :D
MissBrattified
03-21-2007, 10:33 PM
While it's more than likely she chooses to dress that way and nothing physiologically is wrong, it's possible that she cannot help it.
In some of the posts above, hermaphrodites were mentioned. They do exist, and most of the time, a wrong choice was made without considering genetics.
Just throwing out a possibility out there. :D
Oh Thou Who Lovest To Discuss The Most Unlikely Scenario...:coffee2
In general, ALL of my very practical (though a few painful, but Hey!, it's about beauty!) suggestions would work, even for a hermaphroditey. I think if a man can dress in drag and pull it off, then surely someone who was born a man, turned into a woman, and later realized she was a he, but he was stuck being a she, could pull it off as well.
So my brilliant suggestion is that hermaphrodites should dress in drag. :happydance
Walk and Talk
03-21-2007, 10:39 PM
Maybe she didn't want to.
This might be hard for many to understand ---
If you take a person, usually male, and castrate them (or have them born without normally functioning gonads) - such that there is NO testosterone, they cannot relate to sex. They cannot relate to sexual impulses and desires. It is like another reality, another planet. Those desires and joys and impulses are absent. The need to present themselves in a way that is attractive to the opposite sex is nonexistent - completely.
In the same way, using the sister I mentioned above as my example, those with an abundance of the opposite sex's hormones, or with the opposite sex's chromosomes, feel no desire to make themselves fit into a mold that they do not come close to relating to.
In the case of this sister in the Lord, she does shave her legs, but would rather not. She would rather be working in boots and jeans and flannel shirt then being in a feminine dress, bra, and have her hair all fixed up. She does try to fit the mold of what is "normal" but she does not relate to the need most women have to present themselves as attractive to the opposite sex and feminine. She attempts to fit the churches and societies mold only because she has been so rejected (and still is regardless of her attempts). She wants someone to be her friend, so she does what society/church expects of her. However, she cannot relate to it in the slightest. Yes, this sister LOVES the Lord with her whole heart. She is not perverted and she does not have a homosexual spirit or tendency. It is just her physical makeup.
As a side note: I have heard of people born with both sex's gonads (hermaphrodite) being told they need to get delivered from a demon. That once they get free from their demon, their bodies would be "normal." This is ignorance to the max.
Now, using her example, what about women (or men) that don't know the Lord that have this complete lack of understanding and drive. Wouldn't you expect that they would do what came natural to them? I.e. Dress and walk and act like what they feel. (No, I am not talking about those engaging in homosexual acts and desires.)Walk and Talk
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 10:46 PM
Oh Thou Who Lovest To Discuss The Most Unlikely Scenario...:coffee2
In general, ALL of my very practical (though a few painful, but Hey!, it's about beauty!) suggestions would work, even for a hermaphroditey. I think if a man can dress in drag and pull it off, then surely someone who was born a man, turned into a woman, and later realized she was a he, but he was stuck being a she, could pull it off as well.
So my brilliant suggestion is that hermaphrodites should dress in drag. :happydance
You are too silly!
MissBrattified
03-21-2007, 10:47 PM
You are too silly!
Even I can't have all the answers. :D
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 10:51 PM
WNT, I have seen documentaries about those kinds of people and it's not a good life. They don't fit in with either sex....because they are neither and they are both. Their looks are strange....they don't look like either sex most of the time. There are mannish looking women and pretty looking men. For those people who's parents made the wrong decision, it's horrible feeling that you are a man but you have female body parts, and vice versa.
I can't imagine, knowing what I know as a woman, to find out that the reason I feel like a man is because my parents wanted a girl, and I happened to be both, so they cut off what wasn't wanted.
They don't do that anymore. They usually will wait until the child is starting adolescence so they can make a decision. Even still, how does one raise a child to be either sex or both sexes until they make up their mind? How does God view those people, even in sexual relationships?
This is one of my many "When I get to heaven, I'm going to ask God...." questions.
Walk and Talk
03-21-2007, 11:02 PM
WNT, I have seen documentaries about those kinds of people and it's not a good life. They don't fit in with either sex....because they are neither and they are both. Their looks are strange....they don't look like either sex most of the time. There are mannish looking women and pretty looking men. For those people who's parents made the wrong decision, it's horrible feeling that you are a man but you have female body parts, and vice versa.
I can't imagine, knowing what I know as a woman, to find out that the reason I feel like a man is because my parents wanted a girl, and I happened to be both, so they cut off what wasn't wanted.
They don't do that anymore. They usually will wait until the child is starting adolescence so they can make a decision. Even still, how does one raise a child to be either sex or both sexes until they make up their mind? How does God view those people, even in sexual relationships?
This is one of my many "When I get to heaven, I'm going to ask God...." questions.
Someone wrote to the 700 Club and asked Pat Robertson about this. Their letter said something like this: I am both male and female. I was born looking like a male, but I have only female chromosomes, and lots of estrogen's and very little testosterone. I feel and think female, but I am also a male. What about this?
Pat replied something like this: Those with both sexes have the best of both worlds. They can relate to men and they can relate to women. It is a gift that very few can understand - understanding both sexes.
Food for thought.
HeavenlyOne
03-21-2007, 11:07 PM
Someone wrote to the 700 Club and asked Pat Robertson about this. Their letter said something like this:
Pat replied something like this:
Food for thought.
Interesting.
originalsecretplace
03-22-2007, 06:31 AM
Thing is, this is what could have happened to the 'woman' Felicity saw today!
That's sort of what I was thinking but it seems if you seem a little "soft" in denouncing people you get called a compromiser or worse.
I'm not trying to make excuses for someone just trying not to be too reactionary.
Rhoni
03-22-2007, 06:38 AM
I think most of the posts on this thread a bit ridiculous and insulting. There has to be a better way of addressing this issue.
LadyChocolate
03-22-2007, 06:39 AM
Just waited on another very masculine looking woman .... including moustache, short hair, etc. She walks like a man, built kind of like a man.
Why do these women turn me off so bad?! I can hardly stand to look at them. I don't mean to be unloving or unkind, but I just go :woot when I come in contact with some of these women!
Understand completely!!! It really gets to me also...But it also makes me cringe when I come in contact with a very swishy, limpwristed man, who sways and swings his hips and puts his hands on his hips when he's talking.... I can't stand it. My first impressions are , "ugh, sick" but then my heart really goes out for them because it is truly, truly sad...... I have a family member who , even when she was little, she tried her best to act and be like a guy. She had no motherly influence. Her dad just thought it would pass. I mean, she took the razor and shaved the top of her head to make it look like she had a receeding hair line. and she was just 9 then! lol. She needed a mother to teach her what a lady was supposed to be and she needed a daddy to teach her also! The problem was that, she never outgrew those so called "silly actions" and the family just overlooked it. Yep, she likes girls.... I can't stand it and she isn't even the same person she was when we were growing up....
QueenEsther
03-22-2007, 07:49 AM
Well. Forgive my lack of sympathy...LOL!!!!
Got facial hair? Hello wax strips!
Walk like a man? Put on a pair of feminine heels and just try to keep that manly strut goin' while you are 4 inches off the ground.
Dress like a man? Put on a dress. Make sure it's made out of something soft, lacy, fluffy, silky or satiny.
Can't grow long hair? Tie a ribbon or scarf around your head. I'd be willing to wager the difference will be obvious.
Have bushy eyebrows? Learn how to use a pair of tweezers.
Hair on your ears? Hello wax strips again.
Have manly BO? Take baths twice a day and use deoderant regularly. Goodness, shower after every meal if that's what it takes.
Hairly legs? SHAVE them. (GASP--what a novel idea)
COME on...I can understand that not all women are born with an hourglass figure and are naturally hairless, or have long, gorgeous, wavy tresses...but you can look feminine if you WANT to look feminine, and you can act feminine if you WANT to.
Huh-uh. I don't buy it. I do not buy the idea that a person can't help but be masculine. You take the most shapeless woman and put her in heels and a pretty dress, and she will look like a woman in spite of herself.
I agree, which is why I was saying earlier - it can be helped! Yes, it takes extra work but it can be done.
Rhoni
03-22-2007, 08:01 AM
A good report:
One person, similar to the one Felicity came in contact with at work came into our church. After approx. 18 months of attending service she approached me about helping her pick out clothes that were more feminine and modest. I had the privilege of seeing her transformed by the power of God in her life. She rarely missed a prayer meeting or a service...she wanted the change as God spoke it into her life.
Blessings, Rhoni
originalsecretplace
03-22-2007, 08:28 AM
If someone were living in sin and wanted to wallow there then that would be "disgusting" to me. But if someone doesn't have understanding and is surrounded by an environment that teaches them wronglyly or encourages the behaviour then I would not be repulsed by them. I think the repulsion is more an emotional reaction that a spiritual one. Similar to some people being repulsed by extremely obese people.
You know that fat people only have to "try harder" and not eat so much ... it's a sin to be gluttonous.. :tiphat
QueenEsther
03-22-2007, 08:33 AM
A good report:
One person, similar to the one Felicity came in contact with at work came into our church. After approx. 18 months of attending service she approached me about helping her pick out clothes that were more feminine and modest. I had the privilege of seeing her transformed by the power of God in her life. She rarely missed a prayer meeting or a service...she wanted the change as God spoke it into her life.
Blessings, Rhoni
That is great!!
QueenEsther
03-22-2007, 08:35 AM
If someone were living in sin and wanted to wallow there then that would be "disgusting" to me. But if someone doesn't have understanding and is surrounded by an environment that teaches them wronglyly or encourages the behaviour then I would not be repulsed by them. I think the repulsion is more an emotional reaction that a spiritual one. Similar to some people being repulsed by extremely obese people.
You know that fat people only have to "try harder" and not eat so much ... it's a sin to be gluttonous.. :tiphat
I don't have much of a problem with fat people but when they have the mentality that they cannot loose weight or that they would rather stay fat than to go hungry then it really irritates me. I understand if you have medical problem and it is hard or if you have sincerely tried and you struggle but to simply never try or choose not to - that to me is WRONG!!!
Rhoni
03-22-2007, 08:35 AM
If someone were living in sin and wanted to wallow there then that would be "disgusting" to me. But if someone doesn't have understanding and is surrounded by an environment that teaches them wronglyly or encourages the behaviour then I would not be repulsed by them. I think the repulsion is more an emotional reaction that a spiritual one. Similar to some people being repulsed by extremely obese people.
I agree!
You know that fat people only have to "try harder" and not eat so much ... it's a sin to be gluttonous.. :tiphat
I disagree! This is not always so. There are hereditary reasons as well as medical ones for obesity.
Blessings, Rhoni
originalsecretplace
03-22-2007, 08:39 AM
I disagree! This is not always so. There are hereditary reasons as well as medical ones for obesity.
Blessings, Rhoni
I meant that TIC... sinc people were saying the "masculine" lady just had to try harder.
QueenEsther
03-22-2007, 08:42 AM
I disagree! This is not always so. There are hereditary reasons as well as medical ones for obesity.
Blessings, Rhoni
My SIL is overweight and her doctor told her that there really is no such thing as having a medical reason for being overweight - it just means that you have to work much harder at it and it is discouraging. She is overweight mainly due to medical issues and he said that if she would go on a strict 1200 -1500 calorie diet and exercise daily she could loose it but that it would take a while and be hard.
Rhoni
03-22-2007, 08:43 AM
I meant that TIC... sinc people were saying the "masculine" lady just had to try harder.
O - O.K. but the first half of your statement I believe to be true. It is an emotional reaction rather than a spiritual one.
Thanks for clarifying!
Blessings, Rhoni
Rhoni
03-22-2007, 08:46 AM
My SIL is overweight and her doctor told her that there really is no such thing as having a medical reason for being overweight - it just means that you have to work much harder at it and it is discouraging. She is overweight mainly due to medical issues and he said that if she would go on a strict 1200 -1500 calorie diet and exercise daily she could loose it but that it would take a while and be hard.
I have hypothyroidism...it runs in my family...and I can't eat carbs and have to be able to eat less than a 1000 calorie diet to get rid of weight - it is so discouraging...I was always so skinny until my thyroid shut down about 7 years ago...now it is a constant battle.
The only time I have been successful in dropping the weight was when I was happily in love...for whatever reason.:winkgrin
Blessings, Rhoni
MissBrattified
03-22-2007, 08:47 AM
I meant that TIC... sinc people were saying the "masculine" lady just had to try harder.
Barring physical and mental issues that would completely prevent a person from even wanting to "try harder", or being able to make any significant difference in their appearance, I stand by and support my obnoxious and sarcastic posts. :tiphat
Hey, even Rhoni is in support of just putting on clothes that are more "feminine and modest"...apparently that's all it takes to do the trick. :happydance
I always think it's hilarious in any conversations regarding certain sinful behaviors, homosexuality and effeminancy in particular, that abhorrence for the sin and its support staff is equated with the nonsensical idea that anyone who abhors said sin also abhors and mistreats said sinner.
I don't believe Felicity stated that she was rude or mean to the woman in her store. Did she? I don't believe I stated that I would walk up to a masculine-looking woman and yank the hairs out of her nose. Did I?
I'm smart enough to know that many problems can't be solved with an Ambush Makeover...but since we were discussing women who look and act masculine, those sound like things that can be corrected with a change in appearance and/or behavior.
Obviously outward confusion is often an indicator of equally disturbing inward turmoil, and that can't be cured with a pretty dress and lip gloss.
Rhoni
03-22-2007, 08:50 AM
Barring physical and mental issues that would completely prevent a person from even wanting to "try harder", or being able to make any significant difference in their appearance, I stand by and support my obnoxious and sarcastic posts. :tiphat
Hey, even Rhoni is in support of just putting on clothes that are more "feminine and modest"...apparently that's all it takes to do the trick. :happydance
Not all it takes but it is a good start!:toofunny Rhoni believes in feminine apparel and modesty. That's why I wear frilly blouses with my pants;)!:winkgrin
Blessings, Rhoni
originalsecretplace
03-22-2007, 09:11 AM
Barring physical and mental issues that would completely prevent a person from even wanting to "try harder", or being able to make any significant difference in their appearance, I stand by and support my obnoxious and sarcastic posts. :tiphat
Hey, even Rhoni is in support of just putting on clothes that are more "feminine and modest"...apparently that's all it takes to do the trick. :happydance
I always think it's hilarious in any conversations regarding certain sinful behaviors, homosexuality and effeminancy in particular, that abhorrence for the sin and its support staff is equated with the nonsensical idea that anyone who abhors said sin also abhors and mistreats said sinner.
I don't believe Felicity stated that she was rude or mean to the woman in her store. Did she? I don't believe I stated that I would walk up to a masculine-looking woman and yank the hairs out of her nose. Did I?
I'm smart enough to know that many problems can't be solved with an Ambush Makeover...but since we were discussing women who look and act masculine, those sound like things that can be corrected with a change in appearance and/or behavior.
Obviously outward confusion is often an indicator of equally disturbing inward turmoil, and that can't be cured with a pretty dress and lip gloss.
I think we agree... :friend
QueenEsther
03-22-2007, 09:23 AM
I have hypothyroidism...it runs in my family...and I can't eat carbs and have to be able to eat less than a 1000 calorie diet to get rid of weight - it is so discouraging...I was always so skinny until my thyroid shut down about 7 years ago...now it is a constant battle.
The only time I have been successful in dropping the weight was when I was happily in love...for whatever reason.:winkgrin
Blessings, Rhoni
It seems that usually people get in love and gain weight!! Lol!! My sister doesn't have any health problems but she has a HARD time loosing weight. She has to practically starve herself and exercise daily. I have not had a real real hard time in the past - it is never easy! But as I get older I gain it easier so we shall see here in a few months just how hard it is for me to loose it. My doctor is going to make me see a Nutritionist on a regular basis though, he wants me to stay on a strict diet for the rest of my life so that I can try and prevent the diabetes from returning as I get older. We'll see how easy it will be. :)
QueenEsther
03-22-2007, 09:28 AM
Not all it takes but it is a good start!:toofunny Rhoni believes in feminine apparel and modesty. That's why I wear frilly blouses with my pants;)!:winkgrin
Blessings, Rhoni
Hey, that would help!!!
I work with a lady who pretty much hates men, she is very bitter from a bad marriage and I don't think she is a lesbein but she sure isn't into men!! Lol!! But she dresses and looks so manly. She says "frills & pinks" just aren't her. Some have even mistaken her for a man from behind!!! And to top it all off she acts like I am so beneath her because I have long hair and dress girlie!!!! :rolleyes: But, I don't let it bother me - to be honest I think she just has a problem with my religion. But, oh well!!
I guess there can be physiological/hormonal reasons why a woman might be built like and look like a man without her being gay but you know there are things these women could do to make them look less that way. That's what I don't understand. Why do they dress "masculine", walk that way and keep the butch haircuts and all.
It just makes me SO uncomfortable.Not all lesbians are what they refer to as "bull dykes," some of them are more feminine (the phenomenon of the "lipstick lesbian").
MrsMcD
03-22-2007, 11:01 AM
Not all lesbians are what they refer to as "bull dykes," some of them are more feminine (the phenomenon of the "lipstick lesbian").
You are right! I was watching Oprah one night and she had a couple (female and male) that had been married for seven years and the female left the husband because she was gay. She was a beautiful girl and you would have NEVER known she was gay. She was very feminine looking. The guy she was married to was handsome and she left him for a "not so attractive" female that looked like most gay women.
Rhoni
03-22-2007, 11:43 AM
It seems that usually people get in love and gain weight!! Lol!! My sister doesn't have any health problems but she has a HARD time loosing weight. She has to practically starve herself and exercise daily. I have not had a real real hard time in the past - it is never easy! But as I get older I gain it easier so we shall see here in a few months just how hard it is for me to loose it. My doctor is going to make me see a Nutritionist on a regular basis though, he wants me to stay on a strict diet for the rest of my life so that I can try and prevent the diabetes from returning as I get older. We'll see how easy it will be. :)
When I am in love I am all together smitten and only think about and want to be with my man...I have no time for eating...just time for kissing. Love is a great weight control for me.:happydance
I think the Southbeach diet is great for daily living...and you can eat all you want...try that one...I'll do it with you! Gestational diabetes does not always lead to diabetes down the road...I rebuke that thought!:ignore
Blessings, Rhoni
QueenEsther
03-22-2007, 11:47 AM
When I am in love I am all together smitten and only think about and want to be with my man...I have no time for eating...just time for kissing. Love is a great weight control for me.:happydance
I think the Southbeach diet is great for daily living...and you can eat all you want...try that one...I'll do it with you! Gestational diabetes does not always lead to diabetes down the road...I rebuke that thought!:ignore
Blessings, Rhoni
That is my favorite diet!!! I did that one after my first pregnancy and I did really well on it.
Thank you! I am rebuking that thought also!! They just think I am high risk becayse my great grandpa had diabetes and since I developed gestational diabetes. But it won't hurt to try my best to stay healthy.
Margies3
03-22-2007, 12:16 PM
Explain to me the Southbeach Diet, will you please? It must be the ONLY diet I have not tried yet. So can you give me a capsulized version of how to do it?
Rhoni
03-22-2007, 02:22 PM
Explain to me the Southbeach Diet, will you please? It must be the ONLY diet I have not tried yet. So can you give me a capsulized version of how to do it?
Southbeach is also called "Modified Adkins" because the carb count is the most important but it lets you have more fruits and vegetables. It is a little slower, although not much and you can actually continue it for a lifestyle change.
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