A Pastor's Attire & Personal Grooming

[StMark]

1. Does the clothes makes the pastor believable or unbelievable as he stands before people ?

2. Is there anything a pastor could draw attention to himself rather then the message?

3.Do you think it is okay for the pastor to not wear a suit in the pulpit?

4.Is a pastor's authority is enhanced by his personal appearance?

5. Have you seen anything that's a turnoff ?


Any thoughts or input ?

[Pro31:28]

Ok, MY standards for a Pastor,

Does he/she have a close relationship with Jesus Christ?
Does he/she preach the truth?
Does he/she Love the flock?
Does he/she feed the flock?
Does he/she make a point of meeting with new members and new belivers?
Does he/she make time to fellowship with the saints?

[steve p]

1. Does the clothes makes the pastor believable or unbelievable as he stands before people ?

2. Is there anything a pastor could draw attention to himself rather then the message?

3.Do you think it is okay for the pastor to not wear a suit in the pulpit?

4.Is a pastor's authority is enhanced by his personal appearance?

5. Have you seen anything that's a turnoff ?


Any thoughts or input ?

6. Does his tie and sox match?

7. Boxers or briefs?

8. Were his clothes bought at J.C. Penny or Brooks Brothers?

9. Is this thread incredibly ridiculous?????

Geesh.............what about the car he drives or the house he lives in????


What does all this MATTER!!!!

[mizpeh]

6. Does his tie and sox match?

7. Boxers or briefs?

8. Were his clothes bought at J.C. Penny or Brooks Brothers?

9. Is this thread incredibly ridiculous?????

Geesh.............what about the car he drives or the house he lives in????


What does all this MATTER!!!!

Mark must have a subsciption to GQ!

[AmericanAngel]

1. Does the clothes makes the pastor believable or unbelievable as he stands before people ?

2. Is there anything a pastor could draw attention to himself rather then the message?

3.Do you think it is okay for the pastor to not wear a suit in the pulpit?

4.Is a pastor's authority is enhanced by his personal appearance?

5. Have you seen anything that's a turnoff ?


Any thoughts or input ?

1. No
2. hummm, maybe a blinking tie
3. Yes and yes!
4. What?? oh yuck.
5. Yes, these kinds of post! :bliss

[jaxfam6]

1. Does the clothes makes the pastor believable or unbelievable as he stands before people ? Maybe in some peoples eyes. Many would have been turned off by John the Baptists appearance I am sure.

2. Is there anything a pastor could do to draw attention to himself rather then the message? YES

3.Do you think it is okay for the pastor to not wear a suit in the pulpit? Well if it is wrong then my pastor is wrong. We do casual dress the entire summer. No suits, no ties. Pastor did ask that no one wear shorts or tank tops. =)

4.Is a pastor's authority enhanced by his personal appearance? I do not necessarily think his appearance enhances his authority as much a his attitude and personality.

5. Have you seen anything that's a turnoff ? OH YES

[Pro31:28]

6. Does his tie and sox match?

7. Boxers or briefs?

8. Were his clothes bought at J.C. Penny or Brooks Brothers?

9. Is this thread incredibly ridiculous?????

Geesh.............what about the car he drives or the house he lives in????


What does all this MATTER!!!!


:toofunny
I think alot of times these things are about impressing other preachers. But that could be judgementalism on my part. I think we should present ourselves well, but if you are more worried about what you are wearing than what you are preaching, there is a problem!

[Sherri]

Eddie comes across as much more accessible to people when he's NOT in a suit. Especially to heathens coming in. They feel like they can connect to him as he speaks; that he's not some high-and-mighty preacher. Their image of churchianity is often negative, and the casual look helps them to feel like they can fit.

[StillStanding]

I think a preacher at the pulpit with nothing but Speedo swimwear on would be a turnoff!

A preacher in shorts with black knee socks isn't appropriate attire.

[The Mrs]

I think a preacher at the pulpit with nothing but Speedo swimwear on would be a turnoff!

A preacher in shorts with black knee socks isn't appropriate attire.

How 'bout with white knee socks? Would that be okay? :gaga

[Sam]

This varies from church to church.

Some churches are quite formal and a clergy collar or robe would be appropriate for a minister in the pulpit.

Other churches are not as formal and a suit would be appropriate.

This is 2008. Men don't wear suits, ties, and hats to functions such as ball games anymore. Women don't wear a hat and gloves when they go out the door. Things are a lot more casual now.

I go to a church which is quite informal. Jeans, short sleeve blouses or shirts, Tee shirts, sandals, etc. are acceptable. I can teach midweek adult Bible Study in shorts, sandals, and a Tee shirt and it is no problem. I go to a church called The Hamilton Dream Center in Hamilton, Ohio.

Later this afternoon I am going to make two hospital calls. I will wear sandals, black jean shorts and a gray Tee shirt that says "Property of Jesus." The man I am to meet at the hospital, who is part of the Home and Hospital visitation team for the Vineyard Church, is a Spirit filled Roman Catholic who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit and loves the Lord. He will probably have on shorts also. He will bring his Bible which is a New Jerusalem Bible with a Roman Catholic imprimatur in it. I don't ordinarily bring a Bible on these visits because I use his. I don't know the people that I will be meeting, but we will talk with them, share Jesus with them, and pray with them. We will be representing the Vineyard Church and that attire is proper for a prayer team from there. We often make visits together and anoint people with oil according to James chapter 5 because we are elders in the Biblical sense (but not elected elders in a local congregation). Some times I tell people that he and I are a Roman Catholic and a Pentecostal and together we make a good team.

[Rico]

Eddie comes across as much more accessible to people when he's NOT in a suit. Especially to heathens coming in. They feel like they can connect to him as he speaks; that he's not some high-and-mighty preacher. Their image of churchianity is often negative, and the casual look helps them to feel like they can fit.

What?!?!?! You people actually allow heathens to come to your church? Have you two completely lost your minds??? :D

[Rico]

I think a preacher at the pulpit with nothing but Speedo swimwear on would be a turnoff!

A preacher in shorts with black knee socks isn't appropriate attire.

The women might like it! :D

[Cindy]

1. Does the clothes makes the pastor believable or unbelievable as he stands before people ?

2. Is there anything a pastor could draw attention to himself rather then the message?

3.Do you think it is okay for the pastor to not wear a suit in the pulpit?

4.Is a pastor's authority is enhanced by his personal appearance?

5. Have you seen anything that's a turnoff ?


Any thoughts or input ?

1. Believable about what?
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Sometimes
5. Not from my pastor's.

[Sam]

I think a preacher at the pulpit with nothing but Speedo swimwear on would be a turnoff!

A preacher in shorts with black knee socks isn't appropriate attire.

Well, this is my personal opinion but:

Unless you have the right body, a Speedo swim suit is not appropriate any where.

Shorts and black knee socks isn't appropriate for ordinary casual wear unless it is the uniform for some group. In Boy Scouts we wore khaki shorts with khaki knee socks as part of a summer uniform. This was half a century ago.

[StillStanding]

How 'bout with white knee socks? Would that be okay? :gaga

Your right, white doesn't work either! :toofunny

[StMark]

6. Does his tie and sox match?

7. Boxers or briefs?

8. Were his clothes bought at J.C. Penny or Brooks Brothers?

9. Is this thread incredibly ridiculous?????

Geesh.............what about the car he drives or the house he lives in????


What does all this MATTER!!!!



Geeee snap my head off!

[StMark]

Mark must have a subsciption to GQ!


No, why would you assume that just from asking
about pastoral attire?

[StMark]

This varies from church to church.

Some churches are quite formal and a clergy collar or robe would be appropriate for a minister in the pulpit.

Other churches are not as formal and a suit would be appropriate.

This is 2008. Men don't wear suits, ties, and hats to functions such as ball games anymore. Women don't wear a hat and gloves when they go out the door. Things are a lot more casual now.

I go to a church which is quite informal. Jeans, short sleeve blouses or shirts, Tee shirts, sandals, etc. are acceptable. I can teach midweek adult Bible Study in shorts, sandals, and a Tee shirt and it is no problem. I go to a church called The Hamilton Dream Center in Hamilton, Ohio.

Later this afternoon I am going to make two hospital calls. I will wear sandals, black jean shorts and a gray Tee shirt that says "Property of Jesus." The man I am to meet at the hospital, who is part of the Home and Hospital visitation team for the Vineyard Church, is a Spirit filled Roman Catholic who has been baptized in the Holy Spirit and loves the Lord. He will probably have on shorts also. He will bring his Bible which is a New Jerusalem Bible with a Roman Catholic imprimatur in it. I don't ordinarily bring a Bible on these visits because I use his. I don't know the people that I will be meeting, but we will talk with them, share Jesus with them, and pray with them. We will be representing the Vineyard Church and that attire is proper for a prayer team from there. We often make visits together and anoint people with oil according to James chapter 5 because we are elders in the Biblical sense (but not elected elders in a local congregation). Some times I tell people that he and I are a Roman Catholic and a Pentecostal and together we make a good team.


Jean shorts and a tank to do ministeral hospital visits ?????

[mizpeh]

No, why would you assume that just from asking
about pastoral attire?

The questions remind me of some of the stuff I read on the covers of magazines while waiting in the check out lines.

[StMark]

The questions remind me of some of the stuff I read on the covers of magazines while waiting in the check out lines.




Well, Do you and others think it's right for a pastor
to wear Blue Jeans and/or polo shirts or do you think
he should always look professional / Pentecostal ??


.

[mizpeh]

Well, Do you and others think it's right for a pastor
to wear Blue Jeans and/or polo shirts or do you think
he should always look professional / Pentecostal ??


.What is the Pentecostal look?

[StillStanding]

Well, Do you and others think it's right for a pastor
to wear Blue Jeans and/or polo shirts or do you think
he should always look professional / Pentecostal ??


.
I think a pastor should dress appropriately for the group he is trying to reach. The pastor would be dressed appropriate to wear jeans and a t-shirt when trying to reach juvenile delinquents. This would make the pastor appear more approachable and understanding of their culture.

[StMark]

I think a pastor should dress appropriately for the group he is trying to reach. The pastor would be dressed appropriate to wear jeans and a t-shirt when trying to reach juvenile delinquents. This would make the pastor appear more approachable and understanding of their culture.


what if they were gang members?? should he
wear baggy pants and backwardds ball cap?

[steve p]

"Well, Do you and others think it's right..... "

Who gives a rats behind WHAT I THINK!!!! It really doesnt matter what I THINK!

[The Mrs]

what if they were gang members?? should he
wear baggy pants and backwardds ball cap?

Yeah! And a tattoo and some grilles!!! :noidea

[StMark]

What is the Pentecostal look?


The Pentecostal look for the Pastor ??

CASUAL
long sleeve shirt ( light color, no dark)

shirt must be tucked in, rolled sleeves only in extreme heat
and only a couple of notches

Dark slacks no jeans

Dark shoes, no sandals or flip flops

hair is short and slicked down

UPC is no facial hair or Jewelry

[Sherri]

The Pentecostal look for the Pastor ??

CASUAL
long sleeve shirt ( light color, no dark)

shirt must be tucked in, rolled sleeves only in extreme heat
and only a couple of notches

Dark slacks no jeans

Dark shoes, no sandals or flip flops

hair is short and slicked down

UPC is no facial hair or Jewelry
Well, I guess Eddie doesn't have the "Pentecostal" look. I hope he just looks like a Christian.

[Cindy]

Eddie comes across as much more accessible to people when he's NOT in a suit. Especially to heathens coming in. They feel like they can connect to him as he speaks; that he's not some high-and-mighty preacher. Their image of churchianity is often negative, and the casual look helps them to feel like they can fit.

I didn't know there were heathens in Tennessee.
And you made up that churchianity didn't ya?





:D

[StMark]

Well, I guess Eddie doesn't have the "Pentecostal" look. I hope he just looks like a Christian.


would ya'll want to go to a doctor or lawyer or some
other professional that looked scraggely?

[StillStanding]

what if they were gang members?? should he
wear baggy pants and backwardds ball cap?
:toofunny That pastor would be more effective in reaching them than a pastor in a 3 piece suit and alligator shoes! :)

[Nahum]

A pastor must NOT be bald!!!!

How could he be well-groomed if he had no hair?!

[Cindy]

"Well, Do you and others think it's right..... "

Who gives a rats behind WHAT I THINK!!!! It really doesnt matter what I THINK!

Now, now steve p, don't get cranky you might end up on Mark's bad list.:D

[Sherri]

would ya'll want to go to a doctor or lawyer or some
other professional that looked scraggely?Oh my, Eddie has NEVER in his life looked SCRAGGLY. That's hilarious! He is very much a perfectionist.

[Sherri]

I didn't know there were heathens in Tennessee.
And you made up that churchianity didn't ya?





:D
LOTS and LOTS of heathens in Tennessee! And yes I made up that word.:toofunny

[mizpeh]

would ya'll want to go to a doctor or lawyer or some
other professional that looked scraggely?

Mark, are you sure you haven't been reading GQ or Cosmo while in the checkout line?

[StMark]

Mark, are you sure you haven't been reading GQ or Cosmo while in the checkout line?


No why ?

[Cindy]

The Pentecostal look for the Pastor ??

CASUAL
long sleeve shirt ( light color, no dark)

shirt must be tucked in, rolled sleeves only in extreme heat
and only a couple of notches

Dark slacks no jeans

Dark shoes, no sandals or flip flops

hair is short and slicked down

UPC is no facial hair or Jewelry


???????????? Whut?

[Michael Phelps]

would ya'll want to go to a doctor or lawyer or some
other professional that looked scraggely?

If I was sick, and went to the doctor, I really wouldn't care what he was wearing, as long as he had the cure.

Same with an attorney, I don't care what he wears, as long as he can help me with my legal issues.

I doubt that lost and hurting people really care too much what a pastor wears, as long as he has the words of life.

Now, if you have a bunch of prim, proper, Apostolicized saints who really don't need anything, but just want to find fault, maybe THEY care what the pastor wears........

[StMark]

???????????? Whut?


what part don't you understand ???

[mizpeh]

???????????? Whut?I was thinking, "Whut, no tie"?

[Michael Phelps]

The Pentecostal look for the Pastor ??

CASUAL
long sleeve shirt ( light color, no dark)

shirt must be tucked in, rolled sleeves only in extreme heat
and only a couple of notches

Dark slacks no jeans

Dark shoes, no sandals or flip flops

hair is short and slicked down

UPC is no facial hair or Jewelry

This would be funny if it were a joke........sadly, I believe he's serious.

[Cindy]

what part don't you understand ???

I don't understand any of it. My pastor is UPC and he doesn't dress like that.

Good grief, that doesn't work everywhere Mark.

[mizpeh]

No why ?

Where do you come up with this stuff? Those mags always have things about what you should wear to the office, what you should wear on a date, what you should wear in the bedroom, etc....

Why do we have to be like each other? Why can't we wear clothes that honor God without having to fit into a mold?

[Cindy]

This would be funny if it were a joke........sadly, I believe he's serious.

It boggles my mind. What if he's mowing the church's lawn, how does he dress?

[StMark]

I was thinking, "Whut, no tie"?



The everyday look in public

[Michael Phelps]

It boggles my mind. What if he's mowing the church's lawn, how does he dress?

Well, I personally know a pastor who believes that a preacher should wear a tie at all times. So, even when he's working on the church, i.e., putting a new roof on it, he's in a shirt and tie!

[StMark]

This would be funny if it were a joke........sadly, I believe he's serious.



Mike you was in UPC
you are telling me that I'm not correctly describing
a conservative pastor's public appearance ?

[Ron]

I am still old fashioned in that a suit & tie best represents the Pastor in a formal Church setting, including a white shirt.

In an informal meeting such as picnic, work day, or a prayer meeting, it is okay for casual wear.

JMO

[StMark]

It boggles my mind. What if he's mowing the church's lawn, how does he dress?


Cindy, I was describing what a pastor should wear when
doing ministry in the public eye, say for instance a hospital
visit or such NOT mowing the grass

[Michael Phelps]

Mike you was in UPC
you are telling me that I'm not correctly describing
a conservative pastor's public appearance ?

I'm telling you that saying a pastor shouldn't wear a light colored shirt and should have his hair "slicked down" is ridiculous.

[Cindy]

I was thinking, "Whut, no tie"?

:toofunny

[Cindy]

Well, I personally know a pastor who believes that a preacher should wear a tie at all times. So, even when he's working on the church, i.e., putting a new roof on it, he's in a shirt and tie!

Not in Texas I hope. Ugh in the summer. I will say back in the 60's our pastor helped actually dig my grandmother's grave and he did take off his suit jacket and tie and worked in his shirt sleeves. And it was hard work, a lot of rock and stuff to break up with just shovels and pickaxes. Didn't take anything away from him being our pastor. He was an humble man. and I know some don't like the term but he was a true man of God.
So Mark your list of do's and dont's should depend on circumstances too.

[Pro31:28]

:toofunny That pastor would be more effective in reaching them than a pastor in a 3 piece suit and alligator shoes! :)

Not to mention he probably wouldn't be able to take his alligator shoes, watch or wallet with him when he left :toofunny

[Encryptus]

Well, I personally know a pastor who believes that a preacher should wear a tie at all times. So, even when he's working on the church, i.e., putting a new roof on it, he's in a shirt and tie!

Unfortunately the last one I personally knew of that mindset was having an affair with an underage girl. :-(

I admire those with high personal standards, and I do think too many disparaging remarks are made about them here.

But when those high personal standards are projected onto others as salvation issues it takes the first steps towards legalism, which often leads to a double life.

[Cindy]

Cindy, I was describing what a pastor should wear when
doing ministry in the public eye, say for instance a hospital
visit or such NOT mowing the grass

Okay Mark, that is why I said it depends on circumstances and situations. I understand now. Disregard some of my ealier posts then.....lol

[Cindy]

Not to mention he probably wouldn't be able to take his alligator shoes, watch or wallet with him when he left :toofunny

:toofunny

[StillStanding]

Not to mention he probably wouldn't be able to take his alligator shoes, watch or wallet with him when he left :toofunny
That and a severe wedgey! :toofunny

[rgcraig]

When I had my knee surgery I had a pastor visit me with casual pants and shirt and a baseball hat - - his prayers were just as accepted!

[Pro31:28]

Unfortunately the last one I personally knew of that mindset was having an affair with an underage girl. :-(

I admire those with high personal standards, and I do think too many disparaging remarks are made about them here.

But when those high personal standards are projected onto others as salvation issues it takes the first steps towards legalism, which often leads to a double life.

I remember when we were in Bible College the rule of thumb for ministry was to always dress your best according to the situation. Of course in Bible College the men had to wear their suit coat at all times unless the teacher removed his (or a female teacher gave permission...)

As a teacher at a school, I feel that I have to represent my position in the way I dress,we are not allowed to wear denim unless there is something going on that would require getting "dirty" like a field day or something. We also are not allowed to wear open-toed shoes or flip flops. I don't have a problem with this dress code for work, but I have been known to take my students out for lunch on Saturdays, or attend their concerts (the praise band at school plays for a local 'club' and they sing worship music). In those situations, I dress according to the event...
But this is all IMHO....

[jaxfam6]

would ya'll want to go to a doctor or lawyer or some
other professional that looked scraggely?

One of the best Doc's I ever met wore shorts and t's with sandals all the time. I do not care how he looks as long as he KNOWS what he or she is doing.
In other words, can this guy feed me spiritually? Can I trust him? Does he show GOD's love to everyone? I could care less about the cut of the suit, the make of his shoes, the style of his hair. So many Pentecostals today would not be able to deal with the likes of John the Baptist, Peter, James, Paul, and even Jesus himself. Their robes would not have been clean enough, they would have smelled like fish, their sandals are not the lastest fashion, etc etc

[Pro31:28]

That and a severe wedgey! :toofunny

:toofunny
If he is lucky!

[jaxfam6]

Well, I personally know a pastor who believes that a preacher should wear a tie at all times. So, even when he's working on the church, i.e., putting a new roof on it, he's in a shirt and tie!

IMHO
that is as vain as a woman who will not leave her home without her makeup on. And I would bet he preachers against that too.
His decision but I think it is silliness

[mizpeh]

Well, I personally know a pastor who believes that a preacher should wear a tie at all times. So, even when he's working on the church, i.e., putting a new roof on it, he's in a shirt and tie!

Does he think he would be lost without the tie and does he preach that all men should wear ties as a holiness requirement?

[Balanced]

The Pentecostal look for the Pastor ??

CASUAL
long sleeve shirt ( light color, no dark)

shirt must be tucked in, rolled sleeves only in extreme heat
and only a couple of notches

Dark slacks no jeans

Dark shoes, no sandals or flip flops

hair is short and slicked down

UPC is no facial hair or Jewelry

WOW!
I consider myself pretty conservative, but not quite that much.

I was at a WPF youth camp this week and there were several WPF pastors that didn't match your criteria. One was wearing a long sleeve dark t-shirt, untucked, wind pants and tennis shoes. Several had on jeans and they all had their sleeves rolled up.

[jaxfam6]

WOW!
I consider myself pretty conservative, but not quite that much.

I was at a WPF youth camp this week and there were several WPF pastors that didn't match your criteria. One was wearing a long sleeve dark t-shirt, untucked, wind pants and tennis shoes. Several had on jeans and they all had their sleeves rolled up.

anything at a youth camp is not valid
sorta like what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas
what happens at youth camp stays at youth camp

[Michael Phelps]

Does he think he would be lost without the tie and does he preach that all men should wear ties as a holiness requirement?

No, he didn't go that far. But, he does require all of the men on his staff (which is dwinding) to wear ties at all times.

But, lately, I understand that he's loosened up a bit, at the church picnic they don't have to wear them.

Of course, this is the same pastor who has all of his saints sign another covenant that they won't engage in certain, er, shall we say marital activities?:bliss

[StMark]

WOW!
I consider myself pretty conservative, but not quite that much.

I was at a WPF youth camp this week and there were several WPF pastors that didn't match your criteria. One was wearing a long sleeve dark t-shirt, untucked, wind pants and tennis shoes. Several had on jeans and they all had their sleeves rolled up.

Maybe I should have put "Business Casual" ??
I was giving the more old fashioned version of my father's era
when he would go to on hospital visits or meet the banker, things
like that. I still think a Pastor ought to present himself in a
professional manner when it calls for it .

[Ron]

No, he didn't go that far. But, he does require all of the men on his staff (which is dwinding) to wear ties at all times.

But, lately, I understand that he's loosened up a bit, at the church picnic they don't have to wear them.

Of course, this is the same pastor who has all of his saints sign another covenant that they won't engage in certain, er, shall we say marital activities?:bliss

Pardon me, but that is nobody's business if they aren't committing adultery, fornication, or homosexuality!!!!

[Rhoni]

1. Does the clothes makes the pastor believable or unbelievable as he stands before people ? NO

2. Is there anything a pastor could draw attention to himself rather then the message? Probably

3.Do you think it is okay for the pastor to not wear a suit in the pulpit?
Absolutely

4.Is a pastor's authority is enhanced by his personal appearance?
Christ was recognized by the power and authority by which he spoke - not by what he wore.

5. Have you seen anything that's a turnoff ?
begging for money


Any thoughts or input ?
Some things change but most stay the same. Solomon tells us there is nothing new under the sun. AMEN

[Michael Phelps]

Pardon me, but that is nobody's business if they aren't committing adultery, fornication, or homosexuality!!!!

You are preaching to the choir here, Brother!

This man has had a "revelation" and the scripture he uses to back it is laughable.

[StMark]

One of the best Doc's I ever met wore shorts and t's with sandals all the time. I do not care how he looks as long as he KNOWS what he or she is doing.
In other words, can this guy feed me spiritually? Can I trust him? Does he show GOD's love to everyone? I could care less about the cut of the suit, the make of his shoes, the style of his hair. So many Pentecostals today would not be able to deal with the likes of John the Baptist, Peter, James, Paul, and even Jesus himself. Their robes would not have been clean enough, they would have smelled like fish, their sandals are not the lastest fashion, etc etc



Appearance does matter in the professional world jax.

for most people, if a doctor, judege,lawyer, priest, pastor, came
out looking like they play for motely crew, most would frown
on it and be turned off.

[StillStanding]

Mark, I think I understand what you are trying to say. The problem is that the world is changing before our eyes. The only people who are wearing suits and ties these days are "professional" people such as bankers and corporate execs.

Should a pastor always look "professional" and be separated from the average person, or should he dress more casual so that he appears more approachable to the average person?

[jaxfam6]

would ya'll want to go to a doctor or lawyer or some
other professional that looked scraggely?

Appearance does matter in the professional world jax.

for most people, if a doctor, judege,lawyer, priest, pastor, came
out looking like they play for motely crew, most would frown
on it and be turned off.

but you did not ask if it was a matter of professional appearance you asked if 'ya'll want to go to" and I made my comments.

I personally have no problem with rather he is dressed to fit a 'code' I want to know what he knows and if he can feed me spiritually.

[StMark]

Mark, I think I understand what you are trying to say. The problem is that the world is changing before our eyes. The only people who are wearing suits and ties these days are "professional" people such as bankers and corporate execs.

Should a pastor always look "professional" and be separated from the average person, or should he dress more casual so that he appears more approachable to the average person?

PM,

I'm not talking about the average lay person here.
I'm talking about pulpit attire and pastoral apparrel

[mizpeh]

PM,

I'm not talking about the average lay person here.
I'm talking about pulpit attire and pastoral apparrel

A suit coat is not necessary. Visitors will not be put out if a pastor is not wearing a suit coat and tie. The church folk who are use to that type of clothing and expect it may be put out but sinners won't care.

[StillStanding]

PM,

I'm not talking about the average lay person here.
I'm talking about pulpit attire and pastoral apparrel
I find that the older preachers tend to always wear a coat and tie in the pulpit because that's how it's always been and they have no desire to change anything.

The younger pastors are not afraid to dress more casual. I see nothing wrong with that!

Would you prefer that both put on clerical robes on top of what they're wearing to separate themselves?

[StMark]

I find that the older preachers tend to always wear a coat and tie in the pulpit because that's how it's always been and they have no desire to change anything.

The younger pastors are not afraid to dress more casual. I see nothing wrong with that!

Would you prefer that both put on clerical robes on top of what they're wearing to separate themselves?



your pastors do!

[StillStanding]

your pastors do!

They only wear clerical robes for special traditional events like our Christmas Eve Service and Graduation Sunday when they have all of the High School and College graduates come up front. That is the exception rather than the rule! :)

For weddings, they give the young couple a choice of the pastor wearing a suit or robe. Our children chose a suit!

[StillStanding]

This thread made me think. The older pastors probably shook their heads in disbelief when the younger pastors chose to wear just a suit and tie instead of the traditional cleric robe! Some things never change! :)

[StMark]

This thread made me think. The older pastors probably shook their heads in disbelief when the younger pastors chose to wear just a suit and tie instead of the traditional cleric robe! Some things never change! :)


That never happend in Pentecost

the mainline churches still wear robes.

PAW adopted them later on

[Jermyn Davidson]

I think a Preacher can use his attire to send a message to the congregation.

[StillStanding]

That never happend in Pentecost

the mainline churches still wear robes.

PAW adopted them later on

Dan Scott explained it one time that a majority of the black preachers in the early days of the Pentecostal movement came out of the Methodist church. That is why they continued to wear the robes that they were accustomed to wearing at the time. Many still do even today!

[Sherri]

This just cracks me up.............can you see Jesus in a suit and tie? I think he dressed just like everyone else in his time.

[Balanced]

The Pentecostal look for the Pastor ??

CASUAL
long sleeve shirt ( light color, no dark)

shirt must be tucked in, rolled sleeves only in extreme heat
and only a couple of notches

Dark slacks no jeans

Dark shoes, no sandals or flip flops

hair is short and slicked down

UPC is no facial hair or Jewelry


Cindy, I was describing what a pastor should wear when
doing ministry in the public eye, say for instance a hospital
visit or such NOT mowing the grass


Maybe I should have put "Business Casual" ??
I was giving the more old fashioned version of my father's era
when he would go to on hospital visits or meet the banker, things
like that. I still think a Pastor ought to present himself in a
professional manner when it calls for it .


I saw the second quote after I posted.

"Business Casual" would have been more clear to me.

My pastor would usually fit that description in the instance given. ie. hospital visit

But for me personally Business Casual would be a little more casual. The shirt may be a dark color or stripes, it may be short sleeve or even a polo. The pants may be khaki and I never slick down my hair.

I think a lot of it is generational. My former pastor who past away recently, alway wore a white shirt and tie, even when working in the yard. My current pastor will wear jeans when in the yard and wind pants and a long sleeve t-shirt when playing softball. The young ministers in our church wear short sleeves and polos.

Things change.

[Pressing-On]

This just cracks me up.............can you see Jesus in a suit and tie? I think he dressed just like everyone else in his time.
Sherri,
Probably because they didn't wear a suit and tie back then, ya think? I mean how could he if that's not what they wore, knew how to sew, never heard of a suit and tie? Just messin' with you here. :D

I think whatever the congregation is comfortable with, is what they should do and we shouldn't look down on people who desire to dress up more or vice versa.

[Brad Murphy]

That never happend in Pentecost

the mainline churches still wear robes.

PAW adopted them later on

I thought Pentecost had been around since Christ's time? :)

[Rico]

I'm telling you that saying a pastor shouldn't wear a light colored shirt and should have his hair "slicked down" is ridiculous.

I think the whole idea of deciding what a pastor should or shouldn't wear is ridiculous. This laundry list of Mark's just proves how shallow some people can be.

[steve p]

Hmmmmmmmmm I wonder if Jesus slicked his hair down...........

[mizpeh]

Hmmmmmmmmm I wonder if Jesus slicked his hair down...........

It's a cultural thing. If Jesus lived in the US today, He would dress like every other Pentecostal preacher, right? :gaga

[steve p]

It's a cultural thing. If Jesus lived in the US today, He would dress like every other Pentecostal preacher, right? :gaga

Maybe he would dress like a catholic priest?...or even an episcopal priest!

[mizpeh]

Maybe he would dress like a catholic priest?...or even an episcopal priest!

Or maybe like HarleyPreacher? :bliss

[steve p]

Or maybe like HarleyPreacher? :bliss

What if he had tattoos?!?!?!?!?!!?:happydance

[mizpeh]

What if he had tattoos?!?!?!?!?!!?:happydance

Won't happen~ Jesus is a Jew, no tatoos allowed. But he would drink wine with his meal and have a beard.

[Sam]

This just cracks me up.............can you see Jesus in a suit and tie? I think he dressed just like everyone else in his time.

Obviously you don't have a Bible with photographs in it.
In the better Bibles available through Apostolic/Pentecosal web sites there are pictures of Jesus and the Apostles and every one of them had on a three piece black suit, white shirt (no cuff links), black slim necktie, black alligator shoes with black laces, and a belt with no visible metal buckle. Also, it was easily seen that none of them wore earrings, finger rings, nose rings, or wrist watches, and that none of them had any facial hair or tattoos and that their hair did not touch their ears or collar.

Folks, these men are the pioneers of the New Testament Church and we need to emulate them and not conform to the "casual" dress codes of the world.

[Cindy]

When I had my knee surgery I had a pastor visit me with casual pants and shirt and a baseball hat - - his prayers were just as accepted!

Yes, that is great Renda. A suit is not always required I don't think.

[Pastor Keith]

1. Does the clothes makes the pastor believable or unbelievable as he stands before people ?

2. Is there anything a pastor could draw attention to himself rather then the message?

3.Do you think it is okay for the pastor to not wear a suit in the pulpit?

4.Is a pastor's authority is enhanced by his personal appearance?

5. Have you seen anything that's a turnoff ?


Any thoughts or input ?

I think that a pastor should wear Ferragamo Shoes, a hand tailored Brioni Suit, a Rolex Watch, a $100 tie and drive a luxury Car.

After all he is the visible representative of God on the earth and therefore he needs and requires the very best that money can buy!

Anything less is sinful.

[AmazingGrace]

I think that a pastor should wear Ferragamo Shoes, a hand tailored Brioni Suit, a Rolex Watch, a $100 tie and drive a luxury Car.

After all he is the visible representative of God on the earth and therefore he needs and requires the very best that money can buy!

Anything less is sinful.

Keith sad thing is. I know one pastor who his wife felt they should live that way and in a very small church of about 50 and she had to carry nothing but LV or Coach purses... dresses no less that 200 dollars an outfit (dressed at SAKS or Neimans all the time) she would buy him the most expensive suits she could find and shoes too...The kids had to have the best designer duds too He ended up working 2 jobs and she had to go back to work and well.. the church no longer exists either!

Prime example of living beyond what is necessary or beyond ones means!

[Ron]

When I had my knee surgery I had a pastor visit me with casual pants and shirt and a baseball hat - - his prayers were just as accepted!

Renda, I don't think it is a matter of God hearing prayers or not.
It is I think, a matter of professionalism in the way that we appear.

When I go to my doctor & get treated, he can do it in a pair of cut offs and a tank top, but I much prefer him showing forth a professional image!

[Sherri]

When I had my knee surgery I had a pastor visit me with casual pants and shirt and a baseball hat - - his prayers were just as accepted!Just so you all will know, this was not Eddie. He hates baseball caps.:toofunny

[Sherri]

Obviously you don't have a Bible with photographs in it.
In the better Bibles available through Apostolic/Pentecosal web sites there are pictures of Jesus and the Apostles and every one of them had on a three piece black suit, white shirt (no cuff links), black slim necktie, black alligator shoes with black laces, and a belt with no visible metal buckle. Also, it was easily seen that none of them wore earrings, finger rings, nose rings, or wrist watches, and that none of them had any facial hair or tattoos and that their hair did not touch their ears or collar.

Folks, these men are the pioneers of the New Testament Church and we need to emulate them and not conform to the "casual" dress codes of the world.Well, I guess I will have to stick with my good old version. Jesus didn't tell anyone what to wear in it.

[SOUNWORTHY]

would ya'll want to go to a doctor or lawyer or some
other professional that looked scraggely?

Mark, I hope you are serious cause I agree with you. Problem is; we have began to think we have to look and act like the world to reach the world. From our music to our dress. That doesn't mean a pastor has to dress as a professional away from ministerial duties but he should look professional when he goes to the hospital to pray for someone or while in the pulpit. I attend two UPC churches and in both the pastors are professional and the churches are from good size to big and both are growing. Contrary to poplar belief the world is looking for something different, not more of what they already have. I teach teenagers and always wear a tie while in the class room and am very much accepted by my students.

[Rhoni]

Depends on the audience.

[Cindy]

I have decided to follow Jesus anyway. No matter what anyone wears or doesn't wear.

[Jack Shephard]

Mark, I hope you are serious cause I agree with you. Problem is; we have began to think we have to look and act like the world to reach the world. From our music to our dress. That doesn't mean a pastor has to dress as a professional away from ministerial duties but he should look professional when he goes to the hospital to pray for someone or while in the pulpit. I attend two UPC churches and in both the pastors are professional and the churches are from good size to big and both are growing. Contrary to poplar belief the world is looking for something different, not more of what they already have. I teach teenagers and always wear a tie while in the class room and am very much accepted by my students.

You know what you are close to hitting on a hot button here. People in the 'world' are looking for something different. I believe they are looking for people similar enough to themselves. People are not looking for the prototypical stained glass churches. They are looking for something so different, but practical. There are some looking for traditional churches, but I do not think in this world today that this is the norm. A lot of the people I am talking to are looking for a change. Like I say they are looking for real people just like themselves, but that have experienced a change. They are looking people similar to themselves. Nothing wrong with dressing up and dressing in the best. It serves a purpose. I think that too many are just hungry for something and they really don't care about the look, but they care about the nutrition. Have you ever been soooo hungry that you almost didn't care what you ate you jusdt had to have something?

[SOUNWORTHY]

WOW!
I consider myself pretty conservative, but not quite that much.

I was at a WPF youth camp this week and there were several WPF pastors that didn't match your criteria. One was wearing a long sleeve dark t-shirt, untucked, wind pants and tennis shoes. Several had on jeans and they all had their sleeves rolled up.

I knew they would go to the dogs if they left UPC.:happydance

I don't think we are talking about camp meetings and church picnics but while on duty as a pastor as a pastor.

[SOUNWORTHY]

You know what you are close to hitting on a hot button here. People in the 'world' are looking for something different. I believe they are looking for people similar enough to themselves. People are not looking for the prototypical stained glass churches. They are looking for something so different, but practical. There are some looking for traditional churches, but I do not think in this world today that this is the norm. A lot of the people I am talking to are looking for a change. Like I say they are looking for real people just like themselves, but that have experienced a change. They are looking people similar to themselves. Nothing wrong with dressing up and dressing in the best. It serves a purpose. I think that too many are just hungry for something and they really don't care about the look, but they care about the nutrition. Have you ever been soooo hungry that you almost didn't care what you ate you jusdt had to have something?

I have found that those sloppy in their dress are sometimes if not usually sloppy in their standards and their walk with God. If they are close to the world in their personal appearance they are close to the world in other areas of their life.

[Jack Shephard]

I have found that those sloppy in their dress are sometimes if not usually sloppy in their standards and their walk with God. If they are close to the world in their personal appearance they are close to the world in other areas of their life.

Are you assuming this or are you only going by maybe 1 example? This is not even close to being accurate with the people I know. I know a few that wear very nice suits and yet they are nasty and very close to world. I think that dress has very little or nothing to do with how worldly you are. When you here the preacher in church talk about the 'world' they are talking about the spirit, feeling or an aire. It is not talk about the look. If they are talking only about the look the preacher has NO CLUE what the 'world' really is.

Fairly recent at the UPC church I attend the pastor brought me in and told me I need to dress nicer. For anyone that really know me you would know I worked in the fashion and clothing industry for almost a decade. I know how to dress. What he was getting at was he wants me to wear dress clothing or a suit at best. I told him I would try, but the fact is before he told me this I still looked nicer than half the people there and my spirit was and is right. Dress has very little if anything to do with living right.

[Jack Shephard]

Not directing this at anyone. This is just a statement. I think that it is laughable that dress somehow translates to salvation or being right with God. Obviously modesty is important. No one can look the same after an experience with Christ. Having said that it is impossible for dress alone or a standard of dress to affect one salvation. After salvation there are things that we ought not wear, but it is up to God to tell me. It is not up to a preacher to regulate my life. I will give up everything that God does not want for me. If I have a relationship with God as I should He will lead me to where He wants me. I may not look how some one wants me, but I do look how God wants me to. I will respect that I am asked to dress nicer, but I am not doing it because it affects my salvation. IF salvation is based upon dress code, then only a handful can and will be saved. God help us all.

[Neck]

1. Does the clothes makes the pastor believable or unbelievable as he stands before people ?

2. Is there anything a pastor could draw attention to himself rather then the message?

3.Do you think it is okay for the pastor to not wear a suit in the pulpit?

4.Is a pastor's authority is enhanced by his personal appearance?

5. Have you seen anything that's a turnoff ?


Any thoughts or input ?

I have always had a problem with a minister telling me how to live.

When he stands 350 lbs and sweating in the pulpit.

The clothes do not make the preacher.

My dad one time back in the 196o.

Flew to California and his luggage never made it.

He started preaching a 1 week revival.

It turned out to be 10 weeks and over 100 new converts were baptized.

It was week 8 when one of the new converts took him shopping and got him 2 suits.

Suits that he actually needed.

[Jack Shephard]

I have always had a problem with a minister telling me how to live.

When he stands 350 lbs and sweating in the pulpit.

The clothes do not make the preacher.

My dad one time back in the 196o.

Flew to California and his luggage never made it.

He started preaching a 1 week revival.

It turned out to be 10 weeks and over 100 new converts were baptized.

It was week 8 when one of the new converts took him shopping and got him 2 suits.

Suits that he actually needed.

Good story. I remember a pastor from IN that came to visit my pastor asked him to preach all he had with him were jeans and a polo shirt. He had come down to help his in-laws move there to where he lived. He preached in a polo, jeans and a pair of Nike shoes. It was really, really good!

[Cindy]

I have found that those sloppy in their dress are sometimes if not usually sloppy in their standards and their walk with God. If they are close to the world in their personal appearance they are close to the world in other areas of their life.

The truth is so hard for some to recognize. But I believe you are speaking too close to comfort for some.

[Cindy]

Are you assuming this or are you only going by maybe 1 example? This is not even close to being accurate with the people I know. I know a few that wear very nice suits and yet they are nasty and very close to world. I think that dress has very little or nothing to do with how worldly you are. When you here the preacher in church talk about the 'world' they are talking about the spirit, feeling or an aire. It is not talk about the look. If they are talking only about the look the preacher has NO CLUE what the 'world' really is.

Fairly recent at the UPC church I attend the pastor brought me in and told me I need to dress nicer. For anyone that really know me you would know I worked in the fashion and clothing industry for almost a decade. I know how to dress. What he was getting at was he wants me to wear dress clothing or a suit at best. I told him I would try, but the fact is before he told me this I still looked nicer than half the people there and my spirit was and is right. Dress has very little if anything to do with living right.

What do you wear to church if that isn't too personal? Some people wear what they can afford.

[Jack Shephard]

What do you wear to church if that isn't too personal? Some people wear what they can afford.

If I wore what I could afford I wouldn't go cause I'd be naked...lol. Used to wear suits before I lost my weight now not alot of things fit. But when I was asked to start dressing better I was wearing dressy jeans and a dress shirt and dress shoes. Real fashionable. It was kinda like what you see some of the TV preachers wear. Might be why he asked me to dress better. lol

[Cindy]

If I wore what I could afford I wouldn't go cause I'd be naked...lol. Used to wear suits before I lost my weight now not alot of things fit. But when I was asked to start dressing better I was wearing dressy jeans and a dress shirt and dress shoes. Real fashionable. It was kinda like what you see some of the TV preachers wear. Might be why he asked me to dress better. lol

lol I know that's right.

Wow, that seems kind of fussy to me though. If your clothes are clean and in good repair what difference does it make.

[Jack Shephard]

lol I know that's right.

Wow, that seems kind of fussy to me though. If your clothes are clean and in good repair what difference does it make.

I agree. I used to be the youth pastor at this church a few years ago. When I was the leader there I once wore and outfit to the sunday morning sunday school class that I taught to 15 yrs-18 yr olds. I wore jeans a dressy tee shirt and a blazer coat. I was told that was not appropriate and that he kids would not put their trust in me cause of how I looked and it would hender my relationship with them. I changed the way I dressed. The funny thing was that the kids told me thy liked it cause I was more relaxed and on their level cause I was dressed down.

[Pressing-On]

I'm wearing a black and cream colored suit with black heels. I'm not too dressy because I'm not going to re-do my hair. I wore it down this morning and now I have it piled on my head and it looks messy!!!! Loving that since the secular world wear their hair messy and uncombed! :D

I'll be ministering to both church and visitors dressed like this!

See ya'll!

:bliss:bliss

[Cindy]

I'm wearing a black and cream colored suit with black heels. I'm not too dressy because I'm not going to re-do my hair. I wore it down this morning and now I have it piled on my head and it looks messy!!!! Loving that since the secular world wear their hair messy and uncombed! :D

I'll be ministering to both church and visitors dressed like this!

See ya'll!

:bliss:bliss

You just ain't right woman!!!!!!

:gaga

[Pressing-On]

You just ain't right woman!!!!!!

:gaga

I'm wearing bedroom hair to church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

[Cindy]

I'm wearing bedroom hair to church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:toofunny :toofunny :toofunny

:reaction

[Pastor Keith]

Keith sad thing is. I know one pastor who his wife felt they should live that way and in a very small church of about 50 and she had to carry nothing but LV or Coach purses... dresses no less that 200 dollars an outfit (dressed at SAKS or Neimans all the time) she would buy him the most expensive suits she could find and shoes too...The kids had to have the best designer duds too He ended up working 2 jobs and she had to go back to work and well.. the church no longer exists either!

Prime example of living beyond what is necessary or beyond ones means!

Clothes either make or break a man. Well at least in people's heads.

Case in point, I prayed for a lady some time back, God did a wonderful work of delieverance in her life, a short time ago I ran into her and we talked a litttle in the Post Office, she shared how much that mean to her and how that she was able to share it with friends, family and fellow saints.

One thing she said that illustrated how much stumbling our beliefs around these issue can cause. She told me that my words and prayers were most helpful and it was remarkable more so because at the time I was wearing Jeans when I prayed for her.

[mizpeh]

Clothes either make or break a man. Well at least in people's heads.

Case in point, I prayed for a lady some time back, God did a wonderful work of delieverance in her life, a short time ago I ran into her and we talked a litttle in the Post Office, she shared how much that mean to her and how that she was able to share it with friends, family and fellow saints.

One thing she said that illustrated how much stumbling our beliefs around these issue can cause. She told me that my words and prayers were most helpful and it was remarkable more so because at the time I was wearing Jeans when I prayed for her.

Keith, was she a Oneness Pentecostal?

[Pressing-On]

:reaction
Because I wanted to sleep during the service!!! :gaga

:bliss

[Cindy]

Because I wanted to sleep during the service!!! :gaga

:bliss

You still ain't right.

:toofunny :toofunny

[Pressing-On]

You still ain't right.

:toofunny :toofunny

Why do you keep saying that?!!!!!!!!!!!! :thwak

I never said I wuz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :toofunny

[Cindy]

Why do you keep saying that?!!!!!!!!!!!! :thwak

I never said I wuz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :toofunny

It has just become more noticeable on a few threads............:crazywalls

[Pressing-On]

It has just become more noticeable on a few threads............:crazywalls

It's just cause you got to know me more better! :gaga

[Cindy]

It's just cause you got to know me more better! :gaga

Must be all that time spent on the bus........:gaga

:bliss :bliss

[Pressing-On]

Must be all that time spent on the bus........:gaga

:bliss :bliss

Yes, I miss the bus!!! :friend

Are we hijacking this thread? :killinme

[Cindy]

Yes, I miss the bus!!! :friend

Are we hijacking this thread? :killinme

Yep, but it doesn't matter Mark started this thread anyway......Now I will be re-enlisted on his list..............:toofunny

[jaxfam6]

I keep seeing this thread and have decided today that I think a pastor's attire and grooming should have to include a monthly fea dip, a poodle cut, and a studded leather choker.

[harleypreacher]

Or maybe like HarleyPreacher? :bliss

I only dress like a biker when I'm on my motorcycle. I do have golfing shirts that I wear when I golf. I have suits snd ties that I wear to church conferences with my REAL Rolex, getting to the point I can careless about being cute for conferences these day, tired of cute church. When I'm in the pulpit on Sunday, no tie, I hate ties. I have been hanging out with other church organizations the last few years and I think the UPC is the only ones still wearing ties, goes back to the 50's, we're good at hanging on to the styles of the the 40's and 50's, seem to be alot holier back then. So some days I dress like a preacher, some days I dress like a biker and some days I dress like a golfer, I just try and fit in to the culture I'm hanging with. It's easy for men to do that. Why do preachers think they have to wear ties all the time?

Ok one more thing, who design the coat and tie, God or man?