Maybe it is time to move on?

[Steve Epley]

It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.

[freeatlast]

First COOP....now you?

You will reamin in my thoughts and prayers Elder.

[Rhymis]

It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.

My sentiments exactly. I often scan threads here and more and more there is an overwhelming mockery of things I hold godly. I doubt that I will even stop to read anymore--much less post.

[Carpenter]

It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.


The dynamic you are experiencing is similar to the frustration I was feeling last night. There are times when only a handful of people are on the forum and those handfuls are of the same ilk, so they create post after post after post and thread simply piling on agreeing with one another. Conservatives and liberals do the same thing.

I was told something just yesterday by a Pastor that YOU know, and it shocked me. The confusion on my face caused him to say it a second time, and frankly I am still trying to reconcile it.

He said, "The word of God is not God." I understand having a knowledge of scripture and lack the power behind it, but he was almost relating that the spirit is stronger than the word. It was pretty scary in fact, because I was lamenting that kids nowadays have no knowledge of scripture. He was saying it is more important that these kids have a more spiritual conscience than a conscience toward the word.


People say all kinds of dumb stuff...let them, but don't deprive those of us who drink in and absorb what you have to say, and choose to argue once in a while on the basis of scripture.

[HeavenlyOne]

I am one of those who appreciates the posts of all sides of the coin, as I learn and grow from those I read. I hope neither of you abandon this place. I'm one of those who needs your input.

[Carpenter]

I am one of those who appreciates the posts of all sides of the coin, as I learn and grow from those I read. I hope neither of you abandon this place. I'm one of those who needs your input.

Certainly not pointed at Brother Epley, but if we are unable to face and stand up to the challenge of our beliefs and faith, then we are infidels and our beliefs are nothing more than superstitions.

I will stand up to anyone making a challenge to what I believe. It hones my apologetic skills, and in the end result I just may learn something about what I believe and fortify what I choose to call truth or falicy.

I have no problem with folks tossing frilly beliefs left and right, but I also reserve the right to stand as Paul stood in the face of Peter when Peter was in the wrong.

[Carpenter]

Certainly not pointed at Brother Epley, but if we are unable to face and stand up to the challenge of our beliefs and faith, then we are infidels and our beliefs are nothing more than superstitions.

I will stand up to anyone making a challenge to what I believe. It hones my apologetic skills, and in the end result I just may learn something about what I believe and fortify what I choose to call truth or falicy.

I have no problem with folks tossing frilly beliefs left and right, but I also reserve the right to stand as Paul stood in the face of Peter when Peter was in the wrong.

...and I am going to keep bumping this until Brother Epley responds to it. :D

[MrsMcD]

I am one of those who appreciates the posts of all sides of the coin, as I learn and grow from those I read. I hope neither of you abandon this place. I'm one of those who needs your input.

I second this post! :tiphat

[Margies3]

I am one of those who appreciates the posts of all sides of the coin, as I learn and grow from those I read. I hope neither of you abandon this place. I'm one of those who needs your input.

me too!! Bro Epley, we may not always agree - and I'll be honest and tell you that way back in FCF days, I wasn't even sure I could ever like you! But I've learned so much from you and I grown to love and appreciate you more than I ever thought possible. I'm still not ready to swing your direction. But you have definately influenced my thinking in some ways I didn't think could ever be again. Hang around. You might be making more of a difference than you know. Who knows - God could be using you and you aren't even aware of it.

[Beard]

Steve Epley
It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.

Elder Epley, the problem is that many do not have the revelation of Jesus name nor do many have a revelation of the work of God which in my opinion is necessary for one's soul salvation. Elder Ray Strange and I were talking the other day and he also has decided not to post any more on various forums as well as this one...As for me, I simply do not have the time for extended discussions. Brother Strange told me that he believes that this board is a good cross section of Pentecostals throughout America...If he is correct in his belief, then it is a sobering thought indeed...

My statement to him was that many were no doubt helped by his postings and wisdom...May I offer the same word of encouragement to you as many do not have the years of experience nor the wisdom that God has imparted to you...The body of Christ needs instructors in righteousness...What is the chaff to the wheat?

[HeavenlyOne]

I was just telling a friend of mine this morning how much I respected Bro. Epley and that even though he comes across harsh on the forum, I have no doubt that he truly loves people and wants to see us all saved as he believes we should be.

Bro, I want you back here. You are more important than you realize.

[rgcraig]

People say all kinds of dumb stuff...let them, but don't deprive those of us who drink in and absorb what you have to say, and choose to argue once in a while on the basis of scripture.

I agree wholeheartedly!

The mix is what makes this work - I'm not interested in an ex-UPC forum and I highly doubt this forum will ever become that. You take the good with the bad (and just ignore the bad).

[COOPER]

It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.


I like you Epley......This is not turning into the Spiritual Abuse everthing about pentecost is bad Forum.

Lurk, but don't jerk the plug.

[Michael The Disciple]

Steve,

Notice the attitude you brought into the thread called the Name? What if people want to discuss a fuller aspect of it? It seems you always feel you have to react against the Hebrew name.

Other things may bother you but this seems to be something you consider really dangerous. I am amazed at that way of thinking.

It is very rare I agree with anyone on any of the boards. If I am not counted Apostolic by people that is a small thing. I love truth no matter where it leads. I am one who believes the Apostolic movement must move on. Not to more sin and false doctrine but to the full and pure truth.

If I get frustrated with this or other forums all I have to do is just go and do something else till I am ready to come back. Maybe a week, month or maybe never. If I were to leave no one would even notice. Yet as long as I am welcome here if I do post it will be in topics I am passionate about.

If there are none I wont post just to be posting. If topics I consider important are being discussed I will contend for what I believe is the faith once delivered to the Saints.

[COOPER]

I like you Epley......This is not turning into the Spiritual Abuse everthing about pentecost is bad Forum.

Lurk, but don't jerk the plug.



If it means anything Elder......I will not let my kids get baptized any other way than in Jesus name.:friend

[rgcraig]

If it means anything Elder......I will not let my kids get baptized any other way than in Jesus name.:friend

Exactly!

[ThePastorsCoach]

If it means anything Elder......I will not let my kids get baptized any other way than in Jesus name.:friend

Same here - My daughter was backslid and then prayed through a few months ago - she went to Pastor Jentezen Franklin and asked if he would baptize her and he said Certainly I will. She said - Will you baptize me in Jesus Name like Peter baptized?
I was shocked that she had sense enough to do that to tell you the truth - she has been out of church for 3 years. This pastor of 10,000 people said - "I will say In the name of the Father, The Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost." She said - "Well - I have to be baptized in Jesus Name so if you won't baptize me the way Peter did - I just won't be baptized!"
You guys sometimes think we compromise EVERYTHING - but that is not true. I have NEVER baptized anyone any other way but in Jesus Name and never will!

[SDG]

If it means anything Elder......I will not let my kids get baptized any other way than in Jesus name.:friend

Amen ... me too.

[COOPER]

Exactly!

Same here - My daughter was backslid and then prayed through a few months ago - she went to Pastor Jentezen Franklin and asked if he would baptize her and he said Certainly I will. She said - Will you baptize me in Jesus Name like Peter baptized?
I was shocked that she had sense enough to do that to tell you the truth - she has been out of church for 3 years. This pastor of 10,000 people said - "I will say In the name of the Father, The Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost." She said - "Well - I have to be baptized in Jesus Name so if you won't baptize me the way Peter did - I just won't be baptized!"
You guys sometimes think we compromise EVERYTHING - but that is not true. I have NEVER baptized anyone any other way but in Jesus Name and never will!
Praise God!

Amen ... me too.

Awesome!!!!

[Elihu]

Amen ... me too.

Then why do you fight against that doctrine?

[SDG]

Then why do you fight against that doctrine?

Um ...who is fighting against that doctrine????

[Barb]

Elder, while I understand to a certain extent your frustration, we must realize that we all make up the whole and have our role to play.

Your style of posting, while not mine, is distinctively YOU, and without your presence here, there would be tremendous void.

If you feel to take a break, fine, but please do not stay away too long.

Respectfully,

Barb

[stmatthew]

Same here - My daughter was backslid and then prayed through a few months ago - she went to Pastor Jentezen Franklin and asked if he would baptize her and he said Certainly I will. She said - Will you baptize me in Jesus Name like Peter baptized?
I was shocked that she had sense enough to do that to tell you the truth - she has been out of church for 3 years. This pastor of 10,000 people said - "I will say In the name of the Father, The Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost." She said - "Well - I have to be baptized in Jesus Name so if you won't baptize me the way Peter did - I just won't be baptized!"
You guys sometimes think we compromise EVERYTHING - but that is not true. I have NEVER baptized anyone any other way but in Jesus Name and never will!

High Five to your daughter!!

Bro, Just when I think one of my kids are not listening, and are starting to slip away, they come out with something like this, and blow my mind. I have trained them the best I could, and have given them to Jesus. He has done a great job in spite of me for all these years, so I can rest in the fact that he will complete his work in them.

[whollyHis]

Elder Epley...

I will miss your 'slant' on things around here- it helps keep 'balance'.

No one on ANY forum is going to change my way of thinking about God, or His word, or the way I feel about anything to do with my walk with God. I do see some danger in these forums if one is NOT grounded in what they believe as TRUTH, or if they are confused. If they seek answers here, instead of on their knees- they will remain confused no matter what direction they choose to take. The Holy Ghost is a guide- it will lead us into ALL truth- if we will make the sacrifice and die out to the flesh.

I appreciate you, brother...

God bless!!!

[Timmy]

Certainly not pointed at Brother Epley, but if we are unable to face and stand up to the challenge of our beliefs and faith, then we are infidels and our beliefs are nothing more than superstitions.

I will stand up to anyone making a challenge to what I believe. It hones my apologetic skills, and in the end result I just may learn something about what I believe and fortify what I choose to call truth or falicy.

I have no problem with folks tossing frilly beliefs left and right, but I also reserve the right to stand as Paul stood in the face of Peter when Peter was in the wrong.

Some of my posts may seem antagonistic and anti-pentecostal. I must admit that I no longer consider myself a pentecostal (as some of you may have discerned), but I have always followed the rules of the forum, as I understand them. I love Truth, and am seeking to know more of it. I am here under this provision in the rules: "We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith and about our wonderful Lord, Savior, and God whose name is Jesus Christ." If the admins feel that my questions are not "sincere", they are more than welcome to let me know, and I will honor their opinion and will leave, even if I don't agree. It's their playground! :winkgrin

But it seems to me that questions, even if they are intended as "challenges", would be welcome, and an opportunity to 1) hone your skills, as you said, in defending the Truth and 2) enlighten an "unbeliever" (as you folks may think of me).

[freeatlast]

Some of my posts may seem antagonistic and anti-pentecostal. I must admit that I no longer consider myself a pentecostal (as some of you may have discerned), but I have always followed the rules of the forum, as I understand them. I love Truth, and am seeking to know more of it. I am here under this provision in the rules: "We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith and about our wonderful Lord, Savior, and God whose name is Jesus Christ." If the admins feel that my questions are not "sincere", they are more than welcome to let me know, and I will honor their opinion and will leave, even if I don't agree. It's their playground! :winkgrin

But it seems to me that questions, even if they are intended as "challenges", would be welcome, and an opportunity to 1) hone your skills, as you said, in defending the Truth and 2) enlighten an "unbeliever" (as you folks may think of me).



You have a good spirit Timmy.

[Timmy]

You have a good spirit Timmy.

Thanks! :tiphat

[CC1]

I would hope that Elder's Epley and the rhyming guy would reconsider. If posts are made that they feel go against basic fundamental Pentecostal doctrine then they should contend for the faith.

If this becomes just an amen corner for a bunch of exUPCers then I have little interest of being here.

I have noticed that at times for a few days there will seem to be majority of lib posters and then another few days a majority of ultra con posters. During those days the board can appear to be slanted one direction or another and that may be what is causing frustration to the ultra cons.

I think the view that our AMF brethern, conservative GIB brethern, and conservative UPC brethern, add greatly to the discourse here and keep the sword on both sides of the spectrum sharpened.

[freeatlast]

I would hope that Elder's Epley and the rhyming guy would reconsider. If posts are made that they feel go against basic fundamental Pentecostal doctrine then they should contend for the faith.

If this becomes just an amen corner for a bunch of exUPCers then I have little interest of being here.

I have noticed that at times for a few days there will seem to be majority of lib posters and then another few days a majority of ultra con posters. During those days the board can appear to be slanted one direction or another and that may be what is causing frustration to the ultra cons.

I think the view that our AMF brethern, conservative GIB brethern, and conservative UPC brethern, add greatly to the discourse here and keep the sword on both sides of the spectrum sharpened.

Well said CC1...thank's for being (almost always :toofunny ) a balanced voice.

[stmatthew]

I would hope that Elder's Epley and the rhyming guy would reconsider. If posts are made that they feel go against basic fundamental Pentecostal doctrine then they should contend for the faith.

If this becomes just an amen corner for a bunch of exUPCers then I have little interest of being here.

I have noticed that at times for a few days there will seem to be majority of lib posters and then another few days a majority of ultra con posters. During those days the board can appear to be slanted one direction or another and that may be what is causing frustration to the ultra cons.

I think the view that our AMF brethern, conservative GIB brethern, and conservative UPC brethern, add greatly to the discourse here and keep the sword on both sides of the spectrum sharpened.

I do too. I understand that there is now a conservative forum that many of the brethren post on, and also a UPC ministers forum that still more are posting on. The diversity of these forums since Jim Yohe's original FCF is what has kept me here. When that stops, I will slowly drift away too. Maybe the conservative forum will let me join, as I lean more towards them than the liberal side? :nod

[CC1]

I do too. I understand that there is now a conservative forum that many of the brethren post on, and also a UPC ministers forum that still more are posting on. The diversity of these forums since Jim Yohe's original FCF is what has kept me here. When that stops, I will slowly drift away too. Maybe the conservative forum will let me join, as I lean more towards them than the liberal side? :nod

I think you definitely qualify as a conservative so you might be able to squeak through the CAF pearly gates.:tiphat

[Just a Shepherd]

It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.

You might be right, maybe it's time for you to move on, only you know that. But I think that you are going about it wrong by starting a thread about "how bad things are getting" and then run off.

If you want to change things stay and defend your position. Personally, I have no problem just telling anyone who insuslts Jesus that they are a reprobate and need to repent or they will lift up their eyes in Hell one day. Try it, it works better than taking a parting shot because you are offended.

[Hesetmefree238]

It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.


I pray that you would reconsider. I am not a frequent poster, but I do lurk and read a lot of the messages on this board. Although, I don't share many
of your sentiments on things like beards and a few other things, your voice does need to be heard on this board to help counter much of the ultra left leanings of some of the members on the forum. So reconsider.

[ThePastorsCoach]

You might be right, maybe it's time for you to move on, only you know that. But I think that you are going about it wrong by starting a thread about "how bad things are getting" and then run off.

If you want to change things stay and defend your position. Personally, I have no problem just telling anyone who insuslts Jesus that they are a reprobate and need to repent or they will lift up their eyes in Hell one day. Try it, it works better than taking a parting shot because you are offended.

SOMEBODY has a MUSTACHE on this APOSTOLIC FORUM but it AIN'T ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hallelujah - I saw the light - I mean the RAZOR and I don't want to be doomed to the bad place on a technicality such as facial hair!

I am not saying WHO has a MUSTACHE on here - BUT I SHAVED and I AM LEGAL NOW! GLORY BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Just a Shepherd]

SOMEBODY has a MUSTACHE on this APOSTOLIC FORUM but it AIN'T ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hallelujah - I saw the light - I mean the RAZOR and I don't want to be doomed to the bad place on a technicality such as facial hair!

I am not saying WHO has a MUSTACHE on here - BUT I SHAVED and I AM LEGAL NOW! GLORY BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think in real life Carpenter is a talking skull or Rhymis is a bunny?

You are really very childish.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Do you think in real life Carpenter is a talking skull or Rhymis is a bunny?

You are really very childish.

Mustache wearer!

[stmatthew]

Gentlemen, please move on. This is only going downward from here.

[ThePastorsCoach]

AWEE - Just when I was beginning to have fun!

[Falla39]

SOMEBODY has a MUSTACHE on this APOSTOLIC FORUM but it AIN'T ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hallelujah - I saw the light - I mean the RAZOR and I don't want to be doomed to the bad place on a technicality such as facial hair!

I am not saying WHO has a MUSTACHE on here - BUT I SHAVED and I AM LEGAL NOW! GLORY BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bro. AtlantaBishop,

Although I do not think you would be lost over facial hair, you

do look nice without it! We can see you better!!:slaphappy

Blessings,

Falla39

[ThePastorsCoach]

Bro. AtlantaBishop,

Although I do not think you would be lost over facial hair, you

do look nice without it! We can see you better!!:slaphappy

Blessings,

Falla39

AWE - Thanks so much - I keep hearing that from Apostolic people everywhere I go! Others say - Hmmmmmmm What is different about you - you look Younger!!!!!!!! To tell you the truth - I just got tired of trimming it. But at least - I do look nice and younger and I am LEGAL NOW! :happydance

[freeatlast]

AWE - Thanks so much - I keep hearing that from Apostolic people everywhere I go! Others say - Hmmmmmmm What is different about you - you look Younger!!!!!!!! To tell you the truth - I just got tired of trimming it. But at least - I do look nice and younger and I am LEGAL NOW! :happydance

Interesting. I am in my third week of growing a mustache and goatee. Many have told they like it, while others have said it makes me look older. At 55 I don't need anything that makes me look older :grampa

I am not growing it for Easter either. I am growing it because there is absolutley nothing in the word that would indicate men should be clean shaven.

In fact the scriptural evidence is stronger that every apostolic man, to show the distinction of the sexes, should let his beard grow.

The Israelites in the bible, when their enemy humbled them by shaving half their beards off, would not merely shave the other half off and go home.

No, they stayed in Jericho till their beards grew back out before they would show their faces.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Interesting. I am in my third week of growing a mustache and goatee. Many have told they like it, while others have said it makes me look older. At 55 I don't need anything that makes me look older :grampa

I am not growing it for Easter either. I am growing it because there is absolutley nothing in the word that would indicate men should be clean shaven.

In fact the scriptural evidence is stronger that every apostolic man, to show the distinction of the sexes, should let his beard grow.

The Israelites in the bible, when their enemies humbles them by shaving half their beards off, would not merely shave the other half off and go home.

No, they stayed in Jericho till their beard sgrew back out before they would show their faces.

I SECOND THE MOTION! AMEN TO ALL THAT!
:amen :amen :amen

[Neck]

It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.

I do not see things this way. To share and debate issues is what this forum should be about. That is a freedom not afforded folks within the confines of the church setting.

I think you should continue to share your thoughts..

Nathan Eckstadt

[ThePastorsCoach]

Come Back Elder Epley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ronzo]

If you're going to leave don't announce it to the world like you're begging for attention and use your 'woe is me' thread as a way of getting your last digs in on people you disagree with.



Just disappear...

[freeatlast]

If you're going to leave don't announce it to the world like you're begging for attention and use your 'woe is me' thread as a way of getting your last digs in on people you disagree with.



Just disappear...


How many times have we seen these good bye cruel world- (ly posters) threads and then they come crawling back.

But if attention is what one desires..good bye threads are good then :happydance

[stmatthew]

I think some of you really need to read the 1st post over again.

[OGIA]

It wouldn't matter if they did, stmatthew.

[philjones]

I think some of you really need to read the 1st post over again.

Actually , Matt, I think some of these posters have become enamored with the glistening edge of their sharp tongue and they love putting it on anyone they disagree with!:tiphat

[Tina]

I think some of you really need to read the 1st post over again.

I did. :( It didn't make me feel any better to read it the second time. :(

If he doesn't return, he will be greatly missed.

[OGIA]

Actually , Matt, I think some of these posters have become enamored with the glistening edge of their sharp tongue and they love putting it on anyone they disagree with!:tiphatMan! This is what I MEANT to post, but all I could get out was "It wouldn't matter if they did, stmatthew." :slaphappy :winkgrin

[freeatlast]

Actually , Matt, I think some of these posters have become enamored with the glistening edge of their sharp tongue and they love putting it on anyone they disagree with!:tiphat

That's not nice to say about the Elder. :slaphappy j/k

[philjones]

That's not nice to say about the Elder. :slaphappy j/k

Hey, you are 55 so if that makes you an elder... thou hast said!:slaphappy :tiphat

[freeatlast]

Hey, you are 55 so if that makes you an elder... thou hast said!:slaphappy :tiphat

:friend hahahah ya got me Phil. :friend

[Praxeas]

First COOP....now you?

You will reamin in my thoughts and prayers Elder.
Did you read that article by Chester Wright? What he said is so true and very much evident here. We got folks saying the board is not conservative enough and others that think it's not liberal enough and because they don't get THEIR way over the other group they are not happy campers. THOSE individuals make it impossible to have a board that accommodates all.

Why does Truth need to hide? If someone comes here and states opposition to a doctrine Apostolics believe we should be able to refute them with scripture and intelligence...not emotional rantings and then take our toys and leave when we don't have our way.

[rgcraig]

Did you read that article by Chester Wright? What he said is so true and very much evident here. We got folks saying the board is not conservative enough and others that think it's not liberal enough and because they don't get THEIR way over the other group they are not happy campers. THOSE individuals make it impossible to have a board that accommodates all.

Why does Truth need to hide? If someone comes here and states opposition to a doctrine Apostolics believe we should be able to refute them with scripture and intelligence...not emotional rantings and then take our toys and leave when we don't have our way.

Good post Prax!

[freeatlast]

Did you read that article by Chester Wright? What he said is so true and very much evident here. We got folks saying the board is not conservative enough and others that think it's not liberal enough and because they don't get THEIR way over the other group they are not happy campers. THOSE individuals make it impossible to have a board that accommodates all.

Why does Truth need to hide? If someone comes here and states opposition to a doctrine Apostolics believe we should be able to refute them with scripture and intelligence...not emotional rantings and then take our toys and leave when we don't have our way.

PRAX: that article is a master piece. A very good read indeed.

[stmatthew]

PRAX: that article is a master piece. A very good read indeed.

Alas, I cannot open it. My computer here at home is bogged down, and needs to be wiped clean, so I can't get it to open.

[OGIA]

It was a good article. Masterpiece? Nah.

stmatthew, you've heard it before. He sets his stance up with a bunch of ooey-gooey stuff. Yeah, the "stuff" is true, but it in no way validates his position. He accuses the ones holding to the original and CONTINUED stance of the UPC to be anti-TV as being the divisive ones. He rings much like most of that belief -- his "rights" are being violated, but please don't be offended that he wants to change things; "let's still be brothers!"

I have no problem with it. In fact, I told my pastor this morning about the article and what he wrote about some more conservative types considering men like him "not" brothers anymore. I think that is wrong, but it's just as wrong as him wanting to change the status quo and calling those who don't "divisive".

[Praxeas]

Alas, I cannot open it. My computer here at home is bogged down, and needs to be wiped clean, so I can't get it to open.
It's a PDF file...do you have a PDF reader?

[Neck]

Actually , Matt, I think some of these posters have become enamored with the glistening edge of their sharp tongue and they love putting it on anyone they disagree with!:tiphat

Disagrements are one thing Bro. But putting things out there like they are on the stones that Moses brought back from the Mount is another.

Nathan Eckstadt

[tv1a]

Truth knows no denomination. Truth has no label. The source of truth is Jesus Christ.

Some of my posts may seem antagonistic and anti-pentecostal. I must admit that I no longer consider myself a pentecostal (as some of you may have discerned), but I have always followed the rules of the forum, as I understand them. I love Truth, and am seeking to know more of it. I am here under this provision in the rules: "We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith and about our wonderful Lord, Savior, and God whose name is Jesus Christ." If the admins feel that my questions are not "sincere", they are more than welcome to let me know, and I will honor their opinion and will leave, even if I don't agree. It's their playground! :winkgrin

But it seems to me that questions, even if they are intended as "challenges", would be welcome, and an opportunity to 1) hone your skills, as you said, in defending the Truth and 2) enlighten an "unbeliever" (as you folks may think of me).

[Steve Epley]

To my friends for clarity sake and yes I do mean friends:
Dave that has deep Pentecostal roots but is far removed though always respectful to his heritage
Newman & Felicity with whom I have argued fervently and sometimes so pointed I had to apologize to
CC1 & Pianoman though we be worlds apart are friends
Since I first came on FCF it was the libs against the cons we have fought over every issue there is and some quite heated. Yet since then there has been the slide into what I percieve as an ex-Pentecostal or really an anti Pentecostal site. I cannot name everyone but most us of have our roots from when Jim was yet alive in the old FCF days.
Some particularly one poster I have carried a heavy burden for that I told him personally I was concerned for him.
I am not seeking sympathy or asking anyone to ask me to stay I have never done this but to part without thanking all those I have enjoyed conversing with would not be right. I will lurk and who knows maybe sometime later I will post though under the same climate I think not. Any that I have offended by my pointedness or directness I sincerely apologize.

[freeatlast]

Elder E. I love you man (insert big blubering crying hug here)

My apologies for our misunderstanding earlier today. I assure you, I'm as Jesus name as you are.

I hope you continue to lurk, post or whatever you feel you are led to do.

:friend

[Scott Hutchinson]

One I've noticed is there are factions of folks on internet forums who seem to enjoy needling people.I like to see how folks draw their conclusions from the scriptures,but if I don't agree with you I won't hate you or poke fun at you.

[Just a Shepherd]

One I've noticed is there are factions of folks on internet forums who seem to enjoy needling people.I like to see how folks draw their conclusions from the scriptures,but if I don't agree with you I won't hate you or poke fun at you.

I think that's called being mature.

[Carpenter]

The dynamic you are experiencing is similar to the frustration I was feeling last night. There are times when only a handful of people are on the forum and those handfuls are of the same ilk, so they create post after post after post and thread simply piling on agreeing with one another. Conservatives and liberals do the same thing.

I was told something just yesterday by a Pastor that YOU know, and it shocked me. The confusion on my face caused him to say it a second time, and frankly I am still trying to reconcile it.

He said, "The word of God is not God." I understand having a knowledge of scripture and lack the power behind it, but he was almost relating that the spirit is stronger than the word. It was pretty scary in fact, because I was lamenting that kids nowadays have no knowledge of scripture. He was saying it is more important that these kids have a more spiritual conscience than a conscience toward the word.


People say all kinds of dumb stuff...let them, but don't deprive those of us who drink in and absorb what you have to say, and choose to argue once in a while on the basis of scripture.


Bump for Brother Epley...

[Carpenter]

One I've noticed is there are factions of folks on internet forums who seem to enjoy needling people.I like to see how folks draw their conclusions from the scriptures,but if I don't agree with you I won't hate you or poke fun at you.

Right on Scott.

I can't stand all the prickles and sticks, just disagree and give a good reason with sound logic as to why....and don't call the person challenging you ignorant.

[rrford]

Right on Scott.

I can't stand all the prickles and sticks, just disagree and give a good reason with sound logic as to why....and don't call the person challenging you ignorant.


Can I still call you ignorant? (Say, I may have left a comma out of that question. :slaphappy )

[Carpenter]

Can I still call you ignorant? (Say, I may have left a comma out of that question. :slaphappy )

Yea, but you are the only one...and I get to reciprocate...except more gentle but only because you are in the ministry. :D

[rrford]

Yea, but you are the only one...and I get to reciprocate...except more gentle but only because you are in the ministry. :D

Since when has that stopped folks around here? :slaphappy

[Carpenter]

Since when has that stopped folks around here? :slaphappy

Other folks are not me.

[rrford]

Other folks are not me.

Tis true. Thankfully.

[CC1]

Elder Epley,

I am going to hold out hope that you will soon be bored with only an Amen corner to post in and will come back to where you can butt heads a little!!!

I can understand the desire for and benefit of your own conservative forum but I hope when it is all said and done you will find room for both.

I do understand what your issues are and your concern. I would say if AFF has tilted toward an ex site it is only because so many of the ultra cons have stopped consistently posting.

If Elders Epley, Groce, Steadfast, Old Paths, Bishop1, and a host of others who participated on FCF and NFCF in the past would just consistently show up any imbalance would quickly be righted.

[Carpenter]

Elder Epley,

I am going to hold out hope that you will soon be bored with only an Amen corner to post in and will come back to where you can butt heads a little!!!

I can understand the desire for and benefit of your own conservative forum but I hope when it is all said and done you will find room for both.

I do understand what your issues are and your concern. I would say if AFF has tilted toward an ex site it is only because so many of the ultra cons have stopped consistently posting.

If Elders Epley, Groce, Steadfast, Old Paths, Bishop1, and a host of others who participated on FCF and NFCF in the past would just consistently show up any imbalance would quickly be righted.

Great post, there is something to be said if I am feeling like a moderate around here.

[NLYP]

Same here - My daughter was backslid and then prayed through a few months ago - she went to Pastor Jentezen Franklin and asked if he would baptize her and he said Certainly I will. She said - Will you baptize me in Jesus Name like Peter baptized?
I was shocked that she had sense enough to do that to tell you the truth - she has been out of church for 3 years. This pastor of 10,000 people said - "I will say In the name of the Father, The Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost." She said - "Well - I have to be baptized in Jesus Name so if you won't baptize me the way Peter did - I just won't be baptized!"
You guys sometimes think we compromise EVERYTHING - but that is not true. I have NEVER baptized anyone any other way but in Jesus Name and never will!


THAT WAS GREAT!!
THAT had to make you proud bro!

[Steadfast]

Actually , Matt, I think some of these posters have become enamored with the glistening edge of their sharp tongue and they love putting it on anyone they disagree with!:tiphat

To this I absolutely agree. :nah

[Newman]

Elder Epley,

I am going to hold out hope that you will soon be bored with only an Amen corner to post in and will come back to where you can butt heads a little!!!

I can understand the desire for and benefit of your own conservative forum but I hope when it is all said and done you will find room for both.

I do understand what your issues are and your concern. I would say if AFF has tilted toward an ex site it is only because so many of the ultra cons have stopped consistently posting.

If Elders Epley, Groce, Steadfast, Old Paths, Bishop1, and a host of others who participated on FCF and NFCF in the past would just consistently show up any imbalance would quickly be righted.

That and perhaps the Forum should limit the number of posts per day per poster so that our most prolific poster wouldn't seem to dominate the board. I find his thought out posts much more interesting than the off the cuff remarks. ;)

[Sheltiedad]

I believe there are just as many "ex" type people out there not posting as there are "conservatives/ultra-cons" not posting...

The internet has made it much easier for people in different locations to realize the inconsistencies of this "culture" and share stories and experiences.

It will only get worse. :)

I don't post any longer because there are certain personalities and egos that I cannot tolerate to interact with (and it boggles my mind to see people that I do like being buddy/buddy with those people)... and I have learned that just because 2+2=4 to me, there is no amount of convincing arguments that I can make to convince "old-school" Pentecostals that their math does not add up, just as there is no way, short of God himself touching down in my front lawn that will make me ever believe that any of the non-biblical stuff (which IMO is the majority of everything I was taught growing up from birth in the UPC) is "Truth". We are both staring at the same equation, and believe that it is not possible that there can be another answer than the one we have come up with... and yes, I am JUST as guilty as any Pentecostal of doing so, and I have developed the same lack of tolerance that they have.

People wonder why new people keep coming on-board and asking the same questions... maybe it is because no one can give adequate answers to justify these "old paths"?... and they realize that most of the "old paths" are less than 100 years old, and not 2000 years old. People are waking up... one at a time.

Eventually Dan will realize that the effort is futile and someone else will come along and ask the same questions again, just as others of us did before him, and most likely others before us.

Some of us have given up on getting answers and apologies for being told that things were in the bible that are not, but there will always be someone new asking the question... If all these things were clearly in the bible, then the conversation would be a matter of two or three posts, not this whole, well if you stand on one leg and squint, then these things are "clearly" in the bible... or "If you just prayed more" you would come to the same conclusions as those that are "holier" than you.

[Rhoni]

That and perhaps the Forum should limit the number of posts per day per poster so that our most prolific poster wouldn't seem to dominate the board. I find his thought out posts much more interesting than the off the cuff remarks. ;)

Newman, I agree for several different reasons:

1. Many times; [I know I have done this] The things said off the cuff, without thinking can be hurtful and not taken the way intended.
2. There seems to be a competition of how many posts a day a person can do, as well as who can post the most number of posts overall. Quantity is not as important as quality...we all know.
3. This would get those neglecting their other duties to post and contribute on this forum an opportunity to get some other things in balance for themselves, families, and jobs.
4. It would balance things out a bit better.

These are just my thoughts on the matter.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Fonix]

Newman, I agree for several different reasons:

1. Many times; [I know I have done this] The things said off the cuff, without thinking can be hurtful and not taken the way intended.
2. There seems to be a competition of how many posts a day a person can do, as well as who can post the most number of posts overall. Quantity is not as important as quality...we all know.
3. This would get those neglecting their other duties to post and contribute on this forum an opportunity to get some other things in balance for themselves, families, and jobs.
4. It would balance things out a bit better.

These are just my thoughts on the matter.

Blessings, Rhoni

Well agreed.

[RevDWW]

That and perhaps the Forum should limit the number of posts per day per poster so that our most prolific poster wouldn't seem to dominate the board. I find his thought out posts much more interesting than the off the cuff remarks. ;)

Sounds like some want to impose standards on others..............:igotit

[Brett Prince]

The dynamic you are experiencing is similar to the frustration I was feeling last night. There are times when only a handful of people are on the forum and those handfuls are of the same ilk, so they create post after post after post and thread simply piling on agreeing with one another. Conservatives and liberals do the same thing.

I was told something just yesterday by a Pastor that YOU know, and it shocked me. The confusion on my face caused him to say it a second time, and frankly I am still trying to reconcile it.

He said, "The word of God is not God." I understand having a knowledge of scripture and lack the power behind it, but he was almost relating that the spirit is stronger than the word. It was pretty scary in fact, because I was lamenting that kids nowadays have no knowledge of scripture. He was saying it is more important that these kids have a more spiritual conscience than a conscience toward the word.


People say all kinds of dumb stuff...let them, but don't deprive those of us who drink in and absorb what you have to say, and choose to argue once in a while on the basis of scripture.

I have come to see something very glaring in my few years. There are people that really know their Bibles, but don't know God. They can quote, and cite Greek and Hebrew, etc., but they really have no personally vibrant relationship with the Almighty. What reeks is that usually their Bible knowledge is for one purpose: to debate what they and others believe. They have studied for antagonistic purposes--not so they can get a greater understanding of the mind of God.

In this way, I would say, "The Word of God is not God," even though John 1:1 says that in the beginning that the Word was God, and later we see that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

[LaVonne]

I have come to see something very glaring in my few years. There are people that really know their Bibles, but don't know God. They can quote, and cite Greek and Hebrew, etc., but they really have no personally vibrant relationship with the Almighty. What reeks is that usually their Bible knowledge is for one purpose: to debate what they and others believe. They have studied for antagonistic purposes--not so they can get a greater understanding of the mind of God.

In this way, I would say, "The Word of God is not God," even though John 1:1 says that in the beginning that the Word was God, and later we see that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Wow! Great post Bro. Prince.

[ReformedDave]

I have come to see something very glaring in my few years. There are people that really know their Bibles, but don't know God. They can quote, and cite Greek and Hebrew, etc., but they really have no personally vibrant relationship with the Almighty. What reeks is that usually their Bible knowledge is for one purpose: to debate what they and others believe. They have studied for antagonistic purposes--not so they can get a greater understanding of the mind of God.

In this way, I would say, "The Word of God is not God," even though John 1:1 says that in the beginning that the Word was God, and later we see that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

The danger I see is that we tend to set up a false dicotomy of Word or Spirit and that's wrong. Carp stated that a pastor told him that it was more important to have a spiritual conscience than a conscience toward the word and that is sheer folly. One can't have one without the other. Without the word we are left with no objective standard for truth to thereby justify our experience. Without the Spirit we have dead orthodoxy. In Pentecost, I have to be honest, among the youth there does seem to be a lack of Scriptural knowledge. It's just not 'spiritual' enough.

[berkeley]

The danger I see is that we tend to set up a false dicotomy of Word or Spirit and that's wrong. Carp stated that a pastor told him that it was more important to have a spiritual conscience than a conscience toward the word and that is sheer folly. One can't have one without the other. Without the word we are left with no objective standard for truth to thereby justify our experience. Without the Spirit we have dead orthodoxy. In Pentecost, I have to be honest, among the youth there does seem to be a lack of Scriptural knowledge. It's just not 'spiritual' enough.There is a lack of scriptural knowledge, and a lack of real prayer. Many pray only at church.

[rrford]

There is a lack of scriptural knowledge, and a lack of real prayer. Many pray only at church.

And that is in no wise limited to the youth. They kind of "inherited" those things from their elders who let down their guard.

[Elihu]

Newman, I agree for several different reasons:

1. Many times; [I know I have done this] The things said off the cuff, without thinking can be hurtful and not taken the way intended.
2. There seems to be a competition of how many posts a day a person can do, as well as who can post the most number of posts overall. Quantity is not as important as quality...we all know.
3. This would get those neglecting their other duties to post and contribute on this forum an opportunity to get some other things in balance for themselves, families, and jobs.
4. It would balance things out a bit better.

These are just my thoughts on the matter.


Blessings, Rhoni

Aren't you one of the top ten posters?

How many posts do you average daily?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Aren't you one of the top ten posters?

How many posts do you average daily?

She uses only one nick though!

:tiphat

[Elihu]

She uses only one nick though!

:tiphat

You are a sly one, Mr. BoredOutOfMyMind Person. :friend

[Carpenter]

I have come to see something very glaring in my few years. There are people that really know their Bibles, but don't know God. They can quote, and cite Greek and Hebrew, etc., but they really have no personally vibrant relationship with the Almighty.

What reeks is that usually their Bible knowledge is for one purpose: to debate what they and others believe. They have studied for antagonistic purposes--not so they can get a greater understanding of the mind of God.

In this way, I would say, "The Word of God is not God," even though John 1:1 says that in the beginning that the Word was God, and later we see that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

This is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read (bolded above).

Are you impugning the power of the word of God or are you saying that people have the ability to prove what they believe outside the tennants of scripture?

[Newman]

The danger I see is that we tend to set up a false dicotomy of Word or Spirit and that's wrong. Carp stated that a pastor told him that it was more important to have a spiritual conscience than a conscience toward the word and that is sheer folly. One can't have one without the other. Without the word we are left with no objective standard for truth to thereby justify our experience. Without the Spirit we have dead orthodoxy.

Amen. :tiphat

[Rhoni]

Aren't you one of the top ten posters?

How many posts do you average daily?

I usually fall into the number ten category or below...I average 25 posts a day...and I would do better to post less...I was preaching to myself as much to anyone.:tiphat

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. Like everyone else, self discipline is more difficult than obeying the rules forced upon me;)! LOL:grampa

[StillStanding]

Bro. Epley, If you're reading, please know that you're loved and respected by this poster! :)

[berkeley]

And that is in no wise limited to the youth. They kind of "inherited" those things from their elders who let down their guard.
Hmm.. I've always thought the elders were people of prayer. I guess it would vary from church to church.
The pastor of the church I used to attend would always stress the importance of prayer and establishing a relationship with the Lord.

[Brett Prince]

This is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read (bolded above).

Are you impugning the power of the word of God or are you saying that people have the ability to prove what they believe outside the tennants of scripture?

Neither. I am saying that some folks study, and look for anything they can to discredit whatever position they want to--not desiring to really know the Truth. That doesn't mean they are able to, but they can create a lot of fluff for debate.

I am suprised that you considered the statement ignorant. Others thought differently, and I actually thought you would see my point and agree with me, Carp. Do you not agree that some people read the Bible just to find points to argue?

[Carpenter]

Neither. I am saying that some folks study, and look for anything they can to discredit whatever position they want to--not desiring to really know the Truth. That doesn't mean they are able to, but they can create a lot of fluff for debate.

I am suprised that you considered the statement ignorant. Others thought differently, and I actually thought you would see my point and agree with me, Carp. Do you not agree that some people read the Bible just to find points to argue?

It would be impossible for me to judge whether someone "studied" the bible in order to just find points to argue. Someone doing a true study in my mind would hopefully be convicted that he was misusing the Holy Word of God.

[stmatthew]

It seems this forum is slding very quickly into an antigonistic forum to Pentecostal doctrine in general with the remarks of Jesus being a magic name and the defence of the statement I feel uncomfortable with this. I ahve never threatened and this is not a threat. I am going to cease from posting for a season I might lurk. But I am beginning to doubt if I should be here. The what I see as 'hatred' toward Pentecost is general is becoming more and more open and vicious. Maybe this will become an ex-Pentecostal site where disgruntles can cast stones at the womb that gave them birth. Healthy and heated discussions are one thing but this continual and more and more aggressive posts which are laden with anti-Pentecostalism is general is becoming more than I can bear. It is becoming harder to leave these asaults at the computer I do not want to carry them with me. I pray for each of you that seem to have been hurt beyond repair that somewhere the God of Heaven will heal your hurts and wounds that you might again be restored to the Apostolic fatih. This could very well be my last post on this forum. So farewell in case I don't return.

Maybe it is time to move on. As the saying says, "all good things come to an end".

I love and appreciate you Elder.

[Sherri]

Bro. Epley, I think I was just starting to understand and LIKE you!!! Please don't leave us now. I have high respect for you and what you stand for, even if I don't agree. I applaud you for at least being consistent.

I hope you don't think we are all anti-Pentecostal. I sure don't feel that way. I love my heritage and honor those who brought me to Christ.

[Brett Prince]

It would be impossible for me to judge whether someone "studied" the bible in order to just find points to argue. Someone doing a true study in my mind would hopefully be convicted that he was misusing the Holy Word of God.

The key word here is "true." A true Bible study WOULD hopefully lead them to a conviction. I guess I have met a few twisted individuals in my time. I figured you had met a few as well.

[Old Paths]

The key word here is "true." A true Bible study WOULD hopefully lead them to a conviction. I guess I have met a few twisted individuals in my time. I figured you had met a few as well.


AMEN!

I have met a few "twisted" individuals via so call Apostolic forms.

:tiphat

[Barb]

Maybe it is time to move on. As the saying says, "all good things come to an end".

I love and appreciate you Elder.

I strongly disagree...

[tbpew]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett Prince
I have come to see something very glaring in my few years. There are people that really know their Bibles, but don't know God. They can quote, and cite Greek and Hebrew, etc., but they really have no personally vibrant relationship with the Almighty.

What reeks is that usually their Bible knowledge is for one purpose: to debate what they and others believe. They have studied for antagonistic purposes--not so they can get a greater understanding of the mind of God.

In this way, I would say, "The Word of God is not God," even though John 1:1 says that in the beginning that the Word was God, and later we see that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.
to which Carpenter replied:
This is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read (bolded above).

Are you impugning the power of the word of God or are you saying that people have the ability to prove what they believe outside the tennants of scripture?
I can not understand how a person could take the quote from Brett Prince above and get....
"Are you impugning the power of the word of God "
or
"are you saying that people have the ability to prove what they believe outside the tennants of scripture?"

Carp, what did you take away from this poster's content that formed this reply?

Every individual who posts must engage a degree of discerning of the spirit for each post that they give any sort of consideration in reading.

I stand in agreement with the content of the Prince's post. When I am left to consider motive [perceived] behind many posts; wining a debate by conquering ignorance with swordsmanship does have a large presence in the way the Word of God is presented to the reader.

[Digging4Truth]

This is all over a half read post. If Epley would have even just taken the time to read the whole post this wouldn't be happening... maybe... you never can tell..

Then he hauled off and made this thread before he even got a response to his commentary which was built on not reading all of a post in the first place.

This thread was made in haste.
This thread was made without all the facts or even waiting for the answer to the question Epley posed.
There was no need for this entire incident.

[Ronzo]

...wining a debate by conquering ignorance with swordsmanship does have a large presence in the way the Word of God is presented to the reader.

The crusaders are alive and well in 'the church'.

[Steve Epley]

I was contacted by the owner who's identity I promised to keep secret and he-she(?) asked me not to leave this was NOT what I was after but it was certainly humbling and the kind posts on the forum. So I am back. I will just choose to who and what I discuss with. Thank you for your kindness.:tiphat

[Old Paths]

I was contacted by the owner who's identity I promised to keep secret and he-she(?) asked me not to leave this was NOT what I was after but it was certainly humbling and the kind posts on the forum. So I am back. I will just choose to who and what I discuss with. Thank you for your kindness.:tiphat



YOU, my Friend, have with this post, disappointed some around here.


Hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Scott Hutchinson]

Elder Epley I like you alot as matter of fact you proably are my favorite UC.
I personally feel you are perhaps a bit too strict nevertheeless you have integrity and honestly.
I admire these qualities in you.

[Old Paths]

Brace yourself for ACCUSATIONS that all you wanted was attention.


:D

[sola gratia]

Brace yourself for ACCUSATIONS that all you wanted was attention.


:D

here here

[ChTatum]

I don't think Elder E was wanting attention, there are times when we all feel it may be time to move on.

If the good elder just wanted attention, all he had to do was post some of those UC ways!

[SDG]

I was contacted by the owner who's identity I promised to keep secret and he-she(?) asked me not to leave this was NOT what I was after but it was certainly humbling and the kind posts on the forum. So I am back. I will just choose to who and what I discuss with. Thank you for your kindness.:tiphat

Glad you're back Elder.

[freeatlast]

I was contacted by the owner who's identity I promised to keep secret and he-she(?) asked me not to leave this was NOT what I was after but it was certainly humbling and the kind posts on the forum. So I am back. I will just choose to who and what I discuss with. Thank you for your kindness.:tiphat

So good to see Da man in the hat is back.:tiphat

You were deeply :friend missed.

I always get a kick out of your post's.

[Old Paths]

I was contacted by the owner who's identity I promised to keep secret and he-she(?) asked me not to leave this was NOT what I was after but it was certainly humbling and the kind posts on the forum. So I am back. I will just choose to who and what I discuss with. Thank you for your kindness.:tiphat



Let's seeeee???


VY???


Elder Groce?????


Am I getting warm???


The Beatles???


Felicty????


???

[Barb]

I was contacted by the owner who's identity I promised to keep secret and he-she(?) asked me not to leave this was NOT what I was after but it was certainly humbling and the kind posts on the forum. So I am back. I will just choose to who and what I discuss with. Thank you for your kindness.:tiphat

:thumbsup

[Brett Prince]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett Prince

to which Carpenter replied:

I can not understand how a person could take the quote from Brett Prince above and get....
"Are you impugning the power of the word of God "
or
"are you saying that people have the ability to prove what they believe outside the tennants of scripture?"

Carp, what did you take away from this poster's content that formed this reply?

Every individual who posts must engage a degree of discerning of the spirit for each post that they give any sort of consideration in reading.

I stand in agreement with the content of the Prince's post. When I am left to consider motive [perceived] behind many posts; wining a debate by conquering ignorance with swordsmanship does have a large presence in the way the Word of God is presented to the reader.

Thanks. Carp is pretty smart. I thought I had really blown it somehow, but it seemed to me I had a valid point.

[rgcraig]

YOU, my Friend, have with this post, disappointed some around here.


Hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeNot sure who that would be.

[crakjak]

YOU, my Friend, have with this post, disappointed some around here.


Hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

That is nonsense, SE adds texture and interest, why would anyone want him to leave, certainly not I.

Of course, not many care a wit what I think.:toofunny

[crakjak]

I don't think Elder E was wanting attention, there are times when we all feel it may be time to move on.

If the good elder just wanted attention, all he had to do was post some of those UC ways!

You got that right, don't we all just love to pile on????:slaphappy

[CC1]

I was contacted by the owner who's identity I promised to keep secret and he-she(?) asked me not to leave this was NOT what I was after but it was certainly humbling and the kind posts on the forum. So I am back. I will just choose to who and what I discuss with. Thank you for your kindness.:tiphat

Excellent! Now you won't have the guilt of having abandoned a forum and the mission of presenting the ultra con perpsective.:grampa :grampa

Glad you are back on the reservation. Now just get the other ultra cons to step up to the plate and contend for the faith once delivered to the AMF!!!!!!!