How Did Jim Yohe Do It???

[stmatthew]

I have to be honest in saying that I am growing more and more bored towards the forum. I am finding less and less substance, and more and more bickering taking place. It is slowly becoming a "I know you are but what am I" type place.


At the beginning it was not so. Anyone that was at the original Faithchild Forum will tell you that there was a dynamic that was there like I have not seen since. There was heated discussions, and debates on subjects that still interest us today. There was still the views of those ranging from Conservative to Liberal there. But there was a respect for each other that caused most folks there not to become cynical, sarcastic, and attacking in their posts. So as I have pondered all this, I see that maybe it is that respect has come up missing. I really don't know.


Maybe some of you that where there can help us out?? How did Jim do it?? How did he make a forum where folks could discuss things the way we did then, and yet still be respectful?? And in your opinion, what can we do to duplicate it??

[Tina]

I wasn't even around FCF when Jim Yohe was alive-- so I couldn't say anything about how that forum was except at the very end before it closed.

I do see on this forum that people seem to have little respect for each other. (Not everyone-- so don't think I'm grouping everyone in when I say that... but that is one of the main problems that I see here. )

Another thing that I've noticed is that there are certain posters on both sides that tend to gang up on each other when there is a discussion going on. Instead of focusing on the ISSUE-- they seem to be more interested in how many put-downs or insults they can sling toward the "other side".

This kind of posting prevents a LOT of people from even wanting to participate in discussions at all, because of what most threads end up turning into. JMO

[RevDWW]

Here's what I see:
Some libs need to show the cons, more of the Grace they claim to be living in.
Some cons need to show the libs more of the Love of Christ (the source of Holiness) they claim to be living in.

JMHO! :tiphat

[rgcraig]

Here's what I see:
Some libs need to show the cons, more of the Grace they claim to be living in.
Some cons need to show the libs more of the Love of Christ (the source of Holiness) they claim to be living in.

JMHO! :tiphatAmen and throw in a dose of RESPECT!!!!

[Felicity]

I have to be honest in saying that I am growing more and more bored towards the forum. I am finding less and less substance, and more and more bickering taking place. It is slowly becoming a "I know you are but what am I" type place.


At the beginning it was not so. Anyone that was at the original Faithchild Forum will tell you that there was a dynamic that was there like I have not seen since. There was heated discussions, and debates on subjects that still interest us today. There was still the views of those ranging from Conservative to Liberal there. But there was a respect for each other that caused most folks there not to become cynical, sarcastic, and attacking in their posts. So as I have pondered all this, I see that maybe it is that respect has come up missing. I really don't know.


Maybe some of you that where there can help us out?? How did Jim do it?? How did he make a forum where folks could discuss things the way we did then, and yet still be respectful?? And in your opinion, what can we do to duplicate it??Matt...........

In my opinion part of the problem is that we've gone over and over and over again so many of the "issues". There's just not the same dynamics. For one thing neither nFCF nor AFF was started by the man who had the heart, soul and vision. And a reminder here too that FCF was still relatively small when Jim passed on. It grew to be the awesome forum it was after his death.

Some of the "new guys" bring up great topics but everyone is kind of tired of going over and over the same things, IMO. A lot of the calibre posters are no longer engaged. That makes a difference too.

Just a few thots.........

[RevDWW]

Amen and throw in a dose of RESPECT!!!!

I believe that respect should be earned......perhaps by showing grace and love!

Jesus taught that we are to treat others as we want to be treated, that's proactive. Treating others as they treat us...that's reactive.........

[Neck]

I have to be honest in saying that I am growing more and more bored towards the forum. I am finding less and less substance, and more and more bickering taking place. It is slowly becoming a "I know you are but what am I" type place.


At the beginning it was not so. Anyone that was at the original Faithchild Forum will tell you that there was a dynamic that was there like I have not seen since. There was heated discussions, and debates on subjects that still interest us today. There was still the views of those ranging from Conservative to Liberal there. But there was a respect for each other that caused most folks there not to become cynical, sarcastic, and attacking in their posts. So as I have pondered all this, I see that maybe it is that respect has come up missing. I really don't know.


Maybe some of you that where there can help us out?? How did Jim do it?? How did he make a forum where folks could discuss things the way we did then, and yet still be respectful?? And in your opinion, what can we do to duplicate it??

Then someone start a thread with a thread of interesting thinking..

Not did you know, Dotti Rambo will be singing at a UPC church....

Who cares.

[stmatthew]

Matt...........

In my opinion part of the problem is that we've gone over and over and over again so many of the "issues". There's just not the same dynamics. For one thing neither nFCF nor AFF was started by the man who had the heart, soul and vision. And a reminder here too that FCF was still relatively small when Jim passed on. It grew to be the awesome forum it was after his death.

Some of the "new guys" bring up great topics but everyone is kind of tired of going over and over the same things, IMO. A lot of the calibre posters are no longer engaged. That makes a difference too.

Just a few thots.........


Thanks for responding. I was hoping you would.
I agree with you, and have thought the same myself. We have had some of these topics so many times that it has gotten old. But is there a way to revitalize, and bring in some new discussions that generate some good discussions? Have we moved into a "new dispensation" , and the old has passed away, so to speak??

I am serious folks, when I say that I have seen more hateful and vicious posts made in the last 6 months or so than I have seen in the probably 7 or so years I have been online. If what I am seeing here is what we are destined to become, please stop the train and let me off.

[Felicity]

Thanks for responding. I was hoping you would.
I agree with you, and have thought the same myself. We have had some of these topics so many times that it has gotten old. But is there a way to revitalize, and bring in some new discussions that generate some good discussions? Have we moved into a "new dispensation" , and the old has passed away, so to speak??

I am serious folks, when I say that I have seen more hateful and vicious posts made in the last 6 months or so than I have seen in the probably 7 or so years I have been online. If what I am seeing here is what we are destined to become, please stop the train and let me off. I think there have been some good discussions here. I WISH that some of the other posters who have been involved in the past were still here. It would make a difference I believe.

I don't think mellowing everything down to buttery softness and sugary sweetness is the answer either. :nah

[Margies3]

Thanks for responding. I was hoping you would.
I agree with you, and have thought the same myself. We have had some of these topics so many times that it has gotten old. But is there a way to revitalize, and bring in some new discussions that generate some good discussions? Have we moved into a "new dispensation" , and the old has passed away, so to speak??

I am serious folks, when I say that I have seen more hateful and vicious posts made in the last 6 months or so than I have seen in the probably 7 or so years I have been online. If what I am seeing here is what we are destined to become, please stop the train and let me off.

Are you thinking, perhaps, that Admin needs to clamp down more?? Just curious.

[Margies3]

I just read thru the titles of some of the threads on here. One thing I noticed is that there are an awful lot of threads challenging Apostolic beliefs and/or standards. You all know that I do not believe in the standards (I do believe in Oneness-Baptism, etc. Just not standards). But I would never come on an APOSTOLIC forum and challenge their beliefs 'in their face' like that. If someone who believes standards started a thread, I might pipe in and share my thoughts on the other side of the fence. But I have too much respect for those who do believe for me to start something nasty. That just doesn't make sense to me.

We don't have to agree on everything. No one is saying that. But there's no reason to attack one another either. People need to realize that no matter how valid your 'point' is, if you get off-track and begin attacking others, your 'point' gets lost and no one hears you anyway.

[Fonix]

Instead of telling newbies youve discussed that issue over and over that they have a question on why not let the old timers :grampa sit back and allow the newbies to carry on that specific topic because they wont be burned out about talking about it. And let the old timers :grampa who are tired and already a formed opinion just sit back and listen to the newbies:

Wait..Did I just say that twice LOL

[freeatlast]

Instead of telling newbies youve discussed that issue over and over that they have a question on why not let the old timers :grampa sit back and allow the newbies to carry on that specific topic because they wont be burned out about talking about it. And let the old timers :grampa who are tired and already a formed opinion just sit back and listen to the newbies:

Wait..Did I just say that twice LOL

Good point Fonix...both of em'

[Newman]

Stmatt- One of the best things about the forum was that Bro. Yohe was using it more or less like a think tank.

He invited people with substance behind their opinions to write articles that were in fact "peer reviewed" on the board. This does not happen anywhere else in our Apostolic circles so far as I know.

The Pentecostal Herald avoids any real debate or thought-provoking articles, contininuing to only allow what speaks the party line. Pentecostal Publishing House only prints books that line up with the manual.

Bro. Yohe was interested in ideas of whatever stripe so long as they were articulated well and had substance to them. Opinions off the top of one's head and and/or unexamined traditional rhetoric wouldn't make a good article for the forum and Jim Yohe knew that.

His vision made for interesting reading and lively debate as we dug into the topic; and drew in quality posters.

It would be good to have articles again. Peer review is something that is sorely lacking in most circles that think we must all speak with the same voice. :cool:

[Newman]

I just read thru the titles of some of the threads on here. One thing I noticed is that there are an awful lot of threads challenging Apostolic beliefs and/or standards. You all know that I do not believe in the standards (I do believe in Oneness-Baptism, etc. Just not standards). But I would never come on an APOSTOLIC forum and challenge their beliefs 'in their face' like that. If someone who believes standards started a thread, I might pipe in and share my thoughts on the other side of the fence. But I have too much respect for those who do believe for me to start something nasty. That just doesn't make sense to me.

We don't have to agree on everything. No one is saying that. But there's no reason to attack one another either. People need to realize that no matter how valid your 'point' is, if you get off-track and begin attacking others, your 'point' gets lost and no one hears you anyway.

Margie- Perhaps standards are more troubling to those who believe the Apostolic message than those who go to other churches.

After all, if one doesn't believe the Apostolic message, it really makes no difference that the Apostolic church is perceived by some as putting obstacles in one's path (cause they can just go to the church down the road).

However, attacking someone is generally counterproductive to the art of persuasion. :cool:

[Felicity]

Thanks for responding. I was hoping you would.
I agree with you, and have thought the same myself. We have had some of these topics so many times that it has gotten old. But is there a way to revitalize, and bring in some new discussions that generate some good discussions? Have we moved into a "new dispensation" , and the old has passed away, so to speak??

I am serious folks, when I say that I have seen more hateful and vicious posts made in the last 6 months or so than I have seen in the probably 7 or so years I have been online. If what I am seeing here is what we are destined to become, please stop the train and let me off.Oh my goodness Matt. I think there have been far worse in the past - particularly on FCF. There was some severe bloodletting there and nFCF had its share too but FCF was kind of like the Old West when it came to flaming, etc.

[SDG]

Oh my goodness Matt. I think there have been far worse in the past - particularly on FCF. There was some severe bloodletting there and nFCF had its share too but FCF was kind of like the Old West when it came to flaming, etc.

I love it when folks wax nostalgic ... it's amazing what we "remember" about the good 'ol days. I encourage the old-timers to press forward and build this thing up ... encourage the newbies by being examples of tolerance and mutual respect

....it may never replicate what it "used to be" but you have good thing going here ... and the admin and moderator team is on top of things ... I should know.

As a lurker of the last 5 months at NFCF ... it was pretty vicious over there ... I don't see some of that here. IMHO.

[Felicity]

Instead of telling newbies youve discussed that issue over and over that they have a question on why not let the old timers :grampa sit back and allow the newbies to carry on that specific topic because they wont be burned out about talking about it. And let the old timers :grampa who are tired and already a formed opinion just sit back and listen to the newbies:

Wait..Did I just say that twice LOL
My post wasn't directed to the newbies. It was a matter of explanation to Matt re his post. I don't care if the same issues are brought up, but it's true that some of us who have been around since the start have said the same things and made the same points over and over and over again. It's a valid point in regard to Matt's concern.

[Felicity]

I love it when folks wax nostalgic ... it's amazing what we "remember" about the good 'ol days. I encourage the old-timers to press forward and build this thing up ... encourage the newbies by being examples of tolerance and mutual respect

....it may never replicate what it "used to be" but you have good thing going here ... and the admin and moderator team is on top of things ... I should know.

As a lurker of the last 5 months at NFCF ... it was pretty vicious over there ... I don't see some of that here. IMHO. I agree with you in regard to the bolded part. NFCF had its share of bloodletting but ask the old timers and they'll tell you it was pretty wild and woolly at times on FCF. I well remember. :)

[rgcraig]

There seems some are a lot more defensive in their posting than I remember before.

A good argument from both sides is always good, but when it's hit right from the beginning with whining and defensiveness instead of substance, then it gets old fast.

[philjones]

There seems some are a lot more defensive in their posting than I remember before.

A good argument from both sides is always good, but when it's hit right from the beginning with whining and defensiveness instead of substance, then it gets old fast.

I see a significant difference in arguing and attacking. Most of the defensiveness I have seen has resulted from the biased attacks more than legitimate argument being presented! The attacks get old faster than the whining and i don't care much for whining!:tiphat

[Newman]

As a lurker of the last 5 months at NFCF ... it was pretty vicious over there ... I don't see some of that here. IMHO.

How could someone with almost 3000 posts on here within a few months time lurk over at the other forum for 5 months without feeling the need to register? Were you afraid that WWOD would have made mince meat out of your posts or what?

Pop corn sales would have sky rocketed. ;)

[SDG]

I see a significant difference in arguing and attacking. Most of the defensiveness I have seen has resulted from the biased attacks more than legitimate argument being presented! The attacks get old faster than the whining and i don't care much for whining!:tiphat

*cough* *cough* This could be construed as WHINING!!!!!!!!!!! :neener

[Barb]

I agree with you in regard to the bolded part. NFCF had its share of bloodletting but ask the old timers and they'll tell you it was pretty wild and woolly at times on FCF. I well remember. :)

How well do I remember...I posted a thread about witchcraft in the Church, speaking of a controlling spirit, and it wasn't even directed to ministers, but I was nailed to the wall over it.

One poster in particular had me in tears for days...oh it was a wild time...but I sure miss it!!:(

[Barb]

How could someone with almost 3000 posts on here within a few months time lurk over at the other forum for 5 months without feeling the need to register? Were you afraid that WWOD would have made mince meat out of your posts or what?

Pop corn sales would have sky rocketed. ;)

Even I would have bought a ticket to see that fight!!:winkgrin

[SDG]

How could someone with almost 3000 posts on here within a few months time lurk over at the other forum for 5 months without feeling the need to register? Were you afraid that WWOD would have made mince meat out of your posts or what?

Pop corn sales would have sky rocketed. ;)

no .... at first ... I would read ... because of interest in solidifying my PCI view ... when I tried in October/November to register .... it was closed ... to new registrations ...

Newman ... you know I never back down from a gunfight. :grampa

[philjones]

*cough* *cough* This could be construed as WHINING!!!!!!!!!!! :neener

Astoundingly astute, Her. Alicea!:tiphat

[SDG]

How well do I remember...I posted a thread about witchcraft in the Church, speaking of a controlling spirit, and it wasn't even directed to ministers, but I was nailed to the wall over it.

One poster in parfticular had me in tears for days...oh it was a wild time...but I sure miss it!!:(

Could it be that some of it ... just gets old to some ...??? It was new and fresh to some back then .....

[philjones]

*cough* *cough* This could be construed as WHINING!!!!!!!!!!! :neener

How long do you think it will be before Ronzo gets here to echo your setniments?:slaphappy

[SDG]

How long do you think it will be before Ronzo gets here to echo your setniments?:slaphappy

He'll be less forgiving.

[Barb]

Could it be that some of it ... just gets old to some ...??? It was new and fresh to some back then .....

There was just a difference...I can't explain it, and I'm not even the group you could call 'oldtimer'. I came to FCF after Bro. Yohe passed...

[rgcraig]

Please don't attack, but do you think some of the difference now is that there is some unrest with the UPC ministers with the TV issue. Some are feeling their oats to move forward, some are feeling more oats to stay the same and that causes the attacks and defensiveness?

[SDG]

Please don't attack, but do you think some of the difference now is that there is some unrest with the UPC ministers with the TV issue. Some are feeling their oats to move forward, some are feeling more oats to stay the same and that causes the attacks and defensiveness?

This is absolutely a factor ... the lines have been drawn prior to GC '06 ... the stakes are being viewed as higher ...

[philjones]

He'll be less forgiving.

Forgiving of what? Which of the handful of sins have ai committed against him or you for that matter?

BTW... was his absence during your ban a show of solidarity?:slaphappy :slaphappy

[SDG]

Forgiving of what? Which of the handful of sins have ai committed against him or you for that matter?

BTW... was his absence during your ban a show of solidarity?:slaphappy :slaphappy

Cute ... but no cigar ... he had stopped posting about a week prior to my banning .... what are you going to do now that the UC's are running for higher ground, i.e. Mount CAF???? :toofunny

BTW, are you hiding any sins ... that need to be forgiven by us???? :aaa

[Newman]

no .... at first ... I would read ... because of interest in solidifying my PCI view ... when I tried in October/November to register .... it was closed ... to new registrations ...

Newman ... you know I never back down from a gunfight. :grampa

Oh... That is too bad because if anyone could have given you a run for the money it would have been WWOD. (And by that I mean have the intelligence, tenacity and passion to match you point for point). :igotit

[rgcraig]

Oh... That is too bad because if anyone could have given you a run for the money it would have been WWOD. (And by that I mean have the intelligence, tenacity and passion to match you point for point). :igotit

Popcorn sales would have been a record high!

[philjones]

Cute ... but no cigar ... he had stopped posting about a week prior to my banning .... what are you going to do now that the UC's are running for higher ground, i.e. Mount CAF???? :toofunny

BTW, are you hiding any sins ... that need to be forgiven by us???? :aaa

Not right now... but I am working on some (sins needing forgiving)!

As to the CAF and the UCs... what causes you to think that I am dependent on them for my fellowship. I am in fellowship with men from both ends of the spectrum. I trust that you are not so insecure that if the UL left you would feel uncomfortable among UCs.

I have no idea what you think you know about where I stand on anything other than my personal consecrations and the salvation message but it would probably be eye opening if you ever took the time to put your prejudice aside and get to know me.:tiphat

[chosenbyone]

I was talking on the phone with another member from this forum yesterday and this was one of the topics we discussed. There have been so many things written against other people that if a "lurker" happened to read some of things that member have written about each other it may create a stumbling block to them if they were Apostolic or of another faith.

This dear saint of God stated that out of the mouth the heart speaketh and maybe people need to stop attacking one another and examine their heart. I have been disappointed but I won't just walk away from this forum because someone may have hurt my feelings. In may own particular case it was a good thing that I was attacked, but for the majority I couldn't make such a a statement.

This forum has ministered to a lot people and God uses threads just like this one to make us pause to think maybe we should treat other members here with the respect that we would show them if we were face to face.

GNC has a thread for standard topics and maybe that would be something that the administrators should consider here on AFF. That way the "newbies" could go at each other and the rest of us wouldn't be subjected everyday to the same arguments that they bring to this forum. Of course, it's not just the "newbies" that seem to want to bring this topic up over and over again.

Just a thought...

[SDG]

Oh... That is too bad because if anyone could have given you a run for the money it would have been WWOD. (And by that I mean have the intelligence, tenacity and passion to match you point for point). :igotit

Well send out an APB for him .... cause I'm game!!!!!!!

[philjones]

Oh... That is too bad because if anyone could have given you a run for the money it would have been WWOD. (And by that I mean have the intelligence, tenacity and passion to match you point for point). :igotit

Sis Newman,

in reference to your list... two out of three ain't bad!:slaphappy :slaphappy :happydance

[Ron]

Im my "opinion" it isn't what is posted but the "spirit" & "attitude" in which the post comes.
Most of us aren't rocket scientists but pretty much all of us can tell when someone wants to post to "pick a fight" rather than posting for "disscussions sake."

Most of us on here agree the UPCI has faults and weaknesses and is not perfect, however most don't want to be reminded every second or third post or thread.

To the Liberal minded, some of the things you are accusing good men & women of God of Standards as thought control & legalistic, are something that they hold very dear.

To our more Conservative brethren, some that are liberal haven't nessecarly
"backslid" they may have more liberty than others in some things.
They desire to be respected as well-if not for their doctrines sake, for their position in the body of Christ's sake.

Us mods, well we are fighting terribly to actually show that we have convictions on some things without apearing to be a fence straddler!:D

Is this a disscussion board where things are truly disscussed & analysed from different viewpoints, or is it just a "I post and if you dare dissagree you must be a hard ultra con, or a greesy liberal."

That isn't going to foster any open topics for disscussion.

I believe there is still good threads to come, the best post is yet to be made.
There are still more fun things yet to be done on these forums.

What we need is a healthy "Respect" for one another.
Sad that we can do that to the others in the world, but we find it hard to give it to our Brothers & Sisters in the Lord.


As for me I love all of you-some more easly than others.:winkgrin

You all are in my thoughts and prayers.

Just some ramblings from a Hard Headed Canadian who is still walking towards his eternal destination.

God Bless!

Ron:tiphat

[SDG]

Not right now... but I am working on some (sins needing forgiving)!

As to the CAF and the UCs... what causes you to think that I am dependent on them for my fellowship. I am in fellowship with men from both ends of the spectrum. I trust that you are not so insecure that if the UL left you would feel uncomfortable among UCs.

I have no idea what you think you know about where I stand on anything other than my personal consecrations and the salvation message but it would probably be eye opening if you ever took the time to put your prejudice aside and get to know me.:tiphat

Phil ... I know you are fairly moderate ... and if Ronzo gave you his seal of approval weeks ago ... I trust him. Phil ... you are very well-balanced and I admire that. I am in fellowship for many of the reasons you are.

I love the labels however ... because it's fun ... but I view most of the posters here as unique ... except for some of the CLONES that will remain un-named.

[RevDWW]

Sis Newman,

in reference to your list... two out of three ain't bad!:slaphappy :slaphappy :happydance

Which one do you discount....oh wait...... I think I know..........:nah

[SDG]

Which one do you discount....oh wait...... I think I know..........:nah

Anything to take a swipe at me ... huh Dan??..... Yet it's so sutle .

:winkgrin :toofunny

[rgcraig]

Good post Ron!

[StillStanding]

I agree with Newman that part of what made FCF great was monthly articles written by some of the gifted writers on controversial subjects.

It might be a good thing to arrange to have some write such an article in a section of this forum, and have a thread linked directly to that article. Then the simpletons, such as myself, can write one or two sentence opinions of the article! :)

[Felicity]

I agree with Newman that part of what made FCF great was monthly articles written by some of the gifted writers on controversial subjects.

It might be a good thing to arrange to have some write such an article in a section of this forum, and have a thread linked directly to that article. Then the simpletons, such as myself, can write one or two sentence opinions of the article! :)I've suggested it several times but it never happens. Not sure why. We have some good able talented inspired and anointed writers.

[RevDWW]

Anything to take a swipe at me ... huh Dan??..... Yet it's so sutle .

:winkgrin :toofunny

There you go reading between the lines when there is nothing there! I was thinking perhaps WWOD really lacked one of the three.........

Besides you are not that hard to keep up with, maybe your a little faster of the keys is all. And that's not always a good thing is it? :toofunny

[SDG]

There you go reading between the lines when there is nothing there! Very original ... now catch me if you can ... I'm the Gingerbread man

[ReformedDave]

Stmatt- One of the best things about the forum was that Bro. Yohe was using it more or less like a think tank.

He invited people with substance behind their opinions to write articles that were in fact "peer reviewed" on the board. This does not happen anywhere else in our Apostolic circles so far as I know.

The Pentecostal Herald avoids any real debate or thought-provoking articles, contininuing to only allow what speaks the party line. Pentecostal Publishing House only prints books that line up with the manual.

Bro. Yohe was interested in ideas of whatever stripe so long as they were articulated well and had substance to them. Opinions off the top of one's head and and/or unexamined traditional rhetoric wouldn't make a good article for the forum and Jim Yohe knew that.

His vision made for interesting reading and lively debate as we dug into the topic; and drew in quality posters.

It would be good to have articles again. Peer review is something that is sorely lacking in most circles that think we must all speak with the same voice. :cool:

There you go. THE difference.

[Just a Shepherd]

I have to be honest in saying that I am growing more and more bored towards the forum. I am finding less and less substance, and more and more bickering taking place. It is slowly becoming a "I know you are but what am I" type place.


At the beginning it was not so. Anyone that was at the original Faithchild Forum will tell you that there was a dynamic that was there like I have not seen since. There was heated discussions, and debates on subjects that still interest us today. There was still the views of those ranging from Conservative to Liberal there. But there was a respect for each other that caused most folks there not to become cynical, sarcastic, and attacking in their posts. So as I have pondered all this, I see that maybe it is that respect has come up missing. I really don't know.


Maybe some of you that where there can help us out?? How did Jim do it?? How did he make a forum where folks could discuss things the way we did then, and yet still be respectful?? And in your opinion, what can we do to duplicate it??

I haven't read this whole thread but I will attempt an answer from my perspective. I was the 83rd member to sign up on Faithchild Forum, so I was around almost from the beginning. I primarily came there to defend the uncut hair doctrine that was being written against by Newman.

One difference that I see is there were articles written that people were discussing and it made it easier to stick with the topic at hand. Many times I quoted directly from the articles and challenged the author to defend her position with scripture. It was a very mind sharpening exercise.

The second difference is that -like it or not- Jim and Mike Flemming ran a tight ship with regard to anyone who was seen as attacking another poster for any reason. I know, I was banned 3 times - the first by JHY himself. I wish I still had the e-mail he sent me. He clearly stated that the forum was for the discussion of ideas not personalities. When I compare the things I said to get banned with what posters get away with here and at the nFCF the difference is dramatic.

Jim wanted a place for good discussion of doctrine and ideas, but not a place for people who just wanted to take cheap shots at people they would otherwise have no access to. That's what many of these other forums have in common. They provide an opportunity for the walking wounded to be heard, and often it takes the form of immature insults and outright mockery - something that was not allowed on Jim's watch. I know, I learned the hard way.

[josh]

Stmatt- One of the best things about the forum was that Bro. Yohe was using it more or less like a think tank.

He invited people with substance behind their opinions to write articles that were in fact "peer reviewed" on the board. This does not happen anywhere else in our Apostolic circles so far as I know.

The Pentecostal Herald avoids any real debate or thought-provoking articles, contininuing to only allow what speaks the party line. Pentecostal Publishing House only prints books that line up with the manual.

Bro. Yohe was interested in ideas of whatever stripe so long as they were articulated well and had substance to them. Opinions off the top of one's head and and/or unexamined traditional rhetoric wouldn't make a good article for the forum and Jim Yohe knew that.

His vision made for interesting reading and lively debate as we dug into the topic; and drew in quality posters.

It would be good to have articles again. Peer review is something that is sorely lacking in most circles that think we must all speak with the same voice. :cool:

I was one of the first to be on Bro Yohe's forum...I think.

I'll tell you one difference. I actually worried about getting banned... I don't think he would have allowed half of what we've become. Maybe he would, we just didn't get the opportunity to see. I know Bro Yohe even banned himself once. He was a stickler for the lines he did draw and when he crossed it himself...he gave himself a temp ban as far as posting opinion.

Newman is right. Bro Yohe's articles were there, then he invited others. He had writers from Newman to Kansas Preacher on the hook to write. We might have vehemently disagreed but we respected each other...and if we didn't we got dumped.

I will say this. You can't recreate the old fcf. There is too much disrespect already and no one will write an article and put it out as fodder for ridicule.

There are very few posters who will attempt anything of substance here. I come here for the banter and to see if there is anything noteworthy, but I save my views for safer climes.

FCF was growing rapidly at the time of Bro Yohe's death. Yet, I do believe it still had the same flavor and discipline as when it was smaller.

I think the only way it can be recreated is with a more tightly controlled environment...and I doubt that many here want that to happen. Say what you want...Bro Yohe was as firm and hard about how he wanted his forum to be as the administration of CAF or Goodnewscafe. He wanted more diversity...but he rode herd as the strong-armed segundo with a quick triggered ban button. It was fun....

[Tina]

I think the only way it can be recreated is with a more tightly controlled environment...and I doubt that many here want that to happen. Say what you want...Bro Yohe was as firm and hard about how he wanted his forum to be as the administration of CAF or Goodnewscafe. He wanted more diversity...but he rode herd as the strong-armed segundo with a quick triggered ban button. It was fun....

And when we tried to be a little stricter, people screamed that we were "censoring" them...

But just for the record...(I'm saying this as a regular member, and not a moderator) I will say I think you are exactly right. The admins need to tighten up a little... and stop allowing so much of the stuff that has been going on. JMO, for whatever it's worth. (And now I'm going to go back to my quiet little corner as mostly an observer)

[HeavenlyOne]

We had a different flavor of posters on FCF, for the most part. As someone else said, their was respect even when we disagreed. Topics were discussed and goofing off was at a minimum.

Jim liked to pick the UPC brains of people and bring them to their senses without them realizing it. He had a sense of humor that I didn't realize fully until his passing, and I wish I'd known him better.

His forum had purpose other than just a place to chat. Mike tried to continue that idea, but it just wasn't the same after Jim was gone.

The question to ask here is, what's the purpose of this forum, and why are we here?

I know what I'd answer.

[Just a Shepherd]

And when we tried to be a little stricter, people screamed that we were "censoring" them...

But just for the record...(I'm saying this as a regular member, and not a moderator) I will say I think you are exactly right. The admins need to tighten up a little... and stop allowing so much of the stuff that has been going on. JMO, for whatever it's worth. (And now I'm going to go back to my quiet little corner as mostly an observer)

Well on FCF, if you argued with a moderator even one time you were banned. I know it happened to me. I was warned because I told another poster that he was obviously a racist and when I disputed with admin's assesment of the situation - I was gone for 14 days. One warning, no slack. The mantra was always discuss ideas not personalities, period.

[HeavenlyOne]

Well on FCF, if you argued with a moderator even one time you were banned. I know it happened to me. I was warned because I told another poster that he was obviously a racist and when I disputed with admin's assesment of the situation - I was gone for 14 days. One warning, no slack. The mantra was always discuss ideas not personalities, period.


And when he banned someone, nobody questioned his authority on it either. Nobody.

[Guy]

I have been a part of FCF and its various permutations.
One of the great strengths of FCF were the articles that were presented monthly. Much of the discussion flowed from the articles.
It is also worthy of note that many of the "simpleton" threads that pop up here would never have been tolerated. That being said there were some epic battles waged on FCF, but waged within bounds.
FCF depended on the personality of its founder for much of its success. With his passing some of what made FCF successful went AWOL.
Finally, the big question is how sustainable a forum is hashing over the same old thing again and again. This even became an issue on FCF.
Finally, hate it or love it, Doubtful Thomas was a must read each month. Kind of like a car wreck, you just couldn't help looking.

[Felicity]

I have been a part of FCF and its various permutations.
One of the great strengths of FCF were the articles that were presented monthly. Much of the discussion flowed from the articles.
It is also worthy of note that many of the "simpleton" threads that pop up here would never have been tolerated. That being said there were some epic battles waged on FCF, but waged within bounds.
FCF depended on the personality of its founder for much of its success. With his passing some of what made FCF successful went AWOL.
Finally, the big question is how sustainable a forum is hashing over the same old thing again and again. This even became an issue on FCF.
Finally, hate it or love it, Doubtful Thomas was a must read each month. Kind of like a car wreck, you just couldn't help looking.Agreed.

[Barb]

I have been a part of FCF and its various permutations.
One of the great strengths of FCF were the articles that were presented monthly. Much of the discussion flowed from the articles.
It is also worthy of note that many of the "simpleton" threads that pop up here would never have been tolerated. That being said there were some epic battles waged on FCF, but waged within bounds.
FCF depended on the personality of its founder for much of its success. With his passing some of what made FCF successful went AWOL.
Finally, the big question is how sustainable a forum is hashing over the same old thing again and again. This even became an issue on FCF.
Finally, hate it or love it, Doubtful Thomas was a must read each month. Kind of like a car wreck, you just couldn't help looking.

From the many comments here tonight, it is obvious that we want/need the aricles to be a part of what is happening here.

How do the great minds make it happen?!

[HeavenlyOne]

I have been a part of FCF and its various permutations.
One of the great strengths of FCF were the articles that were presented monthly. Much of the discussion flowed from the articles.
It is also worthy of note that many of the "simpleton" threads that pop up here would never have been tolerated. That being said there were some epic battles waged on FCF, but waged within bounds.
FCF depended on the personality of its founder for much of its success. With his passing some of what made FCF successful went AWOL.
Finally, the big question is how sustainable a forum is hashing over the same old thing again and again. This even became an issue on FCF.
Finally, hate it or love it, Doubtful Thomas was a must read each month. Kind of like a car wreck, you just couldn't help looking.

Ain't that the truth!!

[Newman]

I have been a part of FCF and its various permutations.
One of the great strengths of FCF were the articles that were presented monthly. Much of the discussion flowed from the articles.
It is also worthy of note that many of the "simpleton" threads that pop up here would never have been tolerated. That being said there were some epic battles waged on FCF, but waged within bounds.
FCF depended on the personality of its founder for much of its success. With his passing some of what made FCF successful went AWOL.
Finally, the big question is how sustainable a forum is hashing over the same old thing again and again. This even became an issue on FCF.
Finally, hate it or love it, Doubtful Thomas was a must read each month. Kind of like a car wreck, you just couldn't help looking.

I am wondering (not sure) were there even threads that were unrelated to the articles initially? And if they were; were they wiped out each month so that only the article threads and those threads over a certain number of posts were archived? Or am I totally mixed up? :nah

[Guy]

I had some huge battles with WWOD and the Bishop from Kentucky. Those were the days!
I'd even take Thad ahead of these mindless "I hate the UPC - aren't I cute?" threads.

[freeatlast]

I am wondering (not sure) were there even threads that were unrelated to the articles initially? And if they were; were they wiped out each month so that only the article threads and those threads over a certain number of posts were archived? Or am I totally mixed up? :nah

Newman: I was just re reading some of your 5 articles refuting Ruth Reider that were in the archives on FCF. Great stuff!

[Newman]

Newman: I was just re reading some of your 5 articles refuting Ruth Reider that were in the archives on FCF. Great stuff!

Hmm... There were actually six. However, I would change a few things if I were re-writing them. But thank you very much. :tiphat

[Just a Shepherd]

I am wondering (not sure) were there even threads that were unrelated to the articles initially? And if they were; were they wiped out each month so that only the article threads and those threads over a certain number of posts were archived? Or am I totally mixed up? :nah

Newman - the articles section changed each month and the previous month was archived. There was a General Discussion area but it wasn't very active. Sometimes the hottest debates were in the Archives. Lol.

[Felicity]

I had some huge battles with WWOD and the Bishop from Kentucky. Those were the days!
I'd even take Thad ahead of these mindless "I hate the UPC - aren't I cute?" threads.LOL!

[tv1a]

Our church had a business meeting recently when one of the topics on the table was changing the name of the church. One gentleman was against the change for this reason. He said " This church was founded 50 years ago and God gave the founding pastor the visioin for this church. God doesn't change." He was concerned because the last time the church changed its name a shorter version of the new church name caught on. Needless to say, we did get a new church name at our business meeting in spite of the objections.

I say all that to say this. The best way to honor JY's vision is not to carry on his vision, but to build upon his vision. We would honor his memory not by trying to make a copycat of his forum but building on the great foundation he established for "apostolic" discussion.

[Felicity]

I say all that to say this. The best way to honor JY's vision is not to carry on his vision, but to build upon his vision. We would honor his memory not by trying to make a copycat of his forum but building on the great foundation he established for "apostolic" discussion.Agreed!

[Maple Leaf]

I haven't read this whole thread but I will attempt an answer from my perspective. I was the 83rd member to sign up on Faithchild Forum, so I was around almost from the beginning. I primarily came there to defend the uncut hair doctrine that was being written against by Newman.

One difference that I see is there were articles written that people were discussing and it made it easier to stick with the topic at hand. Many times I quoted directly from the articles and challenged the author to defend her position with scripture. It was a very mind sharpening exercise.

The second difference is that -like it or not- Jim and Mike Flemming ran a tight ship with regard to anyone who was seen as attacking another poster for any reason. I know, I was banned 3 times - the first by JHY himself. I wish I still had the e-mail he sent me. He clearly stated that the forum was for the discussion of ideas not personalities. When I compare the things I said to get banned with what posters get away with here and at the nFCF the difference is dramatic.

Jim wanted a place for good discussion of doctrine and ideas, but not a place for people who just wanted to take cheap shots at people they would otherwise have no access to. That's what many of these other forums have in common. They provide an opportunity for the walking wounded to be heard, and often it takes the form of immature insults and outright mockery - something that was not allowed on Jim's watch. I know, I learned the hard way.

This thread has been a very interesting read. I could have quoted several posts to add my "Amen," but I don't recall ever having an opportunity to agree with Pastor SShepherd before, so I jumped at the chance.

One interesting thing about this thread is that it has attracted many of the posters who were active at FCF during its heyday. They're pretty much all here, with one or two notable exceptions.

[Scott Hutchinson]

To me FCF was great but there was alot of heated discussion going on especially in the prophecy section , since the preterists were outsed from you know what, seems like alot of interest in that subject has died down.
But truth be known I doubt FCF could ever be duplicated.It was one of a kind.

[Just a Shepherd]

This thread has been a very interesting read. I could have quoted several posts to add my "Amen," but I don't recall ever having an opportunity to agree with Pastor SShepherd before, so I jumped at the chance.

One interesting thing about this thread is that it has attracted many of the posters who were active at FCF during its heyday. They're pretty much all here, with one or two notable exceptions.

I'll amen your amen. :usa

[RevDWW]

I'll amen your amen. :usa

I'll see your amen and raise you a selah!

[LaGirl]

Then someone start a thread with a thread of interesting thinking..

Not did you know, Dotti Rambo will be singing at a UPC church....

Who cares.



not will be...did. you would be SHOCKED at how many cared.

[Barb]

I miss FCF...if I could go back and start my days there over, I would do some things differently.

But FCF was great for me in so many ways. The foremost thing to me was the change in my attitude due to seeing Apostolics of every stripe and not just what I was accustomed to seeing. The voices were a different breed for sure, but it was without a doubt the best thing for me.

AND I got to meet the sweetest people this side of heaven...of course, so did they!! :happydance ;)

[stmatthew]

Thanks for all the posts here. I really appreciate the insight some of you have. While I was on FCF from its early days, I lurked for a season. I do not believe we can re-create another FCF because, as some have said, Jim Yohe was FCF. When he died, I believe the steam began to slow. Bro Flemming did his best, but it was the personality and vision of Jim Yohe that kept life in it.

Having said all that, I would really like to see us become something more than what I am seeing. I would like to hear more from some of you that have posted, and from those that have yet to post. It gives me something to consider in where we want to go with this forum.

[Barb]

Thanks for all the posts here. I really appreciate the insight some of you have. While I was on FCF from its early days, I lurked for a season. I do not believe we can re-create another FCF because, as some have said, Jim Yohe was FCF. When he died, I believe the steam began to slow. Bro Flemming did his best, but it was the personality and vision of Jim Yohe that kept life in it.

Having said all that, I would really like to see us become something more than what I am seeing. I would like to hear more from some of you that have posted, and from those that have yet to post. It gives me something to consider in where we want to go with this forum.

Matt, I hear your heartbeat of concern and can assure I feel it, too. However, I feel to ask you...what is that "something more" that you would like to see?!

[josh]

I am wondering (not sure) were there even threads that were unrelated to the articles initially? And if they were; were they wiped out each month so that only the article threads and those threads over a certain number of posts were archived? Or am I totally mixed up? :nah

Newman, when I joined Bro Yohe didn't have the capability of archiving or carrying anything over to the next month. We just started all over.

Then he got vbulletin, or something...and that was not long before you wrote articles.

All of the great conversations Bro Yohe initiated with his articles on the Tenneys and TBN were lost.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Newman, when I joined Bro Yohe didn't have the capability of archiving or carrying anything over to the next month. We just started all over.

Then he got vbulletin, or something...and that was not long before you wrote articles.

All of the great conversations Bro Yohe initiated with his articles on the Tenneys and TBN were lost.

Not exactly lost. I have a copy on another system. I do feel they are property now of the Yohe family, and so would not post them here without an ok from TyHuff or Vicki.

We tried posting them on NFCF and had so little participation we did not continue.
:tiphat

[Barb]

Thanks for all the posts here. I really appreciate the insight some of you have. While I was on FCF from its early days, I lurked for a season. I do not believe we can re-create another FCF because, as some have said, Jim Yohe was FCF. When he died, I believe the steam began to slow. Bro Flemming did his best, but it was the personality and vision of Jim Yohe that kept life in it.

Having said all that, I would really like to see us become something more than what I am seeing. I would like to hear more from some of you that have posted, and from those that have yet to post. It gives me something to consider in where we want to go with this forum.

Matt, I hear your heartbeat of concern and can assure I feel it, too. However, I feel to ask you...what is that "something more" that you would like to see?!

*Bumping* for Matt...what direction would you like to see this board go in?!

[TopDog]

I agree with Newman that part of what made FCF great was monthly articles written by some of the gifted writers on controversial subjects.

It might be a good thing to arrange to have some write such an article in a section of this forum, and have a thread linked directly to that article. Then the simpletons, such as myself, can write one or two sentence opinions of the article! :)

I had to sign in and second this thought. What got me interested in FCF - way back in the day - were the articles and NOT the discussion forum. I later participated in the discussions and saw a certain level of intellectual debate that has been waning for some time now on nFCF, AFF, etc. I think a few factors are at play here:

The lack of the "articles" component that was central to FCF
The way that so many issues have been discussed "to death". There's just no meat left on the bone...
The shifting landscape within some Apostolic circles, especially the UPCI - gets reflected to some extent in the forum discussions.
A tendency by some to avoid real discussion, perhaps out of "topic fatigue", and jump straight into a defensive stance that usually has a messy overtone...

[Steve Epley]

Newman, when I joined Bro Yohe didn't have the capability of archiving or carrying anything over to the next month. We just started all over.

Then he got vbulletin, or something...and that was not long before you wrote articles.

All of the great conversations Bro Yohe initiated with his articles on the Tenneys and TBN were lost.

Jim and myself had a quite heated discussion via pm over two different articles I did not at first understand the concept but after our discourse I was convinced he was correct in his theory of airing the matter. All those discussions with Newman and them Elder Blume and here came the Branhamites were fun. I think the discussions between Elder Blume and Elder Chalfant and Parson was the best you could have gotten of those topics all three were students and articulate. Newman and Sab were great.

[ReformedDave]

Jim and myself had a quite heated discussion via pm over two different articles I did not at first understand the concept but after our discourse I was convinced he was correct in his theory of airing the matter. All those discussions with Newman and them Elder Blume and here came the Branhamites were fun. I think the discussions between Elder Blume and Elder Chalfant and Parson was the best you could have gotten of those topics all three were students and articulate. Newman and Sab were great.

Good post!

[Steve Epley]

Good post!

You know some of us had some heated but informative discussions on Calvinism did we not???? And while it did get very hot we remained friends of course we could not helped it we were predestined to do it!:happydance :happydance

[ReformedDave]

You know some of us had some heated but informative discussions on Calvinism did we not???? And while it did get very hot we remained friends of course we could not helped it we were predestined to do it!:happydance :happydance


Those were the days. It's good to see what one believes and if it can stand the test of scrutiny.

[Carpenter]

You know some of us had some heated but informative discussions on Calvinism did we not???? And while it did get very hot we remained friends of course we could not helped it we were predestined to do it!:happydance :happydance

:D

Great series of posts Pastor Epley. I miss the old days as well, regardless of the fact that I couldn't tell a Branhamite from a Spamanite...

I miss trading one-liners with Brother Groce too...

[retsambeW]

Jim gave FCF a flavor that remained even after his passing. However, as life goes, when you add other seasonings to the mix, the taste changes. All of us that were involved added some things that caused FCF to explode with growth after Jim's untimely demise. That can happen here, also.

If you can get good writers to write, bring back the article/issue oriented threads, you would be amazed what would happen here.

It may not seem related, but at the start, the articles were what pushed us...the general area was something we never expected to take off, but it did as a result of the "hook" of the articles. You give folks a hook, they will catch themselves...if you get what I am saying.

Make sure the articles are balanced between conservative, liberal, and moderate.

[Barb]

Jim gave FCF a flavor that remained even after his passing. However, as life goes, when you add other seasonings to the mix, the taste changes. All of us that were involved added some things that caused FCF to explode with growth after Jim's untimely demise. That can happen here, also.

If you can get good writers to write, bring back the article/issue oriented threads, you would be amazed what would happen here.

It may not seem related, but at the start, the articles were what pushed us...the general area was something we never expected to take off, but it did as a result of the "hook" of the articles. You give folks a hook, they will catch themselves...if you get what I am saying.

Make sure the articles are balanced between conservative, liberal, and moderate.

Good post...excellent points well made. Thank you for stopping by, Elder...:tiphat

[Felicity]

Jim gave FCF a flavor that remained even after his passing. However, as life goes, when you add other seasonings to the mix, the taste changes. All of us that were involved added some things that caused FCF to explode with growth after Jim's untimely demise. That can happen here, also.

If you can get good writers to write, bring back the article/issue oriented threads, you would be amazed what would happen here.

It may not seem related, but at the start, the articles were what pushed us...the general area was something we never expected to take off, but it did as a result of the "hook" of the articles. You give folks a hook, they will catch themselves...if you get what I am saying.

Make sure the articles are balanced between conservative, liberal, and moderate.I agree with everything you say here.

Thanks for confirming the fact that FCF really took off after Jim's death. I remember this because I was diligently watching growth of the membership #s. :) It seemed like it was growing very slowly; the numbers had increased ....... and then *poof* .... Jim was gone but with that came a dramatic increase in membership #s.

The "flavor" did indeed remain for a long while after and you sir did a great job having to step in and take over the leadership.

Those were the days my friend .... :)

[revrandy]

I have to be honest in saying that I am growing more and more bored towards the forum. I am finding less and less substance, and more and more bickering taking place. It is slowly becoming a "I know you are but what am I" type place.


At the beginning it was not so. Anyone that was at the original Faithchild Forum will tell you that there was a dynamic that was there like I have not seen since. There was heated discussions, and debates on subjects that still interest us today. There was still the views of those ranging from Conservative to Liberal there. But there was a respect for each other that caused most folks there not to become cynical, sarcastic, and attacking in their posts. So as I have pondered all this, I see that maybe it is that respect has come up missing. I really don't know.


Maybe some of you that where there can help us out?? How did Jim do it?? How did he make a forum where folks could discuss things the way we did then, and yet still be respectful?? And in your opinion, what can we do to duplicate it??

Matt..

I don't know if it's been said or not.. but I do believe the popularity and dynamics of the forum FCF was that there wasn't much to choose from out there at the time... now we have more and more to choose from... that may be why there is diminished interest....

[Barb]

I agree with everything you say here.

Thanks for confirming the fact that FCF really took off after Jim's death. I remember this because I was diligently watching growth of the membership #s. :) It seemed like it was growing very slowly; the numbers had increased ....... and then *poof* .... Jim was gone but with that came a dramatic increase in membership #s.

The "flavor" did indeed remain for a long while after and you sir did a great job having to step in and take over the leadership.

Those were the days my friend .... :)

YES!!:)

[originalsecretplace]

I was mostly lurking on the GNC when Jim blew in like a hurricaine as CYCLOPS. :)

He was banned over there at least once that I remember.

I was shocked to the core when one day he was there and the next gone.

I was/am more of a lurker than a poster on GNC, FCF,NFCF but I've been sad, angry, disappointed, excited, laughed-out-loud, etc, etc... by the posts.

I agree that we may need a focal point like Jim gave us in the articles when he was around. The article gave a foundation or starting point that could be used to jetteson oneself off, so to speak. And it gave us an understanding of exactly what the "issue" was.

[Ferd]

I agree with everything you say here.

Thanks for confirming the fact that FCF really took off after Jim's death. I remember this because I was diligently watching growth of the membership #s. :) It seemed like it was growing very slowly; the numbers had increased ....... and then *poof* .... Jim was gone but with that came a dramatic increase in membership #s.

The "flavor" did indeed remain for a long while after and you sir did a great job having to step in and take over the leadership.

Those were the days my friend .... :)

I was part of that "Poof". i came to FCF right after he died. in part because of first hearing that FCF was his site, then secondly because of the Ethopian deal. that all kind of happened at the same time if I recall.

[Barb]

I was part of that "Poof". i came to FCF right after he died. in part because of first hearing that FCF was his site, then secondly because of the Ethopian deal. that all kind of happened at the same time if I recall.

I lurked at the time the letters were being posted...signed on after he passed.

[Ferd]

I havent read all 90 odd posts here but this is my 2 cents.

If you look at posters who have been around going back to the time that FCF was really strong, you find that they do debate with respect.

Pianoman, CC1 and Carpenter well represent the Apostolic left in a way that clearly conflicts with others like Coonskinner and Epley.

There have been very hot debates with these folks involved but the level of discussion generally isnt personal. Not only is it not personal but nobody acts like they are being attacked.

Some of the newer posters really need to review their style of posting. I have seen threads started that were clearly over the line in tone, then when someone disagrees, the person who opened the thread gets bent out of shape because they got called on it.

this probably only makes sense to me so I will shut up.

[rgcraig]

No Ferd, it makes sense to me too.

Almost like some have come with an agenda (on both sides).

[Scott Hutchinson]

When I first came to FCF there was the thing about Elder Kenneth Haney being nominated for UPCI GS.

[Tina]

I havent read all 90 odd posts here but this is my 2 cents.

If you look at posters who have been around going back to the time that FCF was really strong, you find that they do debate with respect.

Pianoman, CC1 and Carpenter well represent the Apostolic left in a way that clearly conflicts with others like Coonskinner and Epley.

There have been very hot debates with these folks involved but the level of discussion generally isnt personal. Not only is it not personal but nobody acts like they are being attacked.

Some of the newer posters really need to review their style of posting. I have seen threads started that were clearly over the line in tone, then when someone disagrees, the person who opened the thread gets bent out of shape because they got called on it.

this probably only makes sense to me so I will shut up.

You were making sense to me too... what did you shut up for? :D

[RevDWW]

I havent read all 90 odd posts here but this is my 2 cents.

If you look at posters who have been around going back to the time that FCF was really strong, you find that they do debate with respect.

Pianoman, CC1 and Carpenter well represent the Apostolic left in a way that clearly conflicts with others like Coonskinner and Epley.

There have been very hot debates with these folks involved but the level of discussion generally isnt personal. Not only is it not personal but nobody acts like they are being attacked.

Some of the newer posters really need to review their style of posting. I have seen threads started that were clearly over the line in tone, then when someone disagrees, the person who opened the thread gets bent out of shape because they got called on it.

this probably only makes sense to me so I will shut up.

That's pretty much right on, IMHO! :friend

[retsambeW]

Matt..

I don't know if it's been said or not.. but I do believe the popularity and dynamics of the forum FCF was that there wasn't much to choose from out there at the time... now we have more and more to choose from... that may be why there is diminished interest....


But the "winner" will offer the most. There are a million fast food shops out there. Who continually makes more money and is the most popular? As bad as it is, the answer is McDonalds.

It won't matter how many are out there if the content and "ingredients" are the best.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Hey somebody didn't tell me he moved to TN.

[retsambeW]

I agree with everything you say here.

Thanks for confirming the fact that FCF really took off after Jim's death. I remember this because I was diligently watching growth of the membership #s. :) It seemed like it was growing very slowly; the numbers had increased ....... and then *poof* .... Jim was gone but with that came a dramatic increase in membership #s.

The "flavor" did indeed remain for a long while after and you sir did a great job having to step in and take over the leadership.

Those were the days my friend .... :)

Were is the correct wordage. I do miss it, but I don't, if that makes any sense. I will always fondly remember my time and the membership of FCF. The pressure? No. :D

Matt, I hope you never get the emails I got.

[retsambeW]

Hey somebody didn't tell me he moved to TN.


As RRFORD says, you may not be good, but you are slow. :D

Not entirely moved yet. 26 foot UHAUL filled top to bottom, front to back, and still not done. At least 4 more days of work between packing, moving, and cleaning. Un-packing? I don't even want to think about it.

[Scott Hutchinson]

As RRFORD says, you may not be good, but you are slow. :D

Not entirely moved yet. 26 foot UHAUL filled top to bottom, front to back, and still not done. At least 4 more days of work between packing, moving, and cleaning. Un-packing? I don't even want to think about it.

I hadn't heard from ya I haven't died or anything,but I hope things work out good for ya.

[retsambeW]

I hadn't heard from ya I haven't died or anything,but I hope things work out good for ya.


No you haven't died...either that or St. Peter had DSL installed. :D

Good to post with ya. Things are well.

[Ferd]

well, It looks like im less of an idiot than I think I am. maybe we need a remedial course for some folk?

[Ferd]

But the "winner" will offer the most. There are a million fast food shops out there. Who continually makes more money and is the most popular? As bad as it is, the answer is McDonalds.

It won't matter how many are out there if the content and "ingredients" are the best.

Howdy friend.

[Scott Hutchinson]

well, It looks like im less of an idiot than I think I am. maybe we need a remedial course for some folk?

I'm sure I could take courses for alot of things just ask my wife.:slaphappy

[rgcraig]

I think one way Jim did it was he didn't worry about hurting anyone's feelings!

He called it like he saw it.

[Esther]

There have been a lot of good answers.

I know when I first came to FCF it was from the letters posted.

At first I thought the posters were the most unchristian folks with all their fussing going on. :)

They gave me a warm welcome and advised me to stay around and read and get to know them and then see if I still felt the same way. You didn't have to stay to long to see the "family" would love, defend and and chastize each other.

I think the articles were a definite hit and generated a lot of debate.

Also, I think the DT was also another main factor. Many people say that they don't want to hear gossip, but they are just as interested in what is going on around the organization as those who posted.

I came here to learn more indept Biblical dept. Hence, you will find I have started many threads in that regard, asking questions and trying to get valuable input.

I also have enjoyed the threads such as recipes. Now who can out sing and cook than us? ;)

I have laughted, I have cried, and have opened my eyes wide and reread a post again to be sure I read it right. I have learned and I have shared.

Forum life is different and I have enjoyed my time spent with most folks here. I have gained respect for some folks I have never met and look forward to meeting even more.

But to make it a success it takes the posters. If you don't see the kind of thread you like, start one.

If someone takes a shot at "you" not your post, report it!

We can't possibly read every thread and every post.

But it takes all of us to make it work.

It takes "you" to input the kind of input "you" like, and know there are most likely others that agree with you.

[Esther]

I think one way Jim did it was he didn't worry about hurting anyone's feelings!

He called it like he saw it.


I think that is where I see a sutle difference of late, we don't want to offend those that are supposed to be on the same sides.

When no two people can think alike on every subject.

Good point, Renda!

[Scott Hutchinson]

I thought the prophecy section on FCF was a mine-field.
I thought Pre-MID-Post were the schools of thought on prophecy out there,boy was I living a sheltered life.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I always wondered who DT was? Perhaps I'll never know.

[Felicity]

I always wondered who DT was? Perhaps I'll never know.I know! :D

[Scott Hutchinson]

I know! :D

You Do,since FCF is no more you can pm me and tell me.

[Esther]

I know! :D

Me too. :)

[Carpenter]

I havent read all 90 odd posts here but this is my 2 cents.

If you look at posters who have been around going back to the time that FCF was really strong, you find that they do debate with respect.

Pianoman, CC1 and Carpenter well represent the Apostolic left in a way that clearly conflicts with others like Coonskinner and Epley.

There have been very hot debates with these folks involved but the level of discussion generally isnt personal. Not only is it not personal but nobody acts like they are being attacked.

Some of the newer posters really need to review their style of posting. I have seen threads started that were clearly over the line in tone, then when someone disagrees, the person who opened the thread gets bent out of shape because they got called on it.

this probably only makes sense to me so I will shut up.

Great POST FERD! I agree with you 100%, your Lortab is helping your clarity this time.

[retsambeW]

Howdy friend.

Howdy. :D

[retsambeW]

I know! :D


There were two...the original and the fill in. Shhhhh.

[Felicity]

There were two...the original and the fill in. Shhhhh.My lips are sealed. :D

[retsambeW]

My lips are sealed. :D

I will send you the standard denial of kowledge forms asap. Remember to press hard, they are in triplicate.



















:D

[rgcraig]

I will send you the standard denial of kowledge forms asap. Remember to press hard, they are in triplicate.


:D
Lol!

Sometimes it's a burden to know too much, eh?

[retsambeW]

Lol!

Sometimes it's a burden to know too much, eh?

I would say "if you only knew", but I have a distinct feeling you learned that all ready. :)

[rgcraig]

I would say "if you only knew", but I have a distinct feeling you learned that all ready. :)

;)

[retsambeW]

;)

I hear ya. :D

[Thad]

I had some huge battles with WWOD and the Bishop from Kentucky. Those were the days!
I'd even take Thad ahead of these mindless "I hate the UPC - aren't I cute?" threads.


well Thanks

That was real kind

[retsambeW]

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well Thanks

That was real kind

Fame is fleeting for newshounds.





:D

[tbpew]

I had some huge battles with WWOD and the Bishop from Kentucky. Those were the days!
I'd even take Thad ahead of these mindless "I hate the UPC - aren't I cute?" threads.
guy,

just think, august is just around the corner and nnFCF will rise out of the ashes just in time for a TV resolution debate at GC.

man, knowing that the days are short, can you think of a better way to spend our lives engaging a discussion board then facing the #1 issue that every member-minister is wrestling with!

surely august come quickly, even so, come on august!:grampa

[stmatthew]

Were is the correct wordage. I do miss it, but I don't, if that makes any sense. I will always fondly remember my time and the membership of FCF. The pressure? No. :D

Matt, I hope you never get the emails I got.


I think Renda gets all the bad emails. :neener


You will be only about an hour from me, as I am in Nashville. We need to meet up and have lunch one Saturday. I'll treat.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I know! :D

Well Sister if I knew who Frank was ,I could tell you now.
But I never knew who he was.

[Guy]

guy,

just think, august is just around the corner and nnFCF will rise out of the ashes just in time for a TV resolution debate at GC.

man, knowing that the days are short, can you think of a better way to spend our lives engaging a discussion board then facing the #1 issue that every member-minister is wrestling with!

surely august come quickly, even so, come on august!:grampa

I have no intention of going back to anything that involves the diva.
They should just inter that turkey instead of trying to revive it.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I sure wonder what Wally is up to these days?

[retsambeW]

I think Renda gets all the bad emails. :neener


You will be only about an hour from me, as I am in Nashville. We need to meet up and have lunch one Saturday. I'll treat.

The Nashville airport is 2 hours, twenty minutes, but it will still be worth the drive! :D

[retsambeW]

Well Sister if I knew who Frank was ,I could tell you now.
But I never knew who he was.


But I knew! :D

[Scott Hutchinson]

But I knew! :D

You knew but I couldn't have blabbed even if I did know at the time ,but I could now.

[Frank]

But I knew! :D

Did someone say my name?
Speak of the devil and he is sure to appear!
Time for all us true believing young preachers to show up.

[retsambeW]

Did someone say my name?
Speak of the devil and he is sure to appear!
Time for all us true believing young preachers to show up.


Yo my man! You will notice I have kept your identity safely hid from these folks.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Now I guess XERF will resurrect too.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yo my man! You will notice I have kept your identity safely hid from these folks.

I think someone is pulling a WWOD stunt.:igotit

[retsambeW]

Now I guess XERF will resurrect too.

No, Scott, XERF has no plans that I know of. This Frank is the real and original Frank from the old place. Admin can verify our ip's are many miles apart.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Boy Felicity will be surprised.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Did someone say my name?
Speak of the devil and he is sure to appear!
Time for all us true believing young preachers to show up.

Welcome aboard Frank!

:welcome

[retsambeW]

Boy Felicity will be surprised.

Counting on it! :D

[Scott Hutchinson]

BOY if someone named Foster Four shows up or oldpaths1945 then I'll know I'm in a time-warp.

[HeavenlyOne]

Now I guess XERF will resurrect too.

He better not!


:nah

[Felicity]

Frank's here?!! :faint

LOL! I doubt it!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Frank's here?!! :faint

LOL! I doubt it!

I can vouch that Frank is here. Albeit, offline now.

:boomm

[Felicity]

I can vouch that Frank is here. Albeit, offline now.

:boommSerious?!! Well then in that case ..........

Welcome to AFF Frank! :nutso




(I think he's forgiven me by now for that "little incident" on FCF.) ;) :)

[Coonskinner]

Even I would have bought a ticket to see that fight!!:winkgrin

I don't lnow that we could have really called that a "fight." :)

[RevDWW]

I don't lnow that we could have really called that a "fight." :)

Good Morning Coonskinner! How goes the fight?

[Coonskinner]

Good Morning Coonskinner! How goes the fight?


Well, which fight are you talking about?:)

[Ferd]

Jim and myself had a quite heated discussion via pm over two different articles I did not at first understand the concept but after our discourse I was convinced he was correct in his theory of airing the matter. All those discussions with Newman and them Elder Blume and here came the Branhamites were fun. I think the discussions between Elder Blume and Elder Chalfant and Parson was the best you could have gotten of those topics all three were students and articulate. Newman and Sab were great.

ahh the branhamites. that was fun.

[Esther]

ahh the branhamites. that was fun.

And very interesting.

[RevDWW]

Well, which fight are you talking about?:)

Which everyone your in at present. Don't we all battle from day to day?

[Barb]

Serious?!! Well then in that case ..........

Welcome to AFF Frank! :nutso




(I think he's forgiven me by now for that "little incident" on FCF.) ;) :)

Uh-oh...:winkgrin