View Full Version : OK...CharismaticEvang. Selling Blood of Jesus Oil
StMark
07-05-2008, 11:52 PM
http://www.woodymartin.org/
~ ~ ~ ~ SCROLL DOWN AND SEE !!! ~ ~ ~ ~
Asking for your opinoin please
RandyWayne
07-06-2008, 12:17 AM
I looked.... and wasn't sure what I was looking for either. LOL
StMark
07-06-2008, 12:18 AM
Fixed
Didn't see what you were talking about but I did see a post about a shout out to all us Canadians!:happydance
He talks about no limits, I always thought that was my dream credit card!:bliss
Ahhh, not I see the right link.
Looks like a gimmick to me.
StMark
07-06-2008, 12:21 AM
(((BLOOD OF JESUS ANOINTING OIL)))
Order yours today!!!!!
http://www.woodymartin.org/
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Timmy
07-06-2008, 08:14 AM
Just when you think you've seen it all.... :doh
Horrible and repugnant. Another ploy to profit off the people of God. Almost as bad as magic hair.
OneAccord
07-06-2008, 09:01 AM
Woody Martin has been working hard for years to find the right "formulla" to cure the world of its ailments, and, of course, to cure his own ailing bank account. Looks like he has found it. Stay tuned, however, when this venture no longer works (i.e., is no longer profitable), he'll have a "revelation" of a new one in a couple of months. "Miracle Dirt" from the Holy Land, maybe. No... I think thats been done. I liked the one an evangelist used a few years ago... a "miracle hankerchief" that was stained with the preachers own "sweat and tears" while he "agonized" in prayer for my needs. (I think I appeared to him in a vision, though I don't recall being there). Musta not have been me, I failed to send in my $50 love gift and didn't get my hanky.
chaotic_resolve
07-06-2008, 11:26 AM
Terrible gimmick. I'll give him credit on one thing ... at least he's honest and upfront about the oil.
This is regular olive oil which represents the Holy Spirit and a special coloring to make it look red thus we call it "The Blood of Jesus Anointing Oil." There is no virtue or healing in this oil, it is a point-of-contact and an act-of-faith.
Cindy
07-06-2008, 11:34 AM
I think God doesn't like people using the name of Jesus for things like this. It just seems wrong to me.
stmatthew
07-06-2008, 01:42 PM
Maybe you can ask Atlanta Bishop about ole Woody Martin. I believe he was a part of this ministry years back.
btw- WM has his church about 15 minutes from my house. I have not felt the need to visit, but if I should need to get some "Blood of Jesus Anointing Oil", I know where to go. ;)
RandyWayne
07-06-2008, 01:46 PM
"Anthony Sulivan here for the amazing PRAYER CLOTH! Just watch how he puts it on, prayes, and in less than 30 SECONDS, his prayers are answered! Use it at home, at or on the way to work, even Church! There has never been anything like it! Only 29.95 but if you order in the next 30 minutes we'll throw in a second one FREE (only pay shipping and handling). Call now!"
Brad Murphy
07-06-2008, 01:48 PM
I would have already been worried about the REGULAR olive oil staining my clothes... now this...
steve p
07-06-2008, 01:49 PM
Mark .....you amaze me in finding the most off the wall stuff on the web. Hmmmmm..I wonder what you do in your "spare" time! LOL By the way, I dont buy "Jesus Junk". Its just not right. Plain and simple!
Blessings!
RevDWW
07-06-2008, 01:51 PM
Horrible and repugnant. Another ploy to profit off the people of God. Almost as bad as magic hair.
Surely you jest!
Maybe you can ask Atlanta Bishop about ole Woody Martin. I believe he was a part of this ministry years back.
btw- WM has his church about 15 minutes from my house. I have not felt the need to visit, but if I should need to get some "Blood of Jesus Anointing Oil", I know where to go. ;)
No need to go too far ....
If you need protection or a supernatural occurrence ... you can always wrap yourself around some holy hair.
Sherri
07-06-2008, 01:59 PM
Mark .....you amaze me in finding the most off the wall stuff on the web. Hmmmmm..I wonder what you do in your "spare" time! LOL By the way, I dont buy "Jesus Junk". Its just not right. Plain and simple!
Blessings!
We call it HOLY HARDWARE.:whistle
Terrible gimmick. I'll give him credit on one thing ... at least he's honest and upfront about the oil.
Surely you jest!
Agreed, he does state that it has no virtue and is a point of contact for faith ... no such disclaimer is given by LS and the Holy Hair crowd. Rather we're told it's power with or because of angels.
Either way it leads to confusion ... it codifies "points of faith" ... which leads the human heart to rely on their self sufficiency, performance and propensity for idolatry.
Sherri
07-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Agreed, he does state that it has no virtue and is a point of contact for faith ... no such disclaimer is given by LS and the Holy Hair crowd. Rather we're told it's power with or because of angels.
Either way it leads to confusion ... it codifies "points of faith" ... which leads the human heart to rely on their self sufficiency, performance and propensity for idolatry.
BTW, It was good to see your mom today!
Brad Murphy
07-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Just don't meddle with prayer cloths or those things you are supposed to hang by your front door (forgot what they are called)... ;)
BTW, It was good to see your mom today!
I'm glad she got a chance to go visit all of the Love and Truth gang.
She'll be there for at least a week or more.....
We miss her!!!
U376977
07-06-2008, 02:07 PM
I really don't understand so many of the people on AFF. We are critical of a man who offiers, "blood of Jesus" oil--yet you accept a tattooed t-shirt and jeans wearing "minister" bringing "revival" in Lakeland.??? What gives?
Please don't critize another man of God!!
I went to Woody Martin's church in desperate need of a miracle. I was in daily pain in with my heart. The Dr. wanted to do by-pass on me. Woody Martin called me out and prayed for me and I received a miracle. Then he asked me if the name "William" meant anything to me. THAT IS MY NAME. He did not know me. No one got my name before church. I am not an easy manipulted charismatic--typical of the Lakeland crowd--I know how to spot a con. Woody Martin had to have been operating in the spiritual gifts to call me out by name and to know my illness and then get the power of God to manifest and bring a healing to me. I have not had chest pain for over 3 months now--have not had the by-pass or been touched by Drs., it was all the power of God. I am healed.
When I visited his Church I met a lady who had been healed from blindness. A man who was an alcoholic for 18 years, delivered. Another man who left the hospital to go home and into hospic, on the way home he stoped at the church and was healed--that was several years ago. I talked with a young man--full of the Holy Ghost--who had been delivered from crack. He and his wife and baby were in the service praising God.
I will not fight him because he uses red anointing oil. It is not a money gimmick! Wood Martin does not need money. He is independantly wealthy. He has a weekly broadcast on Word network--and about 50 people in the congregation. Who do you think pays for the broadcast--not the congregation. It is coming out of his pocket and those that watch the brodcast.
stmatthew
07-06-2008, 02:08 PM
No need to go too far ....
If you need protection or a supernatural occurrence ... you can always wrap yourself around some holy hair.
hahaha!! My wife would fall under the definition of Uncut, but don't grow. Her hair is probably shoulder length or a little longer, but just don't grow any longer.
I really don't understand so many of the people on AFF. We are critical of a man who offiers, "blood of Jesus" oil--yet you accept a tattooed t-shirt and jeans wearing "minister" bringing "revival" in Lakeland.??? What gives?
Please don't critize another man of God!!
I went to Woody Martin's church in desperate need of a miracle. I was in daily pain in with my heart. The Dr. wanted to do by-pass on me. Woody Martin called me out and prayed for me and I received a miracle. Then he asked me if the name "William" meant anything to me. THAT IS MY NAME. He did not know me. No one got my name before church. I am not an easy manipulted charismatic--typical of the Lakeland crowd--I know how to spot a con. Woody Martin had to have been operating in the spiritual gifts to call me out by name and to know my illness and then get the power of God to manifest and bring a healing to me. I have not had chest pain for over 3 months now--have not had the by-pass or been touched by Drs., it was all the power of God. I am healed.
When I visited his Church I met a lady who had been healed from blindness. A man who was an alcoholic for 18 years, delivered. Another man who left the hospital to go home and into hospic, on the way home he stoped at the church and was healed--that was several years ago. I talked with a young man--full of the Holy Ghost--who had been delivered from crack. He and his wife and baby were in the service praising God.
I will not fight him because he uses red anointing oil. It is not a money gimmick! Wood Martin does not need money. He is independantly wealthy. He has a weekly broadcast on Word network--and about 50 people in the congregation. Who do you think pays for the broadcast--not the congregation. It is coming out of his pocket and those that watch the brodcast.
Thank God that he used WM's ministry for your healing ...!!! Soli Deo Gloria!!!
That doesn't take way from the error of selling this ... or how it appears to most of the unchurched thus affecting how the Church as whole is perceived.
stmatthew
07-06-2008, 02:13 PM
I really don't understand so many of the people on AFF. We are critical of a man who offiers, "blood of Jesus" oil--yet you accept a tattooed t-shirt and jeans wearing "minister" bringing "revival" in Lakeland.??? What gives?
Please don't critize another man of God!!
I went to Woody Martin's church in desperate need of a miracle. I was in daily pain in with my heart. The Dr. wanted to do by-pass on me. Woody Martin called me out and prayed for me and I received a miracle. Then he asked me if the name "William" meant anything to me. THAT IS MY NAME. He did not know me. No one got my name before church. I am not an easy manipulted charismatic--typical of the Lakeland crowd--I know how to spot a con. Woody Martin had to have been operating in the spiritual gifts to call me out by name and to know my illness and then get the power of God to manifest and bring a healing to me. I have not had chest pain for over 3 months now--have not had the by-pass or been touched by Drs., it was all the power of God. I am healed.
When I visited his Church I met a lady who had been healed from blindness. A man who was an alcoholic for 18 years, delivered. Another man who left the hospital to go home and into hospic, on the way home he stoped at the church and was healed--that was several years ago. I talked with a young man--full of the Holy Ghost--who had been delivered from crack. He and his wife and baby were in the service praising God.
I will not fight him because he uses red anointing oil. It is not a money gimmick! Wood Martin does not need money. He is independantly wealthy. He has a weekly broadcast on Word network--and about 50 people in the congregation. Who do you think pays for the broadcast--not the congregation. It is coming out of his pocket and those that watch the brodcast.
U3,
Anywhere faith is preached God will answer. I do not doubt that WM has had many real miracles take place. And I would likewise say that it is a shame that more Apostolics do not work in this vein of faith than do. But IMHO, if a mans doctrine is not right, then while I can commend what God is doing because of faith, I cannot commend the man as on the proper foundation. Again, this is just my opinion.
Nahum
07-06-2008, 02:15 PM
I cannot believe we are attacking this man of God!
Oh the humanity!
I also can't believe how hypocritical St. Mark is.
He just rent his clothes and sat in ashes over the LS thread, and now he posts this?
What gives?
I cannot believe we are attacking this man of God!
Oh the humanity!
I also can't believe how hypocritical St. Mark is.
He just rent his clothes and sat in ashes over the LS thread, and now he posts this?
What gives?
The rules state we can't bash or ridicule men of God and organizations ... this thread shows what AFF has become.
Why isn't anyone listening to me.
Brad Murphy
07-06-2008, 02:19 PM
The rules state we can't bash or ridicule men of God and organizations ... this thread shows what AFF has become.
Why isn't anyone listening to me.
Bump...
U376977
07-06-2008, 02:20 PM
Thank God that he used WM's ministry for your healing ...!!! Soli Deo Gloria!!!
That doesn't take way from the error of selling this ... or it appears to most of the unchurched thus affecting how the Church as whole is perceived.
Thank you for Praising God with me.
He does not "sell" the oil. Only offers it free in the mail as a point of contact for your own prayer. Same thing so many other ministers do--he just adds the red food color to the oil. It just helps some peoole with their faith. I really do not see the harm. If you believe it will work for you. If you do not believe---it will not work. Just like anything else. I prayed for 100 people this morning and put oil on them--what is so different in obeying James 5:14 and what he does??? I can do it face to face, but he is on TV and send oil thru the mail.
tstew
07-06-2008, 02:21 PM
No need to go too far ....
If you need protection or a supernatural occurrence ... you can always wrap yourself around some holy hair.
I hope we don't make every thread about hair now. But let me just say that I believe the Bible when it says that the shadow of Peter healed, I believe the Bible when it says that the cloths that Peter sent out healed. I don't believe that the Power was derived from either. And I don't think that those things being used detracts from the Power...because nothing can detract from the Power. I don't know any Scriptural basis for Peter using the cloths in the first place (Maybe some of the "Theological debate room" crowd can help me out.
My biggest problem with these type of things is not really the using of these symbols, it's the selling of those symbols. I don't believe Peter or any of the true Apostles would have. Why would you not want people to have these things if you really believed in the power. At times it looked like I was looking at any catalog site on the web.
Nahum
07-06-2008, 02:23 PM
I cannot believe we are attacking this man of God!
Oh the humanity!
I also can't believe how hypocritical St. Mark is.
He just rent his clothes and sat in ashes over the LS thread, and now he posts this?
What gives?
The rules state we can't bash or ridicule men of God and organizations ... this thread shows what AFF has become.
Why isn't anyone listening to me.
I think St. Mark has a serious double standard.
Why is what this man is doing any worse than what LS promoted?
Both promise phenomenal results rooted in faith in inanimate objects rather than Jesus Christ.
I think St. Mark has a serious double standard.
Why is what this man is doing any worse than what LS promoted?
Both promise phenomenal results rooted in faith in inanimate objects rather than Jesus Christ.
I postulate that he put out this thread to even the playing field ... and to get reaction ...
What he does not understand as that most here see error in both HOLY HARDWARE AND HOLY HAIR ...
and affiliation to ideology doesn't sway our love for truth ... no matter what our differences are.
stmatthew
07-06-2008, 02:35 PM
I postulate that he put out this thread to even the playing field ... and to get reaction ...
What he does not understand as that most here see error in both HOLY HARDWARE AND HOLY HAIR ...
and affiliation to ideology doesn't sway our love for truth ... no matter what our differences are.
Now THAT made me laugh!!:ursofunny
U376977
07-06-2008, 02:46 PM
U3,
Anywhere faith is preached God will answer. I do not doubt that WM has had many real miracles take place. And I would likewise say that it is a shame that more Apostolics do not work in this vein of faith than do. But IMHO, if a mans doctrine is not right, then while I can commend what God is doing because of faith, I cannot commend the man as on the proper foundation. Again, this is just my opinion.
I agree completely with you. And honestly, when I first heard him refer to the "blood of Jesus oil" it triped my religious ears. But I realize like you that it is just something that will cause faith to be released in many people.
If he offered it for sale, like he has been accused of on this thread, I would really have a problem with it, but it is free. Of course, he will send letters asking people to "partner" with him. But I really see no difference in that and what I do on a Sunday morning in our church. Mine is face to face and his is by mail. I'll give a free prayer cloth and I have oil bottles I will pass out to those who request it. NO magic in the oil, prayer clothes OR HAIR, LOL.
tstew
07-06-2008, 02:54 PM
I agree completely with you. And honestly, when I first heard him refer to the "blood of Jesus oil" it triped my religious ears. But I realize like you that it is just something that will cause faith to be released in many people.
If he offered it for sale, like he has been accused of on this thread, I would really have a problem with it, but it is free. Of course, he will send letters asking people to "partner" with him. But I really see know difference in that and what I do on a Sunday morning in our church. Mine is face to face and his is by mail. I'll give a free prayer cloth and I have oil bottles I will pass out to those who request it. NO magic in the oil, prayer clothes OR HAIR, LOL.
U3, I don't really know a lot about this particular person, but I'm just saying what I see. Maybe a $100 "donation" for a shawl is not the same as charging $100. Perhaps the credit cards whose info is arrayed just like any other site that is selling will no the difference :) All of these types that I have come across do specify a "donation" amount. I have been tempted to call some of them and order and make it plain that I have no interest in "donating" just to see what happens.
stmatthew
07-06-2008, 02:55 PM
I agree completely with you. And honestly, when I first heard him refer to the "blood of Jesus oil" it triped my religious ears. But I realize like you that it is just something that will cause faith to be released in many people.
If he offered it for sale, like he has been accused of on this thread, I would really have a problem with it, but it is free. Of course, he will send letters asking people to "partner" with him. But I really see no difference in that and what I do on a Sunday morning in our church. Mine is face to face and his is by mail. I'll give a free prayer cloth and I have oil bottles I will pass out to those who request it. NO magic in the oil, prayer clothes OR HAIR, LOL.
Btw, how is Charlotte? I spent about 15 years living in the Avery Co area (Beach Mnt, Sugar Mnt). I came down off the "Mount of Zion" every once in a while and drove to Charlotte.
stmatthew
07-06-2008, 02:57 PM
U3, I don't really know a lot about this particular person, but I'm just saying what I see. Maybe a $100 "donation" for a shawl is not the same as charging $100. Perhaps the credit cards whose info is arrayed just like any other site that is selling will no the difference :) All of these types that I have come across do specify a "donation" amount. I have been tempted to call some of them and order and make it plain that I have no interest in "donating" just to see what happens.
I do believe Woody Martin gives this away at no charge to those that call and ask for it. That is what I remember hearing anyway.
tstew
07-06-2008, 03:05 PM
I do believe Woody Martin gives this away at no charge to those that call and ask for it. That is what I remember hearing anyway.
Like I said, I had never heard of this person before, but in scrolling his site I did see something about a $100 "donation" for the shawl. That is very typical for what's out there today as they have a myriad of reasons that they can't sell for profit.
U376977
07-06-2008, 03:29 PM
Btw, how is Charlotte? I spent about 15 years living in the Avery Co area (Beach Mnt, Sugar Mnt). I came down off the "Mount of Zion" every once in a while and drove to Charlotte.
Charlotte is my wife's city, I really do not like this place. But don't get me started on Charlotte. If you grace us out of "Zion" on occasion, let me know and I will host you for lunch and then visit you in Zion!!
StMark
07-06-2008, 03:30 PM
I think St. Mark has a serious double standard.
Why is what this man is doing any worse than what LS promoted?
Both promise phenomenal results rooted in faith in inanimate objects rather than Jesus Christ.
noticed I never said anything against this man???
Besides, he's with that charismatic bunch. LS is one
our own.
This is an apostolic Forum still, no???
stmatthew
07-06-2008, 03:30 PM
Charlotte is my wife's city, I really do not like this place. But don't get me started on Charlotte. If you grace us out of "Zion" on occasion, let me know and I will host you for lunch and then visit you in Zion!!
Zion was the North Carolina Mountains. I am in Egypt (Knoxville, TN) now. HAHAHA!!!
Nahum
07-06-2008, 03:33 PM
noticed I never said anything against this man???
Besides, he's with that charismatic bunch. LS is one
our own.
This is an apostolic Forum still, no???
Don't patronize me Friend.
What was your purpose in posting this?
StMark
07-06-2008, 03:35 PM
Don't patronize me Friend.
What was your purpose in posting this?
I love eccentric topics and threads
U376977
07-06-2008, 03:36 PM
Like I said, I had never heard of this person before, but in scrolling his site I did see something about a $100 "donation" for the shawl. That is very typical for what's out there today as they have a myriad of reasons that they can't sell for profit.
We are all sophistcated enough to know that this is IRS rules--what is sold must be taxed. What is given away for donation is different. Same way with any tape or book minstry in our churches. If you sell retail than you better collect sales tax. That is why many ask for a "suggested donation." On the BB broadcast I just watched they were selling Bishop Patterson's DVD for a $20 donation, CD $15 etc. ---same principle as the prayer shawl. Those "shawls" are about $40 wholesale---I have bought them before. He is making about $50 per shawl that is sold/donatation.
Nahum
07-06-2008, 03:37 PM
I love eccentric topics and threads
Sure.
anapko
07-06-2008, 07:24 PM
Thank you for Praising God with me.
He does not "sell" the oil. Only offers it free in the mail as a point of contact for your own prayer. Same thing so many other ministers do--he just adds the red food color to the oil. It just helps some peoole with their faith. I really do not see the harm. If you believe it will work for you. If you do not believe---it will not work. Just like anything else. I prayed for 100 people this morning and put oil on them--what is so different in obeying James 5:14 and what he does??? I can do it face to face, but he is on TV and send oil thru the mail.
Sounds too Catholic to me! The early church didn't need "points of contacts" for faith...they just demonstrated it!
tstew
07-06-2008, 08:37 PM
We are all sophistcated enough to know that this is IRS rules--what is sold must be taxed. What is given away for donation is different. Same way with any tape or book minstry in our churches. If you sell retail than you better collect sales tax. That is why many ask for a "suggested donation." On the BB broadcast I just watched they were selling Bishop Patterson's DVD for a $20 donation, CD $15 etc. ---same principle as the prayer shawl. Those "shawls" are about $40 wholesale---I have bought them before. He is making about $50 per shawl that is sold/donatation.
U3, I was not talking about sophistication or why they term it as a "suggested donation". I do understand that if they did not have those tax concerns that they would just advertise that it costs $19.99. My point is that I am more concerned about people doing it for money than using a "point of contact" as a principle. I'm not sure that Peter would have done it that way.
U376977
07-06-2008, 08:43 PM
Sounds too Catholic to me! The early church didn't need "points of contacts" for faith...they just demonstrated it!
Well, I think you are wrong. Just my opinion. The church certainly did use anointing oil, James 5:14-15 says to for the elders of the church and let them "anoint" with oil. The point that you question is the oil being a "point of contact." I think so. What other purpose does the anointing with oil serve? Surely, you do not think that there are healing qualities in the oil itself?
Second, what about the prayer clothes that were taken from the body of Paul (actually handkerchiefs and aprons) and given to the sick and demon possessed. Did the clothes somehow retain an anointing from being on the body of Paul, or were they a "point of contact"? I think possibly both, they had a lingering healing anointing from being in contact with the apostle and they were a "point of contact."
Cindy
07-06-2008, 08:44 PM
I think St. Mark has a serious double standard.
Why is what this man is doing any worse than what LS promoted?
Both promise phenomenal results rooted in faith in inanimate objects rather than Jesus Christ.
Did Mark say he approved of this? If he did I missed it.
ManOfWord
07-06-2008, 08:47 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how far some of these guys will go to promote their wackiness to turn a buck $$$$$$$. It truly sickens me! Almost as much as.........................no, I won't go there. :D
StMark
07-06-2008, 11:06 PM
Did Mark say he approved of this? If he did I missed it.
Sister Cindy,
Don't worry about it. Some folks are natural fault finders.
Although I have never attacked him,Pastor Poster has always
gone out of his way to to try to openly debase me at any given
chance.
I choose to ignore it.
Sister Alvear
07-06-2008, 11:39 PM
People sure fall for a lot of weird things...
tstew
07-07-2008, 07:27 AM
People sure fall for a lot of weird things...
What is sad and particularly reprehensible to me is why they fall for wierd things. Many of these people are sincerely looking for answers and the presence of God in their lives, and some would take advantage of that.
StillStanding
07-07-2008, 07:32 AM
I want one of those fancy prayer shaws! :)
Timmy
07-07-2008, 07:35 AM
I fell for some weird stuff, in the past. :winkgrin
tstew
07-07-2008, 07:36 AM
I fell for some weird stuff, in the past. :winkgrin
I'm not sure I want to pursue this :)
Timmy
07-07-2008, 07:49 AM
I'm not sure I want to pursue this :)
:toofunny
Sister Cindy,
Don't worry about it. Some folks are natural fault finders.
Although I have never attacked him,Pastor Poster has always
gone out of his way to to try to openly debase me at any given
chance.
I choose to ignore it.
You choose to ignore quite a bit :(
You dodge the main questions you cant refute, and answer/point out the minor things that mean nothing.
StMark
07-07-2008, 12:27 PM
You choose to ignore quite a bit :(
You dodge the main questions you cant refute, and answer/point out the minor things that mean nothing.
What questions are you talking about?
Many, many questions or statements across many threads.
StMark
07-07-2008, 12:47 PM
Many, many questions or statements across many threads.
Thanks for pointing this out to me with the facts.
It would be a waist of time. If I spent the time, gathered the facts, and left it undeniable proof (atleast to say 95% of the AFF population) - You would simply ignore it OR pull the 2 , or 3 lines out , answer them, and say "nu uh!" I just wish I knew the secret to unlocking peoples.... Eyes? Guessing that's something that I can't do, atleast without God's assured purpose for that person.
Or I guess you could just read 1 our of ten post in a thread and it happens to be one you could reply to. Guess that's a possibility.
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