I just saw a Butch Lesbian with long flowing hair

[Dr. Vaughn]

NOT

Did Not happen but I saw several today at the beach and they all looked the same.... hair shorter than mine and desperatly wanting to be a man....

While I am not gonna judge a Christian lady to hell for having short hair.. I have never seem a BUTCH LESBIAN want to have beautiful long flowing hair.. it reminds her of the fact that she was created to be a helper to man and that drives her insane and as a result will NEVER have long hair.......

There is a Spirit behind a dear sister wanting her hair to be short.... just as Lesbians cut their hair and shape it like a mans in rebellion to male authority I believe that Spirit is prevelant in the church today....

Why would a Christian lady not want long hair as a sign of her place in Gods divine order?

If you will read the story of the Martyrs in the early church.. they would take the Christian women and put tar to their LONG HAIR and burn them starting at their hair... .... there is much historical data suggesting to us that Christian women has always worn long hair???

Why would a woman not want to keep in the way of her foremothers? The ones who walked with Christ all had long hair.... we must look no further than Mary to see hair taking down her long hair to wash the feet of our Lord.

Why would a lady want to walk in the same Spirit as Dyke Lesbians who refuse to wear long hair?

[The Mrs]

It doesn't seem like your paradigm would necessarily fit too well with all cultures and all eras of the world. :dunno

[Sherri]

We have one that's been coming to church some with long hair and she's VERY manly. But I will admit it's unusual. Usually they seem to have blond short spikes.

[Cindy]

I am happy the way God made me. When it comes right down to it, lesbians and homosexual men are just living in denial and lies.

[jaxfam6]

"I just saw a Butch Lesbian with long flowing hair"

Were you looking in the mirror again? Haven't I told you to stop that? People are going to start to talk



j/k

[Cindy]

"I just saw a Butch Lesbian with long flowing hair"

Were you looking in the mirror again? Haven't I told you to stop that? People are going to start to talk



j/k

:ursofunny

[RandyWayne]

NOT

Did Not happen but I saw several today at the beach and they all looked the same.... hair shorter than mine and desperatly wanting to be a man....

While I am not gonna judge a Christian lady to hell for having short hair.. I have never seem a BUTCH LESBIAN want to have beautiful long flowing hair.. it reminds her of the fact that she was created to be a helper to man and that drives her insane and as a result will NEVER have long hair.......

There is a Spirit behind a dear sister wanting her hair to be short.... just as Lesbians cut their hair and shape it like a mans in rebellion to male authority I believe that Spirit is prevelant in the church today....

Why would a Christian lady not want long hair as a sign of her place in Gods divine order?

If you will read the story of the Martyrs in the early church.. they would take the Christian women and put tar to their LONG HAIR and burn them starting at their hair... .... there is much historical data suggesting to us that Christian women has always worn long hair???

Why would a woman not want to keep in the way of her foremothers? The ones who walked with Christ all had long hair.... we must look no further than Mary to see hair taking down her long hair to wash the feet of our Lord.

Why would a lady want to walk in the same Spirit as Dyke Lesbians who refuse to wear long hair?

What about the "spirit" of simply wanting hair that is easier to take care of? My wife has relatively short hair (NOT butched, but usually just above her shoulders) and even though she knows I would like it a bit longer she HATES having to spend any amount of time taking care of it every single morning.

[U376977]

NOT

Did Not happen but I saw several today at the beach and they all looked the same.... hair shorter than mine and desperatly wanting to be a man....

While I am not gonna judge a Christian lady to hell for having short hair.. I have never seem a BUTCH LESBIAN want to have beautiful long flowing hair.. it reminds her of the fact that she was created to be a helper to man and that drives her insane and as a result will NEVER have long hair.......

There is a Spirit behind a dear sister wanting her hair to be short.... just as Lesbians cut their hair and shape it like a mans in rebellion to male authority I believe that Spirit is prevelant in the church today....

Why would a Christian lady not want long hair as a sign of her place in Gods divine order?

If you will read the story of the Martyrs in the early church.. they would take the Christian women and put tar to their LONG HAIR and burn them starting at their hair... .... there is much historical data suggesting to us that Christian women has always worn long hair???

Why would a woman not want to keep in the way of her foremothers? The ones who walked with Christ all had long hair.... we must look no further than Mary to see hair taking down her long hair to wash the feet of our Lord.

Why would a lady want to walk in the same Spirit as Dyke Lesbians who refuse to wear long hair?

If the Lord were to come to most churches today. We would have no Marys that could wash his feet with their hair. If they tried they would have to stand on their head!!!

[steve p]

Hmmmmmmm. ....., one lesbian attends our church....,and she has long hair. I guess I need to tell her to cut it.......so she can have the right spirit....

[The Mrs]

NOT

Did Not happen but I saw several today at the beach and they all looked the same.... hair shorter than mine and desperatly wanting to be a man....

While I am not gonna judge a Christian lady to hell for having short hair.. I have never seem a BUTCH LESBIAN want to have beautiful long flowing hair.. it reminds her of the fact that she was created to be a helper to man and that drives her insane and as a result will NEVER have long hair.......

There is a Spirit behind a dear sister wanting her hair to be short.... just as Lesbians cut their hair and shape it like a mans in rebellion to male authority I believe that Spirit is prevelant in the church today....

Why would a Christian lady not want long hair as a sign of her place in Gods divine order?

If you will read the story of the Martyrs in the early church.. they would take the Christian women and put tar to their LONG HAIR and burn them starting at their hair... .... there is much historical data suggesting to us that Christian women has always worn long hair???

Why would a woman not want to keep in the way of her foremothers? The ones who walked with Christ all had long hair.... we must look no further than Mary to see hair taking down her long hair to wash the feet of our Lord.

Why would a lady want to walk in the same Spirit as Dyke Lesbians who refuse to wear long hair?

I think I'm going to disagree with your statement here.

I don't think they are doing it for the reasons you state. I think they are doing it because they want to be identified as a man. They wear men's clothes, they wear men's hair styles, and act as men. It's called perversion, not just rebellion.

Just because a woman wishes to wear her hair short doesn't mean she is partaking in any kind of rebellion OR perversion.

For every opinion you offer, there are others who can disprove it by offering theirs. :winkgrin

[rgcraig]

If the Lord were to come to most churches today. We would have no Marys that could wash his feet with their hair. If they tried they would have to stand on their head!!!

Any woman could wash his feet............drying with their hair would be a problem in most churches anyway. Who would want their feet dried with hairspray ladened hair!:crazy

[OnTheFritz]

NOT

Did Not happen but I saw several today at the beach and they all looked the same.... hair shorter than mine and desperatly wanting to be a man....

While I am not gonna judge a Christian lady to hell for having short hair.. I have never seem a BUTCH LESBIAN want to have beautiful long flowing hair.. it reminds her of the fact that she was created to be a helper to man and that drives her insane and as a result will NEVER have long hair.......]

Your conclusion is based on assumption and broad generalization.

There is a Spirit behind a dear sister wanting her hair to be short.... just as Lesbians cut their hair and shape it like a mans in rebellion to male authority I believe that Spirit is prevelant in the church today....
Your conclusion is based on assumption and broad generalization.

Why would a Christian lady not want long hair as a sign of her place in Gods divine order?

If you will read the story of the Martyrs in the early church.. they would take the Christian women and put tar to their LONG HAIR and burn them starting at their hair... .... there is much historical data suggesting to us that Christian women has always worn long hair???

Why would a woman not want to keep in the way of her foremothers? The ones who walked with Christ all had long hair.... we must look no further than Mary to see hair taking down her long hair to wash the feet of our Lord.

Your conclusion is based on assumption. I imagine that she could have also used a towel.

Why would a lady want to walk in the same Spirit as Dyke Lesbians who refuse to wear long hair?

Your conclusion is based on assumption. And this is an insulting conclusion at that. What makes you able to discern the spirits of these women?

[U376977]

Any woman could wash his feet............drying with their hair would be a problem in most churches anyway. Who would want their feet dried with hairspray ladened hair!:crazy

You gave me my laugh for the day. Very funny.

[OneAccord]

NOT

Did Not happen but I saw several today at the beach and they all looked the same.... hair shorter than mine and desperatly wanting to be a man....

While I am not gonna judge a Christian lady to hell for having short hair.. I have never seem a BUTCH LESBIAN want to have beautiful long flowing hair.. it reminds her of the fact that she was created to be a helper to man and that drives her insane and as a result will NEVER have long hair.......

There is a Spirit behind a dear sister wanting her hair to be short.... just as Lesbians cut their hair and shape it like a mans in rebellion to male authority I believe that Spirit is prevelant in the church today....

Why would a Christian lady not want long hair as a sign of her place in Gods divine order?

If you will read the story of the Martyrs in the early church.. they would take the Christian women and put tar to their LONG HAIR and burn them starting at their hair... .... there is much historical data suggesting to us that Christian women has always worn long hair???

Why would a woman not want to keep in the way of her foremothers? The ones who walked with Christ all had long hair.... we must look no further than Mary to see hair taking down her long hair to wash the feet of our Lord.

Why would a lady want to walk in the same Spirit as Dyke Lesbians who refuse to wear long hair?

With all due respect to Bro. Vaughn, but the generalizations here would be laughable if they weren't so sad. Because a woman echooses to wear her hair short, she desperately wants to be a man? The implication that women with short hair are rebellious, has a "spirit" and refuses to submit to male authority is ridiclous to say the least. Hair is a sign of divine order? So, convesely, a woman who has long hair is in divine order, has no "bad spirit", is not rebellious and willingly submits to male aithority. Thats equally ridiculous.
Bro Vaughns last statement is just ... just out there. Offensive to say the least. In fact, of all the endless posts about womens hair, this one takes the cake.

My veiw on womens hair, not that my view matters. We are Pentecostal. Long hair on women is a Pentecostal tradition. I prefer to see sisters follow the Pentecostal tradition of having long hair. How long is long? Thats not up to me, thats up to the "hair wearer". My late wife wore her hair rather short for two reasons: 1) She preferred it that way and, 2) arthritis made it difficult for her to manage her hair as well as she would have liked to. She was certainly not deperately trying to be a man, nor was she rebellious.
The spirit I see prevalent in this the quote above is the spirit that seeks to control and dominate our sisters into mindless, unquestioning zombies that are nothing more than servants to their masters. The word "Nicolatians" comes to mind. "Conquer the laity".

Besides, brother, I thought women weren't CREATED- they are mere "by-products" of creation.

[marthaolivia]

If you will read the story of the Martyrs in the early church.. they would take the Christian women and put tar to their LONG HAIR and burn them starting at their hair...

Just another reason not to have really long hair:evilglee

[OneAccord]

If one sees a woman desperately trying to be a man under every haircut at the beach, perhaps he shouldn't go to the beach anymore!

[Margies3]

This has to be one of the most disgusting and judgemental threads ever posted here on AFF.

Sadly, Bro Vaughn, I don't hear even one speck of love coming out of your post. Perhaps if we would all just ask God to see people through HIS eyes, we might see them differently. And we might see that God looks at the heart of the person, not at their hair.

[chosenbyone]

This has to be one of the most disgusting and judgemental threads ever posted here on AFF.

Sadly, Bro Vaughn, I don't hear even one speck of love coming out of your post. Perhaps if we would all just ask God to see people through HIS eyes, we might see them differently. And we might see that God looks at the heart of the person, not at their hair.

Why would a lady want to walk in the same Spirit as Dyke Lesbians who refuse to wear long hair?

I would agree with Margie that this was one of the most disgusting and judgmental threads here on AFF! So, your opinion was that any woman who wore her hair short had the same spirit as a "Dyke Lesbian"? Do you not see how offensive that statement was??? As a minister, have you ever wanted to see any of those "Dyke Lesbians" saved or have you been so disgusted that you wouldn't even bother reaching out to them with the love of God?

BTW, the word dyke is an offensive term...much like faggot! It's not a term I would expect a man of God to use...

[Cindy]

I would agree with Margie that this was one of the most disgusting and judgmental threads here on AFF! So, your opinion was that any woman who wore her hair short had the same spirit as a "Dyke Lesbian"? Do you not see how offensive that statement was??? As a minister, have you ever wanted to see any of those "Dyke Lesbians" saved or have you been so disgusted that you wouldn't even bother reaching out to them with the love of God?

BTW, the word dyke is an offensive term...much like faggot! It's not a term I would expect a man of God to use...

AMEN!

[TRFrance]

NOT

Did Not happen but I saw several today at the beach and they all looked the same.... hair shorter than mine and desperately wanting to be a man....

While I am not gonna judge a Christian lady to hell for having short hair.. I have never seem a BUTCH LESBIAN want to have beautiful long flowing hair.. it reminds her of the fact that she was created to be a helper to man and that drives her insane and as a result will NEVER have long hair.......

There is a Spirit behind a dear sister wanting her hair to be short.... just as Lesbians cut their hair and shape it like a mans in rebellion to male authority I believe that Spirit is prevalent in the church today....

Why would a Christian lady not want long hair as a sign of her place in Gods divine order?

If you will read the story of the Martyrs in the early church.. they would take the Christian women and put tar to their LONG HAIR and burn them starting at their hair... .... there is much historical data suggesting to us that Christian women has always worn long hair???

Why would a woman not want to keep in the way of her foremothers? The ones who walked with Christ all had long hair.... we must look no further than Mary to see hair taking down her long hair to wash the feet of our Lord.

Why would a lady want to walk in the same Spirit as Dyke Lesbians who refuse to wear long hair?

I wouldn't say I agree 100% with this post, but I'd say theres a lot of truth in there.

[Dr. Vaughn]

The point remains, no matter how offensive it might be..... Women who hate male authority and who want to be in the place of men.. you will most always see them cut their hair off.... Is it not a safe assumption that there is a Spirit of Rebellion and perversion in a woman who would desire to be like those women of ill repute?

What would cause a sister to not submit to scriptural teaching that is not only a sin but it is a SHAME OF NATURE for her to have short hair.....

[stmatthew]

If one sees a woman desperately trying to be a man under every haircut at the beach, perhaps he shouldn't go to the beach anymore!

Amen! Why would any God fearing preacher be at a place where women are half dressed anyway?




:aaa

[U376977]

Amen! Why would any God fearing preacher be at a place where women are half dressed anyway?



He was at the beach for the same reason I am going to 6 flags in Atlanta next month. Not waiting until Oct. when it cools off. 95-100 degree weather will make sure the "ladies" are appropriately dressed to add value to the $35 ticket!!

Not really.

[Encryptus]

A flawed premise leads to a flawed conclusion.

Butch- means trying to pass off as a man.

Of course they have short hair.

All lesbians are butch?

Not hardly!!!!!

Many are beautiful women with long flowing hair.

I assume your doctorate was not in logic.

[Dr. Vaughn]

Amen! Why would any God fearing preacher be at a place where women are half dressed anyway?




:aaa

Because the Florida home that I own is on the beach..... looking at the beautiful waters of Destin....so its not hard to see these things from your living room

[Dr. Vaughn]

A flawed premise leads to a flawed conclusion.

Butch- means trying to pass off as a man.

Of course they have short hair.

All lesbians are butch?

Not hardly!!!!!

Many are beautiful women with long flowing hair.

I assume your doctorate was not in logic.

You're exactly right and what is the first thing they do to try and pass of as a man? THE HAIR...... it goes to prove there is a Spirit of Rebellion connected with this cutting of the hair..... even nature teaches a lady to have long hair.. her hair grows completely different than a mans and as such should be worn the way that God created it to be,,, long

[James Griffin]

You're exactly right and what is the first thing they do to try and pass of as a man? THE HAIR...... it goes to prove there is a Spirit of Rebellion connected with this cutting of the hair..... even nature teaches a lady to have long hair.. her hair grows completely different than a mans and as such should be worn the way that God created it to be,,, long

a woman who wants to look like a man gets a man's haircut and man's flannel shirt.

a man who wants to look like a woman puts on a wig and wears a dress.

and that proves what?


I have heard no one say that a blatant attempt to confuse genders is Christian conduct.

If women trimming their hair confuses you I'll be glad to PM you some other hints as to how to tell the genders apart. :-)

[Encryptus]

You're exactly right and what is the first thing they do to try and pass of as a man? THE HAIR...... it goes to prove there is a Spirit of Rebellion connected with this cutting of the hair..... even nature teaches a lady to have long hair.. her hair grows completely different than a mans and as such should be worn the way that God created it to be,,, long

No one is denying that a man's hair is traditionally shorter than a woman's, so what is your point?

[ShofarMan]

The point remains, no matter how offensive it might be..... Women who hate male authority and who want to be in the place of men.. you will most always see them cut their hair off.... Is it not a safe assumption that there is a Spirit of Rebellion and perversion in a woman who would desire to be like those women of ill repute?

What would cause a sister to not submit to scriptural teaching that is not only a sin but it is a SHAME OF NATURE for her to have short hair.....

As a conservative even I find this statement bizarre.

Women who want to usurp male authority desire to look like hookers?

[Dr. Vaughn]

What gender do Lesbians have a problem with? MALE GENDER and all that is has historically represented..... and one image of female submission to a man was her hair.... she was seen as the weaker vessell in the eyes of the Lesbian.. and to rid the female gender of anything that looks weaker than a man,.,, they cut their hair... they desire to be in the place of a man..... thus I say to a Christian lady.... in seeing these women with this Spirit always want to cut their hair.. should it not cause a Christian lady to say to herself that she wants to potray the total opposite image.. a lady who is submitted to her Godly authority in her life..... and obeying the scripture?

[Dr. Vaughn]

No one is denying that a man's hair is traditionally shorter than a woman's, so what is your point?

the point is WHY FOOL WITH NATURE.,, which happens to be Gods creation..,.. if it was meant to grow long then let it be as God intended....

[Encryptus]

What gender do Lesbians have a problem with? MALE GENDER and all that is has historically represented...... they desire to be in the place of a man.....

That's somewhere between cute and sad.

You're proposing the only cause of lesbianism is women wanting to be men, so every women with hair too short to trip over is a latent lesbian?

I have to hope you are not serious and merely are in bad need of attention.

[George]

You are confused! The Bible says it is a shame for a man to have long hair. It does not say it is a shame for a woman to have short hair. Furthermore, using the story of the woman drying Jesus' feet with her hair is so out of context. It has nothing to do with the woman's hair but everything to do with her servitude to the Master. If that scripture is meant to tell women they have to have hair long enough to dry feet, then what are you going to do with ethnicities whose hair does not grow long? If I were a black woman, I would be very offended by your post and any preacher who preached such doctrine.

[Sherri]

You're exactly right and what is the first thing they do to try and pass of as a man? THE HAIR...... it goes to prove there is a Spirit of Rebellion connected with this cutting of the hair..... even nature teaches a lady to have long hair.. her hair grows completely different than a mans and as such should be worn the way that God created it to be,,, longWHAT????????????????

[Brad Murphy]

I don't think that lesbians want to BE men, they just don't think they need them for anything...

[chosenbyone]

What gender do Lesbians have a problem with? MALE GENDER and all that is has historically represented..... and one image of female submission to a man was her hair.... she was seen as the weaker vessell in the eyes of the Lesbian.. and to rid the female gender of anything that looks weaker than a man,.,, they cut their hair... they desire to be in the place of a man..... thus I say to a Christian lady.... in seeing these women with this Spirit always want to cut their hair.. should it not cause a Christian lady to say to herself that she wants to potray the total opposite image.. a lady who is submitted to her Godly authority in her life..... and obeying the scripture?

I don't like to read broad-brushing on any subject, including your assumption that all lesbians have a problem with the male gender! There are some lesbians, because of sexual abuse or some other traumatic experience they suffered by the hands of a man, would have issues with men; however, the majority of lesbians don't have a desire to be a man or have issues with men.

I have known many lesbians and they were someone's daughter, sister, mother or grandmother who had the same hopes and dreams of any other person on the planet (and the need of a Saviour too).

For somehow to portray these people in the light that you have on this thread, diminishes their humanity in many other people's eyes. They may not be so willing to reach out and befriend those "lesbians" in order to lead them to Christ because of this unfounded belief that they didn't like men.

If we could only see everyone through the eyes of Jesus who loves all of his children and wants them ALL to be saved, our efforts to reach them would be much more successful.

One last thing, to imply that women with cut/short hair had the spirit of a lesbian was the most ridiculous, backwoods comment I have read on the forum! :snapout

[TRFrance]

Hmmmm.
Reading through this thread is like watching a car crash... in slow motion.

:aaa

[Tyk]

Your not really a doctor are you Dr. Vaughn?

[The Mrs]

What gender do Lesbians have a problem with? MALE GENDER and all that is has historically represented..... and one image of female submission to a man was her hair.... she was seen as the weaker vessell in the eyes of the Lesbian.. and to rid the female gender of anything that looks weaker than a man,.,, they cut their hair... they desire to be in the place of a man..... thus I say to a Christian lady.... in seeing these women with this Spirit always want to cut their hair.. should it not cause a Christian lady to say to herself that she wants to potray the total opposite image.. a lady who is submitted to her Godly authority in her life..... and obeying the scripture?

This would indicate that ANY woman with long, flowing hair would be submissive and obedient.

And we ALL know that just ain't true! :roseglasses

I'm sorry, but hair length has nothing whatsoever to do with spirituality, and relationship, and consecration to Jesus. :whistle

[steve p]

uh.....what does all this have to do with takeing care of the widows and orphans?........:aaa