Can A Person Overeat Pork Everyday & Be Saved?

[AbundantGrace]

Looking at the turn that my smoking thread has taken, I want to pose the question... Is it possible for a person to be saved, filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost and still overeat on pork, red meat and other foods which are known as high fat and are deemed as being unhealthy in our society? Can you overeat on those things everyday and still have the Holy Ghost dwelling within you?

[Ron]

An elder who BTW never ate pork said this, "it isn't against God's law to eat pork, but if you do, you just might get to heaven quicker!":D

[Rico]

I think all pork, catfish, shrimp, lobster, crab legs, and anything else expressly forbidden in the OT dietary laws should be immediately banned in this country. In fact, laws should be passed making the eating of those things a felony. Furthermore, any product that contains any form of produced sweetener in it should also be banned and criminalized, along with any food that is either deep fried or pan fried. Lastly, boiling broccolli until it turns yellow needs to be added to this list because it's disgusting. I have spoken.

[Margies3]

I think all pork, catfish, shrimp, lobster, crab legs, and anything else expressly forbidden in the OT dietary laws should be immediately banned in this country. In fact, laws should be passed making the eating of those things a felony. Furthermore, any product that contains any form of produced sweetener in it should also be banned and criminalized, along with any food that is either deep fried or pan fried. Lastly, boiling broccolli until it turns yellow needs to be added to this list because it's disgusting. I have spoken.

Just curious, Rico..... Have you banned all of these things from YOUR diet yet?

[Rico]

Just curious, Rico..... Have you banned all of these things from YOUR diet yet?

OF COURSE NOT!!! You have to read the other thread to know where I was coming from in this one. :D

[Sister Alvear]

Just about anything can send us to hell...

[Brad Murphy]

I think all pork, catfish, shrimp, lobster, crab legs, and anything else expressly forbidden in the OT dietary laws should be immediately banned in this country. In fact, laws should be passed making the eating of those things a felony. Furthermore, any product that contains any form of produced sweetener in it should also be banned and criminalized, along with any food that is either deep fried or pan fried. Lastly, boiling broccolli until it turns yellow needs to be added to this list because it's disgusting. I have spoken.

Any way to add warmed-over macaroni and cheese to this? I only like it fresh.

[revrandy]

Pass the bacon and the Sausage...:)

[Rico]

pass the bacon and the sausage...:)

sinner!!!

































:d

[tstew]

I sure hope so.

[MissBrattified]

Please add margarine to the list of sinful foods. Thank you.

[tstew]

Please add margarine to the list of sinful foods. Thank you.

Now I've got to take back all the things I was thinking about your wonderful posts. This ought to be an offense worthy of banning.

[DividedThigh]

bacon, did i hear bacon, i love to cook it for the kids on sat morning, lol

[Kay B]

What about STARBUCKS ? :D

[Rico]

What about STARBUCKS ? :D

An evil worthy of the same fate as Sodom and Gomorrah!! :D

[Kay B]

An evil worthy of the same fate as Sodom and Gomorrah!! :D

I guess I have to give my notice at work today then. :whistle
It's not a starbucks ,though we do do latte's and mochas. :D
I have my one cup of folgers at home. :aaa

BTW Speaking of pork anyone ever hear of cracklyns or headcheese?

[Rico]

I guess I have to give my notice at work today then. :whistle
It's not a starbucks ,though we do do latte's and mochas. :D
I have my one cup of folgers at home. :aaa

BTW Speaking of pork anyone ever hear of cracklyns or headcheese?

Isn't cracklyns the same as pork rinds?

[Kay B]

Isn't cracklyns the same as pork rinds?

yep. My mom made cracklyn cornbread.
Seriously I can't eat a lot of pork now. I grew up on it and that was the meat at our house. I will eat a Jimmy Dean sausage biscuit now and then or a little ham. My tummy just can't take any greasy foods. :)

[Bro-Larry]

Isn't cracklyns the same as pork rinds?

How 'bout "chitlins"? :club

[Kay B]

How 'bout "chitlins"? :club

heard of them but was never brave enough to try them. :crazy

[Rico]

How 'bout "chitlins"? :club

Chitlins are the intestines. YUK!

[DanielR]

As a vegetarian, I am required by (unwritten) law to state that the consumption of any animal is a criminal offence against God and nature and the only permissible punishment is torture and torment for eternity.

Actually the eating of unhealthy foods is a non-issue if done in moderation. However, if consuption of knowingly unhealthy foods in excess (if your gaining weight because of your diet, it's in excess) can however be concidered a sin because of glutteny and scritpure stating to take care of our temple (body) and he that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin. I'm sure we all know what to do for the good of our bodies, or we know where to find out, so for us, yes it is a sin when consumed in excess.

[Neubill]

Paul didn't eat pork.
Jesus didn't eat pork.
Paul tells us to imitate him as he imitates Messiah.

Jesus died to give me freedom from sin, not to give me freedom from the commandments He gave to Moses in the wilderness.

Jesus didn't die so that I could eat pork.

Aren't we part of a royal priesthood? We're to be Holy unto The LORD. Verse 47 of Leviticus 11 is a command from Him to make separation between unclean and pure. Why? Because we're to be holy as He is holy. We're to not make ourselves abominable. When we nailed our lust for abominable speech and behavior to the cross, our lust to eat abominable creatures should have been nailed to the cross at the same time.

We say things like, "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it. The dietary laws? Oh, those are just for the ignorant Jews." Horse manure. There were Gentiles who received the Torah while in the wilderness, so it's not just for the Jews. Brothers and sisters, either all of the Bible is for us, or none of it is for us. To say that the Law is divided into civil, ceremonial, and moral statutes is nothing less than a slippery slope, because all of G-d's commandments are moral. Willing transgression of these statues is enmity with G-d and He deserves better from us than taking a back seat to our taste buds.

Torah is not legalism. Torah is what G-d gave to Moses. Legalism is what men who occupy the Seat of Moses gave to Israel. Torah is G-d's instruction. Legalism is man's perverted interpretation of G-d's instruction. Jesus didn't walk out legalism (The Oral Law), He walked out Torah. We're to imitate Him, just as Paul imitated Him, and neither of them ate pork. It's time for those who claim to be Israel and Abraham's adopted sons to stop picking and choosing Scripture and start believing that all of His Word is His revealed righteousness and instruction to His people.

Will you be saved? Yes, because we're saved by Grace. However, don't be surprised when you're asked to give an account for why you chose to eat pork when you knew it was an abomination unto you.

[tstew]

As a vegetarian, I am required by (unwritten) law to state that the consumption of any animal is a criminal offence against God and nature and the only permissible punishment is torture and torment for eternity.
Actually the eating of unhealthy foods is a non-issue if done in moderation. However, if consuption of knowingly unhealthy foods in excess (if your gaining weight because of your diet, it's in excess) can however be concidered a sin because of glutteny and scritpure stating to take care of our temple (body) and he that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin. I'm sure we all know what to do for the good of our bodies, or we know where to find out, so for us, yes it is a sin when consumed in excess.

I too, am a vegetarian. Not because I love animals...I just really hate vegetables. :ursofunny

[AbundantGrace]

What about STARBUCKS ? :D

I'm under conviction... I'm partaking in that wretched abomination at this very moment!

[Rico]

I'm under conviction... I'm partaking in that wretched abomination at this very moment!

The Lord rebuke thee!!!






























:D

[AbundantGrace]

Isn't cracklyns the same as pork rinds?

Cracklins also have a real thick layer of fat that is deep fried. The skin is crisp and the fat is chewy and YUMMY for the TUMMY!!! I'm from south Louisiana originally and now Mississippi. The best Cracklins that I've ever found were down in Houma, Louisiana! SINFUL isn't even the word for it. They are abominable!

[AbundantGrace]

Cracklins also have a real thick layer of fat that is deep fried. The skin is crisp and the fat is chewy and YUMMY for the TUMMY!!! I'm from south Louisiana originally and now Mississippi. The best Cracklins that I've ever found were down in Houma, Louisiana! SINFUL isn't even the word for it. They are abominable!

Down here, if it ain't fat, we don't eat it!

[U376977]

Looking at the turn that my smoking thread has taken, I want to pose the question... Is it possible for a person to be saved, filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost and still overeat on pork, red meat and other foods which are known as high fat and are deemed as being unhealthy in our society? Can you overeat on those things everyday and still have the Holy Ghost dwelling within you?

What gives? Why all the "can still be saved" threads? Please, are you just trying to raise a bunch of sand? Or are you subtly trying to challenge every belief many hold as truth?
Why not make a list.

1. Can a person have toe fungus and be saved.
2. Can a person have ear wax and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
3. Can a person drink Coke and not defile his body.
4. Can a person lust--as long as he does not touch--and be pure.
5. Can a person post too many stupid posts on AFF and be saved
6. Can a person kiss their step daughter and still be saved.
7. Can a person lick their way to the end of a toosie roll pop and still be saved?

Post all your questions at once and everyone can adivse you just how loose you can live and still be saved. Then you can do as you please.....but I think you are already doing as you please and as you intrepet the Bible and not following ANY church or organization doctrine.

[AbundantGrace]

What gives? Why all the "can still be saved" threads? Please, are you just trying to raise a bunch of sand? Or are you subtly trying to challenge every belief many hold as truth?
Why not make a list.

1. Can a person have toe fungus and be saved.
2. Can a person have ear wax and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
3. Can a person drink Coke and not defile his body.
4. Can a person lust--as long as he does not touch--and be pure.
5. Can a person post too many stupid posts on AFF and be saved
6. Can a person kiss their step daughter and still be saved.
7. Can a person lick their way to the end of a toosie roll pop and still be saved?

Post all your questions at once and everyone can adivse you just how loose you can live and still be saved. Then you can do as you please.....but I think you are already doing as you please and as you intrepet the Bible and not following ANY church or organization doctrine.

No friend, you've got me all wrong. First of all, I once was in UPC... Raised in it... Preached in it for 8 years... Left just 3 years ago... Planted an independent church 2 1/2 years ago and am now a part of a much larger organization than UPCI and I've never been closer to God in my life. Thanks for the input though.

I would like to comment on situation #1... I don't believe that you can go to heaven with toe fungus. Anyone with a toe fungus, obviously has a defiled temple. :ursofunny

In all honesty, I already know exactly where I stand on all of these issues and I'm firmly planted in my belief, which is based on the Word of God, however, I have wanted to watch the reaction of others and I must say that the smoking thread has really done well for itself.

Do you have any questions that you would like me to give you answers too? Perhaps you're yoked to unnecessary things that some ultra con preacher has told you were "Good Works of Holiness" and you must obey or else! Please open up and let me help you. I've been set free from drugs, nicotine and the UPC! Praise the Lord!

[Rico]

No friend, you've got me all wrong. First of all, I once was in UPC... Raised in it... Preached in it for 8 years... Left just 3 years ago... Planted an independent church 2 1/2 years ago and am now a part of a much larger organization than UPCI and I've never been closer to God in my life. Thanks for the input though.

I would like to comment on situation #1... I don't believe that you can go to heaven with toe fungus. Anyone with a toe fungus, obviously has a defiled temple. :ursofunny

In all honesty, I already know exactly where I stand on all of these issues and I'm firmly planted in my belief, which is based on the Word of God, however, I have wanted to watch the reaction of others and I must say that the smoking thread has really done well for itself.

Do you have any questions that you would like me to give you answers too? Perhaps you're yoked to unnecessary things that some ultra con preacher has told you were "Good Works of Holiness" and you must obey or else! Please open up and let me help you. I've been set free from drugs, nicotine and the UPC! Praise the Lord!

AG, I don't think it's such a good idea to lump the UPC in with things like drugs Bro. It's one thing to have left the UPC. It's another to be anti-UPC.

[Tyk]

AG, I don't think it's such a good idea to lump the UPC in with things like drugs Bro. It's one thing to have left the UPC. It's another to be anti-UPC.

The UPC as a whole, I agree.

Certain churches, within the UPC, with dogmatic leaders, blindly walking and leading others down a path of man made doctrines likened to that of the pharasies - Are worse and harder to be "delivered" from than drugs.

[tstew]

The UPC as a whole, I agree.

Certain churches, within the UPC, with dogmatic leaders, blindly walking and leading others down a path of man made doctrines likened to that of the pharasies - Are worse and harder to be "delivered" from than drugs.

Possibly, but there are individual churches like that in every group or organization of churches. There were churches even in the New Testament that had already started developing cultures and practices that Paul had to address and correct.
Pretty much when I saw the post that Rico responded to, I was through with the whole conversation.

[U376977]

No friend, you've got me all wrong. First of all, I once was in UPC... Raised in it... Preached in it for 8 years... Left just 3 years ago... Planted an independent church 2 1/2 years ago and am now a part of a much larger organization than UPCI and I've never been closer to God in my life. Thanks for the input though........

......Do you have any questions that you would like me to give you answers too? Perhaps you're yoked to unnecessary things that some ultra con preacher has told you were "Good Works of Holiness" and you must obey or else! Please open up and let me help you. I've been set free from drugs, nicotine and the UPC! Praise the Lord!

I think you have some ways to go here. You sound as if you are very bitter. You even wrote on another thread that UPC was a cult, or maybe you said cult like? (I am not a UPC man, or any organization, but I would not call it a cult). I don't think you can say you are delivered from the UPC, and lump it in the same catagory with drugs and cults. It is like saying I have been delivered from pride, Praise the Lord I am the most humble person in the world! Just ask me, I'll tell you!!

[DanielR]

I too, am a vegetarian. Not because I love animals...I just really hate vegetables. :ursofunny:friend

That's interesting, neither of us are vegetarians because we love animals, yet we still have different reason for the demise of vegetables:dance



































































Yeah right, somehow I find you post alittle hard to believe even with it's use in sarcazm.:tease

LOL, happy eating

[LUKE2447]

Are There Deadly Superbugs in Your Pork?


Scientists have detected antibiotic-resistant bacteria in pork, pigs and some veterinarians. It is possible that these so-called superbugs could infect farmworkers or even people who eat pork.

Antibiotic-resistant bugs were found in more than 7 percent of over 100 swine veterinarians tested. The same bacterial strains were found in nearly 50 percent of 300 tested pigs.

Perhaps of greatest concern, the bacteria were also found in 10 percent of more than 200 samples of ground pork and pork chops collected from four Canadian provinces.

An estimated 18,650 deaths a year in the U.S. are estimated to be caused by antibiotic-resistant bacteria.


Dr. Mercola Comments:

If you’re still not convinced of the benefits of avoiding pork, I advise you to keep reading.

Pork is actually good meat from a biochemical perspective, but I believe there is more than enough scientific evidence to justify the reservations or outright prohibitions in many cultures against consuming it.

Pigs are scavenger animals and will eat just about anything. Their appetite for less-than-wholesome foods makes pigs a breeding ground for potentially dangerous infections. Even cooking pork for long periods is not enough to kill many of the retroviruses and other parasites that many of them harbor.

This is why my eating plan recommends consciously avoiding pork whenever possible.

Granted, the occasional consumption of pork might be fine, but it's a risk, and the more you consume it the more likely it is that you will acquire some type of infection, because as I will show you, the antibiotic-resistant bacteria Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) is NOT your only potential health hazard.

Scientific Backing for the Avoidance of Pork

Bacon, perhaps one of America’s favorite breakfast staples, is in fact one of the worst type of processed meats you could eat for your health. According to a 2006 study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, eating bacon five or more times a week was linked to increasing your risk of bladder cancer by 59 percent. Aside from the processing of the meat, another likely cause for bacon’s negative influence on your health is the heterocyclic amines that form when meat is cooked at high temperatures.

If you cook meat that is loaded with pesticides and hormones at high temperatures, you're simply asking for trouble. That's why I limit my meat choices as much as possible to grass-fed and organic meats.

You also need to beware of eating undercooked pork, as it can cause trichinosis. Fortunately, trichinosis affects only 11 people per year in the U.S. and less than 2 percent of those infected actually die from the disease, which means there is one death every five years in the U.S. from this.

As far as MRSA is concerned, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have previously warned consumers about the risks inherent in the ever-popular holiday ham in their Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Turns out the high salt and sugar content of pre-cooked canned hams provides an ideal growth medium for the Staphylococcus aureus bacteria.

Additionally, if you’re a diabetic or if you have a weakened immune system, you may also do well to steer clear of chitterlings, a dish consisting of boiled pig intestines that are served up as traditional holiday fare in the Southern U.S.

It’s possible for people with poorly controlled diabetes to become seriously ill with enteritis necroticans, a potentially life-threatening intestinal infection. The rare disease causes severe stomach pain, vomiting of blood and low blood pressure. The culprit is the chitterlings-contaminating bacterium known as Clostridium perfringens type C, which produces a toxin that is lethal to tissue in your digestive tract. Even cooking the chitterlings might not rid them of the bacteria.

But wait, there’s more!

The Unsavory Side of Pork

The pork and swine industry has been continually plagued, and continues to be so to this day, by a wide variety of hazardous and deadly infections and diseases, including:

PRRS -- A horrendous disease, which I first reported on in 2001, but which had been a nightmare for many nations since the mid-1980s, is still alive and kicking today.

At one point referred to as "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," the disease was finally named "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome” (PRRS), and may afflict about 75 percent of American pig herds.

The PRRS virus primarily attacks the pig’s immune system, leaving its body open to a host of infections, particularly in the lungs. Initial research revealed that the virus was transmitted via semen, saliva and blood, leaving pigs herded closely together and transported in close quarters by trucks more susceptible to infection.

However, according to new research presented at the 2007 International PRRS Symposium shows that the disease is now airborne, making eradication efforts very difficult. According to the PRRS Coordinated Agricultural Project (CAP) and the National Pork Board, it is still the most economically significant disease of swine in the U.S.

The Nipah Virus – Discovered in 1999, the Nipah virus has caused disease in both animals and humans, through contact with infected animals. In humans, the virus can lead to deadly encephalitis (an acute inflammation of your brain). I originally reported on this virus in 2000, but according to CDC data, the Nipah virus reemerged again in 2004.

Hepatitis E (HEV) – According to the Mayo Clinic and an article in the Journal of Clinical Biology, pork may be the reservoir responsible for sporadic, locally acquired cases of acute hepatitis reported in regions with relatively mild climates as HEV has been found to transmit between swine and humans.

Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus (PERV) – According to a study in the journal Lancet, this virus can spread to people receiving pig organ transplants, and according to test tube studies, PERV strains does have the ability to infect human cells. PERV genes are scattered throughout pigs' genetic material, and researchers have found that pig heart, spleen and kidney cells release various strains of the virus.

Menangle Virus – In 1998, the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases reported that a new virus infecting pigs was able to jump to humans. The menangle virus was discovered in August 1997 when sows at an Australian piggery began giving birth to deformed and mummified piglets.

What About Pasture-Raised Pork?

In a slightly ironic twist, I can’t even safely recommend consuming pasture-raised pork, because while researching this article I stumbled across a study in the current issue of Emerging Infectious Diseases citing concerns about pastured pigs being vulnerable to Trichinella spiralis infection, due to their exposure to wild hosts that carry the disease.

Pasture-raised pig farming has expanded with increased demand from health conscious consumers, and currently there are 28 U.S. farms located within 50 kilometers of a previously infected site.

If for whatever reason you still want to continue buying pasture-raised pork, I’d advise you to at least take a look at the CDC map, which details areas where outbreaks have occurred, to avoid purchasing meat from a potentially unsafe location.

Other than that, I would simply recommend you avoid pork altogether, even organic pasture-raised versions.

[Adino]

Paul didn't eat pork.
Jesus didn't eat pork.
Paul tells us to imitate him as he imitates Messiah.

Jesus died to give me freedom from sin, not to give me freedom from the commandments He gave to Moses in the wilderness.

Jesus didn't die so that I could eat pork.

Aren't we part of a royal priesthood? We're to be Holy unto The LORD. Verse 47 of Leviticus 11 is a command from Him to make separation between unclean and pure. Why? Because we're to be holy as He is holy. We're to not make ourselves abominable. When we nailed our lust for abominable speech and behavior to the cross, our lust to eat abominable creatures should have been nailed to the cross at the same time.

We say things like, "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it. The dietary laws? Oh, those are just for the ignorant Jews." Horse manure. There were Gentiles who received the Torah while in the wilderness, so it's not just for the Jews. Brothers and sisters, either all of the Bible is for us, or none of it is for us. To say that the Law is divided into civil, ceremonial, and moral statutes is nothing less than a slippery slope, because all of G-d's commandments are moral. Willing transgression of these statues is enmity with G-d and He deserves better from us than taking a back seat to our taste buds.

Torah is not legalism. Torah is what G-d gave to Moses. Legalism is what men who occupy the Seat of Moses gave to Israel. Torah is G-d's instruction. Legalism is man's perverted interpretation of G-d's instruction. Jesus didn't walk out legalism (The Oral Law), He walked out Torah. We're to imitate Him, just as Paul imitated Him, and neither of them ate pork. It's time for those who claim to be Israel and Abraham's adopted sons to stop picking and choosing Scripture and start believing that all of His Word is His revealed righteousness and instruction to His people.

Will you be saved? Yes, because we're saved by Grace. However, don't be surprised when you're asked to give an account for why you chose to eat pork when you knew it was an abomination unto you.Neither of them dressed as us or followed the personal hygiene practices we, hopefully, adhere to today as well. Are we destroying our 'royal priesthood' status because we don't follow Paul's actual dress code or personal hygiene practices common to ALL in the first century?

AND since I want to completely conform to Christ's image...... what kind of car did he drive?

If I had to guess I'd say it was the Honda his disciples were left with on the Day of Pentecost.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one Accord in one place. (Acts 2:1)

There you have it! Scriptural support that we should all drive Honda Accords!

[Adino]

What About Pasture-Raised Pork?

In a slightly ironic twist, I can’t even safely recommend consuming pasture-raised pork, because while researching this article I stumbled across a study in the current issue of Emerging Infectious Diseases citing concerns about pastured pigs being vulnerable to Trichinella spiralis infection, due to their exposure to wild hosts that carry the disease.

Pasture-raised pig farming has expanded with increased demand from health conscious consumers, and currently there are 28 U.S. farms located within 50 kilometers of a previously infected site.

If for whatever reason you still want to continue buying pasture-raised pork, I’d advise you to at least take a look at the CDC map, which details areas where outbreaks have occurred, to avoid purchasing meat from a potentially unsafe location.

Other than that, I would simply recommend you avoid pork altogether, even organic pasture-raised versions.So even our Amish raised hog had issues at our recent pig-roast..... bummer!


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[Adino]

Neither of them dressed as us or followed the personal hygiene practices we, hopefully, adhere to today as well. Are we destroying our 'royal priesthood' status because we don't follow Paul's actual dress code or personal hygiene practices common to ALL in the first century?

AND since I want to completely conform to Christ's image...... what kind of car did he drive?

If I had to guess I'd say it was the Honda his disciples were left with on the Day of Pentecost.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one Accord in one place. (Acts 2:1)

There you have it! Scriptural support that we should all drive Honda Accords!Btw, when I referred to the personal hygiene practices of the first century, I refer to their lack thereof. Please pass the toothpaste and toilet paper.

[Adino]

God bless you all. It's been fun. Thanks for the discussion on this and other threads. Vacation is over. Back to work now.

Continue to promote the wonderful salvation of grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

To God be the glory.

[Neubill]

Neither of them dressed as us or followed the personal hygiene practices we, hopefully, adhere to today as well. Are we destroying our 'royal priesthood' status because we don't follow Paul's actual dress code or personal hygiene practices common to ALL in the first century? Dress and hygiene practices are time bound. G-d's Commandments are not.


AND since I want to completely conform to Christ's image...... what kind of car did he drive?

If I had to guess I'd say it was the Honda his disciples were left with on the Day of Pentecost.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one Accord in one place. (Acts 2:1)

There you have it! Scriptural support that we should all drive Honda Accords!

Thanks for the laugh. I believe the Honda Accord is one of the best lines of cars built.

As a member of the royal priesthood, G-d desires for His people to drive the best cars and eat the best food. In the end, G-d's Word will prevail.

Shalom shalom!