PPH destroys books authored by WWPF?- Rieder next?

[SDG]

In December this poster asked if the org ... namely the PPH would stop selling books and materials authored by leaders of the newly formed WWPF.

See this thread (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=10578)

A very reliable source has indicated that as of a few weeks ago the PPH has begun to destroy books authored by LB and CC. Apparently they will no longer be stocking these books. The PPH website still shows some materials on their website... however this seems to be the recourse taken.

This type of selective sanitizing/censorship/business decision is not new to the org. NAU allegedly had P. Dugas' books removed from the shelves for personal reasons. Also some materials by Tommy Tenney were nixed too ... when he left the org in the 90's.

Other materials and works have seen the axed or sanitized in the past for various other reasons.

Interestingly enough, TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer and Rick Warren still have a home w/ PPH.

Would the org pull Reider's or Jasinki's books if questions about holy hair would persist and their was enough of a clamor?

[Jekyll]

Destroyed books? That they are financially liable for, or, in which they have invested? Hardly, if they have the inventory. If it is a matter of just being a middleman distributor with no inventory on hand, they would just de-list them. If there is a low volume of these books being sold, they wouldn't be missing much mark-up value. If these are high volume items, they wouldn't let go of that revenue, if indeed they are in supposed financial straits.

[SDG]

Destroyed books? That they are financially liable for, or, in which they have invested? Hardly, if they have the inventory. If it is a matter of just being a middleman distributor with no inventory on hand, they would just de-list them. If there is a low volume of these books being sold, they wouldn't be missing much mark-up value. If these are high volume items, they wouldn't let go of that revenue, if indeed they are in supposed financial straits.

Definitely not good business however ... I believe they may have rights to these materials thru WAP.

[Jekyll]

Things will be clearer after Oct.

[Jekyll]

The overall picture of where everyone stands, I mean.

[SDG]

Why October?

[Jekyll]

If anything changes up or down at GS. Lotsa people waiting.

[harleypreacher]

In December this poster asked if the org ... namely the PPH would stop selling books and materials authored by leaders of the newly formed WWPF.

See this thread (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=10578)

A very reliable source has indicated that as of a few weeks ago the PPH has begun to destroy books authored by LB and CC. Apparently they will no longer be stocking these books. The PPH website still shows some materials on their website... however this seems to be the recourse taken.

This type of selective sanitizing/censorship/business decision is not new to the org. NAU allegedly had P. Dugas' books removed from the shelves for personal reasons. Also some materials by Tommy Tenney were nixed too ... when he left the org in the 90's.

Other materials and works have seen the axed or sanitized in the past for various other reasons.

Interestingly enough, TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer and Rick Warren still have a home w/ PPH.

Would the org pull Reider's or Jasinki's books if questions about holy hair would persist and their was enough of a clamor?



I remember several years ago asking a high ranking official of the UPC why the PPH didn’t stock Tommy Tenney’s books, while T.D. Jakes, John Maxwell, Rick Warren and others are being sold. The answer was Tommy Tenney walked away from truth and it would send the wrong message to our young ministers.

So when you walk away from the UPC, you walk away from truth, as long as you were never in truth, your books and materials are ok. Sounds like a bunch of religious politics to me.

The PPH is losing a half a million dollars a year, nearly 3 million dollars in the hole and they are destroying books, sounds foolish.

We are the way, truth and life, no man can comes to the Father but by the UPC.
We will tell you what you can read and not read.

[Timmy]

A book burning!!! Grab the marshmallows! :lol

[deltaguitar]

Walking away from all the light they knew? Hmmm . . . sounds like the light doctrine in practice.

[MamaHen]

I remember several years ago asking a high ranking official of the UPC why the PPH didn’t stock Tommy Tenney’s books, while T.D. Jakes, John Maxwell, Rick Warren and others are being sold. The answer was Tommy Tenney walked away from truth and it would send the wrong message to our young ministers.

So when you walk away from the UPC, you walk away from truth, as long as you were never in truth, your books and materials are ok. Sounds like a bunch of religious politics to me.

That is insane!!!! Support a "false prophet" like Rick Warren, but excommunicate someone in the TRUTH simply because they don't agree with your man-made organization?

That's real "Christian."

[harleypreacher]

Would the org pull Reider's or Jasinki's books if questions about holy hair would persist and their was enough of a clamor?

RR would have to walk away from truth first before they pull her books, but wait is she a license minister with the UPC? I don't think it counts if your ex husband walks away.

The magic hair doctrine didn't work according to her little story on page 69 of "Power Before The Throne". The woman in her story trimmed her hair and lost her husband because of adultery, RR didn't trim her hair and divorced her husband for the same reason. Her husband was forced to walk away from truth, and she still has the power.

I said forced to walk away because there is no restoration in UPC, we like killing our wounded, that’s another subject.

Why don’t UPC preachers read “Power Before The Throne”?

[CC1]

I think it just makes the UPC appear to be petty if they pull either ultra con or lib authors books from their shelves while they carry non Oneness authors.

I think the exception would be any books that denigrate the UPC.

[ManOfWord]

I don't even want to get started in this. It just makes me too upset. I will only say that someone needs to pass out the "binkys" at a certain headquarters located somewhere in the Unites States and call the Waaaaaambulance. :D

[StillStanding]

I think it just makes the UPC appear to be petty if they pull either ultra con or lib authors books from their shelves while they carry non Oneness authors.

I think the exception would be any books that denigrate the UPC.
Do you mean to tell me that PPH doesn't sell "Christianity Without the Cross"? :eek:

[SavedLou]

The PPH really confuses me with some stuff...like mentioned here about allowing td jakes, joyce meyer books, etc. but then our pastor at one time had one of his books sold through the PPH. Then a certain high ranking preacher disagreed with some of it and it was pulled. When most others did agree with it. Yet they allow RR's magic hair books when the majority of folks I know do NOT agree with it. I don't think some have ever read it...they just thought they couldn't go wrong with a book about hair.

[RandyWayne]

The PPH really confuses me with some stuff...like mentioned here about allowing td jakes, joyce meyer books, etc. but then our pastor at one time had one of his books sold through the PPH. Then a certain high ranking preacher disagreed with some of it and it was pulled. When most others did agree with it. Yet they allow RR's magic hair books when the majority of folks I know do NOT agree with it. I don't think some have ever read it...they just thought they couldn't go wrong with a book about hair.

If there was a book who's sole purpose was to teach against television and the majority of the reasons against were based on the movie Poltergeist (you know the one.... Carrol Ann speaking to the set showing nothing but snow...), they wouldn't probably allow it because the ends justify the means when it comes to standards teaching.

[SavedLou]

If there was a book who's sole purpose was to teach against television and the majority of the reasons against were based on the movie Poltergeist (you know the one.... Carrol Ann speaking to the set showing nothing but snow...), they wouldn't probably allow it because the ends justify the means when it comes to standards teaching.

ooh...yucky! i remember accidentally watching this on tv as a kid. didn't sleep good for a week! i just remember something undoing the kid's braces on her teeth and somebody eating a worm from a tequila bottle.

[CC1]

ooh...yucky! i remember accidentally watching this on tv as a kid. didn't sleep good for a week! i just remember something undoing the kid's braces on her teeth and somebody eating a worm from a tequila bottle.

That was Pianoman eating the worm from the tequila bottle right after he "went charismatic"!!!!

[StillStanding]

That was Pianoman eating the worm from the tequila bottle right after he "went charismatic"!!!!
Hey! The worm is the prize! :D

[SDG]

Some are wondering just as a business decision how sound this is ....

[DividedThigh]

silly is what it is if it happened, silly

[SDG]

silly is what it is if it happened, silly

I think it demonstrates what this is really about ...

[DividedThigh]

I think it demonstrates what this is really about ...


agreed, nice pic at least cass looks good, good for you dan

[tstew]

Has anyone bothered calling the PPH to ask if the books are available or attempted to order them online? There seems to be a lot of decisive reaction to a rumor that can be easily substantiated or put to rest with a call or a click. Just my opinion.

[Pressing-On]

Has anyone bothered calling the PPH to ask if the books are available or attempted to order them online? There seems to be a lot of decisive reaction to a rumor that can be easily substantiated or put to rest with a call or a click. Just my opinion.
Thank you! :thumbsup

[dizzyde]

Has anyone bothered calling the PPH to ask if the books are available or attempted to order them online? There seems to be a lot of decisive reaction to a rumor that can be easily substantiated or put to rest with a call or a click. Just my opinion.

My thought exactly.

[dizzyde]

Just went to PPH online and pulled up 8 different items available for LB.

[SDG]

Hmm...

[LUKE2447]

Who is LB and CC?

[RevBuddy]

A whole lot of words on this thread, but very little FACTS...let's hold off on the mass hysteria....

[Rhoni]

I remember several years ago asking a high ranking official of the UPC why the PPH didn’t stock Tommy Tenney’s books, while T.D. Jakes, John Maxwell, Rick Warren and others are being sold. The answer was Tommy Tenney walked away from truth and it would send the wrong message to our young ministers.

So when you walk away from the UPC, you walk away from truth, as long as you were never in truth, your books and materials are ok. Sounds like a bunch of religious politics to me.

The PPH is losing a half a million dollars a year, nearly 3 million dollars in the hole and they are destroying books, sounds foolish.

We are the way, truth and life, no man can comes to the Father but by the UPC.
We will tell you what you can read and not read.


It is the politics of the UPCI to ostrasize those who have left their ranks by denying fellowship, removing books, and downright lying about individuals. They take it as persoanl betrayal to themselves as it is not about salvation and God.

JMHO

[revrandy]

I doubt any of this....

[dizzyde]

I doubt any of this....

Just went to PPH online and pulled up 8 different items available for LB.

You doubt this????

[Cindy]

I am starting to feel so unwelcome here.

[dizzyde]

I am starting to feel so unwelcome here.

Cindy, that is sooooo not true, I think you are at burn out point, you need to take a breather for a few days. It happens to us all, it really does help to step away for a little bit. That is why I generally try to stay off of here on the weekends, I need a break!

I LOVE YOU MY SISTER!!!! :friend

[Michael Phelps]

I am starting to feel so unwelcome here.

Why, Cindy?

[SDG]

A person who called PPH ... has been informed that they will not sell any materials of WWPFers as directed by a General Board edict.

You can call to verify:

314 837 7300

Ask to place an order at the Order Dept.

They also acknowledge that the site has not been updated for months.

[Cindy]

Why, Cindy?

I have recently returned to church. It is a UPCI church. Just because I am not a pastor or preacher does not mean it doesn't affect me when people are so critical. My local church and pastor are nothing like the way most are portrayed here, nor have I known but 1 UPC preacher that I can honestly say I have no respect for. I am not God therefore I cannot judge anyone and yet I feel so affected by some of the rhetoric here and the absolute joy some seem to feel in criticizing and belittleing preachers. Their excuses are tiresome, their agendas plain, and yet they continue to use this forum as if anyone here can change what they feel is wrong with the UPCI and it's leadership. I really pray for a lot of people here on this forum and I just feel hurt.
I guess I will just have to continue to pray for a right spirit and that I treat others here on AFF the way I believe I as a christian should.

[dizzyde]

A person who called PPH ... has been informed that they will not sell any materials of WWPFers as directed by a General Board edict.

You can call to verify:

314 837 7300

Ask to place an order at the Order Dept.

They also acknowledge that the site has not been updated for months.


OK, I will take your "person"s word on it, I don't have the time or feel like calling them right now, those phone order people at PPH are NOT friendly in my experience, I always place the orders on-line; but are they really "destroying" them???

[Cindy]

Cindy, that is sooooo not true, I think you are at burn out point, you need to take a breather for a few days. It happens to us all, it really does help to step away for a little bit. That is why I generally try to stay off of here on the weekends, I need a break!

I LOVE YOU MY SISTER!!!! :friend

Girl, you and a few others keep me sane...........:tease Or as close as I can get to it...........:D

[dizzyde]

Girl, you and a few others keep me sane...........:tease Or as close as I can get to it...........:D

.....well....not sayin nuthin....:evilglee

:friend

[Cindy]

.....well....not sayin nuthin....:evilglee

:friend

uh huh! :whistle

[Pressing-On]

Girl, you and a few others keep me sane...........:tease Or as close as I can get to it...........:D

I wuz trying to do my part to help ya!! I just want to be a blessing! :gaga

[Michael Phelps]

I have recently returned to church. It is a UPCI church. Just because I am not a pastor or preacher does not mean it doesn't affect me when people are so critical. My local church and pastor are nothing like the way most are portrayed here, nor have I known but 1 UPC preacher that I can honestly say I have no respect for. I am not God therefore I cannot judge anyone and yet I feel so affected by some of the rhetoric here and the absolute joy some seem to feel in criticizing and belittleing preachers. Their excuses are tiresome, their agendas plain, and yet they continue to use this forum as if anyone here can change what they feel is wrong with the UPCI and it's leadership. I really pray for a lot of people here on this forum and I just feel hurt.
I guess I will just have to continue to pray for a right spirit and that I treat others here on AFF the way I believe I as a christian should.

Thanks for sharing this, and I can understand your frustration now.

I pretty much try to overlook the extremists on both sides, although sometimes I do allow myself to get dragged into the conversations, and then I'm upset with myself, lol.

Sounds like you're doing the right thing in praying for a right spirit. I enjoy reading your posts here, and would hate to see you leave. Some days you just have to shut the computer off and get away from it, and then come back.

Whatever you decide, I'd support you, but trust me, not all of us hate the UPC, even those of us who left it. And, not all who post what might appear to be anti-UPC threads are UPC haters, either. Sometimes it's catharctic, when you've been entrenched in something for so many years, it's hard to leave it and find balance immediately. You go back and forth a few times, and in the process come off as an extremist on either side - sometimes both at the same time!

But, we love you here, and I hope you can find the peace of mind you need to stay and post on the threads that uplift you, and avoid the ones that bring you down!

[Cindy]

I wuz trying to do my part to help ya!! I just want to be a blessing! :gaga

YUP! :tease

[Pressing-On]

YUP! :tease
:dance :dance :dance

[Cindy]

Thanks for sharing this, and I can understand your frustration now.

I pretty much try to overlook the extremists on both sides, although sometimes I do allow myself to get dragged into the conversations, and then I'm upset with myself, lol.

Sounds like you're doing the right thing in praying for a right spirit. I enjoy reading your posts here, and would hate to see you leave. Some days you just have to shut the computer off and get away from it, and then come back.

Whatever you decide, I'd support you, but trust me, not all of us hate the UPC, even those of us who left it. And, not all who post what might appear to be anti-UPC threads are UPC haters, either. Sometimes it's catharctic, when you've been entrenched in something for so many years, it's hard to leave it and find balance immediately. You go back and forth a few times, and in the process come off as an extremist on either side - sometimes both at the same time!

But, we love you here, and I hope you can find the peace of mind you need to stay and post on the threads that uplift you, and avoid the ones that bring you down!

Thanks Michael, I am just really trying to have a good attitude on here. I will just keep on praying and know that God is in control. A couple of my faults, letting God have control, and keeping my mouth shut...........:) Pray for me.

[tstew]

As a generalrule I try not to form an opinion about an occurence unless a.) I know it to be fact and b.) I know all of the pertinent details.

Just throwing this out there. Is it not conceivable that someone who used to be very high-profile in an organization, and then left on terms that included them feeling that said organization is heading in the wrong direction, may not want to appear associated with the organization. Is it not possible that they do not want their pictures and writings paraded by that organization lest it send the wrong message to their followers. Is it not possible that they now prefer their writings to be handled by their new preferred publishing house and do not want the previous organization to benefit from their book or from their appearance in their publications.

If I were a high-profile member of a group and I left on certain terms, I may not want that group to be able to still use my profile, name recognition, appearance, or have to have my followers have to reach my work through them.

[Cindy]

As a generalrule I try not to form an opinion about an occurence unless a.) I know it to be fact and b.) I know all of the pertinent details.

Just throwing this out there. Is it not conceivable that someone who used to be very high-profile in an organization, and then left on terms that included them feeling that said organization is heading in the wrong direction, may not want to appear associated with the organization. Is it not possible that they do not want their pictures and writings paraded by that organization lest it send the wrong message to their followers. Is it not possible that they now prefer their writings to be handled by their new preferred publishing house and do not want the previous organization to benefit from their book or from their appearance in their publications.

If I were a high-profile member of a group and I left on certain terms, I may not want that group to be able to still use my profile, name recognition, appearance, or have to have my followers have to reach my work through them.

Good thoughts Brother Stewart.

[TCSQ]

In December this poster asked if the org ... namely the PPH would stop selling books and materials authored by leaders of the newly formed WWPF.

See this thread (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=10578)

A very reliable source has indicated that as of a few weeks ago the PPH has begun to destroy books authored by LB and CC. Apparently they will no longer be stocking these books. The PPH website still shows some materials on their website... however this seems to be the recourse taken.

This type of selective sanitizing/censorship/business decision is not new to the org. NAU allegedly had P. Dugas' books removed from the shelves for personal reasons. Also some materials by Tommy Tenney were nixed too ... when he left the org in the 90's.

Other materials and works have seen the axed or sanitized in the past for various other reasons.

Interestingly enough, TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer and Rick Warren still have a home w/ PPH.

Would the org pull Reider's or Jasinki's books if questions about holy hair would persist and their was enough of a clamor?


WOW~! This makes one wonder if UPC doesnt actually stand for Uneasy Politburo Comrades!!!!! I can't believe (and then on second thought...YES I CAN BELIEVE!) that anything so SMALL could be done. Did you ever see any of the old Soviet photos of before and after of various Party gatherings, where after someone was purged they would be airbrushed out of the official photo?


I am becoming less and less enthused with the whole deal straight across the board, but the actions of the UPC certainly FAR outweigh anything that other groups have done including the ALJC and WPF. I am sick to my stomach to hear this.

[TCSQ]

That is insane!!!! Support a "false prophet" like Rick Warren, but excommunicate someone in the TRUTH simply because they don't agree with your man-made organization?

That's real "Christian."

Unfortunately that is the condition of the organization (s) that so many present day apostolic men and women and young people find themselves subjected to and indoctrinated by. Makes one want to rush out to the streets yelling

"Man the barricades!!! Smash the Boxes! Up with Jesus! Down with man made religion !!!!"

[TCSQ]

A whole lot of words on this thread, but very little FACTS...let's hold off on the mass hysteria....

True True....but mass hysteria can be so invigorating!!!!!!!!

[TCSQ]

A person who called PPH ... has been informed that they will not sell any materials of WWPFers as directed by a General Board edict.

You can call to verify:

314 837 7300

Ask to place an order at the Order Dept.

They also acknowledge that the site has not been updated for months.


HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The revolution is back ON! Power to the Sons of God!

[Pressing-On]

As a generalrule I try not to form an opinion about an occurence unless a.) I know it to be fact and b.) I know all of the pertinent details.

Just throwing this out there. Is it not conceivable that someone who used to be very high-profile in an organization, and then left on terms that included them feeling that said organization is heading in the wrong direction, may not want to appear associated with the organization. Is it not possible that they do not want their pictures and writings paraded by that organization lest it send the wrong message to their followers. Is it not possible that they now prefer their writings to be handled by their new preferred publishing house and do not want the previous organization to benefit from their book or from their appearance in their publications.

If I were a high-profile member of a group and I left on certain terms, I may not want that group to be able to still use my profile, name recognition, appearance, or have to have my followers have to reach my work through them.

Excellent post and only logical.

[Mrs. LPW]

A person who called PPH ... has been informed that they will not sell any materials of WWPFers as directed by a General Board edict.

You can call to verify:

314 837 7300

Ask to place an order at the Order Dept.

They also acknowledge that the site has not been updated for months.


What do you get from all this?

[dizzyde]

True True....but mass hysteria can be so invigorating!!!!!!!!

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The revolution is back ON! Power to the Sons of God!

Just throwin this out there... :reaction

[Mrs. LPW]

Excellent post and only logical.

Logic, Sense, and Wisdom have died slow and painful deaths.

[Pressing-On]

Logic, Sense, and Wisdom have died slow and painful deaths.

I have to agree with you. :thumbsup

[Kay B]

Thanks for sharing this, and I can understand your frustration now.

I pretty much try to overlook the extremists on both sides, although sometimes I do allow myself to get dragged into the conversations, and then I'm upset with myself, lol.

Sounds like you're doing the right thing in praying for a right spirit. I enjoy reading your posts here, and would hate to see you leave. Some days you just have to shut the computer off and get away from it, and then come back.

Whatever you decide, I'd support you, but trust me, not all of us hate the UPC, even those of us who left it. And, not all who post what might appear to be anti-UPC threads are UPC haters, either. Sometimes it's catharctic, when you've been entrenched in something for so many years, it's hard to leave it and find balance immediately. You go back and forth a few times, and in the process come off as an extremist on either side - sometimes both at the same time!

But, we love you here, and I hope you can find the peace of mind you need to stay and post on the threads that uplift you, and avoid the ones that bring you down!

Thank you Michael for this post. I am so happy that my dear SIL /Cindy is going back to church. Your words encourage me also.
Blessings

[Hoovie]

I did not read the thread, but I truely doubt they are destroying any books.

[Pressing-On]

I did not read the thread, but I truely doubt they are destroying any books.

I never tell anyone I post here. :ursofunny

[Hoovie]

I never tell anyone I post here. :ursofunny

say what?

[Mrs. LPW]

:rip

:spirit

I have to agree with you. :thumbsup

[Pressing-On]

say what?

LOL!

[Pressing-On]

:rip

:spirit

:ursofunny

[dizzyde]

I did not read the thread, but I truely doubt they are destroying any books.

That was my last question to Dan. Doesn't seem plausible.

[Hoovie]

That was my last question to Dan. Doesn't seem plausible.

I think it was Dan's thirteenth post for the day.

[dizzyde]

I think it was Dan's thirteenth post for the day.

Dan was trying reeeeal hard to get something going today, but I don't think anybody ever really took the bait!! LOL!!

[ReformedDave]

Logic, Sense, and Wisdom have died slow and painful deaths.

Not so sure it's been slow......

[tstew]

Dan was trying reeeeal hard to get something going today, but I don't think anybody ever really took the bait!! LOL!!

Ummm.... they burned them by calling fire from heaven with their Holy Magic Hair.




















(That ought to do it) :tease

[Mrs. LPW]

Ummm.... they burned them by calling fire from heaven with their Holy Magic Hair.


(That ought to do it) :tease


:toofunny

[rrford]

They ARE NOT destroying any books. And yes, I did verify that. Some of you need to learn to not be so knee-jerk and to jump on every little anti-UPC thing that is promoted. But then again, this is AFF. :whistle

Further, what really makes all of this so funny to me is that most of the ones here weeping and gnashing teeth over this are the last folks on earth who would ever buy a book written by LB and CC. After all, they are UC's. Or didn't you know that? :tease

Further, as far as being a poor business decision, in the whole scheme of the things the value of the inventory of these few men that PPH has is an insignificant amount of their overall inventory.

Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?

[Sweet Pea]

They ARE NOT destroying any books. And yes, I did verify that. Some of you need to learn to not be so knee-jerk and to jump on every little anti-UPC thing that is promoted. But then again, this is AFF. :whistle

Further, what really makes all of this so funny to me is that most of the ones here weeping and gnashing teeth over this are the last folks on earth who would ever buy a book written by LB and CC. After all, they are UC's. Or didn't you know that? :tease

Further, as far as being a poor business decision, in the whole scheme of the things the value of the inventory of these few men that PPH has is an insignificant amount of their overall inventory.

Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistan who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?

:yourock :nothingtoadd

[Cindy]

They ARE NOT destroying any books. And yes, I did verify that. Some of you need to learn to not be so knee-jerk and to jump on every little anti-UPC thing that is promoted. But then again, this is AFF. :whistle

Further, what really makes all of this so funny to me is that most of the ones here weeping and gnashing teeth over this are the last folks on earth who would ever buy a book written by LB and CC. After all, they are UC's. Or didn't you know that? :tease

Further, as far as being a poor business decision, in the whole scheme of the things the value of the inventory of these few men that PPH has is an insignificant amount of their overall inventory.

Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?

Thank you Brother Ford. :)

[Scott Hutchinson]

Does The PPH still sell The Rightly Dividing the word bible study,that pastor LT.Smith put out?

[Hoovie]

They ARE NOT destroying any books. And yes, I did verify that. Some of you need to learn to not be so knee-jerk and to jump on every little anti-UPC thing that is promoted. But then again, this is AFF. :whistle

Further, what really makes all of this so funny to me is that most of the ones here weeping and gnashing teeth over this are the last folks on earth who would ever buy a book written by LB and CC. After all, they are UC's. Or didn't you know that? :tease

Further, as far as being a poor business decision, in the whole scheme of the things the value of the inventory of these few men that PPH has is an insignificant amount of their overall inventory.

Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?


I would like to think they could keep any material which did not solicit membership or otherwise disparage the UPC.

At any rate, thank you for bringing a bit of sanity to the shredding and book-burning mafia thread!

[Scott Hutchinson]

I'm not UPCI or WWPF either,but this is us verses them mentality amongs't Christian brethren gets old.
WWPF has a right to exist like The AMF or any another fellowship has a right to.
Likeminded people tend to stick together.

[izzyschwartz]

[QUOTE=Daniel Alicea;523701]In December this poster asked if the org ... namely the PPH would stop selling books and materials authored by leaders of the newly formed WWPF.

See this thread (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=10578)

A very reliable source has indicated that as of a few weeks ago the PPH has begun to destroy books authored by LB and CC. Apparently they will no longer be stocking these books. The PPH website still shows some materials on their website... however this seems to be the recourse taken.

This type of selective sanitizing/censorship/business decision is not new to the org. NAU allegedly had P. Dugas' books removed from the shelves for personal reasons."




What a total crock of doo doo!!! Whoever Dan is he is totally full of it ... NAU as you call him never did this- your story is totally unreliable, and since the materials you mention are still being sold, why don't you just drop it. Your sick fascination with trashing the UPCI is offensive and insulting. Get a life for crying out loud!

[committed]

There is a saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right". I am amazed at the judgmental attitude of people and the critical spirit. If there is any small chance of something that any minister (especially leader) at UPCI headquarters has done 'wrong', it is jumped on immediately and spread as far as the net will take it, and criticized to the high heaven.

Whatever happened to love - mercy - restoration?? Some people apparently don't read their Bibles anymore, and they must be sleeping when the scriptures are read, because they don't know how to be like Christ. Let is LOVE ONE ANOTHER! I want to extend mercy and forgiveness, because tomorrow I may need it!

None of us operate the same in business and life. We don't agree on everything, but that doesn't mean we need to be so critical. Some on AFF must not have jobs or anything else to do but stay on the computer and type up the latest gossip about UPCI and preachers. How about giving a Bible Study to a lost soul instead?

[Monkeyman]

They ARE NOT destroying any books. And yes, I did verify that. Some of you need to learn to not be so knee-jerk and to jump on every little anti-UPC thing that is promoted. But then again, this is AFF. :whistle

Further, what really makes all of this so funny to me is that most of the ones here weeping and gnashing teeth over this are the last folks on earth who would ever buy a book written by LB and CC. After all, they are UC's. Or didn't you know that? :tease

Further, as far as being a poor business decision, in the whole scheme of the things the value of the inventory of these few men that PPH has is an insignificant amount of their overall inventory.

Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?BAM!!!!!!!Here is where a news service worth its salt would print a retraction.....I'm waaaaiting:) And I don't want to see it buried on page 172 with the obits!!!

So RRFORD or DA...who's telling the truth????? he he he

[Pressing-On]

BAM!!!!!!!Here is where a news service worth its salt would print a retraction.....I'm waaaaiting:) And I don't want to see it buried on page 172 with the obits!!!

Yep, BAM!!!!!! is right! :thumbsup

[RandyWayne]

Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?

I really don't think it is any more nefarious than this. And once the assistant became a few more steps removed from the first church, and a few more years have passed, you may start selling his them again......

[rrford]

I really don't think it is any more nefarious than this. And once the assistant became a few more steps removed from the first church, and a few more years have passed, you may start selling his them again......

Perhaps. Time tells all.

[Revelationist]

When I think of Book Burning, more things come to my mind... it's not good. There's been book burnings in history before.

[MamaHen]

Unfortunately that is the condition of the organization (s) that so many present day apostolic men and women and young people find themselves subjected to and indoctrinated by. Makes one want to rush out to the streets yelling

"Man the barricades!!! Smash the Boxes! Up with Jesus! Down with man made religion !!!!"

Well, this MamaHen left the coop a good while ago...now I free-range the natural way

:bliss


:thumbsup

[SDG]

BAM!!!!!!!Here is where a news service worth its salt would print a retraction.....I'm waaaaiting:) And I don't want to see it buried on page 172 with the obits!!!

So RRFORD or DA...who's telling the truth????? he he he

No retraction will be give at this time ... this story is standing on all legs.

Facts that were dismissed by many initially ... and still are verifiable.

1. PPH is not selling the books anymore (period). This is indeed not denied by RRFord's editorial ... he is only opining that they have not been destroyed. He glosses over the heart of the matter (intentionally or inadvertantly?) that action was taken against these men.

2. The General board did take this action to not sell or distribute against former ministers thru edict.

3. Both RRFord and I have reliable sources that contradict each other. The news of the destruction of books also comes from a person w/ ties to the WEC and was reportedly shared weeks ago on a prominent ministerial forum. You can choose to believe whom you want on this one point. However, considering that this story was dismissed as patently false and later proven to be verifiable and corroborated on various levels and points should give pause to it's reluctant naysayers. If two books were destroyed/thrown away this story is absolutely corroborated.

4. RR, myself and others have shared opinions as to the soundness of the business acumen in making the decision not to distribute books and materials by these men. These are opinions that are rooted in the fact that PPH is close to 3 million dollars in the red ... planning to outsource it's printing ... and searching hard for answers ... including new leadership for the editorial committee.

5. The org has a history of this type of sanitizing action. This action was taken against men like Tommy Tenney, Paul Dugas (for a season) and now men like Larry Booker and Crawford Coon.

6. RRFord has a history of downplaying or "setting the record" straight on this forum ... his motives are just as obvious as some attach to me and others. Remember when certain "connected" posters told us that there were no plans for the WWPF?

Lastly, The idea that books and their authors will cause ministers to leave to the WPF is just another example of the territorialism that makes actions like these and resolution 3 normal protocol against those who may share the same doctrine but are viewed as potential threats to church franchises. Pastors would be insecure if they think what they stock in a bookstore is the deciding factor for a member choosing to leave. Selling TD Jakes books in Dallas is not a threat, is it?

Further LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS:

1. Did these authors leave in question? What is the reasoning for this edict? Does this edict to nix give impetus for these men to be placed under question in their individual districts?

2. Why hasn't the editorial committee made a decision on the R Rieder books after sitting on various letters and reportedly meeting on the matter within the last two years?

[Nahum]

[QUOTE=Daniel Alicea;523701]In December this poster asked if the org ... namely the PPH would stop selling books and materials authored by leaders of the newly formed WWPF.

See this thread (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=10578)

A very reliable source has indicated that as of a few weeks ago the PPH has begun to destroy books authored by LB and CC. Apparently they will no longer be stocking these books. The PPH website still shows some materials on their website... however this seems to be the recourse taken.

This type of selective sanitizing/censorship/business decision is not new to the org. NAU allegedly had P. Dugas' books removed from the shelves for personal reasons."




What a total crock of doo doo!!! Whoever Dan is he is totally full of it ... NAU as you call him never did this- your story is totally unreliable, and since the materials you mention are still being sold, why don't you just drop it. Your sick fascination with trashing the UPCI is offensive and insulting. Get a life for crying out loud! PPH no longer sells the books, period. I called and verified it. It doesn"t matter to me at all, but Daniel's right about that much.

[Pressing-On]

Lastly, consider this:
If you were a pastor and had an assistant who was an author you probably would sell his books in your church bookstore.

But what would you do if the day came that he decided to leave your church and start a "preferred" church across town? If he solicited membership from your membership? Reckon you would keep his books on your shelves for sale?

Yep, BAM!!!!!! is right! :thumbsup
My "BAM!!" on this point still stands. :D