AFF apostolic or not?

[hometown guy]

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF
I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend

[Sherri]

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF

I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend
And herein lies the problem with this thread........your definition is not necessarily God's definition, is it?

[hometown guy]

And herein lies the problem with this thread........your definition is not necessarily God's definition, is it?

then what is the definition?

[Rico]

then what is the definition?

The forum rules define "apostolic" as it pertains to this environment.

[Rhoni]

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF
I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend

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[Sherri]

then what is the definition?
Every person on here will interpret "apostolic" differently. To me, it means a church that is working as the apostles did - growing and planting other churches - reaching across the world to take the gospel. "Apostolic" in the bigger church world has nothing at all to do with Pentecostalism. Only in OP circles, does Apostolic mean Oneness Pentecostalism. We are talking about attending a conference the end of August on "Developing Structure for Apostolic Ministry" and it is nothing about what you would consider "apostolic".

Now, if you want a definition of Pentecostalism, I might be closer to you on that one.

[dizzyde]

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF
I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend

#1. Why do you get the honors of deciding what being Apostolic is?

#2. I believe that Apostles actually would have called themselves Christians. Or in the language of their time, followers of Christ.

#3. Quoting you from above "nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this," I would be interested in seeing the scripture text where the apostles taught this?

#4. Why do you only post when 1stCorinth2v4 is around?

No bad spirit, just honest points and questions. :friend

[hometown guy]

Every person on here will interpret "apostolic" differently. To me, it means a church that is working as the apostles did - growing and planting other churches - reaching across the world to take the gospel. "Apostolic" in the bigger church world has nothing at all to do with Pentecostalism. Only in OP circles, does Apostolic mean Oneness Pentecostalism. We are talking about attending a conference the end of August on "Developing Structure for Apostolic Ministry" and it is nothing about what you would consider "apostolic".

Now, if you want a definition of Pentecostalism, I might be closer to you on that one.

shoudnt you preach and teach also like them and not just work like they did?

[Sherri]

shoudnt you preach and teach also like them and not just work like they did?Hello??? We do.:tease

[Barb]

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF
I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend

LOL!! God bless your heart, you say all that you have just said and then hope that no one gets the teenyist bit upset...this should be interesting.

Let me put my 2 cents in...

I, too, am Apostolic.

I refer to myself as Apostolic because I follow the Apostles' Doctrine.

I am not more Apostolic than the average bear, nor am I less Apostolic because I may not agree with the other bears in the cave.

But I am Apostolic.

I have a bulletin for you...*NEWSFLASH* You and I are not alone here.

There are people here who are just as Apostolic as we are. Our differences in view and principle don't separate us...or they shouldn't. They should serve to strengthen and unite us.

I am a so-called '3 stepper', however, that does not keep me from loving, fellowshipping with, and praying with and for those who do not agree with me. By the same token, our differences don't keep them from loving me.

Our common bond is the Word, the Blood, and the Name.

I am committed to letting Almighty God have His way...

[Sister Alvear]

It is God that will judge dear one and GOD ALONE...
You remember God doeth not see like you or I do...He sees far beyond what our eyes can see...He weighs the spirits....scary isn´t it?

[hometown guy]

#1. Why do you get the honors of deciding what being Apostolic is?

#2. I believe that Apostles actually would have called themselves Christians. Or in the language of their time, followers of Christ.

#3. Quoting you from above "nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this," I would be interested in seeing the scripture text where the apostles taught this?

#4. Why do you only post when 1stCorinth2v4 is around?

No bad spirit, just honest points and questions. :friend

#1. im sorry you tell me what it means.

#2. I was first told to call myself apolstolic from your dads church about 15 years ago.
#3. read the bible
#4. just by chance i guess.

[TRFrance]

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF
I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend
Brother, please show us the scriptures where the apostles taught against pants.
And also please show us the scripture where they taught against makeup.
Thanks.

[Sister Alvear]

I believe the first believers were called: Christians...

[Barb]

I believe the first believers were called: Christians...

And they were called "the Church..."

[Sister Alvear]

thanks Barb....

[Tim Rutledge]

Brother Hometown, My thought. There is a scripture that says standfast and hold the traditions which you have been taught. Some of the people on this forum have not obeyed that scripture and others just never were taught the same traditions. The second worse enemy of Jesus, is traditions. Just bloom where your planted, draw the lines where your Pastor defines them.. then every man to his battle station. Your more dangerous when your right. Attitude is everything.

And Bro., No. This forum is not Apostolic.

[pelathais]

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF
I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend
HTG, your viewpoint is common and the questions you appear to be trying to ask are routine. There was a sort of mass exodus of about a half dozen long time posters who contributed a great deal of verbage to AFF this past year. Since then (and really, leading up to their departure) there were many remonstrations over what it means to be "Apostolic."

First of all, it would be helpful for your understanding if you disabused yourself of the notion that "Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want..."

I think most of us "on here" tremble to add any custom or tradition to the plain teachings of Scripture. Why don't you tremble as well?

Also, I would challenge your identification with the 1st Century apostles on this ground: You refuse to use the same Bible that they used. The New Testament almost exclusively quotes from the Septuagint. The only Bibles in general circulation today that follow this apostolic practice are the Roman Catholic Bibles like the Jerusalem Bible and the Rheims-Douay.

Since you want to be "apostolic" why don't you start with your Bible - get one that was used by the real Apostles.

And I have to honestly question your ability to discern good from evil. I watched Disney's The Lion King, for example, and saw nothing "evil" about it. I wonder how much "evil" would turn up with an intense scrutiny of your life?

The apostles taught nothing concerning "pants" on men or women. The apostles taught modesty with regard to jewelry - not the banning of sports watches and marriage bands. And with regard to "uncut hair"... your side has so far failed continually to make any sense out of the ambiguities of 1 Corinthians 11.

[Rico]

And Bro., No. This forum is not Apostolic.


Here ya go, special delivery. :D

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[Praxeas]

Brother Hometown, My thought. There is a scripture that says standfast and hold the traditions which you have been taught. Some of the people on this forum have not obeyed that scripture and others just never were taught the same traditions. The second worse enemy of Jesus, is traditions. Just bloom where your planted, draw the lines where your Pastor defines them.. then every man to his battle station. Your more dangerous when your right. Attitude is everything.

And Bro., No. This forum is not Apostolic.
traditions of men WERE the enemy of Jesus indeed! He rebuked the Pharisees for their traditions.

When the bible says to hold fast or stand fastthe traditions you leave something out..

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

He is talking about the traditions passed on by the Apostles. Tradition here simply means transmission or precept. Nobody here would argue we should reject the precepts of the Apostles

[pelathais]

Brother Hometown, My thought. There is a scripture that says standfast and hold the traditions which you have been taught. Some of the people on this forum have not obeyed that scripture and others just never were taught the same traditions. The second worse enemy of Jesus, is traditions. Just bloom where your planted, draw the lines where your Pastor defines them.. then every man to his battle station. Your more dangerous when your right. Attitude is everything.

And Bro., No. This forum is not Apostolic.
You teach people to actually disobey that scripture every time you attempt to win a soul. How do you account for that? You tell everyone from Baptists to Buddhists to disregard the traditions that they were taught and to follow yours. Yet the traditions of yours that we quarrel about here are less than 100 years old.

We really should be holding up the Word of God here. Not the traditions of men (Colossians 2:8).

[Indy]

Brother Hometown, My thought. There is a scripture that says standfast and hold the traditions which you have been taught. Some of the people on this forum have not obeyed that scripture and others just never were taught the same traditions. The second worse enemy of Jesus, is traditions. Just bloom where your planted, draw the lines where your Pastor defines them.. then every man to his battle station. Your more dangerous when your right. Attitude is everything.

And Bro., No. This forum is not Apostolic.


It is quite comforting to know that we have someone here who is the authority on what is and what is not apostolic. We are privileged to have your wisdom grace these pages!

We are supposed to draw the lines where our pastor draws them? What if he draws them in a place other than where God draws them? Are we to follow that? Surely you are kidding! I think you are just trying to be funny, Timmy. I know you are not sirius.

[hometown guy]

There was a sort of mass exodus
And I have to honestly question your ability to discern good from evil. I watched Disney's The Lion King, for example, and saw nothing "evil" about it. I wonder how much "evil" would turn up with an intense scrutiny of [B]

off the top of you head can you name 3 disney movies with the family together( mom, dad, and children) without one of the parents being bad killed or something of that nature.

[pelathais]

off the top of you head can you name 3 disney movies with the family together( mom, dad, and children) without one of the parents being bad killed or something of that nature.
I'm not the expert on movies - so I might include something that is not a Disney product here... but your challenge is interesting.

But first... answer my challenge: Why don't you use an Apostolic Bible?

[hometown guy]

It is quite comforting to know that we have someone here who is the authority on what is and what is not apostolic. We are privileged to have your wisdom grace these pages!

We are supposed to draw the lines where our pastor draws them? What if he draws them in a place other than where God draws them? Are we to follow that? Surely you are kidding! I think you are just trying to be funny, Timmy. I know you are not sirius.

1Co 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

this was paul's answer to you

[Praxeas]

BTW forums are neutral. This forum was intended as a place for people who believe in Oneness, baptism in Jesus name and the Holy Ghost baptism with tongues...to have a place to post. We never stipulated that certain people can't come here

Hometowndude is allowed to be here just as Daniel Alicea is. We had more very conservative types but they all abandoned ship

[pelathais]

101 Dalmatians
Lady and the Tramp
The Little Mermaid

[Praxeas]

1Co 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

this was paul's answer to you
right...so we should follow Paul. I don't think anyone would disagree with that

[hometown guy]

I'm not the expert on movies - so I might include something that is not a Disney product here... but your challenge is interesting.

But first... answer my challenge: Why don't you use an Apostolic Bible?

1. i dont think you can even name one movie
2. what do you mean an apostolic bible?

[hometown guy]

right...so we should follow Paul. I don't think anyone would disagree with that

He was the "pastor" of this church so as long as a pastor is following christ we should also follow him. i dont think paul thought he was the only one that man was allowed to follow.

[pelathais]

I'll type more slowly so that you can understand me...

Your Bible's Old Testament is based upon the Jewish Masoretic text. The apostles who wrote the New Testament used the Septuagint almost exclusively in their OT quotes.

Why don't you use a Bible like the Rheims-Douay or the Jerusalem Bible which is translated from the Septuagint? That's what the apostles did. Yet you refuse to do so. Why?

How can you be "apostolic" if you've got a different Bible than the apostles?

[Indy]

1Co 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

this was paul's answer to you

We are supposed to draw the lines where our pastor draws them? What if he draws them in a place other than where God draws them? Are we to follow that?

You are as funny as Timmy is! You can't be serious!

I have no problem following Paul, but if Paul drew the line outside of God's word, I would not follow him, plain and simple.

[Praxeas]

He was the "pastor" of this church so as long as a pastor is following christ we should also follow him. i dont think paul thought he was the only one that man was allowed to follow.
Paul was an Apostle. He wrote the inspired word of God. He delivered to us the precepts of God. He was writting as an Apostle. He was not authoritzing pastors to act unilaterally on their own to come up with precepts NOT found in the word

[hometown guy]

We are supposed to draw the lines where our pastor draws them? What if he draws them in a place other than where God draws them? Are we to follow that?

You are as funny as Timmy is! You can't be serious!

I have no problem following Paul, but if Paul drew the line outside of God's word, I would not follow him, plain and simple.

did God ever say anything that paul said? Paul puting lines as he was inspired by God. now if my pastor started preaching something and the princable was not in the word of God then yes i would leave if went against the word. im not saying to blindly follow a man.

[Praxeas]

did God ever say anything that paul said? Paul puting lines as he was inspired by God. now if my pastor started preaching something and the princable was not in the word of God then yes i would leave if went against the word. im not saying to blindly follow a man.
Sure, but everyone here would agree with you so it has to make us wonder why bring it up?

[hometown guy]

Paul was an Apostle. He wrote the inspired word of God. He delivered to us the precepts of God. He was writting as an Apostle. He was not authoritzing pastors to act unilaterally on their own to come up with precepts NOT found in the word

Your right but I’m stating things that if are not directly in the word the principle behind it is in the bible

[pelathais]

The Sword In The Stone
The Jungle Book
The Aristocats
The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh
The Rescuers (did involve a kidnapped orphan but the mice had stable homes)
The Rescuers Down Under
Pocahontas
The Emperor's New Groove

Okay, I had to Google it. And in doing so I ended up with "evil" in front of my eyes.


There apparently really is a movie entitled:

I Killed My Lesbian Wife, Hung Her on a Meat Hook, and Now I Have a Three-Picture Deal at Disney

Though it's not a Disney movie. It's a short film made by Ben Affleck while he was in college.

[Monkeyman]

101 Dalmations, Little Mermaid, and Peter Pan

[pelathais]

[/b]

Your right but I’m stating things that if are not directly in the word the principle behind it is in the bible
Give me the "principle" on "pants."

It's been hot around here. I want to wear a toga. A toga is really more modest than "pants," but let's face it - a toga looks like a dress.

My daughter wants to go horseback riding - I want her to wear "pants" for the sake of modesty. I grew up riding horses with "apostolic" girls and I can describe their underwear to you. I want my daughter to be modest. Give me a "Bible principle" that will help me out here.

[Sister Alvear]

Many are far from the teachings of 12 Jewish men who followed a Hebrew Messiah...

Hometown guy...I can take history and prove the first church danced jewish dances...how long has it been since you danced a jewish dance? If we REALLY want to do all the first church did before it became contaminated with the other nations maybe we should dance?
I am not telling anyone to do that...do not quote and say I teach this I am just saying history says they danced jewish dances...

[Monkeyman]

(http://homepage.usask.ca/~jjs142/thearistocats.htm)The Sword In The Stone
The Jungle Book
The Aristocats
The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh
The Rescuers (did involve a kidnapped orphan but the mice had stable homes)
The Rescuers Down Under
Pocahontas
The Emperor's New Groove

Okay, I had to Google it. And in doing so I ended up with "evil" in front of my eye.


There apparently really is a movie entitled:

I Killed My Lesbian Wife, Hung Her on a Meat Hook, and Now I Have a Three-Picture
Deal at Disney

Though it's not a Disney movie. It's a short film made by Ben Affleck while he was in
college.There were no parents in Jungle Book....but a cool bear!!!! "Look for the bare necessities, The simple bare necessities, forget about your trouble and your striiiife"

[hometown guy]

I'll type more slowly so that you can understand me...

Your Bible's Old Testament is based upon the Jewish Masoretic text. The apostles who wrote the New Testament used the Septuagint almost exclusively in their OT quotes.

Why don't you use a Bible like the Rheims-Douay or the Jerusalem Bible which is translated from the Septuagint? That's what the apostles did. Yet you refuse to do so. Why?

How can you be "apostolic" if you've got a different Bible than the apostles?

Thanks for typing slower, now I’m positive this argument was a lame as when you typed faster.

[Nahum]

No, it is not Apostolic.

[SDG]

Homey if you're measure of being Apostolic is what Disney movies you don't watch ...

Remember one thing ....


I'M STILL MORE APOSTOLIC THAN YOU'LL EVER BE!!!!

[Nahum]

No, it is not Apostolic.

At all.

[Nahum]

No, it is not Apostolic.

At all.

Great people, but not even a little bit.

[Nahum]

No, it is not Apostolic.

At all.

Great people, but not even a little bit.


Doesn't even attempt to be.

[Nahum]

No, it is not Apostolic.

At all.

Great people, but not even a little bit.

Doesn't even attempt to be.

Except for me.

[mizpeh]

Except for me.

You're funny, bald man!

What's your definition of "Apostolic"?

[pelathais]

Thanks for typing slower, now I’m positive this argument was a lame as when you typed faster.
It wasn't an "argument." It was a question.

What's your answer?

[Nahum]

No, it is not Apostolic.

At all.

Great people, but not even a little bit.

Doesn't even attempt to be.

Except for me.

You're funny, bald man!

What's your definition of "Apostolic"?

And Mizpeh.

[Pressing-On]

Except for me.

:killinme

I'm waiting for CC1 to log in and call you PeePee. That's always a riot!

:ursofunny

[pelathais]

It wasn't an "argument." It was a question.

What's your answer?
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Hometownguy... Why won't you use the same Bible that the apostles used? A Bible with an Old Testament translated from the Septuagint.

[Theophil]

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Hometownguy... Why won't you use the same Bible that the apostles used? A Bible with an Old Testament translated from the Septuagint.

Maybe he doesn't know what the Septuagint is.

[hometown guy]

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Hometownguy... Why won't you use the same Bible that the apostles used? A Bible with an Old Testament translated from the Septuagint.

Probably the same reason they used a translation

[Rhoni]

oh me

[Nahum]

oh my

[Nahum]

i love apple pie

[hometown guy]

Every person on here will interpret "apostolic" differently. To me, it means a church that is working as the apostles did - growing and planting other churches - reaching across the world to take the gospel. "Apostolic" in the bigger church world has nothing at all to do with Pentecostalism. Only in OP circles, does Apostolic mean Oneness Pentecostalism. We are talking about attending a conference the end of August on "Developing Structure for Apostolic Ministry" and it is nothing about what you would consider "apostolic".

Now, if you want a definition of Pentecostalism, I might be closer to you on that one.

Thank you for sincerely trying to discuss this without attacking my stand. This speaks volumes of you.

[Nahum]

Do you guys know why the pollock planted cheerios?

[ManOfWord]

Many are far from the teachings of 12 Jewish men who followed a Hebrew Messiah...

Hometown guy...I can take history and prove the first church danced jewish dances...how long has it been since you danced a jewish dance? If we REALLY want to do all the first church did before it became contaminated with the other nations maybe we should dance?
I am not telling anyone to do that...do not quote and say I teach this I am just saying history says they danced jewish dances...

And the amazing thing is that they did it with their eyes open and without falling down! You've got is right, Sista! :D

[Nahum]

Do you guys know why the pollock planted cheerios?

Well?

[Monkeyman]

Thought they were donut seeds, sheeesh pee pee

[hometown guy]

Well?

i give up

[pelathais]

Probably the same reason they used a translation
It's not just a matter of translation from one language to another. Your Bible comes from a completely different textual tradition that the one used by the apostles. The differences are so great that wars in Europe were fought in part over this issue.

I do notice that with this knowledge, your taunting and judgmentalism has toned down. I'm glad for that.

You did bring up a very good question. But when it's brought up here it usually comes down to an argument over shirtsleeves and haircuts.

Frankly, I'd like to think that each of us has a life which is of much more interest and consequence in the eyes of the Almighty than our shirtsleeves and haircuts.

[Nahum]

Thought they were donut seeds, sheeesh pee pee

I know, I know, that story was full of holes from the start.

[Nahum]

You know the bad thing about arguing with an idiot?

[Monkeyman]

I know, I know, that story was full of holes from the start.I think your brain is fried dough!!!!!

[Monkeyman]

Know how to keep an idiot in suspense??????

































I'll tell you tomorrow:) Haaaaaaaaaaa

[Nahum]

I think your brain is fried dough!!!!!

Not fit for consumption?:whistle

[Nahum]

Know how to keep an idiot in suspense??????


I'll tell you tomorrow:) Haaaaaaaaaaa


Good one, Monkeybreath!:bigbaby

[Nahum]

Gee, I hope I haven't ruined this thread.

[Monkeyman]

Gee, I hope I haven't ruined this thread.The Thread Killer strikes again:) You never did give us the answer about arguing with an idiot though...

[Nahum]

The bad thing about arguing with an idiot is he's too stupid to understand common sense, and you're stupid for trying to debate an idiot.

[Monkeyman]

The bad thing about arguing with an idiot is he's too stupid to understand common sense, and you're stupid for trying to debate an idiot.Well, there goes most of our threads!!!

[Nahum]

Did you guys know monkey brains are a delicacy in some cultures?

And....they are a rarity on AFF.


















lol

[Ron]

Did you guys know monkey brains are a delicacy in some cultures?

And....they are a rarity on AFF.


















lol

I thought you were going to say, "they are in abundance!":whistle

[Monkeyman]

Did you guys know monkey brains are a delicacy in some cultures?

And....they are a rarity on AFF.


















lolAnother reason to value mine!!!:tease

[hometown guy]

It's not just a matter of translation from one language to another. Your Bible comes from a completely different textual tradition that the one used by the apostles. The differences are so great that wars in Europe were fought in part over this issue.

I do notice that with this knowledge, your taunting and judgmentalism has toned down. I'm glad for that.
You did bring up a very good question. But when it's brought up here it usually comes down to an argument over shirtsleeves and haircuts.

Frankly, I'd like to think that each of us has a life which is of much more interest and consequence in the eyes of the Almighty than our shirtsleeves and haircuts.

i have tried my best not to be judgmental. i started this thread to discuss an issue, not to judge.

[Nahum]

This has turned into a great thread!

I kill me!:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

[Nahum]

i have tried my best not to be judgmental. i started this thread to discuss an issue, not to judge.

Hey Brainwashed, get off my thread!:snapout

[berkeley]

He was the "pastor" of this church so as long as a pastor is following christ we should also follow him. i dont think paul thought he was the only one that man was allowed to follow.

Follow him off a cliff... or follow his example?

[hometown guy]

Follow him off a cliff... or follow his example?

I already posted where the following ends on another post and yes its before the cliff.

[berkeley]

I already posted where the following ends on another post and yes its before the cliff.

I follow the "rules" when I'm home.. but when I'm away I exercise a few liberties. There's no one around that will be offended by the hair on my chin or the wearing of shorts.
Go home and it's clean shaven and pants in 120* weather.

Am I supposed to follow the "rules" per the "pastor" all the time?

[Praxeas]

[/b]

Your right but I’m stating things that if are not directly in the word the principle behind it is in the bible
The problem with that is I have seen people claim there is a principle in the bible for MANY things you and I would not agree with. Used to be years ago they taught against wearing certain colors. I know one UPC preacher that preaches against zippers and pockets on ladies skirts.

When we leave the area of directly in the word to "principle" often a persons bias is incorporated into such a view, their own philosophical thinking to draw such a principle out.

And then in other cases such a principle is not evenly applied. For example some preach against even owning devices that can play video...yet all PCs have are video devices as are cell phones. The internet can arguably have the TV principle applied to it. At some point then it comes down to interpretation.

For example most here would agree not to watch things that are corrupting to a soul, most would not agree on what is corrupting. People here that are ok with TV would not say you can watch anything you want to. So they are still using the same principle generally

[StMark]

I just checked out this thread and was appalled.
Most of you have not treated HTG right at all.
You may not agree with him but he is still a preacher
of the gospel. I didn't read where he was slamming
and mocking you and calling you names.
Maybe those are his real convictions- do you think
someone should be ridiculed for that ??? what do
we want, a forum where everyone thinks and believes
just like us or one where different thoughts can be
discussed??

Admin I ask that you take a look at this

[Praxeas]

no, it is not apostolic.
stupid post!

[pelathais]

i have tried my best not to be judgmental. i started this thread to discuss an issue, not to judge.
It is a good question - though the "Thread Starter King" appears to be attempting a hijack...

But the issue really goes deeper than the arguments that OP's had in the last half of the 20th century. We have no sense of history - yet we aspire to live like a relatively small communistic community that splintered off of the already very fragmented 1st century Jewish community.

In many respects - we don't really want to be exactly like the 1st century apostles - and I don't mean just giving up air conditioning. And I really don't think that they'd want for us to be "just like" them either. Assuming that we'd even be around - which they obviously didn't - I'm certain that they would have wanted more for us (3 John 1:2 - "prosper" here means "a successful journey...").

We should be making some sort of "progress." But the "progress" being offered by the dominant "apostolics" at the close of the 20th century was a vain and hubristic progress. They wanted us to "progress" into greater and greater degrees of "holiness standards." They wanted longer and longer lists of do's and dont's. And some of the stuff is just plain superstition.

To top it all off- they peddled this brew as some sort of a "return" to a place where most of us and most of our predessors had never been before.

[StMark]

It is a good question - though the "Thread Starter King" appears to be attempting a hijack...

But the issue really goes deeper than the arguments that OP's had in the last half of the 20th century. We have no sense of history - yet we aspire to live like a relatively small communistic community that splintered off of the already very fragmented 1st century Jewish community.

In many respects - we don't really want to be exactly like the 1st century apostles - and I don't mean just giving up air conditioning. And I really don't think that they'd want for us to be "just like" them either. Assuming that we'd even be around - which they obviously didn't - I'm certain that they would have wanted more for us (3 John 1:2 - "prosper" here means "a successful journey...").

We should be making some sort of "progress." But the "progress" being offered by the dominant "apostolics" at the close of the 20th century was a vain and hubristic progress. They wanted us to "progress" into greater and greater degrees of "holiness standards." They wanted longer and longer lists of do's and dont's. And some of the stuff is just plain superstition.

To top it all off- they peddled this brew as some sort of a "return" to a place where most of us and most of our predessors had never been before.

Who is that ???

[pelathais]

I follow the "rules" when I'm home.. but when I'm away I exercise a few liberties. There's no one around that will be offended by the hair on my chin or the wearing of shorts.
Go home and it's clean shaven and pants in 120* weather.

Am I supposed to follow the "rules" per the "pastor" all the time?
I think you can be respectful - there's no need to get in someone's face who doesn't agree with you. It seems that you've got a good balance here - and I've known many pastors who "allow liberties" for those on the road and such. A visit to a ball park with a family member, shorts in the Caribbean...

[hometown guy]

The problem with that is I have seen people claim there is a principle in the bible for MANY things you and I would not agree with. Used to be years ago they taught against wearing certain colors. I know one UPC preacher that preaches against zippers and pockets on ladies skirts.

When we leave the area of directly in the word to "principle" often a persons bias is incorporated into such a view, their own philosophical thinking to draw such a principle out.

And then in other cases such a principle is not evenly applied. For example some preach against even owning devices that can play video...yet all PCs have are video devices as are cell phones. The internet can arguably have the TV principle applied to it. At some point then it comes down to interpretation.

For example most here would agree not to watch things that are corrupting to a soul, most would not agree on what is corrupting. People here that are ok with TV would not say you can watch anything you want to. So they are still using the same principle generally

Well concerning zippers and owning devices that play video, colored shirts, ect are standards for certain churches and I’m trying to stay away from that. The things that I posted I believe have a biblical heaven or hell issue.

[pelathais]

Who is that ???
One of our favorites!

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=526081&postcount=43

See the sig line.

[StMark]

One of our favorites!

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=526081&postcount=43

See the sig line.


oh okay got it

[Praxeas]

Well concerning zippers and owning devices that play video, colored shirts, ect are standards for certain churches and I’m trying to stay away from that. The things that I posted I believe have a biblical heaven or hell issue.
The point is they THINK they have bible principles to back them up. They THINK they are heaven and hell issues.

[berkeley]

I think you can be respectful - there's no need to get in someone's face who doesn't agree with you. It seems that you've got a good balance here - and I've known many pastors who "allow liberties" for those on the road and such. A visit to a ball park with a family member, shorts in the Caribbean...

I used to be the poster child for the ultra cons here back home. I've changed a lot in the past few yrs. But, having the u.c. background, I understand how they feel when someone breaks a little rule. I used to judge everyone for breaking the small rules, all the while I was into some really bad stuff. If you know anything about my past (was a thread around here, I asked for it to be removed) you would know what I am talking about. Anyway, I have some good friends and I don't want my liberties to be an offense to them. What can I say? I love them. So I gladly follow through. No bitterness. :)

There are a number of issues that I have changed or am examining and may change, but I can't post about that just yet. lol .. A few know that I am a member here.

[LadyCoonskinner]

I follow the "rules" when I'm home.. but when I'm away I exercise a few liberties. There's no one around that will be offended by the hair on my chin or the wearing of shorts.
Go home and it's clean shaven and pants in 120* weather.

Am I supposed to follow the "rules" per the "pastor" all the time?

If you claim to be from his church and especially if you are used in any capacity at all, yes, you need to follow the rules WHEREVER you may be.

IMO, as a pastor's wife and a saint, if you don't believe what your pastor preaches, then go somewhere where you do believe what they preach. I understand if there is not a church around that is anywhere close to what you believe, and you attend there to help keep you in "balance", but if you profess to be apart of that church, you need to live in such a way that people around you will not be confused.

Not meaning to be mean, just my opinion.

[Praxeas]

You know it is funny...you can be a liberal Trinitarian all your life and discover what you believed was wrong and become an UC Oneness....but the moment you discover some of the things you believed as a UC were wrong and move away from that all heck breaks loose

[pelathais]

oh okay got it
What? Did you think I was trying to start a fight with you? That's crazy talk! :crazy

[berkeley]

If you claim to be from his church and especially if you are used in any capacity at all, yes, you need to follow the rules WHEREVER you may be.

IMO, as a pastor's wife and a saint, if you don't believe what your pastor preaches, then go somewhere where you do believe what they preach. I understand if there is not a church around that is anywhere close to what you believe, and you attend there to help keep you in "balance", but if you profess to be apart of that church, you need to live in such a way that people around you will not be confused.

Not meaning to be mean, just my opinion.

People around me are not confused. I get asked so many questions and I answer "I won't tell you anything that goes contrary to what the pastor teaches." I grin and stay silent.
When I am away I exercise my liberties... away... far away.. not when I'm anywhere near home.

[StMark]

What? Did you think I was trying to start a fight with you? That's crazy talk! :crazy



Yea I did :ursofunny

and I was ready for :boxing

[pelathais]

Yea I did :ursofunny

and I was ready for :boxing
Well, I just called you "crazy!"

[LadyCoonskinner]

I think you can be respectful - there's no need to get in someone's face who doesn't agree with you. It seems that you've got a good balance here - and I've known many pastors who "allow liberties" for those on the road and such. A visit to a ball park with a family member, shorts in the Caribbean...

HELLO!!! I wouldn't call that balance. That's living with one foot on either side of the fence. You live one way at home and then another at church, that's not balance, that's hypocrisy.

I know I'll probably get clobbered but, oh well.

I guess I'm one of those ultra cons who didn't leave.

BTW, let me add, if you attend a church and don't follow the "rules" and make no beans about it, and don't profess to be an Apsotolic or don't profess to be a member of that churchl, that is a totally different thing. But telling someone "I am a member of Bro. so and so's church" that's another thing all together.

[StMark]

Well, I just called you "crazy!"


I can't argue with that though :ursofunny:ursofunny

[dizzyde]

#1. Why do you get the honors of deciding what being Apostolic is?

#2. I believe that Apostles actually would have called themselves Christians. Or in the language of their time, followers of Christ.

#3. Quoting you from above "nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this," I would be interested in seeing the scripture text where the apostles taught this?

#4. Why do you only post when 1stCorinth2v4 is around?

No bad spirit, just honest points and questions. :friend

#1. im sorry you tell me what it means.

#2. I was first told to call myself apolstolic from your dads church about 15 years ago.
#3. read the bible
#4. just by chance i guess.


OK, for your first answer, I am not the one claiming the right to decide who is "apostolic". That is not my judgment to make, and bottom line, it just an arbitrary term.

As to your second answer, you were "told" to call yourself apostolic by my "dads church"? Several points, did the entire church tell you this??? Also, if you have ever had anything to do with my "dads church" you would know that he would NEVER say that he has a church, there is only one church and it is Gods. Finally, on this section, whatever happened or didn't happen, I am absolutely certain that you were never told to call yourself "apolstolic". (sorry, that one was just too easy). :winkgrin

To the third answer, I am not disputing the pants issue with you, I simply wanted to you to tell me where it was that the apostles taught it. Apparently you cannot do that.

The last point is a little too big of a coincidence to me, but whatever. :dunno

To wrap this up, I really am not trying to be argumentative, but you and your buddies seem to think that you can throw out known controversial topics and claim, "you aren't looking for a fight." Exactly what kind of response do you anticipate when you flat out tell people that they aren't "apostolic" because they don't believe the way you do.

You can't start an argument, and then say you don't want to fight. It is disingenuous at best.

But still, :friend

[LadyCoonskinner]

People around me are not confused. I get asked so many questions and I answer "I won't tell you anything that goes contrary to what the pastor teaches." I grin and stay silent.
When I am away I exercise my liberties... away... far away.. not when I'm anywhere near home.

Now, I can respect that unless you are used in a position of leadership.

[berkeley]

HELLO!!! I wouldn't call that balance. That's living with one foot on either side of the fence. You live one way at home and then another at church, that's not balance, that's hypocrisy.

I know I'll probably get clobbered but, oh well.

I guess I'm one of those ultra cons who didn't leave.

BTW, let me add, if you attend a church and don't follow the "rules" and make no beans about it, and don't profess to be an Apsotolic or don't profess to be a member of that churchl, that is a totally different thing. But telling someone "I am a member of Bro. so and so's church" that's another thing all together.
I won't clobber you. I have a great deal of respect for you and the mister. :)

I don't see it as hypocrisy. For the sake of peace I stay clean shaven. I don't want to offend my brothers. I guess I become all things to all men.
I'm going to be leaving soon. Maybe I'll grow some fuzz.. maybe I won't. If I do grow it, when I come home to visit, I'll shave out of respect for the church here.

[berkeley]

Now, I can respect that unless you are used in a position of leadership.

That, I am not. :)

[pelathais]

HELLO!!! I wouldn't call that balance. That's living with one foot on either side of the fence. You live one way at home and then another at church, that's not balance, that's hypocrisy.

I know I'll probably get clobbered but, oh well.

I guess I'm one of those ultra cons who didn't leave.

BTW, let me add, if you attend a church and don't follow the "rules" and make no beans about it, and don't profess to be an Apsotolic or don't profess to be a member of that churchl, that is a totally different thing. But telling someone "I am a member of Bro. so and so's church" that's another thing all together.
HI!!!! I called it "balance."

And why would I ever want to "clobber" you? We just see something that I consider a trivial point from different angles. I wouldn't say that Berk's wearing of "shorts" when he's traveling through a desert someplace gives us enough insight to say anything about the "way he lives." And I am assuming that Berk isn't garbed in something unreasonably skimpy here.

Frankly, the sight of his calf tells me nothing more about his pastor than the sight of yours tells me about Coon.

[LadyCoonskinner]

I won't clobber you. I have a great deal of respect for you and the mister. :)

I don't see it as hypocrisy. For the sake of peace I stay clean shaven. I don't want to offend my brothers. I guess I become all things to all men.
I'm going to be leaving soon. Maybe I'll grow some fuzz.. maybe I won't. If I do grow it, when I come home to visit, I'll shave out of respect for the church here.

I can respect that.

[StMark]

HELLO!!! I wouldn't call that balance. That's living with one foot on either side of the fence. You live one way at home and then another at church, that's not balance, that's hypocrisy.

I know I'll probably get clobbered but, oh well.

I guess I'm one of those ultra cons who didn't leave.

BTW, let me add, if you attend a church and don't follow the "rules" and make no beans about it, and don't profess to be an Apsotolic or don't profess to be a member of that churchl, that is a totally different thing. But telling someone "I am a member of Bro. so and so's church" that's another thing all together.

Praise the Lord Sister CoonS. long time no talk to!

what if you have people that attend your church on sunday
but don't really uphold the standards yet let it be known
throughout the community that they are from your church?
We tend to have quite a few of those in my church. We have Visitors
that just come on Sunday morning. and on quite a few occasions,
I'll be someone where in town, at the store, post office, whatever,
and I'll hear someone say " HI Brother Mark" . I'll say HI to be
polite but I'm saying to myself "who in the world is that" ?? lol
A few times they've noticed that i didn't know them and they'll
say something like " don't you know me? I'm come to your church
on Sunday" .

[1Corinth2v4]

I have a question after reading all the threads on here lately. First I would like to say that I believe I am apostolic. And I believe this because I teach, preach, and believe like the apostles. Now my question to you is, if this is called Apostolic Friends Forum, what is apostolic about it. Most of you on here think it’s a free trip to heaven so live how yow want (as long as your not breaking a “thou shall not” straight from God), you can set wicked things before your eyes ( and yes I’m talking about Hollywood, Disney, ect )you can get baptized if you want to but you don’t have to, as long as you believe in God that all that matters, nobodies except God is going to tell you what to do especially the pastor, if you’re a lady you think you can cut your hair, wear pants, makeup and jewelry. If you’re a man you let your wife rule the house ect…………..
Now the apostles taught against all of this, so if you believe this can you still call your self an apostolic according to my belief of the definition of being apostolic (which is preaching, teaching and believing like the apostles. So once again what is so apostolic about AFF
I hope we can discuss this without anyone getting a bad spirit and we can all still be :friend



What's Apostolic about this forum? Perhaps just the forum's name :D

[StMark]

I just checked out this thread and was appalled.
Most of you have not treated HTG right at all.
You may not agree with him but he is still a preacher
of the gospel. I didn't read where he was slamming
and mocking you and calling you names.
Maybe those are his real convictions- do you think
someone should be ridiculed for that ??? what do
we want, a forum where everyone thinks and believes
just like us or one where different thoughts can be
discussed??

Admin I ask that you take a look at this


I would like to know if I'm alone on my thoughts on this
or if others noticed the same thing and agree

Thanks

[berkeley]

What's Apostolic about this forum? Perhaps just the forum's name :D

then why do people that feel like this stay around... really

[Tim Rutledge]

I would like to know if I'm alone on my thoughts on this
or if others noticed the same thing and agree

Thanks

Br. St Mark. Let the heathen rage.

[LadyCoonskinner]

HI!!!! I called it "balance."

And why would I ever want to "clobber" you? We just see something that I consider a trivial point from different angles. I wouldn't say that Berk's wearing of "shorts" when he's traveling through a desert someplace gives us enough insight to say anything about the "way he lives." And I am assuming that Berk isn't garbed in something unreasonably skimpy here.

Frankly, the sight of his calf tells me nothing more about his pastor than the sight of yours tells me about Coon.

Well, we differ then on the definition then. But that's alright, you have the right to be wrong!!!!:ursofunny:ursofunny

Pel, I've learned that it takes all kinds and we're not going to agree on everything. And that's alright, but we need to read the book. It's the final judge on who's wrong and who's right. Jesus is the ultimate authority, not you , not me, not any flesh.

But IMO, we need to be careful telling people that it's ok to say one thing and live another. Especially when we are in the ministry. WE are going to be held accountable for what we say and do. Not saying that you are doing that. I'm talking about be a witness for Him. If you are what you are, you'll live that way, if not then be something else.

[1Corinth2v4]

then why do people that feel like this stay around... really

You have a strange avatar Berkeley.

[StMark]

Br. St Mark. Let the heathen rage.


Bro Tim you are in Major Trouble now!!! :woohoo

[Tim Rutledge]

Bro Tim you are in Major Trouble now!!! :woohoo

Timmy don't care.:club

[1Corinth2v4]

Timmy don't care.:club

Is your father Ken?

[RandyWayne]

Well, we differ then on the definition then. But that's alright, you have the right to be wrong!!!!:ursofunny:ursofunny

Pel, I've learned that it takes all kinds and we're not going to agree on everything. And that's alright, but we need to read the book. It's the final judge on who's wrong and who's right. Jesus is the ultimate authority, not you , not me, not any flesh.

But IMO, we need to be careful telling people that it's ok to say one thing and live another. Especially when we are in the ministry. WE are going to be held accountable for what we say and do. Not saying that you are doing that. I'm talking about be a witness for Him. If you are what you are, you'll live that way, if not then be something else.

I believe it is God who has the final say.... not the Book, only because it cannot speak to every possible circumstance we may run across -at least in a black and white way. Example: sleeve length. Although it does provide many guidelines.....

And I may have read Berkeley's posts different but I didn't see where he was saying he was living one way, then not. But rather just living as to not offend. If he said "I don't do <fill in the blank>" when at his home church, then blatantly doing it while a hundred or more miles away, I would have a problem with that as well.

[LadyCoonskinner]

Praise the Lord Sister CoonS. long time no talk to!

what if you have people that attend your church on sunday
but don't really uphold the standards yet let be known
throughout the community that they are from your church?
We tend to have quite a few of those in my church. We have Visitors
that just come on Sunday morning. and quite a few occasions,
I'll be someone where in town, at the store, post office, whatever,
and I'll hear someone say " HI Brother Mark" . I'll say HI to be
polite but I'm saying to myself "who in the world is that" ?? lol
A few times they've noticed that i didn't know them and they'll
say something like " don't you know me? I'm come to your church
on Sunday" .

People can tell the difference. They see you and then they see them and say, "um there's a difference" Just let them tell that. People will know. My only concern is that if those people are used in leadership positions. That confuses people and then puts questions in people's minds that is hard to overcome.

[Tim Rutledge]

Is your father Ken?

No sir. His name is Tim.

[pelathais]

Well, we differ then on the definition then. But that's alright, you have the right to be wrong!!!!:ursofunny:ursofunny

Pel, I've learned that it takes all kinds and we're not going to agree on everything. And that's alright, but we need to read the book. It's the final judge on who's wrong and who's right. Jesus is the ultimate authority, not you , not me, not any flesh.

But IMO, we need to be careful telling people that it's ok to say one thing and live another. Especially when we are in the ministry. WE are going to be held accountable for what we say and do. Not saying that you are doing that. I'm talking about be a witness for Him. If you are what you are, you'll live that way, if not then be something else.
That last statement is very wise counsel for anyone.

I guess I just don't see the problem if, for example, when I go fishing I wear my baggy cargo "shorts" and then, before I cook up the catch I put on a pair of slacks when I'm in the house with a bunch of other people around.

Peter fished naked, I won't go that far.

[LadyCoonskinner]

I believe it is God who has the final say.... not the Book, only because it cannot speak to every possible circumstance we may run across -at least in a black and white way. Example: sleeve length. Although it does provide many guidelines.....

And I may have read Berkeley's posts different but I didn't see where he was saying he was living one way, then not. But rather just living as to not offend. If he said "I don't do <fill in the blank>" when at his home church, then blatantly doing it while a hundred or more miles away, I would have a problem with that as well.


My concern was that he was in a position. (had it in my head that he was) that's why I posted the way I did.

[StMark]

People can tell the difference. They see you and then they see them and say, "um there's a difference" Just let them tell that. People will know. My only concern is that if those people are used in leadership positions. That confuses people and then puts questions in people's minds that is hard to overcome.


No it's people that just attend - I understand what you are
saying.

[Tim Rutledge]

i have tried my best not to be judgmental. i started this thread to discuss an issue, not to judge.

You did good.

[LadyCoonskinner]

That last statement is very wise counsel for anyone.

I guess I just don't see the problem if, for example, when I go fishing I wear my baggy cargo "shorts" and then, before I cook up the catch I put on a pair of slacks when I'm in the house with a bunch of other people around.

Peter fished naked, I won't go that far.

I see what you are saying. Not that I agree. But you have a right to you opinion. I respect that you are "respectful" to the others around you. (at least you're headed in the right direction!!!:tease)

I won't touch the last statement. Except that was waaaaayy too funny!!!:ursofunny

[Praxeas]

Yea I did :ursofunny

and I was ready for :boxing
Mark go drink a cup of rooibos and calm down :ursofunny

[berkeley]

You have a strange avatar Berkeley.
That poster was on the wall in my world history class when I was in h.s. It was originally used as propaganda during WWII. And that's where the carpool started.

[Hoovie]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/beachwear.jpg

Sin?

[Praxeas]

Br. St Mark. Let the heathen rage.
And let the pharisees cast stones?

[pelathais]

People can tell the difference. They see you and then they see them and say, "um there's a difference" Just let them tell that. People will know. My only concern is that if those people are used in leadership positions. That confuses people and then puts questions in people's minds that is hard to overcome.
It may be "hard to overcome" because some of the things we do aren't in the Book that you mentioned a moment ago.

I remember a real difficult time many years ago when a brother in the church was told by his doctor not to shave for 6 months until an infection on his face cleared up. And, it was some sort of fungal thing he got while serving his country overseas.

As soon as his beard grew out the pastor's wife was livid with him - and with the pastor who had told him to "just play it cool...".

They ended up throwing the guy out of the church. Wrecked a whole family's faith in the Apostolic message. All because we wouldn't brook any kind of "compromise" - not even for six months.

[StMark]

Mark go drink a cup of rooibos and calm down :ursofunny


I did already lol ! I was in the bay area and they served Iced rooibos- Very good! :santathumb

[LadyCoonskinner]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/beachwear.jpg

Sin?

I don't know that it's a sin, but I think if we preach that men need to wear pants, then I believe that causes confusion in the minds of people.

[Praxeas]

I did already lol ! I was in the bay area and they served Iced rooibos- Very good! :santathumb
Awesome. Was it straight Rooibos or did it have other stuff?

[Steve Epley]

Less and less Apostolic all the time.

[berkeley]

I don't know that it's a sin, but I think if we preach that men need to wear pants, then I believe that causes confusion in the minds of people.

They are short-pants. Bout as long as a knee length skirt.


-respectfully

[Tim Rutledge]

Less and less Apostolic all the time.

Amen and Amen.

[pelathais]

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z116/luckysweep/beachwear.jpg

Sin?
Depends on the socks. The selection of men's hosiery will make or break any outfit.

[berkeley]

Depends on the socks. The selection of men's hosiery will make or break any outfit.

A sin against fashion :ursofunny

[pelathais]

Less and less Apostolic all the time.
Peter fished naked and read the Roman Catholic version of the Old Testament.

Do we have to do that to convince you that we're "Apostolic" enough for you?

[Praxeas]

You know there's always www.goodnewscafe.net (http://www.goodnewscafe.net)

We would not want you Ultra Cons to backslide by hanging around heathens :crazy

[StMark]

Awesome. Was it straight Rooibos or did it have other stuff?


Other stuff ??
BTW, the heat wave is finally breaking PTL!
112 on Thursday the over night low was in the 80s!
but today much better!

[Praxeas]

Other stuff ??
BTW, the heat wave is finally breaking PTL!
112 on Thursday the over night low was in the 80s!
but today much better!
other flavors, kinds of teas blended with it

[berkeley]

some people live in the better part of the valley

[LadyCoonskinner]

It may be "hard to overcome" because some of the things we do aren't in the Book that you mentioned a moment ago.

I remember a real difficult time many years ago when a brother in the church was told by his doctor not to shave for 6 months until an infection on his face cleared up. And, it was some sort of fungal thing he got while serving his country overseas.

As soon as his beard grew out the pastor's wife was livid with him - and with the pastor who had told him to "just play it cool...".

They ended up throwing the guy out of the church. Wrecked a whole family's faith in the Apostolic message. All because we wouldn't brook any kind of "compromise" - not even for six months.


Well, of course that's going way overboard. There are somethings that have to be done. That would be like sister who got cancer and her hair fell out. She'd be chunked out the front door. Hello, people to need to use their brain for something other to .....oh never mind. (It's people like that who give us a bad name.):snapout:crazy

[Praxeas]

And then there are those that think it is hot when it hits 80....they usually live by the ocean :ursofunny

[hometown guy]

Other stuff ??
BTW, the heat wave is finally breaking PTL!
112 on Thursday the over night low was in the 80s!
but today much better!

it was still 103 here. i guess thats better then what it was yesterday.

[Tim Rutledge]

Peter fished naked and read the Roman Catholic version of the Old Testament.

Do we have to do that to convince you that we're "Apostolic" enough for you?

Peter wasn't a tongue talker yet. Catholic? Council of Nicea was when?

[pelathais]

You know there's always www.goodnewscafe.net (http://www.goodnewscafe.net)

We would not want you Ultra Cons to backslide by hanging around heathens :crazy
Hmmm... I just went over there and found 15 users while there are 59 online here at AFF now.

[Hoovie]

Depends on the socks. The selection of men's hosiery will make or break any outfit.

I was saving this for when I post the pictures.... but I was wearing those short pants at Disney a couple weeks ago (No hosiery and mickey Mouse Crocs) and a girl/lady asked me to DANCE! I tried to talk my way out of it... but my sweet Conservative UPC wife said - DO IT!

Did I sin?

Is there repentance to be found??

More later - with the pictures!

[LadyCoonskinner]

They are short-pants. Bout as long as a knee length skirt.


-respectfully

There's a difference in MEN and 'WOMEN'S appearal.

[StMark]

Less and less Apostolic all the time.


Yea I have to agree. IMO the majority of this forum
is now more Charismatic then Pentecostal

[berkeley]

There's a difference in MEN and 'WOMEN'S appearal.

Why do women get to show their calves?

A male is more likely to be enticed by a womans calf, than a woman enticed by a mans calf... guy legs are ugly.

[StMark]

And then there are those that think it is hot when it hits 80....they usually live by the ocean :ursofunny


The Bay area was nice - similar to your temps

[Hoovie]

There's a difference in MEN and 'WOMEN'S appearal.


Right. Even common sense tells us a woman's leg ... oh wait that won't hold water...

[LadyCoonskinner]

Why do women get to show their calves?

A male is more likely to be enticed by a womans calf, than a woman enticed by a mans calf... guy legs are ugly.

That's why they need to be covered!!!!:ursofunny:ursofunny:ursofunny

[Praxeas]

Hmmm... I just went over there and found 15 users while there are 59 online here at AFF now.
Does that mean there are less "True" Apostolics than us heathens?

[Tim Rutledge]

Yea I have to agree. IMO the majority of this forum
is now more Charismatic then Pentecostal

I agree. Much more.

[pelathais]

Peter wasn't a tongue talker yet. Catholic? Council of Nicea was when?
The apostles used the Septuagint. You use the Jewish Masoretic text. Today, the only Bibles in the English language that use the Septuagint are the Roman Catholic Bibles.

That's the reason the RCC (and the Eastern Orthodox churches) uses the Septuagint - they claim to be "Apostolic."

If you want to be "Apostolic" why don't you use the same Bible as the original Apostles? Why? Because the Reformers didn't want to use the same Bible as the RCC.

And so we have a very powerful tradition that seperates us from the 1st century church. A tradition that we will never overcome and become more "Apostolic."

And what's "tongue talking" got to do with fishing? Are you saying that he somehow gave up the culture in which he was raised? There were no women around out on the boat so "naked" meant that you didn't get your clothes smelly - it was just practical. And besides, even in his "fisher's coat" that he put on to be with Jesus, he would have fallen well short of of our holiness standards. And what about the beards that everyone wore?

[Hoovie]

Yea I have to agree. IMO the majority of this forum
is now more Charismatic then Pentecostal

NOPE! where is that poll??

[dizzyde]

Yea I have to agree. IMO the majority of this forum
is now more Charismatic then Pentecostal

:smack

[RandyWayne]

I don't know that it's a sin, but I think if we preach that men need to wear pants, then I believe that causes confusion in the minds of people.

See all you need to do is preach that men wear men's apparel. Then you wouldn't have these dilemmas. LOL

[RandyWayne]

I was saving this for when I post the pictures.... but I was wearing those short pants at Disney a couple weeks ago (No hosiery and mickey Mouse Crocs) and a girl/lady asked me to DANCE! I tried to talk my way out of it... but my sweet Conservative UPC wife said - DO IT!

Did I sin?

Is there repentance to be found??

More later - with the pictures!

If dancing is a sin, then I am among the greatest sinners here.... Except dancing is NOT a sin, thank God!

[LadyCoonskinner]

See all you need to do is preach that men wear men's apparel. Then you wouldn't have these dilemmas. LOL

Kinda hard to do anymore with "GENDER BLENDING" (that's a gross thought, ya know!!!)

[pelathais]

There's a difference in MEN and 'WOMEN'S appearal.
So the women get to wear the shorts as well? But not men?

[Praxeas]

So the women get to wear the shorts as well? But not men?
Never understood why in some churches a woman can wear skirts to "below her knees" but a man can't wear his pants to below his knees

[StMark]

Never understood why in some churches a woman can wear skirts to "below her knees" but a man can't wear his pants to below his knees



Prax have you ever seen a man in a respectable line of work
wearing shorts ??? such as in an office or a doctor,etc
This is just where the line is drawn even in polite society

[hometown guy]

Never understood why in some churches a woman can wear skirts to "below her knees" but a man can't wear his pants to below his knees

Bro. Fields would say " i dont want to see your nasty ole hairy legs cover them up".

[LadyCoonskinner]

Prax have you ever seen a man in a respectable line of work
wearing shorts ??? such as in an office or a doctor,etc
This is just where the line is drawn even in polite society

Ditto!!!

[berkeley]

Prax have you ever seen a man in a respectable line of work
wearing shorts ??? such as in an office or a doctor,etc
This is just where the line is drawn even in polite society

Uncle is a D.A. in Kern County... wears shorts.. go figure.

[pelathais]

Prax have you ever seen a man in a respectable line of work
wearing shorts ??? such as in an office or a doctor,etc
This is just where the line is drawn even in polite society
What if you're a polite geologist? In the classroom you'd wear one set of clothes, out in the field under a 120 degree sun you would wear a different set of clothing.

Dressing appropriately is not a sin.

[1Corinth2v4]

Bro. Fields would say " i dont want to see your nasty ole hairy legs cover them up".

You still there?

[StMark]

Uncle is a D.A. in Kern County... wears shorts.. go figure.


In the court room?? kinda doubt it- the courts have
strict dress decorum

[Praxeas]

Prax have you ever seen a man in a respectable line of work
wearing shorts ??? such as in an office or a doctor,etc
This is just where the line is drawn even in polite society
uh...wait a second. Are you saying those guys never wear shorts when they are NOT in the office?

Yes I have seen those men wearing shorts....in fact they might even wear speedos

[hometown guy]

Uncle is a D.A. in Kern County... wears shorts.. go figure.

there is a sighn in our court house that says "no shorts".

[Praxeas]

Bro. Fields would say " i dont want to see your nasty ole hairy legs cover them up".
and? He also said "if you're married you should wear a wedding band"

[berkeley]

In the court room?? kinda doubt it- the courts have
strict dress decorum

what does a uniform to work have to do with what one wears when they clock out?

[RandyWayne]

Prax have you ever seen a man in a respectable line of work
wearing shorts ??? such as in an office or a doctor,etc
This is just where the line is drawn even in polite society

I don't think he's talking about at the office, but everywhere else. I'm wearing them now as I sit here.... And to the grocery store. It is standard clothing here in AZ.
But.... Where the situation requires it, I wear dress pants: to work, to Church, any formal function....

[pelathais]

Bro. Fields would say " i dont want to see your nasty ole hairy legs cover them up".
I'd tell dear Bro. Fields to either close his eyes or stop fixating upon my nasty ole hairy legs.

I thought there was to be some mutual respect in a polite society.

[Praxeas]

Bro. Fields would say " i dont want to see your nasty ole hairy legs cover them up".
Do you look at men's legs?

[StMark]

What if you're a polite geologist? In the classroom you'd wear one set of clothes, out in the field under a 120 degree sun you would wear a different set of clothing.

Dressing appropriately is not a sin.


we've had a string of days above 110 i wore pants

6 more inches of fabric is not going to matter that much

[berkeley]

there is a sighn in our court house that says "no shorts".

until next week... you alllll have a good night.

[hometown guy]

You still there?

no, ive been gone for about 6 or 7 years now.

[pelathais]

Uncle is a D.A. in Kern County... wears shorts.. go figure.
To court? Probably not. To play in a baskeball court? That would be different.

[berkeley]

outside of the office.. outside of the office.. ttyl

[Tim Rutledge]

there is a sighn in our court house that says "no shorts".

Legalists.

[Praxeas]

So we are to preach shorts is a heaven or hell issue because a court won't allow men to wear shorts inside?

[pelathais]

we've had a string of days above 110 i wore pants

6 more inches of fabric is not going to matter that much
What were you doing?

And I'm not even that tall (just under 6') and for me it would be over a foot of fabric to go from the bottom of my knee to the top of my ankle. And I notice the difference. That's why my "long pants" are hanging over a chair next to me and I'm wearing my baggy jams right now.

[hometown guy]

Legalists.


Believe it or not I don’t know of anyone that said “I’m not going to that court house because they don’t let me wear shorts”

[RandyWayne]

Believe it or not I don’t know of anyone that said “I’m not going to that court house because they don’t let me wear shorts”

But the courthouse doesn't say "NO shorts anywhere else!" either.

[pelathais]

So we are to preach shorts is a heaven or hell issue because a court won't allow men to wear shorts inside?
There's a time and place for everything. I'd be concerned if my counsel showed up in district court dressed for tennis.

But the same shyster would be in trouble if he walked out onto some high grade tennis court wearing a three piece suit, a fob and street shoes.

[Tim Rutledge]

So we are to preach shorts is a heaven or hell issue because a court won't allow men to wear shorts inside?

Apostolics don't wear shorts in public. We as children of the King (Royalty).. should have a higher standards at all times then a corrupt court system.

[StMark]

Legalists.


you know something, the things we put with in church
the Judge would NEVER stand for! talking, going in and out
to talk on the cell phone. The courts get more respect then
the house of God !!

[pelathais]

Legalists.
I guess that by definition the court house is probably always going to be crowded with "legalists."

[Praxeas]

Apostolics don't wear shorts in public. We as children of the King (Royalty).. should have a higher standards at all times then a corrupt court system.
Oh...so the court system, which says no shorts in here...is corrupt? Yet you guys are referring to THAT SAME SYSTEM as part of your argument on shorts?
That's as bad as magic hair and witches

[Praxeas]

Apostolics don't wear shorts in public. We as children of the King (Royalty).. should have a higher standards at all times then a corrupt court system.
Can a woman wear a skirt to her shins?

[StMark]

There's a time and place for everything. I'd be concerned if my counsel showed up in district court dressed for tennis.

But the same shyster would be in trouble if he walked out onto some high grade tennis court wearing a three piece suit, a fob and street shoes.


Not saying it's a sin it's just to set a wholesome example.
I'm around 6ft also. what if the ladies could wear their skirts
another foot shorter? that wouldn't be too modest

[Praxeas]

Not saying it's a sin it's just to set a wholesome example.
I'm around 6ft also. what if the ladies could wear their skirts
another foot shorter? that wouldn't be too modest
Mark, at your church are the ladies all forbidden to wear skirts above their ankles?

[Tim Rutledge]

you know something, the things we put with in church
the Judge would NEVER stand for! talking, going in and out
to talk on the cell phone. The courts get more respect then
the house of God !!

Some will do things for the almighty dollar, that they won't do for God.

[StMark]

Mark, at your church are the ladies all forbidden to wear skirts above their ankles?


what made you ask a silly question like that?
they wear skirts below the knee

[Tim Rutledge]

Can a woman wear a skirt to her shins?

It matters where a dress comes to, when she comfortably sits down.

[Praxeas]

what made you ask a silly question like that?
they wear skirts below the knee
How far below their knees? To their ankles or is the general rule that the can't be higher than the knees?

[Praxeas]

It matters where a dress comes to, when she comfortably sits down.
So that is a yes? She can?

Why can't a guy wear shorts to their shins? You know when he sits with them they are much more modest than a skirt that has no inseam

[StMark]

How far below their knees? To their ankles or is the general rule that the can't be higher than the knees?


Prax, I don't what it is in inches
come on, you are trying to get technical

[pelathais]

How far below their knees? To their ankles or is the general rule that the can't be higher than the knees?
I still haven't heard a good argument about why a modest man's cuffs need to be lower than a modest women's hem.

For that matter, no one from the "no shorts!" side even seems to want to acknowledge that this is what it all comes down to.

[1Corinth2v4]

Believe it or not I don’t know of anyone that said “I’m not going to that court house because they don’t let me wear shorts”

Hey Hometown,


Sometime ago I was going to create a forum named "The Apostolic Corner", I sent out mass emails and had multitudes of people that wanted to join, but a situation arose and I put it on hold, they're still awaiting the forum, lol.


Anyways, the forum's header became screwed up, but in honor of Pastor Fields , I added a picture of him preaching on the header.

Maybe I'll start the forum in while, I'm not sure, but here's a copy of my header.

Pastor Fields is at the bottom left preaching, I miss that man.




http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee158/apostolic_bucket/headerfullb.jpg

[Praxeas]

Prax, I don't what it is in inches
come on, you are trying to get technical
Im trying to show how silly it is to say men can't wear shorts, even if they are as long as ladies skirts

[Praxeas]

I still haven't heard a good argument about why a modest man's cuffs need to be lower than a modest women's hem.

For that matter, no one even seems to want to acknowledge that this is what it all comes down to.
yeah exactly

[StMark]

I still haven't heard a good argument about why a modest man's cuffs need to be lower than a modest women's hem.


so you would be fine with a man on the platform
leading worship wearing cut offs ?? afterall it's about
the same lenght as the skirt.

Men and women have a different set of clothing Pel

[StMark]

Im trying to show how silly it is to say men can't wear shorts, even if they are as long as ladies skirts

Because it's worldly in its appearance

[Praxeas]

so you would be fine with a man on the platform
leading worship wearing cut offs ?? afterall it's about
the same lenght as the skirt.

Men and women have a different set of clothing Pel
yah...and shorts are just pants that are short. It's ok for a woman to wear a skirt that is not down to her ankles but not above her knees but a man wears pants that come to his shins and he is not apostolic anymore? Going to hell? Good grief

[Tim Rutledge]

So that is a yes? She can?

Why can't a guy wear shorts to their shins? You know when he sits with them they are much more modest than a skirt that has no inseam

So.. when I say she cannot wear it to her shins, and her ankles must be covered then what do you say? You still would think boys can wear sissy-fied shorts. Apostolic Men don't wear shorts.

[Praxeas]

Because it's worldly in its appearance
Says who? Who made that up? Where in teh bible does it say "pants to your shins is worldly in appearence"?

Why were Hebrews allowed to gird up their loins and not go to hell?

[pelathais]

Prax, I don't what it is in inches
come on, you are trying to get technical
If we're going to have "standards" and "rules" for such things then we must be technical.

Mark, why can't a man wear a pair of pants that are as long as the ladies' skirts? Now, I can roll up my long pants and wade into the surf a bit - no problem with the standards police there. But if I purchased a pair of cargo shorts whose cuffs came down to the exact same position on my leg, suddenly I'm "not Apostolic."

Why?

[hometown guy]

so you would be fine with a man on the platform
leading worship wearing cut offs ?? afterall it's about
the same lenght as the skirt.

Men and women have a different set of clothing Pel

good point

[StMark]

yah...and shorts are just pants that are short. It's ok for a woman to wear a skirt that is not down to her ankles but not above her knees but a man wears pants that come to his shins and he is not apostolic anymore? Going to hell? Good grief


no one is sending anyone to hell prax show me who said that.
The church is striving not to look carnal and shorts look carnal

[Praxeas]

So.. when I say she cannot wear it to her shins, and her ankles must be covered then what do you say? You still would think boys can wear sissy-fied shorts. Apostolic Men don't wear shorts.
If you had said she has to wear them to her ankles i would have said "well at least you are consistant"

lol...it's so hilarious that your only argument is to call them sissy-fied and pontificate over and over "Apostolic men don't wear shorts"

BTW some people think the clean shaven Smoooooooth skin look is sissyfied. GROW A BEARD and be a real man

[pelathais]

so you would be fine with a man on the platform
leading worship wearing cut offs ?? afterall it's about
the same lenght as the skirt.

Men and women have a different set of clothing Pel
And the pants are different from the skirts.

And as I said before - there's a time and place for things. Is it a sin to swim in the ocean? Is it a sin to just wade right out there? Even on a crowded beach, can I walk in the surf?

[Praxeas]

no one is sending anyone to hell prax show me who said that.
The church is striving not to look carnal and shorts look carnal
according to Tim if you wear shorts you are not Apostolic...let's look at this...are non Apostolics saved or not?

Shorts do not look carnal to me, at least not the ones I see that are below the knees.

[Praxeas]

If we're going to have "standards" and "rules" for such things then we must be technical.

Mark, why can't a man wear a pair of pants that are as long as the ladies' skirts? Now, I can roll up my long pants and wade into the surf a bit - no problem with the standards police there. But if I purchased a pair of cargo shorts whose cuffs came down to the exact same position on my leg, suddenly I'm "not Apostolic."

Why?
I hear someone straining at a gnat lol. Crazy isn't it?

[Tim Rutledge]

If you had said she has to wear them to her ankles i would have said "well at least you are consistant"

lol...it's so hilarious that your only argument is to call them sissy-fied and pontificate over and over "Apostolic men don't wear shorts"

BTW some people think the clean shaven Smoooooooth skin look is sissyfied. GROW A BEARD and be a real man

You do realize your on an Apostolic Forum. You are Apostolic?

[StMark]

If we're going to have "standards" and "rules" for such things then we must be technical.

Mark, why can't a man wear a pair of pants that are as long as the ladies' skirts? Now, I can roll up my long pants and wade into the surf a bit - no problem with the standards police there. But if I purchased a pair of cargo shorts whose cuffs came down to the exact same position on my leg, suddenly I'm "not Apostolic."

Why?


There are just certain things that look lady like and somethings
that only a man should wear. This goes far in the area of distinction

[Praxeas]

Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
Mat 23:24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
Mat 23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Mat 23:26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
Mat 23:27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

Let's get out the measuring tape and see who is really an Apostolic

[StMark]

Says who? Who made that up? Where in teh bible does it say "pants to your shins is worldly in appearence"?

Why were Hebrews allowed to gird up their loins and not go to hell?

Prax, don't try to compare an ancient hebrew culture to today's
western society. They wore different types of robes then. it was
for that time. If men walked around in robes today they'd be
looked at as crazy

[StMark]

according to Tim if you wear shorts you are not Apostolic...let's look at this...are non Apostolics saved or not?

Shorts do not look carnal to me, at least not the ones I see that are below the knees.


well it sure doesn't look Pentecostal

[StMark]

Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
Mat 23:24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
Mat 23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Mat 23:26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
Mat 23:27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

Let's get out the measuring tape and see who is really an Apostolic


Are you using scriptures to hurl names at other posters?

[Tim Rutledge]

Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
Mat 23:24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
Mat 23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Mat 23:26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
Mat 23:27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

Let's get out the measuring tape and see who is really an Apostolic

So is it being judgemental when you call me judgemental?

Praxeas..are you Oneness Apostolic?

[pelathais]

So.. when I say she cannot wear it to her shins, and her ankles must be covered then what do you say? You still would think boys can wear sissy-fied shorts. Apostolic Men don't wear shorts.
What's sissified about this?

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200604/r82884_241403.jpg http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/start-world-war-2-25.jpg

http://www.nga.gov.au/federation/Medium/25843.jpg

[StMark]

You do realize your on an Apostolic Forum. You are Apostolic?



Prax, and you wonder why they call this a charismatic forum???

[Praxeas]

Prax, don't try to compare an ancient hebrew culture to today's
western society. They wore different types of robes then. it was
for that time. If men walked around in robes today they'd be
looked at as crazy
they girded up their Loins which means they lifted their robes up so you can see their hairy legs...where did they get condemned for worldliness?

[Praxeas]

well it sure doesn't look Pentecostal
Look Pentecostal? What looks Pentecostal? A man in a suit and tie?

[Tim Rutledge]

Wear you shorts all day for all I care. Just don't say your Apostolic.

[Praxeas]

Are you using scriptures to hurl names at other posters?
Im using scripture to show how petty we've become that a man wears pants to his shins is not Apostolic yet a woman who wears a skirt to her shins is...that is lunacy

[hometown guy]

and? He also said "if you're married you should wear a wedding band"

This is really beside the point but if you want to put that out there he also was against TV, video, and women cutting her hair.

[Praxeas]

Prax, and you wonder why they call this a charismatic forum???
No I don't wonder. I've been dealing with this kind of mindset even since FCF

[Praxeas]

This is really beside the point but if you want to put that out there he also was against TV, video, and women cutting her hair.
no it's not really. What was your point in quoting Pastor Fields? Oh...and guess what, he was not against video. You raised the issue, not me.

[Tim Rutledge]

Prax?? Do you consider yourself Oneness Apostolic?!?

[StMark]

No I don't wonder. I've been dealing with this kind of mindset even since FCF

you've become a WHOLE LOT more liberal then when
you first started posting back then - I hope you're not
going liberal

[Praxeas]

Wear you shorts all day for all I care. Just don't say your Apostolic.
What are you going to do about it Tim? I'd say for your narrow minded judgementalism YOU are not Apostolic.

I wear shorts down below my knees and Yes Tim I am Apostolic. You don't want to be around us heathens who wear shorts? Go try GNC.

[Praxeas]

you've become a WHOLE LOT more liberal then when
you first started posting back then - I hope you're not
going liberal

No I have not. I have never thought someone was NOT Apostolic for wearing shorts to their shins

[pelathais]

You do realize your on an Apostolic Forum. You are Apostolic?
Prax is Apostolic.

You have seen pictures of the founders of the Apostolic Faith movement, haven't you? They looked nothing like you. You have read descriptions of the 1st century Apostles? They looked nothing like you.

[Tim Rutledge]

you've become a WHOLE LOT more liberal then when
you first started posting back then - I hope you're not
going liberal

Only liberals wear shorts. Or maybe people who just haven't been taught yet.

I'm done. Night.

[Praxeas]

Hey, if you can quibble about the length of a man's pants and declare they are not Apostolic then I can do that with just about anything. That is ridiculous.

[Praxeas]

Only liberals wear shorts. Or maybe people who just haven't been taught yet.

I'm done. Night.
More Phariseeism. you are not Apostolic

[Praxeas]

Prax is Apostolic.

You have seen pictures of the founders of the Apostolic Faith movement, haven't you? They looked nothing like you. You have read descriptions of the 1st century Apostles? They looked nothing like you.
And many were sans the sissy-fied shaved look like Tim has...Oops!

[StMark]

Good Nite & God Bless To The Following Brethren
Bro Tim
home Town Guy
and Sister Coonskinner









.

[pelathais]

Only liberals wear shorts. Or maybe people who just haven't been taught yet.

I'm done. Night.
Spoken like a true - whatever, bro.

But why do you shave your face smooth like a woman's? You know that's a sign of submission to the Pope in Rome don't you? http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02362a.htm

[Praxeas]

Spoken like a true - whatever, bro.

But why do you shave your face smooth like a woman's? You know that's a sign of submission to the Pope in Rome don't you?
Well he was pontificating

[Pastor DTSalaz]

Did you know that when Jesus walked the earth as God Almighty manifest in the flesh he spoke out against the self righteous sect that thought they were holier than thou. The Pharisees (Separatist Group) There was another group than he did not even address because they were so holy they separated themselves from everyone else and hid themselves in their colonies and would not even go to the temple that God said he would place his Name at (dissident priests). The Essenes They became holier than God

By the way where did the Oneness Pentecostals/ Apostolics come from? Most got the Illumination of Jesus Name and the infilling of the Holy Ghost and left their Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, Presbyterian, Assembly of God upbringings and it took a while for them to understand Pentecostal Holiness. Now we just condemn them Instead of befriend them in order that maybe we can witness to them.

We might get contaminated by not knowing enough Word to know we are insulated from the world and not isolated.