Am I being asked to leave?

[Steve Epley]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

[StMark]

This is what I posted on the other thread where you
asked this


That's a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide. Most of them are Xpentecostal,
charismatic or very liberal so I'm not sure where you will come
down on this Bro Epley.

FCF was certainly a miracle or sorts. I use to think that only the
conservatives like CAF only wanted like minded people on their
forum but perhaps the same can be true for an Xpentecostal
site???

[jaxfam6]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

"Am I being asked to leave?"

Bro Steve

I have not always agreed with you and I have not always disagreed with you but I would like to comment on this type of thread. You have the right to believe things as you see them. You have the right to say things you feel. The rest of us do that so why not you? This type of thread though should be beneath you. This comes across as childish and immature and you Sir do not seem to be either. A bit set in your ways and hard headed but not childish and immature. So why would you revert to this type of posting?

No offense is meant by this I am just surprised at it from you of all people.

[Sam]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

Elder Epley,
Please don't leave!!!!
You know what a liberal I am.
You've read (and often disagreed with) my posts on several forums.
I respect you as a man of God, a person who sincerely loves the Lord.
I don't always agree with some of the things you say or even the way you say them, but I consider you a valued contributor to this forum. In my (liberal or maybe ultra-liberal to many) opinion, we all are brothers and sisters on this forum and, as siblings, some times we squabble, get our feelings hurt, get mad, and pout but we're all here together and down inside do love one another. We are each unique and different from one another but we have a common Lord and a common new birth experience. We represent the diversity in the body of Christ.

[StillStanding]

Bro. Epley, You are wanted and needed at AFF! Don't pay attention to the jerks! You have just as much of a right to express your opinion as anyone on here!

[Jermyn Davidson]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.


It doesn't matter what some would think. If you enjoy it here, stay.

I have learned from you and am learning from you. It is people like you that makes discussion boards worth having. If everyone agreed on every thing every day, then there wouldn't be much discussion.

There is a lot that we seem to not agree on, but we have more in common than we have different because we both love Jesus Christ.

Don't change who you are unless you see the need to. Don't go away unless you want to. Stay because you want to.

I think you realize that you are wanted.

[Sherri]

Bro. Epley - please don't leave. You are a balancing voice on this forum and we need you. Although we disagree on lots of things, I respect you for your consistency and convictions.

If you leave, who will keep us from going off the deep end?:tease

[Nahum]

Don't listen to the idiots Brother Epley. They're just revelling in their sin.

[Steve Epley]

"Am I being asked to leave?"

Bro Steve

I have not always agreed with you and I have not always disagreed with you but I would like to comment on this type of thread. You have the right to believe things as you see them. You have the right to say things you feel. The rest of us do that so why not you? This type of thread though should be beneath you. This comes across as childish and immature and you Sir do not seem to be either. A bit set in your ways and hard headed but not childish and immature. So why would you revert to this type of posting?

No offense is meant by this I am just surprised at it from you of all people.

Rico suggested we leave and suggested other forums. I just wanted to know if the adms feels this way this is NOT a pity thread but an honest question?
I have enjoyed and endured discussions since FCF I have met some nice folks from here I would never agree with we have met and lunched. Adino who is 180 degrees from me doctrinally came to hear me. But I am wondering if he is not just saying the heart of the others that is the reason for this post. No other. I count Rico a friend so I am not attacking him we have fussed for years.

[MissBrattified]

I wish you would NOT leave. I already miss most of the conservative posters who used to post here, and we don't need to lose anymore. As it is, the forum is imbalanced, IMO.

[Barb]

I wish you would NOT leave. I already miss most of the conservative posters who used to post here, and we don't need to lose anymore. As it is, the forum is imbalanced, IMO.

Absolutely...no reason for anyone to leave unless they feel it is time...

[StMark]

I wish you would NOT leave. I already miss most of the conservative posters who used to post here, and we don't need to lose anymore. As it is, the forum is imbalanced, IMO.



The reason why Bro Epley posted that is because he and other
Conservatives do not feel welcome on AFF and feel out of place.
many remarks over time have made him and others feel that way.

[steve p]

Geesh....whats gona happen if both libs and cons get into heaven?????? Hey I say STAY! So what if I disagree with you??? That doesnt change that your a child of God and my brother! And, I really like your hat!
Blessings Bro. Epley!!!!

[jaxfam6]

Rico suggested we leave and suggested other forums. I just wanted to know if the adms feels this way this is NOT a pity thread but an honest question?
I have enjoyed and endured discussions since FCF I have met some nice folks from here I would never agree with we have met and lunched. Adino who is 180 degrees from me doctrinally came to hear me. But I am wondering if he is not just saying the heart of the others that is the reason for this post. No other. I count Rico a friend so I am not attacking him we have fussed for years.

:snapout

You are better than this. If Admin wanted you to leave don't you think they would have just shut you out? or told you. Who cares what one or 30 might say? Do they make your world rotate? Don't think so. Rise above them and their childishness. I will probably always feel you believe it more strongly than is necessary but that is your right. As long as you can still be my friend and accept me as I am we will never have a problem. We can agree to disagree. I enjoy reading most of your posts and feel a bit disappointed that you lowered yourself to their level. Now be like the mythical Phoenix and rise from these ashes and stir some trouble.
:evilglee:evilglee

[jaxfam6]

Geesh....whats gona happen if both libs and cons get into heaven?????? Hey I say STAY! So what if I disagree with you??? That doesnt change that your a child of God and my brother! And, I really like your hat!
Blessings Bro. Epley!!!!

AMEN

[Nahum]

Bro, if anyone needs to leave it's Rico - not you. He dominates the board with acerbic posts. Daniel looks like Mother Theresa compared to Rico.

[StMark]

:snapout

You are better than this. If Admin wanted you to leave don't you think they would have just shut you out? or told you. Who cares what one or 30 might say? Do they make your world rotate? Don't think so. Rise above them and their childishness. I will probably always feel you believe it more strongly than is necessary but that is your right. As long as you can still be my friend and accept me as I am we will never have a problem. We can agree to disagree. I enjoy reading most of your posts and feel a bit disappointed that you lowered yourself to their level. Now be like the mythical Phoenix and rise from these ashes and stir some trouble.
:evilglee:evilglee


One doesn't have to come outright and say "Leave Now" to
feel they are no longer welcome. It's a vibe you feel. Have you
ever went to someone's house and just FELT like it was time to
go?? The OWNERS didn't say it outright but you could feel the
vibe that they wanted you to leave now.

Bro EPley, If you are no longer feeling welcome here, I would
go ahead and leave if I was you

[Steve Epley]

The reason why Bro Epley posted that is because he and other
Conservatives do not feel welcome on AFF and feel out of place.
many remarks over time have made him and others feel that way.

I have been asked by some who have left and others who would never join why I 'waste' my time over here. It is simple when my wife had her near fatal auto accident I wound up nearly home bound for a season a friend told me about FCF and then JY invited me to join. Thoise discussion were out the ceiling with brilliant though diverse minds. We fussed over everything. I came on very pointed(some was for shock I admit) but we had fun. Since the changing many who were posters from both sides no longer or very seldom post. But some of us have fussed for years now until we are all very predictable. But honestly I like those folks on here and have prayed for them. I have lunched with CC1 & Pianoman they are gentlemen and I personally like them. We agree on very little. Adino who I tease as being a Lutheran(although I am afraid it might be more truth than error) came to hear me in MI. I nearly had my head taken off for eating with AB who I worry about. Then those I have not met personally I also enjoy the fuss. However if I have become to obsolete for the forum I will leave relutantly but I will comply.

[MissBrattified]

One doesn't have to come outright and say "Leave Now" to
feel they are no longer welcome. It's a vibe you feel. Have you
ever went to someone's house and just FELT like it was time to
go?? The OWNERS didn't say it outright but you could feel the
vibe that they wanted you to leave now.

Bro EPley, If you are no longer feeling welcome here, I would
go ahead and leave if I was you

What's wrong with you???? :club Don't encourage him to leave!!!!!

Of course he's welcome here.


Good grief. You're so dramatic sometimes. :snapout

[Jermyn Davidson]

I find that when one starts to making decisions based on feelings, more bad than good comes from those decisions.

Bro Epley, please stay.

[1Corinth2v4]

Bro. Epley,

Ichabod is stamped on the post door of this forum. :D

[Timmy]

I doubt anyone wants you to leave, and if it matters, I sure don't! I welcomed you back, after your break, and I meant it. You and I agree on somewhere near 0 things ;), but who cares? I enjoy the discussions, and I hope you do too.

If anyone does want you to go, I fear for their souls.

J/K! :lol

[StMark]

I have been asked by some who have left and others who would never join why I 'waste' my time over here. It is simple when my wife had her near fatal auto accident I wound up nearly home bound for a season a friend told me about FCF and then JY invited me to join. Thoise discussion were out the ceiling with brilliant though diverse minds. We fussed over everything. I came on very pointed(some was for shock I admit) but we had fun. Since the changing many who were posters from both sides no longer or very seldom post. But some of us have fussed for years now until we are all very predictable. But honestly I like those folks on here and have prayed for them. I have lunched with CC1 & Pianoman they are gentlemen and I personally like them. We agree on very little. Adino who I tease as being a Lutheran(although I am afraid it might be more truth than error) came to hear me in MI. I nearly had my head taken off for eating with AB who I worry about. Then those I have not met personally I also enjoy the fuss. However if I have become to obsolete for the forum I will leave relutantly but I will comply.

What I highlighted in Red is something this crew just doesn't get.
I think we were all fresh to the forums back then but as new as it
was, the opposing sides seemds to gel together better this this set.
I don't know exactly why that is but many have pointed out that
it's a respect factor.

[jaxfam6]

Bro. Epley,

Ichabod is stamped on the post door of this forum. :D

Then why do you stay? If you believe that you should go elsewhere. Why would one so holy want to stay where God has departed?
Or has God stamped Ichabod on your forehead also for fellowshipping us lowly sinners?

[chosenbyone]

I have been asked by some who have left and others who would never join why I 'waste' my time over here. It is simple when my wife had her near fatal auto accident I wound up nearly home bound for a season a friend told me about FCF and then JY invited me to join. Thoise discussion were out the ceiling with brilliant though diverse minds. We fussed over everything. I came on very pointed(some was for shock I admit) but we had fun. Since the changing many who were posters from both sides no longer or very seldom post. But some of us have fussed for years now until we are all very predictable. But honestly I like those folks on here and have prayed for them. I have lunched with CC1 & Pianoman they are gentlemen and I personally like them. We agree on very little. Adino who I tease as being a Lutheran(although I am afraid it might be more truth than error) came to hear me in MI. I nearly had my head taken off for eating with AB who I worry about. Then those I have not met personally I also enjoy the fuss. However if I have become to obsolete for the forum I will leave relutantly but I will comply.

This place wouldn't be the same without you. Don't let Rico or anyone else tell you any different!

[1Corinth2v4]

Then why do you stay?

The spirit of God must be present through someone, why not me? :D

[MissBrattified]

The spirit of God must be present through someone, why not me? :D

Spoken like a true prophet. :preach

[jaxfam6]

The spirit of God must be present through someone, why not me? :D

NOW THAT IS A GOOD LAUGH
Thanks for giving me some humor to start my day

[1Corinth2v4]

Spoken like a true prophet. :preach

:D

[MissBrattified]

Someone doesn't know how to keep a secret! :D

:oops

[Ron]

Elder, please don't leave, I personally enjoy reading your posts & there are far to few elders that we can learn from these days.

If you leave this board will lose something "irreplaceable!"

[Steve Epley]

I will say this Newman and myself fussed over nearly every standard issue she has a brilliant mind(though wrong on all those issues:tease) Mapel Leaf and others fussed over the PCI and NT new birth they were wonderful discussions. The prophecy threads with Blume-Parson-Chalfant were classics. Ferd and myself and other fussed with those Branhamites. We discussed 'spiritual communion' with the ABC officials and JY roared with laughter. Some very scholarly cons posted on for a long season. Most are gone yet I have remained though sometimes not as regularly as some. We have fussed about "Yahweh' the sabbath' house churches'elders' divorce & remarriage' standard issues' other Pentecostal fads. It has been fun for the most part.

[Pressing-On]

Lord, I just can't stand all of this. :tissue

I hate it!!!!!!!!!

:tissue

[StMark]

I will say this Newman and myself fussed over nearly every standard issue she has a brilliant mind(though wrong on all those issues:tease) Mapel Leaf and others fussed over the PCI and NT new birth they were wonderful discussions. The prophecy threads with Blume-Parson-Chalfant were classics. Ferd and myself and other fussed with those Branhamites. We discussed 'spiritual communion' with the ABC officials and JY roared with laughter. Some very scholarly cons posted on for a long season. Most are gone yet I have remained though sometimes not as regularly as some. We have fussed about "Yahweh' the sabbath' house churches'elders' divorce & remarriage' standard issues' other Pentecostal fads. It has been fun for the most part.


No mention of Thad's Tab on FCF ??? 43,000 post before it was shut down :ursofunny


.

[TalkLady]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

Bro. Epley, you provide balance on this forum and you remind me of many of my in-laws that I don't get to see much anymore.

Don't even think of leaving. :snapout

[Steve Epley]

No mention of Thad's Tab on FCF ??? 43,000 post before it was shut down :ursofunny


.

Thad's Tab was funny and interesting to say the least. It was provoking.:whistle

[1Corinth2v4]

Bro. Epley,


Will you be voting for Obama?

[Mrs. LPW]

SE, please stay. We need balance here.

[Cindy]

Elder Epley, I know how you feel. But I believe the majority here love your posting as do I. You may seem strict to some, but I believe you have a heart for God and you add a lot to this forum. Please stay. :)

[Cindy]

Bro. Epley,


Will you be voting for Obama?

:ursofunny

Why would anyone vote for someone who's mascot is a donkey? :tease

[StMark]

WEll, it looks like we are going to lose another Great
poster here, one of the pioneer members from the past.

Thanks to those who don't appreciate a good balance
as we use to have

[1Corinth2v4]

:ursofunny

Why would anyone vote for someone who's mascot is a donkey? :tease

:hurtyou:muwahaha

[Sister Alvear]

Elder please do not leave we need your voice here...we think highly of you.

[Apocrypha]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

I knew Jim Yohe personally. We split a room at the AWCF conferences some years ago, his son Josh was my roommate at IBC, I visited his home in Independence, LA multiple times ... seriously.. Jim was a UPC liberal and even if he was a bit stealthy about it.. he was a hard core liberal. I traveled around Indiana with him at times while at IBC and spent time talking to him, sharing White Castle burgers, and just learning from a evangelist.

Theres room for ultra-cons like you, there may be disagreement from other points of view, but you guys shouldn't fold up like lawn chairs everytime you get some push back from those that don't see it your way. As someone to the left of you, you should really toughen up and not threaten to quit, ban, or purge those of different mind. Its not like they ban folks here for being one way or the other like the weaker hearted forums where they can't imagine anyone would actually have a cogent arguement one way or the other outside of the "old paths".

[1Corinth2v4]

Elder please do not leave we need your voice here...we think highly of you.

Hello Sister Alvear :club









































:tease

[Mrs. LPW]

:hurtyou:muwahaha

Heee haawwwwww

[StMark]

I knew Jim Yohe personally. We split a room at the AWCF conferences some years ago, his son Josh was my roommate at IBC, I visited his home in Independence, LA multiple times ... seriously.. Jim was a UPC liberal and even if he was a bit stealthy about it.. he was a hard core liberal. I traveled around Indiana with him at times while at IBC and spent time talking to him, sharing White Castle burgers, and just learning from a evangelist.

Theres room for ultra-cons like you, there may be disagreement from other points of view, but you guys shouldn't fold up like lawn chairs everytime you get some push back from those that don't see it your way. As someone to the left of you, you should really toughen up and not threaten to quit, ban, or purge those of different mind. Its not like they ban folks here for being one way or the other like the weaker hearted forums where they can't imagine anyone would actually have a cogent arguement one way or the other outside of the "old paths".

Bro Epley needs to toughen up ?? He has never shown himself
to be afraid of a debate or of other posters.

what he was referring to is the OWNERS and ADMIN.
he has that respect for the leaders of the forum.

[Cindy]

:hurtyou:muwahaha

HA! Tougher men than you have tried!!!!!!!:snapout

[He's My Friend]

Bro Epley has a great reputation, and is greatly appreciated.

He and our family have alot in common, (although he prob does not know that).

When my son reads AFF with me, he very much respects the Elder, and he is Bro Epley's personal amen corner.

IMHO he should only go if he wants to, or if God wants him to move on.


BTW: It is not childish or beneath Bro Epley to ask this question...he is just being respectful of the Admin desires.

[Adino]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.Asked to leave? By no means, Bro. I haven't read any comments or requests you might be referring to, but please take it all with a grain of salt. Especially if its coming from Rico the Socialist ;)

Stay, Steve.

[Glenda B]

The reason why Bro Epley posted that is because he and other
Conservatives do not feel welcome on AFF and feel out of place.
many remarks over time have made him and others feel that way.


I've felt unwelcome from the very start, I'm conservative and have stated that from the beginning.

I don't enjoy Inane Babblings when it comes to salvation through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and what it takes to be saved and the Doctrine in which we live by, and there is to much of that going on on this forum Sometimes I feel as though it is dangerous, and I should avoid coming here altogether. Just my opinion.

And no Bro. E, I think you need to stay.

[Adino]

Steve, remember the good ole' days when "I" was the lone 'liberal' theologian?

[StMark]

Steve, remember the good ole' days when "I" was the lone 'liberal' theologian?

I had no Idea that you have become a Luthern??????

[He's My Friend]

I've felt unwelcome from the very start, I'm conservative and have stated that from the beginning.

I don't enjoy Inane Babblings when it comes to salvation through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and what it takes to be saved and the Doctrine in which we live by, and there is to much of that going on on this forum Sometimes I feel as though it is dangerous, and I should avoid coming here altogether. Just my opinion.

And no Bro. E, I think you need to stay.

I will have to add Amen to your thoughts.

Some will ask,"then why come back"...because we can.

I return to keep up with a few friends, and I do enjoy reading posts by Sis Falla, Bro Epley, PO, Sis Alvear, St Matthew, and St Mark.

[Tina]

Speaking as an owner of this forum, I do NOT want you to leave Bro Epley. You are very much welcome here.

I'm tired of seeing/hearing of posts where members are telling others that they should go find another forum. Just consider the source, and let it go. People have a right to make up their own minds whether they choose to post here or not.

The owners and admins of this forum are NOT telling anyone to leave.

[CC1]

I think the idea of Elder Epley leaving is plain silly. I am not going to repeat for the bazillionth time my thoughts on the subject of diverse opinions on the forum but it is well known that I desire a forum with members representing the wide sprectrum of Oneness Pentecostal thought (except those in outright delusion like Branhamites or serpent seed doctrine folks).

For anybody to suggest Elder Epley leave I would suggest to them they most likely are not worthy of tying his shoe laces.

Ultra conservative voices have always been welcome as long as they were not voices of hate and personal attacks.

There have always been a few jerks of various viewpoints I wish would leave on their own and stay gone but they never seem to do so under their own power!!

Folks like people who self rightously proclaim that God has left the forum, etc but continue to post themselves the instant they serve out their latest ban from unchristian like posting.

St. Mark is just up to his usual mischief of stirring the pot and trying to provoke people to leave or say and do things he wants them to do.

[Tina]

I think the idea of Elder Epley leaving is plain silly. I am not going to repeat for the bazillionth time my thoughts on the subject of diverse opinions on the forum but it is well known that I desire a forum with members representing the wide sprectrum of Oneness Pentecostal thought (except those in outright delusion like Branhamites or serpent seed doctrine folks).

For anyboyd to suggest Elder Epley leave I would suggest to them they most likely are not worthy of tying his shoe laces.

Ultra conservative voices have aleays been welcome as long as they were not voices of hate and personal attacks.

There have always been a few jerks of various viewpoints I wish would leave on their own and stay gone but they neve seem to do so under their own power!!

Folks like people who self rightously proclaim that God has left the forum, etc but continue to post themselves the instant they serve out their latest ban from unchristian like posting.

St. Mark is just up to his usual mischief of stirring the pot and trying to provoke people to leave or say and do things he wants them to do.

Can I say AMEN??!!

[StMark]

I think the idea of Elder Epley leaving is plain silly. I am not going to repeat for the bazillionth time my thoughts on the subject of diverse opinions on the forum but it is well known that I desire a forum with members representing the wide sprectrum of Oneness Pentecostal thought (except those in outright delusion like Branhamites or serpent seed doctrine folks).

For anyboyd to suggest Elder Epley leave I would suggest to them they most likely are not worthy of tying his shoe laces.

Ultra conservative voices have aleays been welcome as long as they were not voices of hate and personal attacks.

There have always been a few jerks of various viewpoints I wish would leave on their own and stay gone but they neve seem to do so under their own power!!

Folks like people who self rightously proclaim that God has left the forum, etc but continue to post themselves the instant they serve out their latest ban from unchristian like posting.

St. Mark is just up to his usual mischief of stirring the pot and trying to provoke people to leave or say and do things he wants them to do.

UH??? Who do I want to stay or leave? and what are
the things I want others to do ?

I certainly Don't want Epley to leave but their has got
to be some reasons that he feels this way besides posters
that have tried to run him off. could it be that he is being
persecuted by forces from the outside ??????????????????

[Adino]

I had no Idea that you have become a Luthern??????No worries. I am not a Lutheran. You can't believe everything our Catholic friend, Steve, says.

[CC1]

I think Elder Epley's connections to those outside his paradigm from this forum and its predecessors have hurt him in real life.

Some silly people not mature enough to understand that having lunch with a lib or your picture taken with one doesn't mean you are compromising your beliefs can create trouble.

For that reason and that reason alone I would not have blamed him for leaving AFF. I think it is to his credit he had not let that kind of outside ridicule or criticism determine his course of action like some other ultra cons have.

[Hoovie]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

Hey Rev. Devito, If there have been any talks that you should leave I am not privy to them.

I enjoy you and your posts. You can dish it out, and likewise you can take the heat... that's all good as far as I am concerned.

[Hoovie]

This is what I posted on the other thread where you
asked this


That's a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide. Most of them are Xpentecostal,
charismatic or very liberal so I'm not sure where you will come
down on this Bro Epley.

FCF was certainly a miracle or sorts. I use to think that only the
conservatives like CAF only wanted like minded people on their
forum but perhaps the same can be true for an Xpentecostal
site???

Mark you are wrong. Both the polls and athe posts confirm it.

[Hoovie]

I think the idea of Elder Epley leaving is plain silly. I am not going to repeat for the bazillionth time my thoughts on the subject of diverse opinions on the forum but it is well known that I desire a forum with members representing the wide sprectrum of Oneness Pentecostal thought (except those in outright delusion like Branhamites or serpent seed doctrine folks).

For anyboyd to suggest Elder Epley leave I would suggest to them they most likely are not worthy of tying his shoe laces.

Ultra conservative voices have always been welcome as long as they were not voices of hate and personal attacks.

There have always been a few jerks of various viewpoints I wish would leave on their own and stay gone but they never seem to do so under their own power!!

Folks like people who self rightously proclaim that God has left the forum, etc but continue to post themselves the instant they serve out their latest ban from unchristian like posting.

St. Mark is just up to his usual mischief of stirring the pot and trying to provoke people to leave or say and do things he wants them to do.

Amen. This post deserves being repeated.

[StMark]

I think Elder Epley's connections to those outside his paradigm from this forum and its predecessors have hurt him in real life.

Some silly people not mature enough to understand that having lunch with a lib or your picture taken with one doesn't mean you are compromising your beliefs can create trouble.

For that reason and that reason alone I would not have blamed him for leaving AFF. I think it is to his credit he had not let that kind of outside ridicule or criticism determine his course of action like some other ultra cons have.


Awww so i did have a point afterall ????

who are some of the other cons who left because of outside
pressures??? If they're gone no need to cover it up any longer

[Ron]

Mark you are wrong. Both the polls and athe posts confirm it.

I would have to respectfully disagree with this.
The polls may say this but the posts don't always reflect this.

True, it isn't everyone but a vocal minority do.

[Hoovie]

I would have to respectfully disagree with this.
The polls may say this but the posts don't always reflect this.

True, it isn't everyone but a vocal minority do.

No this site is NOT Xpentecostal, nor are most here EX-Pentecostal.

The overwhelming majority here consider themselves Oneness Pentecostal from Ultra Con to Liberal.

In fact I feel we have a rather low tolerance of Ex-Pentecostals here.

[OnTheFritz]

I disagree with many, many things you say, Bro. Epley, but I certainly hope you stay. I enjoy your perspective.

Plus, we'd never hear the end of it from St. "the-sky-is-falling" Mark. :lol

[The Mrs]

Speaking as an Owner/Admin for AFF...

Bro. Epley, I would be deeply disappointed if you were to leave. :sad

We all have come to love you and respect you greatly.

Your talents are not wasted here. Your balance is much needed with all the roaring of anti-this and anti-that. (Which is ridiculous to me!) The FORUM doesn't make the people...the PEOPLE make the forum. YOU make it what it is. YOUR voice counts!



As for StMark, your rallying efforts informing Bro. Epley he's not wanted here are NOT appreciated, and honestly, are down-right aggravating! KNOCK IT OFF! :smack

[rrford]

Interesting thread. :whistle

[StMark]

Mark you are wrong. Both the polls and athe posts confirm it.


What poll and what did I say that was wrong?


I said that This is a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide

[The Mrs]

What poll and what did I say that was wrong?


I said that This is a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide

How in the world did the Admins/Owners even get brought up in this silly discussion??? :huh

You all should KNOW we would NEVER ask Bro. Epley to leave, nor even WANT him to! :friend

[StMark]

How in the world did the Admins/Owners even get brought up in this silly discussion??? :huh

You all should KNOW we would NEVER ask Bro. Epley to leave, nor even WANT him to! :friend




HELLO Earth to the Mrs!!! Read Epley's post that's what
HE SAID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[Baron1710]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

Don't let the door hit on the way out.:bliss:bliss

Just thought I would let you hear your own counsel, when someone else asked a similiar question.

[StMark]

Rico suggested we leave and suggested other forums. I just wanted to know if the adms feels this way this is NOT a pity thread but an honest question?
I have enjoyed and endured discussions since FCF I have met some nice folks from here I would never agree with we have met and lunched. Adino who is 180 degrees from me doctrinally came to hear me. But I am wondering if he is not just saying the heart of the others that is the reason for this post. No other. I count Rico a friend so I am not attacking him we have fussed for years.


MRS, this above is what EPLEY said Not ME. you understand now?

as i stated in other post there is a reason he thought this it's
up to you to say otherwise

Why am I always the one that gets accused of taking things out
of context when it's being done to me over and over again?????? :club

[Hoovie]

What poll and what did I say that was wrong?


I said that This is a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide

You are wrong about most Admins being Xers. and wrong about this being an EX-Pentecostal site. There have been many polls that show this is a Oneness Pentecostal site. Nearly all who post here baptize in Jesus Name and believe in speaking in tongues. That includes 100% of the Admins (to my knowledge).

Here was your comments...

That's a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide. Most of them are Xpentecostal,
charismatic or very liberal so I'm not sure where you will come
down on this Bro Epley.

FCF was certainly a miracle or sorts. I use to think that only the
conservatives like CAF only wanted like minded people on their
forum but perhaps the same can be true for an Xpentecostal
site???

[The Mrs]

MRS, this above is what EPLEY said Not ME. you understand now?

as i stated in other post there is a reason he thought this it's
up to you to say otherwise

Why am I always the one that gets accused of taking things out
of context when it's being done to me over and over again?????? :club

LOL! You LOVE drama, but can't handle it when it's directed at YOU!!! :laffatu

I KNOW Bro. Epley was the one who stated that in his opening post...I wasn't accusing YOU of starting that.

I was just asking WHY he thought the Admins wouldn't want him here??? :huh

He should KNOW by now that we all love him to pieces! :friend

[StMark]

LOL! You LOVE drama, but can't handle it when it's directed at YOU!!! :laffatu

I KNOW Bro. Epley was the one who stated that in his opening post...I wasn't accusing YOU of starting that.

I was just asking WHY he thought the Admins wouldn't want him here??? :huh

He should KNOW by now that we all love him to pieces! :friend


YOU,MRS, asked me the following Question in YOUR last post:

"How in the world did the Admins/Owners even get brought up in this silly discussion"???

Then you turn around in the above post that YOU KNEW that Bro
Epley was the one who said and then turned around and accused
me of wanting to create drama

[StMark]

You are wrong about most Admins being Xers. and wrong about this being an EX-Pentecostal site. There have been many polls that show this is a Oneness Pentecostal site. Nearly all who post here baptize in Jesus Name and believe in speaking in tongues.

Here was your comments...

That's a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide. Most of them are Xpentecostal,
charismatic or very liberal so I'm not sure where you will come
down on this Bro Epley.

FCF was certainly a miracle or sorts. I use to think that only the
conservatives like CAF only wanted like minded people on their
forum but perhaps the same can be true for an Xpentecostal
site???


I was talking to Bro Epley. This is what he understands and
agrees with that the ones I mentioned are no longer Pentecostal.
now, you can argue you the technical terms of it but that is what
is viewed by those still in the traditional church - I can't help
that but it's true anyways

[stmatthew]

You are wrong about most Admins being Xers. and wrong about this being an EX-Pentecostal site. There have been many polls that show this is a Oneness Pentecostal site. Nearly all who post here baptize in Jesus Name and believe in speaking in tongues. That includes 100% of the Admins (to my knowledge).

Here was your comments...

That's a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide. Most of them are Xpentecostal,
charismatic or very liberal so I'm not sure where you will come
down on this Bro Epley.

FCF was certainly a miracle or sorts. I use to think that only the
conservatives like CAF only wanted like minded people on their
forum but perhaps the same can be true for an Xpentecostal
site???

You probably need to go back and read StMarks post again. He did not say that most were xpentecostals. He said that they were xpentecostal, OR charismatic, OR very liberal.

[Hoovie]

I was talking to Bro Epley. This is what he understands and
agrees with that the ones I mentioned are no longer Pentecostal.
now, you can argue you the technical terms of it but that is what
is viewed by those still in the traditional church - I can't help
that but it's true anyways

You have the right to say it, even without any evidence at all... BUT it is inflamatory and statements like that do little to foster civility in discussion.

By the standard bro French used to write his thesis, "Our God Is One" ALL of the Admins, you AND Bro Epley are Oneness Pentecostals.

To say only those exactly like me are true Christians is immature IMHO.

[Hoovie]

You probably need to go back and read StMarks post again. He did not say that most were xpentecostals. He said that they were xpentecostal, OR charismatic, OR very liberal.

I would also take exception there. But those words are open to private interpretation, it seems.

Also, read my last post please.

[The Mrs]

YOU,MRS, asked me the following Question in YOUR last post:

"How in the world did the Admins/Owners even get brought up in this silly discussion"???

Then you turn around in the above post that YOU KNEW that Bro
Epley was the one who said and then turned around and accused
me of wanting to create drama

I QUOTED you...I didn't ASK you, and I didn't accuse you. :tease

And you most certainly DID create drama on this thread with your many posts of 'poor Bro. Epley is leaving, nobody wants him, everybody hates him, the forum isn't Apostolic enough' :bigbaby ... *sigh*

[Barb]

You have the right to say it, even without any evidence at all... BUT it is inflamatory and statements like that do little to foster civility in discussion.

By the standard bro French used to write his thesis, "Our God Is One" ALL of the Admins, you AND Bro Epley are Oneness Pentecostals.

To say only those exactly like me are true Christians is immature IMHO.

Amen!!

[StMark]

You probably need to go back and read StMarks post again. He did not say that most were xpentecostals. He said that they were xpentecostal, OR charismatic, OR very liberal.

Thank you Matt - The thing I get accused of is the very thing
that many folks here accuse me of. that is, taking things out
of context, not reading or writing as they are, mistating things,
etc. yet i get this done to me constantly

[StillStanding]

Thank you Matt - The thing I get accused of is the very thing
that many folks here accuse me of. that is, taking things out
of context, not reading or writing as they are, mistating things,
etc. yet i get this done to me constantly
Someone call the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance! :)

[stmatthew]

You have the right to say it, even without any evidence at all... BUT it is inflamatory and statements like that do little to foster civility in discussion.

By the standard bro French used to write his thesis, "Our God Is One" ALL of the Admins, you AND Bro Epley are Oneness Pentecostals.

To say only those exactly like me are true Christians is immature IMHO.

I would also, take exception there. But those words are open to private interpretation, it seems.

Also, read my last post please.

I won't get into it any more. I was just pointing out that Mark did not just say that everyone here was xpentecostal. His statement was a little more broad than that. He said xpentecostal, charismatic, or very liberal.

[StMark]

You have the right to say it, even without any evidence at all... BUT it is inflamatory and statements like that do little to foster civility in discussion.

By the standard bro French used to write his thesis, "Our God Is One" ALL of the Admins, you AND Bro Epley are Oneness Pentecostals.

To say only those exactly like me are true Christians is immature IMHO.

Hoover, I'm just stating what is. I am sorry if you and others
don't like it but I have been around traditional Apostolics all
of my life. I know the thinking Steve. Epley himself has been
very blunt about this very thing remember FCF????? was it
inflamatory or part of the discussion??

[StMark]

I won't get into it any more. I was just pointing out that Mark did not just say that everyone here was xpentecostal. His statement was a little more broad than that. He said xpentecostal, charismatic, or very liberal.



Thanks Matt

I WANT you to continue to get in to this debate- don't leave


what do you think about Epley's thread here?

[Hoovie]

Hoover, I'm just stating what is. I am sorry if you and others
don't like it but I have been around traditional Apostolics all
of my life. I know the thinking Steve. Epley himself has been
very blunt about this very thing remember FCF????? was it
inflamatory or part of the discussion??

It's OK Mark, carry on.

As a matter of definitions though, we are all (with very few member exceptions) Oneness Pentecostal. We are not all "traditional Apostolic" or even UPC...

Peace

[Jekyll]

I think the idea of Elder Epley leaving is plain silly. I am not going to repeat for the bazillionth time my thoughts on the subject of diverse opinions on the forum but it is well known that I desire a forum with members representing the wide sprectrum of Oneness Pentecostal thought (except those in outright delusion like Branhamites or serpent seed doctrine folks).

For anybody to suggest Elder Epley leave I would suggest to them they most likely are not worthy of tying his shoe laces.

Ultra conservative voices have always been welcome as long as they were not voices of hate and personal attacks.

There have always been a few jerks of various viewpoints I wish would leave on their own and stay gone but they never seem to do so under their own power!!

Folks like people who self rightously proclaim that God has left the forum, etc but continue to post themselves the instant they serve out their latest ban from unchristian like posting.

St. Mark is just up to his usual mischief of stirring the pot and trying to provoke people to leave or say and do things he wants them to do.
Please start a thread...


Who are these people, seriously?

[StMark]

I QUOTED you...I didn't ASK you, and I didn't accuse you. :tease

And you most certainly DID create drama on this thread with your many posts of 'poor Bro. Epley is leaving, nobody wants him, everybody hates him, the forum isn't Apostolic enough' :bigbaby ... *sigh*



I have NEVER seen you back down and admit ANYTHING
even when cornered with the evidence. instead you just
hurl the same ole accusations.

Whether I'm saying it's true or not, I KNOW that many Cons
have left becase of 3 reasons not saying I agree with it but
sorry it's the facts:
1.
They no longer feel wanted on AFF because it's overwhelming
Liberal/Charismatic
2.Outside pressures not to publically associate with such people
that mock Pentecostals
3. They feel that there many here are out to destroy the church

[Hoovie]

I won't get into it any more. I was just pointing out that Mark did not just say that everyone here was xpentecostal. His statement was a little more broad than that. He said xpentecostal, charismatic, or very liberal.

Duly noted.

Peace

[The Mrs]

I have NEVER seen you back down and admit ANYTHING
even when cornered with the evidence. instead you just
hurl the same ole accusations.

Whether I'm saying it's true or not, I KNOW that many Cons
have left becase of 3 reasons not saying I agree with it but
sorry it's the facts:
1.
They no longer feel wanted on AFF because it's overwhelming
Liberal/Charismatic
2.Outside pressures not to publically associate with such people
that mock Pentecostals
3. They feel that there many here are out to destroy the church


YAY!!! :yahoo Even MORE drama!!! :bliss

[StMark]

YAY!!! :yahoo Even MORE drama!!! :bliss



NOPE It's the absolutle truth but YOU and OTHERS
don't want to face reality about it

I am right about it and I wont back down from it
because it's the truth period

[stmatthew]

Thanks Matt

I WANT you to continue to get in to this debate- don't leave


what do you think about Epley's thread here?

I think Bro Epley is a wise man, and is very solid in what he believes. I simply see his question as him being a gentlemen, and not continuing to post where he is not welcome. I highly doubt that Rico's statement is a representative of Admin's wishes in any shape or forum (:D).

I think that as the forum continues to be a place more liberal posters come and post, that conservatives will have less and less of a desire to continue to post here. Not slamming AFF. That is just the way it is. There is a time of fighting for doctrine you believe to be right. But eventually the fight is not worth the unending battle on these issues (that coupled with what some feel is disrespect towards doctrine that most consider apostolic). MOST folks are not going to change key doctrines they hold because of a discussion board. So it becomes a fruitless project.

[StMark]

I think Bro Epley is a wise man, and is very solid in what he believes. I simply see his question as him being a gentlemen, and not continuing to post where he is not welcome. I highly doubt that Rico's statement is a representative of Admin's wishes in any shape or forum (:D).

I think that as the forum continues to be a place more liberal posters come and post, that conservatives will have less and less of a desire to continue to post here. Not slamming AFF. That is just the way it is. There is a time of fighting for doctrine you believe to be right. But eventually the fight is not worth the unending battle on these issues (that coupled with what some feel is disrespect towards doctrine that most consider apostolic). MOST folks are not going to change key doctrines they hold because of a discussion board. So it becomes a fruitless project.

Thank you Matt- I said the same thing just put differently
Yet I get accused of just trying to cause trouble.
Matt, tell me this, WHY is that some here obviously do not
want to accept what you just stated?????????????????????

[Sister Alvear]

Forums where everybody is just alike to me are very boring. I like different opinions as long as they are worded with respect.
I try to see other points of veiw...I try to see where people are coming from. Some posters have been hurt thus their posts often are bitter and they don´t even mean it like it sounds...
Sometimes we tend to take things too personal and thus hurl hard words at others defending ourselves. Sometimes it is better to back off and think before we post...

[Sister Alvear]

I hope Brother Epley stays with us. We need opinions and people with solid reputations. Brother Epley happens to be among that group.

[Brad Murphy]

I'm not so sure that the liberals feel welcome either... as soon as I start feeling comfortable posting, we get posts like this and we keep hearing how off-balance the forum is with too many liberals so when I DO post, I now keep it reigned in for the most part. I believe that part of the problem is ultra-cons just aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way (especially prior to the advent of internet discussion forums). They are used to everything they say being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them.

[crakjak]

I have been asked by some who have left and others who would never join why I 'waste' my time over here. It is simple when my wife had her near fatal auto accident I wound up nearly home bound for a season a friend told me about FCF and then JY invited me to join. Thoise discussion were out the ceiling with brilliant though diverse minds. We fussed over everything. I came on very pointed(some was for shock I admit) but we had fun. Since the changing many who were posters from both sides no longer or very seldom post. But some of us have fussed for years now until we are all very predictable. But honestly I like those folks on here and have prayed for them. I have lunched with CC1 & Pianoman they are gentlemen and I personally like them. We agree on very little. Adino who I tease as being a Lutheran(although I am afraid it might be more truth than error) came to hear me in MI. I nearly had my head taken off for eating with AB who I worry about. Then those I have not met personally I also enjoy the fuss. However if I have become to obsolete for the forum I will leave relutantly but I will comply.

Steve, you would be greatly missed if you leave. I believe you are a man of character and a sincere man of God. I certainly believe God is going to rescue many more sinners than you do, but I have come to appreciate you very much.

[stmatthew]

I'm not so sure that the liberals feel welcome either... as soon as I start feeling comfortable posting, we get posts like this and we keep hearing how off-balance the forum is with too many liberals so when I DO post, I now keep it reigned in for the most part. I believe that part of the problem is ultra-cons just aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way (especially prior to the advent of internet discussion forums). They are used to everything they say being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them.

Brad, most of the few conservatives that post here have been on forums for years now. It ain't new to them.

[StMark]

I'm not so sure that the liberals feel welcome either... as soon as I start feeling comfortable posting, we get posts like this and we keep hearing how off-balance the forum is with too many liberals so when I DO post, I now keep it reigned in for the most part. I believe that part of the problem is ultra-cons just aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way (especially prior to the advent of internet discussion forums). They are used to everything they say being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them.


Brad, you go way back too. Back on FCF you posted fearless
as a liberal yet we didn't hear talk of of this at all.

Newman and others were debating against standards yet
we didn't hear of all this talk of libs and cons going their own
way

what do you think the difference is now ??

[Coffee99]

Rev. Epley,

I often lurk but rarely post anymore. Your question forced me to log in and post!
So very often, I disagree with things you say or the manner in which you state them. However, I have admired you from the beginning because it comes across that you really do believe what you say and try to be consistent. I admire someone who lives by the courage of their convictions. Mother Alvelear (sp) is the same way. She is just much gentler about conveying those convictions. But, the two of you share a sense of burden it seems for those of us who are liberal and it genuine. I always read her posts. I always read your posts and appreciate them. Even those with which I disagree.

It would be a loss if you were no longer here. Please stay and continue to post.

[Baron1710]

What a boring place AFF would be if everyone agreed with me. The posters would always be right but it would be boring. I could be like Paul and run through my list of reasons I am as Pentecostal as anyone but I will pass on that.

I have a brother (the son of my parents not someone in the church) that I disagree with on a regular basis, there have been times over the years that we have came to the point of wanting to slap the snot out of each other (though I would always win because I am bigger than him) but in the end we are brothers. Eventually we get over it and by dinner time we are best friends again. At some point we will all be sitting down to dinner together, so maybe we could refrain from bashing each others heads in until you all realize I am right.

[StillStanding]

I have NEVER seen you back down and admit ANYTHING
even when cornered with the evidence. instead you just
hurl the same ole accusations.

Whether I'm saying it's true or not, I KNOW that many Cons
have left becase of 3 reasons not saying I agree with it but
sorry it's the facts:
1.
They no longer feel wanted on AFF because it's overwhelming
Liberal/Charismatic
2.Outside pressures not to publically associate with such people
that mock Pentecostals
3. They feel that there many here are out to destroy the church

1. I think it's been expressed many times that the conservative voice is WANTED here on AFF.

2. I can see this as being truth.

3. I don't know of ANY regular poster who is out to destroy the church! I guess because someone disagrees with you on certain areas, they are out to destroy you! :crazy

It comes to this: Outside pressures not to publicly associate with people that (supposedly) mock ultra-conservative Pentecostals.

[Brad Murphy]

Brad, you go way back too. Back on FCF you posted fearless
as a liberal yet we didn't hear talk of of this at all.

Newman and others were debating against standards yet
we didn't hear of all this talk of libs and cons going their own
way

what do you think the difference is now ??

That is a good point. I think everyone is becoming convinced that neither side is going to change the other side's mind. We started thinking that "once they just see our point, they will realize that we are right"... but it never happened. At least I was naive enough to think that it would happen someday. lol.

For the record, I don't go all the way back to USENET or IRC in religious discussions... I had actually looked for some Pentecostals to "confront" several years before I found FCF but could not find them (didn't think to look on USENET or IRC... I was quite surprised when I discovered that there were Pentecostals that were that tech savvy). Most Pentecostals that I knew grewing up were more blue-collar types (not that there is anything wrong with that... and I do not mean that in a derogatory manner.) In fact, I was the only "Pentecostal" person that I knew that knew ANYTHING about computers for years... If these forums have shown me anything, it is that there are some ultra-cons with lots of secular education and skills, and that is something I would never have expected prior to coming to FCF, NFCF, AFF, etc.)

[TCSQ]

Brother Epley,

You may want to consider this in your decision of wether to stay or go.

Do you feel that you have anything of value to offer here that God can use to help some one or even instill or encourage in them the ability to see or walk in some of the truths that you hold dear to your heart?

And then Is there anything that some of the "Liberal" BRETHREN on this group may have to add to YOUR experience with God or understanding of him and his church that being in the rarified atmosphere of conservatives who all pretty much dot every I and cross every T the same way you may not come across?

I will tell you this, Some of the scornful attitude in which some very precious truths are dismissed or marginalized by some is very hard to take. However if you remove your voice from the equation you completely abdicate the ability and perhaps responsibility to refute or define some of those truths to others less experienced than yourself.

I THINK (Words of wisdon here) that you sound like I feel so many times, tired, beat down, a million and one problems and the little things that USUALLY just roll right off of me like water off the back of a duck just seems to emotionally overwhelm me.

A doctor would say...Take two aspirin and call me in the morning" *I* say, think about how amazing it is when so many people who tell you they disagree WITH you also say "PLEASE DON'T LEAVE, WE LIKE YOU AND WANT YOU TO STAY."

Chill out Bro, you are evidently a very popular guy around here, and it would be a mistake to let whatever vibe you picked up on change your impact on this group.

P.S. what did you think about that "I baptize you in the name of the Father and the Son and Sheeka Boom BAM!" ? I am STILL cracking up over THAT!

[Sam]

The reason why Bro Epley posted that is because he and other
Conservatives do not feel welcome on AFF and feel out of place.
many remarks over time have made him and others feel that way.

Conservatives have made plenty of remarks also, putting down liberals, even questioning their salvation. That door has swung both ways on the forum.

[Brad Murphy]

P.S. what did you think about that "I baptize you in the name of the Father and the Son and Sheeka Boom BAM!" ? I am STILL cracking up over THAT!

I still wonder if I lived in the past as one of my ancestors, and I spoke only Gaelic, would it be okay for me to get baptized in the name of Iosa? Or would I have to learn Greek or English and then get baptized in the name of Jesus...

[Cindy]

Just thought I would let you hear your own counsel, when someone else asked a similiar question.

Lawyer!

:whistle

[Rhoni]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

Bro. Epley,

Don't go. You have softened your posting...never compromised...but have 'softened'.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Cindy]

I'm not so sure that the liberals feel welcome either... as soon as I start feeling comfortable posting, we get posts like this and we keep hearing how off-balance the forum is with too many liberals so when I DO post, I now keep it reigned in for the most part. I believe that part of the problem is ultra-cons just aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way (especially prior to the advent of internet discussion forums). They are used to everything they say being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them.

I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.

[Brad Murphy]

I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.

Not sure how that one can be turned around, since there were "conservatives" before there were "liberals"... but okay. :)

[Rico]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

Brother Epley, I answered you over on the other thread..

[pelathais]

Conservatives have made plenty of remarks also, putting down liberals, even questioning their salvation. That door has swung both ways on the forum.
That is absolutely correct. From my perspective it's the so-called "cons" who start in with the name calling. Then when you stand up to them, they get all passive/aggressive and start saying things like, "Well, then I guess I'll leave if nobody loves me..."

Is this thread a cry from a desperate and lonely heart looking for love and acceptance? Or is it a passive/aggressive sort of threat intended to manipulate? Or is it something else all together? I honestly don't know.

But when a poster is known for attacking the beliefs of other posters with absurd allegations a sweeping generalizations it's hard for me to jump right into the Pity Party. If you can't engage people in an intelligent discussion, then maybe you don't need to leave - maybe you just need to sit and listen for a while.

Despite the informal nature of this forum, there are some very complex issues that get discussed. Issues that are not easy for even learned academics to sum up in a pithy little post. To really understand where someone is coming from you have to be willing to listen - in this case, to read what they're trying to say. And then politely ask questions about points that you don't quite follow.

For example: The so-called "One Step" position states that people are saved at repentance. When someone states that view - how can you "Three Steppers" honestly say things like, "Well I guess you don't believe baptism is essential..."? Especially after all of the discussion that's gone on.

It just doesn't seem like you're paying attention to what is being said. Instead you throw out a totally irrelevant one-liner and look for someone to slap you a high-five. Wake up.

Pay attention - or maybe, find something that does hold your interests. No one's holding a gun to your head, either way.

[Rico]

Rico suggested we leave and suggested other forums. I just wanted to know if the adms feels this way this is NOT a pity thread but an honest question?
I have enjoyed and endured discussions since FCF I have met some nice folks from here I would never agree with we have met and lunched. Adino who is 180 degrees from me doctrinally came to hear me. But I am wondering if he is not just saying the heart of the others that is the reason for this post. No other. I count Rico a friend so I am not attacking him we have fussed for years.

It's amazing how you guys take a ball and run with it. LOL! What I was saying, Brother Epley, is if people aren't happy being members of AFF because of all the different beliefs expressed here, then maybe they would be happier posting on the more conservative boards. You seem to be happy with posting on AFF, so why would you consider leaving?

[Rico]

Bro, if anyone needs to leave it's Rico - not you. He dominates the board with acerbic posts. Daniel looks like Mother Theresa compared to Rico.

Good luck with that, PP.

[pelathais]

Not sure how that one can be turned around, since there were "conservatives" before there were "liberals"... but okay. :)
That's an interesting angle - but I'd have to disagree.

Go through the old Oneness Pentecostal writings and check out what they belived. Look at the writings of AD Urshan, John Deering and others. Look through some old photographs.

You will see that those who are being called "Liberals" here are the real descendants of the founders of the OP movement. The "cons" didn't really get their start until around WW2.

[Rico]

I have been asked by some who have left and others who would never join why I 'waste' my time over here. It is simple when my wife had her near fatal auto accident I wound up nearly home bound for a season a friend told me about FCF and then JY invited me to join. Thoise discussion were out the ceiling with brilliant though diverse minds. We fussed over everything. I came on very pointed(some was for shock I admit) but we had fun. Since the changing many who were posters from both sides no longer or very seldom post. But some of us have fussed for years now until we are all very predictable. But honestly I like those folks on here and have prayed for them. I have lunched with CC1 & Pianoman they are gentlemen and I personally like them. We agree on very little. Adino who I tease as being a Lutheran(although I am afraid it might be more truth than error) came to hear me in MI. I nearly had my head taken off for eating with AB who I worry about. Then those I have not met personally I also enjoy the fuss. However if I have become to obsolete for the forum I will leave relutantly but I will comply.

See? You like it here. That's the difference.

[pelathais]

Bro, if anyone needs to leave it's Rico - not you. He dominates the board with acerbic posts. Daniel looks like Mother Theresa compared to Rico.
You know, I've never seen Daniel and Mother Theresa together at the same place and at the same time...

[Brad Murphy]

That's an interesting angle - but I'd have to disagree.

Go through the old Oneness Pentecostal writings and check out what they belived. Look at the writings of AD Urshan, John Deering and others. Look through some old photographs.

You will see that those who are being called "Liberals" here are the real descendants of the founders of the OP movement. The "cons" didn't really get their start until around WW2.

Sorry, I should have explained myself better. From my perspective, I grew up in an ultra-con culture, in a world where certain things were just not questioned... ever... if they were questioned, the closest you ever got to an answer was "have you prayed about it". So to say that the "liberals" are not used to being questioned by the ultra-cons, just doesn't make any sense from my personal perspective.

[Rico]

Asked to leave? By no means, Bro. I haven't read any comments or requests you might be referring to, but please take it all with a grain of salt. Especially if its coming from Rico the Socialist ;)

Stay, Steve.

Rico the Socialist? :lol Dude, you totally have me confused with Chris Hall. :lol

[pelathais]

Sorry, I should have explained myself better. From my perspective, I grew up in an ultra-con culture, in a world where certain things were just not questioned... ever... if they were questioned, the closest you ever got to an answer was "have you prayed about it". So to say that the "liberals" are not used to being questioned by the ultra-cons, just doesn't make any sense from my personal perspective.
Oh, my bad... I didn't quite follow. Thanks. And you are correct.

[TCSQ]

You know, I've never seen Daniel and Mother Theresa together at the same place and at the same time...



Strange isn't it???????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

[Cindy]

Not sure how that one can be turned around, since there were "conservatives" before there were "liberals"... but okay. :)

Dude, parallel universe. :D

[Praxeas]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.
Did the Admins ask you to leave?

[Nahum]

Did the Admins ask you to leave?

If you count Rico as an admin.:tease

[Rico]

I think Bro Epley is a wise man, and is very solid in what he believes. I simply see his question as him being a gentlemen, and not continuing to post where he is not welcome. I highly doubt that Rico's statement is a representative of Admin's wishes in any shape or forum (:D).

I think that as the forum continues to be a place more liberal posters come and post, that conservatives will have less and less of a desire to continue to post here. Not slamming AFF. That is just the way it is. There is a time of fighting for doctrine you believe to be right. But eventually the fight is not worth the unending battle on these issues (that coupled with what some feel is disrespect towards doctrine that most consider apostolic). MOST folks are not going to change key doctrines they hold because of a discussion board. So it becomes a fruitless project.

Exactamundo, StMatt. I am surprised that my post to NITW opened up this can of worms with Brother Epley. Maybe it's the scripture I included that has a ring of truth to it or something that's gotten him stirred up. I don't know, but I was just trying to let NITW know he has other options for posting if he's uncomfortable with what he's found here at AFF.

[Cindy]

Sorry, I should have explained myself better. From my perspective, I grew up in an ultra-con culture, in a world where certain things were just not questioned... ever... if they were questioned, the closest you ever got to an answer was "have you prayed about it". So to say that the "liberals" are not used to being questioned by the ultra-cons, just doesn't make any sense from my personal perspective.

Exactly, personal perspective. It does seem hard to get someone to really listen to our questions sometimes, but that does not mean that others with a different point of view might not. In fact my experience on AFF especially has been just the opposite.I don't believe in labeling anyone, I detest the con, ultra con, liberal terms. And I can say I am fortunate in life outside the forum that my pastors were and are not like that, and they are UPC.
Sometimes pray about it is good advice.:)

[Rico]

If you count Rico as an admin.:tease

PP, my post on the other thread wasn't even addressed to Brother Epley. It apparently struck a nerve with him though.

[Brad Murphy]

Exactly, personal perspective. It does seem hard to get someone to really listen to our questions sometimes, but that does not mean that others with a different point of view might not. In fact my experience on AFF especially has been just the opposite.I don't believe in labeling anyone, I detest the con, ultra con, liberal terms. And I can say I am fortunate in life outside the forum that my pastors were and are not like that, and they are UPC.
Sometimes pray about it is good advice.:)

I don't really find that the term liberal fits me either, but that is the easiest term to use for people to understand my position on a lot of things... the range of between liberal and conservative assumes that you are all on the same frequency spectrum, and I am on a whole different band. :)

I've never experienced prayer as a two-way conversation like many people say they have, so I don't find that I get a lot of answers from it... other than wondering if when I talk to myself in my head and then answer myself in my head with what I imagine God would say is considered prayer...

[Nahum]

PP, my post on the other thread wasn't even addressed to Brother Epley. It apparently struck a nerve with him though.

You're getting on a lot of people's nerves.

[Praxeas]

No I think the confusion is over the fact that they come here and constantly state this is not Apostolic (by their standards) some have called everyone else here heathens and not Apostolic so the question is asked why be here then? Why not go to gnc? It does not make sense.

[Nahum]

No I think the confusion is over the fact that they come here and constantly state this is not Apostolic (by their standards) some have called everyone else here heathens and not Apostolic so the question is asked why be here then? Why not go to gnc? It does not make sense.

Who knows?

Maybe they believe in truth in advertising?

[Praxeas]

Who knows?

Maybe they believe in truth in advertising?
That is subjective

[Nahum]

That is subjective


Well, I love it here, but I don't think the site is Apostolic by any stretch of the imagination.

It's like saying the color blue is actually orange.

No matter how many times you say it, it's just not true and everyone with eyes can see it.

[Praxeas]

Well, I love it here, but I don't think the site is Apostolic by any stretch of the imagination.

It's like saying the color blue is actually orange.

No matter how many times you say it, it's just not true and everyone with eyes can see it.
AFF is and was a place for people of Apostolic faith and friends. It was never stipulated that those that don't believe like a three stepper Ultra Con are not welcome.

[Baron1710]

Well, I love it here, but I don't think the site is Apostolic by any stretch of the imagination.

It's like saying the color blue is actually orange.

No matter how many times you say it, it's just not true and everyone with eyes can see it.

You are right this site has never repented, never been baptized in Jesus name, never spoken in tongues.

It is not even Apostolic by a one stepper's view.

Most of the posters however fit the bill pretty well.

[anapko]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

I for one would miss you Elder...please don't leave!

[Brad Murphy]

Wow, never thought of that... can a website have a soul? If there is more than one website hosted by a single server, are there multiple souls on that one server? If a server has gold or platinum alloys in any of its circuitry, could it be saved without self-destructing to remove the offending materials?

[Rico]

Wow. I have to say I am surprised at what's happened since last night. Certainly wasn't expecting this. What's ironic is that I agree with those who feel this board is leaning more and more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. In fact, I've complained about how I see more and more one steppers and fewer and fewer three steppers on AFF.

WIth that said, I don't see what the point is in you hanging around if you see the people you post with as heathens. Having to constantly fight against a spirit of judgmentalism gets old after awhile. The liberals don't seem to have an issue with accepting the conservatives as brothers and sisters in the Lord, in spite of the differences in beliefs. Why is it so hard for the conservatives to extend the same courtesy to the liberals? Disagree on the issues without resorting to condemning them to Hell. Is that too much to ask for? I've been told by so many conservatives on this board that I am splitting Hell wide open my ears have developed callouses from it. The folks on the liberal side of the aisle have NEVER resorted to that, and I promise you they don't consider me a liberal and one of their own.

[Rico]

You're getting on a lot of people's nerves.

Mainly yours. I like it that way. :D

[Baron1710]

Wow. I have to say I am surprised at what's happened since last night. Certainly wasn't expecting this. What's ironic is that I agree with those who feel this board is leaning more and more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. In fact, I've complained about how I see more and more one steppers and fewer and fewer three steppers on AFF.



Because they are all being converted to the truth.:neener

[Brad Murphy]

Mainly yours. I like it that way. :D It is kinda fun irritating him... :)

[Hoovie]

I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.

Amen! You said a mouthful there!

[Hoovie]

Wow. I have to say I am surprised at what's happened since last night. Certainly wasn't expecting this. What's ironic is that I agree with those who feel this board is leaning more and more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. In fact, I've complained about how I see more and more one steppers and fewer and fewer three steppers on AFF.

WIth that said, I don't see what the point is in you hanging around if you see the people you post with as heathens. Having to constantly fight against a spirit of judgmentalism gets old after awhile. The liberals don't seem to have an issue with accepting the conservatives as brothers and sisters in the Lord, in spite of the differences in beliefs. Why is it so hard for the conservatives to extend the same courtesy to the liberals? Disagree on the issues without resorting to condemning them to Hell. Is that too much to ask for? I've been told by so many conservatives on this board that I am splitting Hell wide open my ears have developed callouses from it. The folks on the liberal side of the aisle have NEVER resorted to that, and I promise you they don't consider me a liberal and one of their own.

I (as a moderate) agree with the bolded part.

However, I think all the UC should hang around. It is healthy for them and for us who may be a bit more liberated to dialog.

[Rico]

Because they are all being converted to the truth.:neener

:lol NOT! More like they get tired of arguin with you guys and find somewhere else to post! :D

[Hoovie]

Well, I love it here, but I don't think the site is Apostolic by any stretch of the imagination.

It's like saying the color blue is actually orange.

No matter how many times you say it, it's just not true and everyone with eyes can see it.

There you go again!

I say the membership is overwhelmingly Oneness Pentecostal. Some have different marks of devotion and are more liberal or conservative, but these are for the most part secondary issues.

[Rico]

It is kinda fun irritating him... :)

I'm having a blast! PP reminds me of that guy in the Bible who just couldn't stand it that that one person would not bow down to him. It drove him nuts! I tried looking for the story yesterday, but I can't remember enough details to search for it with my Bible program. If I could just find out what that fella's name was......................................:D

[Rico]

There you go again!

I say the membership is overwhelmingly Oneness Pentecostal. Some have different marks of devotion and are more liberal or conservative, but these are for the most part secondary issues.

Be careful. He'll accuse you of wanting to be an admin around here for standing up to him. Oh, wait a minute! You are an admin! :D

[pelathais]

I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.
Did you mean "cons," c in east texas?

[mizpeh]

I'm having a blast! PP reminds me of that guy in the Bible who just couldn't stand it that that one person would not bow down to him. It drove him nuts! I tried looking for the story yesterday, but I can't remember enough details to search for it with my Bible program. If I could just find out what that fella's name was......................................:D
Mordecai?

[Rico]

Mordecai?

Lemme check! Hehehehehehehehehehee! :evilglee

[Hoovie]

I believe part of the problem is liberals aren't used to being questioned or disrespected in any way. They are used to everything they saying being taken as gospel, so this (a level playing field) is new to them. Especially because of the advent of internet discussion forums.

Amen! You said a mouthful there!

Did you mean "cons," c in east texas?

Oh I hope she meant Cons - cause that is how I read it!

:ursofunny

[pelathais]

Well, I love it here, but I don't think the site is Apostolic by any stretch of the imagination.

It's like saying the color blue is actually orange.

No matter how many times you say it, it's just not true and everyone with eyes can see it.
You've drunk the Kool-aid, PP. Compare what goes for "Apostolic" today with what was "Apostolic" before the UPC merger. Before the merger the majority of "Apostolics" believed in a "One Step" pattern of salvation, didn't say "Trinnies are all goin' to hell" and wore modest jewelry.

I have family pics of Apostolic picnics from before and after WW2 where the ladies are wearing slacks and the ones that you can make out obviously have cut their hair.

That was the real Apostolic Faith movement of yester-year. You've seen that pic of ReformedDave's grandfather haven't you? Would you support that man as a missionary today? With his beard?

[Rico]

Lemme check! Hehehehehehehehehehee! :evilglee


Mordecai IT IS!! PP is Haman and I am Mordecai! I LOVE IT!!!! :killinme

[Theresa]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

if others are allowed to stay with their anticonservative agenda, then there shouldnt even be a HINT of suggestion that you leave...

IMO, there are some on here intent on tearing down everything UPC, conservative or otherwise unlike they are, if they can stay, well ANYONE can stay.

Well, now that I think about it, I dont know why you'd want to stay, some of the stuff on here is repulsive at times, and I mean the attitudes and the agendas....

There are still a few good folks left, please dont leave Elder....not b/c someone runs you off, leave b/c you want to or cannot stomach the majority of the stuff spewed around here.....((By a select few, very vocal few, but few none the less))

[StMark]

if others are allowed to stay with their anticonservative agenda, then there shouldnt even be a HINT of suggestion that you leave...

IMO, there are some on here intent on tearing down everything UPC, conservative or otherwise unlike they are, if they can stay, well ANYONE can stay.

Well, now that I think about it, I dont know why you'd want to stay, some of the stuff on here is repulsive at times, and I mean the attitudes and the agendas....

There are still a few good folks left, please dont leave Elder....not b/c someone runs you off, leave b/c you want to or cannot stomach the majority of the stuff spewed around here.....((By a select few, very vocal few, but few none the less))



NOW FOLKS WHAT DID I TELL YOU????????????????????????

I told you that this is a common belief amongst conservatives
That there is an agenda to rip apart the beliefs of the UPC
and Conservatives!!!

I was told my the MRS that I was dramatizing things but I
KNEW I was right !!!!! what do YOU have to say now??????

[Theresa]

NOW FOLKS WHAT DID I TELL YOU????????????????????????

I told you that this is a common belief amongst conservatives
That there is an agenda to rip apart the beliefs of the UPC
and Conservatives!!!

I was told my the MRS that I was dramatizing things but I
KNEW I was right !!!!! what do YOU have to say now??????

its not an organized conspiracy Mark, it's just how some are...and they make me want to vomit.

I dont sit back and critize them for their beliefs or their liberation from the big bad conservative apostolic movement, nor do I have any respect for their veiled and not so veiled jabs at anything conservative.

To each his own I say.....people will answer to God for their choices, not me. I just have no respect for those that constantly poke fun and ridicule those with more conservative beliefs than they...

If they are correct in their "liberal" thinking, how can conservatives be wrong for being more conservative than they?

I have a lot more respect for folks like Renda, Pianoman, CC1, Sherri and others who are not still "UPC" but they respect where they came from and dont constantly crucify those who choose a more conservative life....or choose to stay UPC in spite of its faults.

But thinking its a big conspiracy or some large scale agenda? I dont think so, I think it's one or two bitter folks trying to make themselves feel better

[pelathais]

NOW FOLKS WHAT DID I TELL YOU????????????????????????

I told you that this is a common belief amongst conservatives
That there is an agenda to rip apart the beliefs of the UPC
and Conservatives!!!

I was told my the MRS that I was dramatizing things but I
KNEW I was right !!!!! what do YOU have to say now??????
You're dramatizing the situation...

Nobody "tears down the UPC" like the so-called "cons" around here.

And consider - they've been successfully on the attack ever since 1945. Their agenda has always been placated, even when it was the minority view. The PCI/"One Steppers" always given place out of a desire for unity.

This just emboldens the "cons" to be even more snarky. Who splits off from the UPC and solicits others to join them (AMF, WPF) - it's the "cons." Who has ramrodded resolutions through the General Conferences to drive the "liberals" out of the UPC - it's the "cons."

And who walks around all hang dog when you stand up to them and their bullying? It's the "cons."

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive for the behavior ploy that's being used against you here by the "cons."

[LUKE2447]

Wow. I have to say I am surprised at what's happened since last night. Certainly wasn't expecting this. What's ironic is that I agree with those who feel this board is leaning more and more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. In fact, I've complained about how I see more and more one steppers and fewer and fewer three steppers on AFF.

WIth that said, I don't see what the point is in you hanging around if you see the people you post with as heathens. Having to constantly fight against a spirit of judgmentalism gets old after awhile. The liberals don't seem to have an issue with accepting the conservatives as brothers and sisters in the Lord, in spite of the differences in beliefs. Why is it so hard for the conservatives to extend the same courtesy to the liberals? Disagree on the issues without resorting to condemning them to Hell. Is that too much to ask for? I've been told by so many conservatives on this board that I am splitting Hell wide open my ears have developed callouses from it. The folks on the liberal side of the aisle have NEVER resorted to that, and I promise you they don't consider me a liberal and one of their own.


Rico it is the nature of the beast.Those that hold more things as essential which would put them in a more conservative camp are automtically not going to accept anything less. Thus less is liberal. It depends on where the line is drawn really whether you are conservative or liberal. Pretty relative to who is talking.

[StMark]

its not an organized conspiracy Mark, it's just how some are...and they make me want to vomit.

I dont sit back and critize them for their beliefs or their liberation from the big bad conservative apostolic movement, nor do I have any respect for their veiled and not so veiled jabs at anything conservative.

To each his own I say.....people will answer to God for their choices, not me. I just have no respect for those that constantly poke fun and ridicule those with more conservative beliefs than they...

If they are correct in their "liberal" thinking, how can conservatives be wrong for being more conservative than they?

I have a lot more respect for folks like Renda, Pianoman, CC1, Sherri and others who are not still "UPC" but they respect where they came from and dont constantly crucify those who choose a more conservative life....or choose to stay UPC in spite of its faults.

But thinking its a big conspiracy or some large scale agenda? I dont think so, I think it's one or two bitter folks trying to make themselves feel better


Theresa, why don't you post anymore on AFF??? You wait until
a thread like this, why ??

Here are the 3 reasons I believe that Conservatives have or
are leaving AFF. let me know what you think



1.They no longer feel wanted on AFF because it's overwhelming
Liberal/Charismatic
2.Outside pressures not to publically associate with such people
that mock Pentecostals
3. They feel that there many here are out to destroy the church

[StMark]

You're dramatizing the situation...

Nobody "tears down the UPC" like the so-called "cons" around here.

And consider - they've been successfully on the attack ever since 1945. Their agenda has always been placated, even when it was the minority view. The PCI/"One Steppers" always given place out of a desire for unity.

This just emboldens the "cons" to be even more snarky. Who splits off from the UPC and solicits others to join them (AMF, WPF) - it's the "cons." Who has ramrodded resolutions through the General Conferences to drive the "liberals" out of the UPC - it's the "cons."

And who walks around all hang dog when you stand up to them and their bullying? It's the "cons."

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive for the behavior ploy that's being used against you here by the "cons."


HOW am I the one Dramatizing it when it was Conservatives
themselves who stated that was THEIR reason for leaving????
Theresa also stated the same thing.

[Theresa]

Wow. I have to say I am surprised at what's happened since last night. Certainly wasn't expecting this. What's ironic is that I agree with those who feel this board is leaning more and more towards the liberal end of the spectrum. In fact, I've complained about how I see more and more one steppers and fewer and fewer three steppers on AFF.

WIth that said, I don't see what the point is in you hanging around if you see the people you post with as heathens. Having to constantly fight against a spirit of judgmentalism gets old after awhile. The liberals don't seem to have an issue with accepting the conservatives as brothers and sisters in the Lord, in spite of the differences in beliefs. Why is it so hard for the conservatives to extend the same courtesy to the liberals? Disagree on the issues without resorting to condemning them to Hell. Is that too much to ask for? I've been told by so many conservatives on this board that I am splitting Hell wide open my ears have developed callouses from it. The folks on the liberal side of the aisle have NEVER resorted to that, and I promise you they don't consider me a liberal and one of their own.

I really dont think its accurate to lump all the liberals on this board together, just as it's not fair to lump every conservative with not only the other cons on this board but those outside this format who are more vocal with their feeings on issuses...you know, those that took their toys and went elsewhere.

Its all relative to who's doing the talking, not so much the cons and liberals as two groups.

[Theresa]

HOW am I the one Dramatizing it when it was Conservatives
themselves who stated that was THEIR reason for leaving????
Theresa also stated the same thing.

Mark, it's like spitting in the wind

[Cindy]

Did you mean "cons," c in east texas?

No. I meant what I said. It is all about perspective.

[Cindy]

its not an organized conspiracy Mark, it's just how some are...and they make me want to vomit.

I dont sit back and critize them for their beliefs or their liberation from the big bad conservative apostolic movement, nor do I have any respect for their veiled and not so veiled jabs at anything conservative.

To each his own I say.....people will answer to God for their choices, not me. I just have no respect for those that constantly poke fun and ridicule those with more conservative beliefs than they...

If they are correct in their "liberal" thinking, how can conservatives be wrong for being more conservative than they?

I have a lot more respect for folks like Renda, Pianoman, CC1, Sherri and others who are not still "UPC" but they respect where they came from and dont constantly crucify those who choose a more conservative life....or choose to stay UPC in spite of its faults.

But thinking its a big conspiracy or some large scale agenda? I dont think so, I think it's one or two bitter folks trying to make themselves feel better


Thank you sister.

[pelathais]

1.They no longer feel wanted on AFF because it's overwhelming Liberal/Charismatic

"Charismatic" was a buzz-word used as a boogy-man. It was a rallying cry and insult that was bandied about to smear people who weren't the least bit "Charismatic." When these "UC's" make this complaint they are making the same complaint that they did about good men and great preachers in the past.

2.Outside pressures not to publically associate with such people that mock Pentecostals

I think you hit the nail on the head here. In many cases it is advisable for a person who aspires to work in a public position like the ministry to limit the amount of things that they have published under their name. It's too easy for someone to come along and "quote mine" for damaging statements and build all sorts of insuations from that.

3. They feel that there many here are out to destroy the church
If they honestly feel that way, then they should get involved in the discussion. From the way things stand, it seems that the arguments of the "UC's" and "cons" just don't hold any water.

Just today they've been arguing that pants don't "pertain to a man" unless they reach his ankles. So, do they pertain to a woman then?

HOW am I the one Dramatizing it when it was Conservatives
themselves who stated that was THEIR reason for leaving????
Theresa also stated the same thing.
I should have put a smiley there - I was just ribbing you. Sorry.

[Bro-Larry]

Please don't leave, Brother Epley.

[Rico]

Rico it is the nature of the beast.Those that hold more things as essential which would put them in a more conservative camp are automtically not going to accept anything less. Thus less is liberal. It depends on where the line is drawn really whether you are conservative or liberal. Pretty relative to who is talking.

Luke, it's still a choice on the part of the "You are going to Hell" crowd to resort to those tactics. What's so troublesome about it is some have gone so far as to say people don't have the Holy Ghost for not seeing things the same way. Taking things to that level is wrong, period.




BTW, I agree with Theresa, in that I believe there are some people here whose sole intent is to completely dismantle the church. I've seen it, felt it in my spirit, and spoken out against it. But I don't believe that this is what the majority of the liberal folks around here are aiming for.

[StMark]

"Charismatic" was a buzz-word used as a boogy-man. It was a rallying cry and insult that was bandied about to smear people who weren't the least bit "Charismatic." When these "UC's" make this complaint they are making the same complaint that they did about good men and great preachers in the past.
[SIZE=3]
I think you hit the nail on the head here. In many cases it is advisable for a person who aspires to work in a public position like the ministry to limit the amount of things that they have published under their name. It's too easy for someone to come along and "quote mine" for damaging statements and build all sorts of insuations from that.

If they honestly feel that way, then they should get involved in the discussion. From the way things stand, it seems that the arguments othe "UC's" and "cons" just don't hold any water.

Just today they've been arguing that pants don't "pertain to a man" unless they reach his ankles. So, do they pertain to a woman then?


I should have put a smiley there - I was just ribbing you. Sorry.




WEll FINALLY someone who is considered of substance
Here on AFF Admits and agrees with my summation of what really is!
GLORRRRRRAAAAY!!! You see, If I say it, it's wrong but if
Brother PEL says it's so then it's Gospel :tease

[Cindy]

You're dramatizing the situation...

Nobody "tears down the UPC" like the so-called "cons" around here.

And consider - they've been successfully on the attack ever since 1945. Their agenda has always been placated, even when it was the minority view. The PCI/"One Steppers" always given place out of a desire for unity.

This just emboldens the "cons" to be even more snarky. Who splits off from the UPC and solicits others to join them (AMF, WPF) - it's the "cons." Who has ramrodded resolutions through the General Conferences to drive the "liberals" out of the UPC - it's the "cons."

And who walks around all hang dog when you stand up to them and their bullying? It's the "cons."

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-aggressive for the behavior ploy that's being used against you here by the "cons."

I think she meant on the forum now Pel. :)

[Rico]

I really dont think its accurate to lump all the liberals on this board together, just as it's not fair to lump every conservative with not only the other cons on this board but those outside this format who are more vocal with their feeings on issuses...you know, those that took their toys and went elsewhere.

Its all relative to who's doing the talking, not so much the cons and liberals as two groups.

I know it's not everyone on either side of the aisle, Theresa. There are a few on both sides who are the driving forces behind the negativity.

[pelathais]

WEll FINALLY someone who is considered of substance
Here on AFF Admits and agrees with my summation of what really is!
GLORRRRRRAAAAY!!! You see, If I say it, it's wrong but if
Brother PEL says it's so then it's Gospel :tease
You flatter me too much here and under sell yourself.

In the end, both of us are just yammering. Same with everyone else. These aren't term papers we're writing.

[Hoovie]

Rico it is the nature of the beast.Those that hold more things as essential which would put them in a more conservative camp are automtically not going to accept anything less. Thus less is liberal. It depends on where the line is drawn really whether you are conservative or liberal. Pretty relative to who is talking.

I think they can not "accept anything less" if they believe they are essential to gain salvation. But if they are living a more conservative lifestyle as a greater commitment or increased mark of devotion it should not make them nervous at all. In fact they should cherish the opportunity to show how such a lifestyle has increased their impact on society and personal witness.

[Jekyll]

No I think the confusion is over the fact that they come here and constantly state this is not Apostolic (by their standards) some have called everyone else here heathens and not Apostolic so the question is asked why be here then? Why not go to gnc? It does not make sense.

Who knows?

Maybe they believe in truth in advertising?

That is subjective

Well, I love it here, but I don't think the site is Apostolic by any stretch of the imagination.

It's like saying the color blue is actually orange.

No matter how many times you say it, it's just not true and everyone with eyes can see it.

AFF is and was a place for people of Apostolic faith and friends. It was never stipulated that those that don't believe like a three stepper Ultra Con are not welcome.
Wow, PP, when this comes up, or I have talked about it, I have been stating this all along.

BUT, just because it is not Apostolic doesn't mean people need to say away or that real Apostolics shouldn't be here.

And, thanks admin/owners for a place to spend a few minutes, I hope Bro. Epley doesn't leave.

[Jekyll]

"Charismatic" was a buzz-word used as a boogy-man. It was a rallying cry and insult that was bandied about to smear people who weren't the least bit "Charismatic." When these "UC's" make this complaint they are making the same complaint that they did about good men and great preachers in the past.
[size=3]
I think you hit the nail on the head here. In many cases it is advisable for a person who aspires to work in a public position like the ministry to limit the amount of things that they have published under their name. It's too easy for someone to come along and "quote mine" for damaging statements and build all sorts of insuations from that.

If they honestly feel that way, then they should get involved in the discussion. From the way things stand, it seems that the arguments of the "UC's" and "cons" just don't hold any water.

Just today they've been arguing that pants don't "pertain to a man" unless they reach his ankles. So, do they pertain to a woman then?


I should have put a smiley there - I was just ribbing you. Sorry.
Where has this been discussed?

[CC1]

You've drunk the Kool-aid, PP. Compare what goes for "Apostolic" today with what was "Apostolic" before the UPC merger. Before the merger the majority of "Apostolics" believed in a "One Step" pattern of salvation, didn't say "Trinnies are all goin' to hell" and wore modest jewelry.

I have family pics of Apostolic picnics from before and after WW2 where the ladies are wearing slacks and the ones that you can make out obviously have cut their hair.

That was the real Apostolic Faith movement of yester-year. You've seen that pic of ReformedDave's grandfather haven't you? Would you support that man as a missionary today? With his beard?

As you know I am a "One Stepper" however your history is just plain wrong here. The majority of the PCI and PAJC were 3 steppers at the time of the merger.

The Fudge book makes an incredibly weak attempt to say that the majority of the PCI was one steppers but that was based on one elderly man's recollection while at the same time others recollections were different and united in that they all said the one step view was in the PCI but was a minoritiy view in that org. and almost non existant in the PAJC.

[freeatlast]

Elder Epley,
Please don't leave!!!!
You know what a liberal I am.
You've read (and often disagreed with) my posts on several forums.
I respect you as a man of God, a person who sincerely loves the Lord.
I don't always agree with some of the things you say or even the way you say them, but I consider you a valued contributor to this forum. In my (liberal or maybe ultra-liberal to many) opinion, we all are brothers and sisters on this forum and, as siblings, some times we squabble, get our feelings hurt, get mad, and pout but we're all here together and down inside do love one another. We are each unique and different from one another but we have a common Lord and a common new birth experience. We represent the diversity in the body of Christ.


DITTO !!


Let me say to you Elder Epley, that which I say to my dog. STAY !!

[StMark]

Have you all noticed how quiet Elder Epley got??????
I believe he went off to think this over. Some of you
cry when he contemplates leaving but you need to
watch it in the heat of things, being mean spirited and
disrespectful towards him. I hope he decides to stay
but the way he's been treated around here and the
way some of you have hurt him I wouldn't blame him
if he left

[bkstokes]

Because they are all being converted to the truth.:neener

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

[Blubayou]

I sincerely hope Br. E does not leave. I have been concerned about the tenor of some of the threads and posts lately, but I do believe we need posters like Br. E to give us balance and remind us of our roots. I do not want a forum where everyone agrees, I enjoy the discussions and looking at issues from all angles. I do not enjoy the "tone" of some the posters. I wish we had more posters like Br. E -

[Aquila]

:ursofunny

Why would anyone vote for someone who's mascot is a donkey? :tease

Hey now, Jesus road a donkey. :club :tease

[Obama Supporter]

[Rico]

Hey now, Jesus road a donkey. :club :tease

[Obama Supporter]


Good one! Hehehehehehehe!

[Aquila]

Bro. Eply, you and I have had some disagreements, and we've questioned eachother's spirit and attitude sometimes....but you're my brother...and in all honesty, I want you to be my friend even if I'm more liberal than you. I believe we all need each other down here. You're part of the body...without out you...we're not whole.

God bless and keep you and yours Bro. Eply. I love, appreciate, and even respect you from the bottom of my heart.





(don't get the big head lol)

[Hoovie]

As you know I am a "One Stepper" however your history is just plain wrong here. The majority of the PCI and PAJC were 3 steppers at the time of the merger.

The Fudge book makes an incredibly weak attempt to say that the majority of the PCI was one steppers but that was based on one elderly man's recollection while at the same time others recollections were different and united in that they all said the one step view was in the PCI but was a minoritiy view in that org. and almost non existant in the PAJC.

I caught that too CC1, but he says

"Before the merger the majority of "Apostolics" believed in a "One Step" pattern of salvation, didn't say "Trinnies are all goin' to hell" and wore modest jewelry. "

He did not say only Apostolics who became the UPC. There were other groups who were believed baptism and recieving the Holy Spirit were subsequent to salvation.

[Baron1710]

As you know I am a "One Stepper" however your history is just plain wrong here. The majority of the PCI and PAJC were 3 steppers at the time of the merger.

The Fudge book makes an incredibly weak attempt to say that the majority of the PCI was one steppers but that was based on one elderly man's recollection while at the same time others recollections were different and united in that they all said the one step view was in the PCI but was a minoritiy view in that org. and almost non existant in the PAJC.

There seems to be some debate on that topic and more than just Fudge claim the majority of PCI was one steppers I have a quote from Raymond Crownover where he stated the mojority of the PCI was one step. Loren Yadon has also taken that position. But it is more than one man's memory at any rate.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I would never want to you to leave here Elder I admire your convictions,and hey If I need prayer,I know you could get one through for me.

[Hoovie]

There seems to be some debate on that topic and more than just Fudge claim the majority of PCI was one steppers I have a quote from Raymond Crownover where he stated the mojority of the PCI was one step. Loren Yadon has also taken that position. But it is more than one man's memory at any rate.

The Pel quote about most of the PAJC being One Stepper is the bigger debate. I think many agree The PCI was.

The thing is, many and perhaps most "three steppers" also embraced something of a light doctrine. This helped deal with the question of "other Christians" without castigating them.


PS It is nice to see Bro Crownovers name mentioned. He is a friend of our family. He has one incredible brain!

[Baron1710]

Most of the PAJC being One Stepper is the debate. I think many agree The PCI was.

The thing is, many and perhaps most "three steppers" also embraced something of a light doctrine. This helped deal with the question of "other Christians" without castigating them.


PS It is nice to see Bro Crownovers name mentioned. He is a friend of our family. He has one incredible brain!

Gotcha. I read the quote by CC1 to mean the PCI was predominatly 3 steppers, my mistake.

[Jekyll]

Where has this been discussed?

Oh, I see where now.

Oh, and Patheticlathais, your disdain for the men you call UCs is obvious. However, do not paint all people of this classification as ignorant, bullying control freaks - this only shows how ignorant and bitter you may be.

[ChTatum]

Elder Epley,

To quote a song from the 70's which I feel quite sure you have never heard....

"It's your thang, do whatcha wanna do, I can't tell you, who to sock it too..."

But if you are "pointed" you should expect pointedness back.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you......yep, I believe I read that somewhere.

[Dedicated Mind]

I appreciate your viewpoint, please stay.

[jaxfam6]

:ursofunny

Why would anyone vote for someone who's mascot is a donkey? :tease

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm makes you wonder what that is saying about those who vote that way doesn't it?

[Steve Epley]

It was never my intention to eliticit this typeof response in all honesty I only wanted to know the feelings of the adms. I believe in being a gentleman and not injecting yourself where you are not wanted. I do not want to leave I have enjoyed fussing with y'all. I just didn't want to be an unwanted intrusion. Thanks for all the nice comments and I am not thin skinned I just wanted to know the wishes of the owners. By the way Rico pmed me and I guess I misunderstood his posts. I certainly bear no ill toward him nor anyone here.

[Rhoni]

Bro. Epley,

You are loved and respected on here. I hope you know that..even though I sincerely disagree with you much of the time..you gotta admire a man who can stand up and be a man.

Respectfully,
Rhoni

[Cindy]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm makes you wonder what that is saying about those who vote that way doesn't it?

I'm just sayin..........:whistle

[Rico]

It was never my intention to eliticit this typeof response in all honesty I only wanted to know the feelings of the adms. I believe in being a gentleman and not injecting yourself where you are not wanted. I do not want to leave I have enjoyed fussing with y'all. I just didn't want to be an unwanted intrusion. Thanks for all the nice comments and I am not thin skinned I just wanted to know the wishes of the owners. By the way Rico pmed me and I guess I misunderstood his posts. I certainly bear no ill toward him nor anyone here.

Brother Epley, I've told you this before and it's still true. I love you and respect you as a man of God. Feel free to tell me I am going to hell anytime you want. The last thing I want is for you to leave us. It took me a long while to see that your bark is much worse than your bite. I will admit that there was a time when I really disliked you because you seemed to represent everything I hated about God's Church. I don't see you that way anymore and haven't for a long time. I am sorry that my post to NITW gave you the impression I wanted all the conservatives to hit the road.

[commonsense]

Bro Epley, we want you to stay.
It's always good to have more than one viewpoint on a topic. Even if I don't agree I like the balance and input given.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Glad you aren't leaving. Wonder if I'd get that much attention if I said I was leaving?:tease

[Michael Phelps]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

Elder, I, for one, would absolutely HATE to see you leave this forum.

I do not agree with you on some issues, but I have always appreciated your honesty, integrity, and sincerity when it comes to your opinions. AND, I enjoy your sense of humor!

My vote is "NO" you should NOT leave this forum.

[nwlife]

I don't want to see you go...You bring a balance that my generation rarely sees.

shalom and God Bless.

[Rhoni]

I don't want to see you go...You bring a balance that my generation rarely sees.

shalom and God Bless.

LOL. There may not be any balance for your particular generation, but I wouldn't call Bro. Epley balanced:). I would say that you are on opposite ends of the spectrum and between you both may be a little balance:tease Let's get on with real life here and Bro. Epley is aware that we love his pits despite the fact his belief system is faulty:aaa

[CC1]

It was never my intention to eliticit this typeof response in all honesty I only wanted to know the feelings of the adms. I believe in being a gentleman and not injecting yourself where you are not wanted. I do not want to leave I have enjoyed fussing with y'all. I just didn't want to be an unwanted intrusion. Thanks for all the nice comments and I am not thin skinned I just wanted to know the wishes of the owners. By the way Rico pmed me and I guess I misunderstood his posts. I certainly bear no ill toward him nor anyone here.

I am glad the matter is settled! You can look at your time here as missionary work!

[Tim Rutledge]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

Elder, You being on this forum is what made me think it was ok. to be on this forum. If you leave this forum, let me know where your posting. I do not learn and grow from Charismatic liberals. No TV,No Hollywood, No cut hair on woman, No slits, No wedding bands, long sleeves, No competetitive sports, Bishop the husband of 1 wife, and I could probably go on and on.. I agree with all of it. If your asked to leave, I'll leave. God bless.

[Esther]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

You are most welcome here as all posters who abide by the rules. A divert of views is what makes the forum what it is. :)

Please feel welcome to stay and post. :)

[Esther]

This is what I posted on the other thread where you
asked this


That's a Question that only Mike, Renda and the other
Owners and Admin. can decide. Most of them are Xpentecostal,
charismatic or very liberal so I'm not sure where you will come
down on this Bro Epley.

FCF was certainly a miracle or sorts. I use to think that only the
conservatives like CAF only wanted like minded people on their
forum but perhaps the same can be true for an Xpentecostal
site???

Mark I hope you are NOT calling this an Xpentecostal site! :club

[Timmy]

Elder, You being on this forum is what made me think it was ok. to be on this forum. If you leave this forum, let me know where your posting. I do not learn and grow from Charismatic liberals. No TV,No Hollywood, No cut hair on woman, No slits, No wedding bands, long sleeves, No competetitive sports, Bishop the husband of 1 wife, and I could probably go on and on.. I agree with all of it. If your asked to leave, I'll leave. God bless.

You can join the Steve Epley Fan Club at www.NoBobbedHairWomenInTheBride.org!

[Cindy]

LOL. There may not be any balance for your particular generation, but I wouldn't call Bro. Epley balanced:). I would say that you are on opposite ends of the spectrum and between you both may be a little balance:tease Let's get on with real life here and Bro. Epley is aware that we love his pits despite the fact his belief system is faulty:aaa

Girl,:ursofunny

:tease

[Michael Phelps]

Elder, You being on this forum is what made me think it was ok. to be on this forum. If you leave this forum, let me know where your posting. I do not learn and grow from Charismatic liberals. No TV,No Hollywood, No cut hair on woman, No slits, No wedding bands, long sleeves, No competetitive sports, Bishop the husband of 1 wife, and I could probably go on and on.. I agree with all of it. If your asked to leave, I'll leave. God bless.

Just curious, TR, not that I am criticizing your viewpoints, but where is your scripture for long sleeves and no competitive sports?

And, can you define competitive sports for me? Does that include softball games at church camp or church picnics?

I'd just like to hear your thoughts.

[pelathais]

You can join the Steve Epley Fan Club at www.NoBobbedHairWomenInTheBride.org (http://www.NoBobbedHairWomenInTheBride.org)!
I get DNS errors with that??? It's almost like you're just making that up.

Anyways, you reminded me of a book I saw during my time at "HQ's." Different publishers would send all kinds of promotional and samples to the Publishing House all the time. There was a set of shelves "in the back" where a lot of stuff went that no one really wanted to have "up front."

Once I found a book entitled "Bobbed Hair, Bossy Wives and Women Preachers" in the back. I have regreted not buying that book ever since.

[Cindy]

Just curious, TR, not that I am criticizing your viewpoints, but where is your scripture for long sleeves and no competitive sports?

And, can you define competitive sports for me? Does that include softball games at church camp or church picnics?

I'd just like to hear your thoughts.

If there is a winner and a loser, it is competitive. IMO.

[Timmy]

I get DNS errors with that??? It's almost like you're just making that up.
Hehe, yeah. Almost.

Anyways, you reminded me of a book I saw during my time at "HQ's." Different publishers would send all kinds of promotional and samples to the Publishing House all the time. There was a set of shelves "in the back" where a lot of stuff went that no one really wanted to have "up front."

Once I found a book entitled "Bobbed Hair, Bossy Wives and Women Preachers" in the back. I have regreted not buying that book ever since.
Oh man, that's too bad. And you reminded me of a plaque I saw in an in-flight catalog once. One of those nice, framed, inspirational plaques. The title was "Quality". In the inspirational text, I counted at least 3, maybe 4, grammatical and punctuation errors! And, yeah, I've regretted not buying it right then. Never saw it in a catalog again.

[Steve Epley]

I get DNS errors with that??? It's almost like you're just making that up.

Anyways, you reminded me of a book I saw during my time at "HQ's." Different publishers would send all kinds of promotional and samples to the Publishing House all the time. There was a set of shelves "in the back" where a lot of stuff went that no one really wanted to have "up front."

Once I found a book entitled "Bobbed Hair, Bossy Wives and Women Preachers" in the back. I have regreted not buying that book ever since.

That was a great book even if a Baptist wrote it.

[pelathais]

That was a great book even if a Baptist wrote it.
You know, some how I figured if I was holding a copy to give to you for your birthday - it would turn out that you already had one. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Steve Epley]

You know, some how I figured if I was holding a copy to give to you for your birthday - it would turn out that you already had one. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I wouldn't mind having two Solomon said two are better than one.:whistle

[rgcraig]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

No Way.

[Carpenter]

I post this on is AFF an Apostolic thread. It seems somewould like for me to go.If the adms desires that I will leave. JY asked me to join FCF about 6 years ago I have enjoyed discussing Bible topics with y'all and have been posting with many until it seems I know you. My manner of posting has been pointed from the beginning if anything I may be milder than the beginning. There has been this change on this forum that at times it has seemed a 'ex or anti' site from SOME. I will do what I am asked to do? I decided to make this thread in case my post wasn't seen on the other thread.

This place would be lousy without you brother Epley, well...more lousy if you were to leave.

[pelathais]

No Way.
Hey Render! Your baby bro has really grown into a man, there. But who's your sister-in-law in the avatar pic?

[rgcraig]

Hey Render! Your baby bro has really grown into a man, there. But who's your sister-in-law in the avatar pic?

lol - daughter and son-in-law!

[Adino]

God bless you all. It's been fun. Thanks for the discussion on this and other threads. Vacation is over. Back to work now.

Continue to promote the wonderful salvation of grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

To God be the glory.

[StMark]

I have it on good word from an outside source( a preacher)
that an AFF owner asked Epley to leave the forum thus his reason
for starting this thread. Now, He will probably say it's not
so to keep the peace but we understand.
NOT trying to dredge this back up just wanted ya'll to
know the real deal on this

[RevDWW]

I have it on good word from an outside source( a preacher)
that an owner asked Epley to leave the forum thus his reason
for starting this thread. Now, He will probably say it's not
so to keep the peace but we understand.
NOT trying to dredge this back up just wanted ya'll to
know the real deal on thisAre you saying Bro. Epley would lie if asked? That seems to be a bit of a stretch.

[StMark]

Are you saying Bro. Epley would lie if asked? That seems to be a bit of a stretch.



NO of course not but he's a man of peace

[RevDWW]

I have it on good word from an outside source( a preacher)
that an owner asked Epley to leave the forum thus his reason
for starting this thread. Now, He will probably say it's not
so to keep the peace but we understand.
NOT trying to dredge this back up just wanted ya'll to
know the real deal on this

NO of course not but he's a man of peace

Sure sounds like you are saying he would lie about it to "keep the peace". Wouldn't it be a lie if you asked someone about something you knew to be true and they told you it was not, even if it was to "keep the peace"?

[StMark]

Sure sounds like you are saying he would lie about it to "keep the peace". Wouldn't it be a lie if you asked someone about something you knew to be true and they told you it was not, even if it was to "keep the peace"?


NO bro Epley would never lie but he could word things so
that he would not be lying yet keep the peace

[StMark]

Let me say and reword it like this: The word is out in the CON Camp
that Epley was asked by an owner to leave the forum.
Now, how that got around I don't know I really don't BUT
that's what they are believing!!!!!!!!
AND then EPley starts a thread like this????????????????

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.....

[Admin]

Let me say and reword it like this: The word is out in the CON Camp
that Epley was asked by an owner to leave the forum.
Now, how that got around I don't know I really don't BUT
that's what they are believing!!!!!!!!
AND then EPley starts a thread like this????????????????

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Nobody asked Steve Epley to leave.

[Hoovie]

ST Mark, Rico needs you to vote on his thread.

[Rico]

This is ridiculous. Brother Epley started this thread because he thought I was saying all the conservatives needed to hit the road in a post I made to Narrow Is The Way. He told me that himself, and I highly doubt he would lie to me about it.

[rgcraig]

This is ridiculous. Brother Epley started this thread because he thought I was saying all the conservatives needed to hit the road in a post I made to Narrow Is The Way. He told me that himself, and I highly doubt he would lie to me about it.

Mark is just trying to stir the pot, but it gets old when it's down right untrue.

[rgcraig]

Let me say and reword it like this: The word is out in the CON Camp
that Epley was asked by an owner to leave the forum.
Now, how that got around I don't know I really don't BUT
that's what they are believing!!!!!!!!
AND then EPley starts a thread like this????????????????

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Well, I'm afraid your "good word from an outside source" had a bad word.

Checking in here - - The AFF Owners, Tina, Renda, The Mrs., Mow and Prax DID NOT, HAVE NOT and WILL NOT ask Bro. Epley to leave the forum.

[The Mrs]

I have it on good word from an outside source( a preacher)
that an AFF owner asked Epley to leave the forum thus his reason
for starting this thread. Now, He will probably say it's not
so to keep the peace but we understand.
NOT trying to dredge this back up just wanted ya'll to
know the real deal on this

Uummm...current? Or former?

Cuz former owner's wishes wouldn't count anymore. :tease

:D :D :D :D :D

[Steve Epley]

The Adms has NOT asked me to leave and has stated just the opposite both on the forum and in pms. The misunderstanding was from Rico and he cleared that up. Mark you should recheck your sources.

[ReformedDave]

Mark you should recheck your sources.

Why? The story is more important than the truth.

[Tina]

I have it on good word from an outside source( a preacher)
that an AFF owner asked Epley to leave the forum thus his reason
for starting this thread. Now, He will probably say it's not
so to keep the peace but we understand.
NOT trying to dredge this back up just wanted ya'll to
know the real deal on this

Let me say and reword it like this: The word is out in the CON Camp
that Epley was asked by an owner to leave the forum.
Now, how that got around I don't know I really don't BUT
that's what they are believing!!!!!!!!
AND then EPley starts a thread like this????????????????

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Maybe you need to stop listening to whatever you're hearing on good word from your preacher source from the CON camp. It seems that a lot of untrue things are being told over there. Sounds to me like someone hasn't read what the Bible says about gossip and liars. Apparently someone is enjoying sowing discord and keeping something stirred up.


The Adms has NOT asked me to leave and has stated just the opposite both on the forum and in pms. The misunderstanding was from Rico and he cleared that up. Mark you should recheck your sources.

Thank you Bro Epley for clearing this up. :)

[CC1]

why? The story is more important than the truth.

roflmbo!!!!!!!!!!

[CC1]

Why? The story is more important than the truth.

Kind of reminds me of the time St. Mark tried to characterize Randy Phillips Promiseland West church in Austin as a "split" of his daddy's church when in fact it was not and Randy still preaches a lot at the main Promiseland and at least until recently officed there. Not to mention he is listed on the main Promiseland website and all of the other Promiseland Churches are clearly affiliated with the main one.

[freeatlast]

24 pages of posts....good job Mark.

[StMark]

I was relating to you all that this is the word going
around amongst the cons that are NOT on AFF.
Why do you all always come after the messenger???
If anyone else conveyed that there was a rumor out
there about this you wouldn't be on their case like
you are doing to me

CC, just because you attended there doesn't mean
you know everything that goes on i don't know everything
of course but I still believe those that told what they told me
about this situation since their was a doctrinal split

[rgcraig]

I was relating to you all that this is the word going
around amongst the cons that are NOT on AFF.
Why do you all always come after the messenger???
If anyone else conveyed that there was a rumor out
there about this you wouldn't be on their case like
you are doing to me

CC, just because you attended there doesn't mean
you know everything that goes on i don't know everything
of course but I still believe those that told what they told me
about this situation since their was a doctrinal split

Hey Mark!

Well, you can get the word circulated "out there in con land" that Admins have not and will not ask Epley to leave. Someone is telling stories if that has been circulating out there!

He's always been welcome here!!!

[StillStanding]

I was relating to you all that this is the word going
around amongst the cons that are NOT on AFF.
Why do you all always come after the messenger???
If anyone else conveyed that there was a rumor out
there about this you wouldn't be on their case like
you are doing to me

CC, just because you attended there doesn't mean
you know everything that goes on i don't know everything
of course but I still believe those that told what they told me
about this situation since their was a doctrinal split

Mark, you just need to consider the source of the rumors you hear! Remember that there are sometimes ulterior motives in starting a rumor! :D

[Rhymis]

Bishop/evangelist/troublemaker Epley ---- YES... you are being asked to leave ---- and don't let the keyboard hit you on the backside on the way out!. ......

:tease




(I always wanted to tell him that) :aaa



:snapout

[Tina]

Bishop/evangelist/troublemaker Epley ---- YES... you are being asked to leave ---- and don't let the keyboard hit you on the backside on the way out!. ......

:tease




(I always wanted to tell him that) :aaa



:snapout

I've always wanted to say that to someone too, but certainly not Bro Epley. :D

Rhymis, it's nice to see you posting... even if it is to tease Bro Epley.

[dizzyde]

I have it on good word from an outside source( a preacher)
that an AFF owner asked Epley to leave the forum thus his reason
for starting this thread. Now, He will probably say it's not
so to keep the peace but we understand.
NOT trying to dredge this back up just wanted ya'll to
know the real deal on this

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t209/deannamullings/funny%20icons/argh.gif

[jaxfam6]

Has anyone seen or heard from Steve E lately?

[revrandy]

Brother Epley is doing great...

[jaxfam6]

Brother Epley is doing great...

That is good to know. Thank you Randy

[Jermyn Davidson]

Brother Epley is doing great...


Tell him I recently heard him preach and enjoyed the sermon.

[TJJJ]

This is not a conservative FORUM?

No wonder everyone was jumping me when I said women dutting their hair was wrong!