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StillStanding
07-17-2008, 09:57 AM
Is JJ a racist? Didn't he demand a public apology from Michael Richards of "Steinfield" for saying the word during a comedy routine?

Is it fair for African Americans to use the "N" word as a term of endearment to each other, then turn around and lambaste a person from any other ethnic group that says it?

Rico
07-17-2008, 10:01 AM
It's all in how ya say it, Pianoman.

Jack Shephard
07-17-2008, 10:01 AM
Is JJ a racist? Didn't he demand a public apology from Michael Richards of "Steinfield" for saying the word during a comedy routine?

Is it fair for African Americans to use the "N" word as a term of endearment to each other, then turn around and lambaste a person from any other ethnic group that says it?

You are right. Goes to show you that with in a persons own race they can say what they want too and never get into trouble. I hear my black friend call each other the 'N' word. No problems. I don't call my wife friends 'cracker'. I guess it is like one mexican saying 'buey' to another mexican? Not that the words mean the same, but me a white guy would not be safe saying buey to just any mexican similar to if I said the 'N' word to a black person. buey=ox, but in very negitive spin on it. Am I right?

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 10:02 AM
al sharpton said that is not the jesse we all know and love, puke, dt

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 10:04 AM
al sharpton said that is not the jesse we all know and love, puke, dt

That also was not the Michael Richards we all know and love from "Seinfelt"! Somehow it didn't matter then!

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 10:05 AM
It's all in how ya say it, Pianoman.
So it's OK to say it, if you say it in an endearing way?

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:09 AM
That also was not the Michael Richards we all know and love from "Seinfelt"! Somehow it didn't matter then!

In all fairness, the content and tone of what Richards said went way beyond the use of the "N word". He could have made the statements about lynching, etc and not even used the word and still been as offensive. However, using the word in the context of everything else he was saying was very offensive to many people and has changed their perception of the Kramer they "knew".
Jesse Jackson should have known better than to use that word in that setting as well, but there is a BIG difference.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 10:10 AM
i agree tstew it is diff, but still no excuse for jesse the bigot

Rico
07-17-2008, 10:13 AM
So it's OK to say it, if you say it in an endearing way?

Depends on who you are, how you use it, and how well you know the people you are using it around.

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:19 AM
Is JJ a racist? Didn't he demand a public apology from Michael Richards of "Steinfield" for saying the word during a comedy routine?
Is it fair for African Americans to use the "N" word as a term of endearment to each other, then turn around and lambaste a person from any other ethnic group that says it?

I think that if he had used the word during a "comedy routine" the response would have been vastly different. I have heard White comedians use the word during their regular routine and there is no outcry. What occurred with Richards was clearly not a part of a comedy routine, but a moment of real-life exposure. He stopped his comedy routine to start the exchange.

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 10:20 AM
Depends on who you are, how you use it, and how well you know the people you are using it around.

Still seems like a double standard to me.

Rico
07-17-2008, 10:22 AM
Still seems like a double standard to me.

Maybe, but that's the way it is. I have a white friend who has a fit if I call him hillbilly, even though I know for a fact he lived in a run down trailer for over a year with no running water and no toilet.

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 10:25 AM
Maybe, but that's the way it is. I have a white friend who has a fit if I call him hillbilly, even though I know for a fact he lived in a run down trailer for over a year with no running water and no toilet.

So basically you are calling him white trash, so if someone lives in the ghetto that would make it ok?

BrotherEastman
07-17-2008, 10:26 AM
Maybe, but that's the way it is. I have a white friend who has a fit if I call him hillbilly, even though I know for a fact he lived in a run down trailer for over a year with no running water and no toilet.
My wife calls me a hillbilly. (and I'm a Hoosier) go figure.

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 10:30 AM
I think that if he had used the word during a "comedy routine" the response would have been vastly different. I have heard White comedians use the word during their regular routine and there is no outcry. What occurred with Richards was clearly not a part of a comedy routine, but a moment of real-life exposure. He stopped his comedy routine to start the exchange.
Now that I recall, it was indeed a heated exchange with a patron. However, if African Americans want the word to cease to exist from other ethnic groups, wouldn't it be best if they themselves stopped using it?

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 10:31 AM
I had a VERY comfortable situation this past weekend.

We were decorating for the reception and my ex-MIL said she was sweating like a "n". I was floored!!!!!

That generation just doesn't think. I was just glad that no one was in the ballroom at the time she blurted that stupidity out.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 10:33 AM
I had a VERY comfortable situation this past weekend.

We were decorating for the reception and my ex-MIL said she was sweating like a "n". I was floored!!!!!

That generation just doesn't think. I was just glad that no one was in the ballroom at the time she blurted that stupidity out.

omg, sounds like them

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:34 AM
So basically you are calling him white trash, so if someone lives in the ghetto that would make it ok?

Baron, the best analogy I can think of (even though it is to a much lesser degree) is the difference between Jeff Foxworthy talking about rednecks, and somebody else who is not a self-professed redneck. If there was someone talking to "rednecks" about "rednecks" who was not one and if there was the possiblity that they really are derogatory towards them, they may be perceived a little differently.
I say that it is an analogy to a much lesser degree because you would have to multiply the emotional response to the word by 1,000 with the "N word".
I personally don't like it, but there are many kids of many races who do use the word with each other and their Black friends with no problems because they do all know that it is not coming from a derogatory place in them.

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:36 AM
Now that I recall, it was indeed a heated exchange with a patron. However, if African Americans want the word to cease to exist from other ethnic groups, wouldn't it be best if they themselves stopped using it?

There are many who do push for the word to not be used, but there are some people that will use that word in a derogatory way no matter what. I don't believe that Michael Richards went there because he heard some rapper or somebody use the word, it came from a place deep down in him.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 10:36 AM
if we want change, i like the speech morgan freeman gave denzel washington in the movie glory, if we dont change then we are what we are, really

Ferd
07-17-2008, 10:40 AM
Baron, the best analogy I can think of (even though it is to a much lesser degree) is the difference between Jeff Foxworthy talking about rednecks, and somebody else who is not a self-professed redneck. If there was someone talking to "rednecks" about "rednecks" who was not one and if there was the possiblity that they really are derogatory towards them, they may be perceived a little differently.
I say that it is an analogy to a much lesser degree because you would have to multiply the emotional response to the word by 1,000 with the "N word".
I personally don't like it, but there are many kids of many races who do use the word with each other and their Black friends with no problems because they do all know that it is not coming from a derogatory place in them.


my friend, the analogy fails. non-rednecks talk about rednecks in nasty terms all the time. nobody thinks there is anything wrong with that because rednecks are white.

look we live in a world where there is a clear disconnect. if a white guy speaks derogatorally of blacks he is a racist and will denounced widely.

if a black person speaks negativly about whites, they are hailed as heros.

ever hear a black person "sounding white"
ever see a white person get away with "acting black"?

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:40 AM
I had a VERY comfortable situation this past weekend.

We were decorating for the reception and my ex-MIL said she was sweating like a "n". I was floored!!!!!

That generation just doesn't think. I was just glad that no one was in the ballroom at the time she blurted that stupidity out.

There are some who are so subconsciously programmed, there isn't much you can do. I will say though that what does confuse and concern me are the "Holy Ghost filled" ones with the "regenerated minds"...
I guess there is a possibilty that she was repeating a slang statement she had heard and didn't necessarily mean something directly to someone, but all the same it is probably good that there weren't any "sisters" working nearby . :girlfriend

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 10:41 AM
Baron, the best analogy I can think of (even though it is to a much lesser degree) is the difference between Jeff Foxworthy talking about rednecks, and somebody else who is not a self-professed redneck. If there was someone talking to "rednecks" about "rednecks" who was not one and if there was the possiblity that they really are derogatory towards them, they may be perceived a little differently.
I say that it is an analogy to a much lesser degree because you would have to multiply the emotional response to the word by 1,000 with the "N word".
I personally don't like it, but there are many kids of many races who do use the word with each other and their Black friends with no problems because they do all know that it is not coming from a derogatory place in them.

Except for the fact I have watched black people call each other the "N" word when trying to provoke a fight, so blacks use it as a slur as well.

Ferd
07-17-2008, 10:42 AM
Look folks this one is simple. Jesse Jackson is a political liberal. that means he can say the N word how ever he likes.

that ability is not extended to political conservitives.

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 10:44 AM
There are some who are so subconsciously programmed, there isn't much you can do. I will say though that what does confuse and concern me are the "Holy Ghost filled" ones with the "regenerated minds"...
I guess there is a possibilty that she was repeating a slang statement she had heard and didn't necessarily mean something directly to someone, but all the same it is probably good that there weren't any "sisters" working nearby . :girlfriend

I guess, but still it's wrong! I'm pretty sure she grew up hearing that slang as just being normal in the boot heel of Missouri.

I did take a quick look around because earlier there had been some "brothers" in there.

I just told her that she shouldn't be saying that.

Ferd
07-17-2008, 10:45 AM
question what do
Jesse Jackson
Robert Byrd
Lt. Gov of California Bustamonte

all have in common?

they all used the N word, they all are political liberals and they all got ZERO retrabution for it!

now, as Trent Lott what he thinks about that.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 10:46 AM
Look folks this one is simple. Jesse Jackson is a political liberal. that means he can say the N word how ever he likes.

that ability is not extended to political conservitives.

you mean like bob byrd, lol

Ferd
07-17-2008, 10:46 AM
you mean like bob byrd, lol

oh the list is Loooong my brother.

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:47 AM
my friend, the analogy fails. non-rednecks talk about rednecks in nasty terms all the time. nobody thinks there is anything wrong with that because rednecks are white.

look we live in a world where there is a clear disconnect. if a white guy speaks derogatorally of blacks he is a racist and will denounced widely.

if a black person speaks negativly about whites, they are hailed as heros.

ever hear a black person "sounding white"
ever see a white person get away with "acting black"?

Ferd, I'm not sure where you live, but in most places you see it all the time. There is even a word for it. :)

As for the analogy, I said up front that it is to a much lesser degree because of the history of the word and it's usage. My whole point is that it will be perceived differently by the ones listening. I know that there is not a huge public outcry when someone talks about rednecks in nasty terms, but that doesn't change the fact that a "redneck" will feel differently about them saying it as opposed to Jeff Foxworthy. That was the extent of the analogy.

For the most part as well Blacks do not hail a black speaking negatively of whites as "heroes".

In my opinion the content of what Michael Richards said was just offensive and not part of any comedy routine.

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:48 AM
Except for the fact I have watched black people call each other the "N" word when trying to provoke a fight, so blacks use it as a slur as well.

Baron, but it still cannot be viewed as the specifically racial slur that it has been in the past when others used it.

Rico
07-17-2008, 10:49 AM
Except for the fact I have watched black people call each other the "N" word when trying to provoke a fight, so blacks use it as a slur as well.

True. That's why I say it depends on how the word is being used, who is using it, and with whom it is being used.

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 10:50 AM
Since we are on the subject what about schools banning or editing Tom Sawyer because it uses the term?

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:50 AM
Look folks this one is simple. Jesse Jackson is a political liberal. that means he can say the N word how ever he likes.

that ability is not extended to political conservitives.

Ferd, I know many black Republicans that use the word and not have a fallout. But to think that Byrd or Lott would be viewed in the same light is not realistic.

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:53 AM
Since we are on the subject what about schools banning or editing Tom Sawyer because it uses the term?

I'm not really sure, but I would not have a problem with it being edited for younger kids.

Ron
07-17-2008, 10:54 AM
Question, is the word offensive?

At least to a vast majority it is, so I wouldn't feel it is appropriate not matter the colour of the person.

Question, is saying the word black in reference to a race-bad?
I say at times, "boy them black Churches sure no how to worship!"

BTW My Pastor now is African American (Black) & is a good man!

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 10:55 AM
I'm not really sure, but I would not have a problem with it being edited for younger kids.

My daughter didn't even know the "n" word until she was in high school and heard black kids calling each other that.

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 10:55 AM
Question, is the word offensive?

At least to a vast majority it is, so I wouldn't feel it is appropriate not matter the colour of the person.

Question, is saying the word black in reference to a race-bad?
I say at times, "boy them black Churches sure no how to worship!"

BTW My Pastor now is African American (Black) & is a good man!

Do you say African-Canadian up there?

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 10:57 AM
Tstew, I'm just looking for consistency. If blacks wants the word banished by other ethnic groups (and it should be!), they should seek to banish it for themselves too! The hammer should fall equally.

Ron
07-17-2008, 10:57 AM
Do you say African-Canadian up there?

Ahh, no, but you have a point.
We do say, "he is East Indian or he is Indo-Canadian."
Although there is a big furor over using Hyphens.

Most think it is being too politically correct.

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 10:58 AM
Since we are on the subject.......why can't we just all be Americans (well, excluding the Canadians)?

If you are born in American you are an American!

Ron
07-17-2008, 10:58 AM
Tstew, I'm just looking for consistency. If blacks wants the word banished by other ethnic groups (and it should be!), they should seek to banish it for themselves too! The hammer should fall equally.

Amen, that is fair.

Ferd
07-17-2008, 10:58 AM
my friend, the analogy fails. non-rednecks talk about rednecks in nasty terms all the time. nobody thinks there is anything wrong with that because rednecks are white.

look we live in a world where there is a clear disconnect. if a white guy speaks derogatorally of blacks he is a racist and will denounced widely.

if a black person speaks negativly about whites, they are hailed as heros.

ever hear a black person "sounding white"
ever see a white person get away with "acting black"?

Ferd, I'm not sure where you live, but in most places you see it all the time. There is even a word for it. :)

As for the analogy, I said up front that it is to a much lesser degree because of the history of the word and it's usage. My whole point is that it will be perceived differently by the ones listening. I know that there is not a huge public outcry when someone talks about rednecks in nasty terms, but that doesn't change the fact that a "redneck" will feel differently about them saying it as opposed to Jeff Foxworthy. That was the extent of the analogy.

For the most part as well Blacks do not hail a black speaking negatively of whites as "heroes".

In my opinion the content of what Michael Richards said was just offensive and not part of any comedy routine.

let me be clear on one ponit.

IMHO the "N" word is a cuss word and is a vile to me as hearing a 4 letter word. there is no excuse for ever using it. there is no excuse for racist behavior. racism is a sin that will exclude a persons entrance from heaven. period.

my point is that our enforcement is selective. used in the same context with the same force, one person will be given a pass in our society because they are liberals and are usefull in advancing the cause dejure while another will be roasted and disposed of because they are either not a liberal, or no longer matter (see what happened to Bill Clinton a couple of months ago.)

racism is a TOOL of liberalism. It is NOT a sistemic problem in our society.

well it is a sistemic problem in our society, but it is not treated like that any longer. liberals have figured out they can get more mileage out of using it as their personal tool

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 10:58 AM
Ferd, I know many black Republicans that use the word and not have a fallout. But to think that Byrd or Lott would be viewed in the same light is not realistic.

hey bro i agree, trent lott was talking to an old man about his history and bob byrd said it, i agree there is no comparison, a republican would have been shunned and ridiculed for what rob byrd said, really

Ron
07-17-2008, 10:59 AM
Since we are on the subject.......why can't we just all be Americans (well, excluding the Canadians)?

If you are born in American you are an American!

They say the same thing in Canada, we are all Canadians, warts and all!

Well at least some are.

Ferd
07-17-2008, 11:00 AM
Ferd, I know many black Republicans that use the word and not have a fallout. But to think that Byrd or Lott would be viewed in the same light is not realistic.

name one conservitive black politican who has gotten away with a racist rant of any kind.

and you are right byrd and lott wont be because the grand dragon of the kkk robert byrd is a liberal.

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 11:01 AM
They say the same thing in Canada, we are all Canadians, warts and all!

Well at least some are.
Just curious, are blacks called African-Canadians there? :)

Nahum
07-17-2008, 11:01 AM
JJ is a racist. What if Obama had used this word? Would he get a free pass too? I think there is a huge lack of respect for JJ and the Reverend Al because of the unbelievable double standard they live by. They are nothing more than opportunists who prey on every racial issue in America in the hopes of extorting money for themselves. We need more Bill Cosby's and less JJ's.

tamor
07-17-2008, 11:01 AM
Since we are on the subject.......why can't we just all be Americans (well, excluding the Canadians)?

If you are born in American you are an American!


Amen!

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:03 AM
Just curious, are blacks called African-Canadians there? :)

Already been addressed to same question from Baron


Ahh, no, but you have a point.
We do say, "he is East Indian or he is Indo-Canadian."
Although there is a big furor over using Hyphens.

Most think it is being too politically correct.

Ferd
07-17-2008, 11:04 AM
JJ is a racist. What if Obama had used this word? Would he get a free pass too? I think there is a huge lack of respect for JJ and the Reverend Al because of the unbelievable double standard they live by. They are nothing more than opportunists who prey on every racial issue in America in the hopes of extorting money for themselves. We need more Bill Cosby's and less JJ's.

liberals would give him a pass, but he would not get elected if he did it because white people in general are sick of the double standard.

jesse jackson is a pure racist.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 11:04 AM
i agree, american is american, no hyphens, dt

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:05 AM
Now don't get me wrong, we may be a more tolerant country but racism still exists in Canada too.

Mrs. LPW
07-17-2008, 11:05 AM
Since we are on the subject.......why can't we just all be Americans (well, excluding the Canadians)?

If you are born in American you are an American!

Canadians are "American" too. North American. :D
I've used the term "African American" in reference to someone who was Canadian and black...

I find up here, it's much less of an issue the term you use for the African American, obviously because we didn't have the slavery issue.

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:07 AM
Canadians are "American" too. North American. :D
I've used the term "African American" in reference to someone who was Canadian and black...

I find up here, it's much less of an issue the term you use for the African American, obviously because we didn't have the slavery issue.

Amen, not only that but Canada actually helped and was a haven for those fleeing slavery or persecution because of thier colour in the States.

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 11:08 AM
Canadians are "American" too. North American. :D
I've used the term "African American" in reference to someone who was Canadian and black...

I find up here, it's much less of an issue the term you use for the African American, obviously because we didn't have the slavery issue.

I just feel that it fuels the separatism issue by calling blacks African-Americans. They are Americans.

I don't call myself Irish-European-Swedish American! Besides there's not a box to check for that!

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:08 AM
Tstew, I'm just looking for consistency. If blacks wants the word banished by other ethnic groups (and it should be!), they should seek to banish it for themselves too! The hammer should fall equally.

There are a lot of people who look to do that. Part of the problem is that the "pass" I gave Rg's MIL unfortunately applies here too. It is very ingrained in some people's vernacular and it is almost impossible for them to go there when talking colloquially (case in point Richard Pryor after he made the public committment to no longer use the word. He cut way back but would still slip up at times).
But all of that doesn't change the fact that words in and of themselves do not really have the power. It is the motive and meaning that we assign to words that make them powerful, and it is very possible for two people to use the same word and have very dramatic differences in motive and meaning.
Personally for me I have no real desire to use the word, but I also find it a little strange that it seems to mean a lot to some white people that they are not "allowed" to use it. The thing is that many of the people who make the argument have no desire to use it, so what's the point? If I was told that Mexicans call each other some word, but it would not be wise for me to do so, I would just say "Oh OK" and move on with my life.

tamor
07-17-2008, 11:10 AM
I just feel that it fuels the separatism issue by calling blacks African-Americans. They are Americans.

I don't call myself Irish-European-Swedish American! Besides there's not a box to check for that!

You could always check "other"....

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:10 AM
name one conservitive black politican who has gotten away with a racist rant of any kind.
and you are right byrd and lott wont be because the grand dragon of the kkk robert byrd is a liberal.

See there's the problem. I didn't say anything about a "racist rant" and I'm certainly not saying that anyone should get away with any of those. The use of the "N word" is not synonomous with a racist rant in my opinion.

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 11:11 AM
Amen, not only that but Canada actually helped and was a haven for those fleeing slavery or persecution because of thier colour in the States.
So you get a break because your ancestors (8 to 10 generations ago) weren't slave owners? Guess what, I checked and my ancestors were just poor cotton pickers! I couldn't find any slave owners in my family tree.

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:11 AM
I just feel that it fuels the separatism issue by calling blacks African-Americans. They are Americans.

I don't call myself Irish-European-Swedish American! Besides there's not a box to check for that!

So that's where the pretty blue eyes come from.

My Grandma & Grandad on my dad's side came over from Norway & had a saying.

"10,000 Swedes ran through the Veeds chased by vun Norwegian!":whistle


Maybe that isn't PC Either!

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 11:13 AM
So that's where the pretty blue eyes come from.

My Grandma & Grandad on my dad's side came over from Norway & had a saying.

"10,000 Swedes ran through the Veeds chased by vun Norwegian!":whistle


Maybe that isn't PC Either!

LOL!

Ferd
07-17-2008, 11:13 AM
See there's the problem. I didn't say anything about a "racist rant" and I'm certainly not saying that anyone should get away with any of those. The use of the "N word" is not synonomous with a racist rant in my opinion.

ok. lets go there, name a conservitive black who has said the n word in public and not been taken to task.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 11:14 AM
i found a bunch of dirt farmers and indentured servants in my family tree, no slave owners, dt

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:14 AM
So you get a break because your ancestors (8 to 10 generations ago) weren't slave owners? Guess what, I checked and my ancestors were just poor cotton pickers! I couldn't find any slave owners in my family tree.

No we don't Pianoman, in fact i9f you check our history we were just as bad when it came to race as others.

Chinese, Japanes, East Indians, Native Indians all have cause to hate Canada.

Horrible things were done.

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 11:15 AM
There are a lot of people who look to do that. Part of the problem is that the "pass" I gave Rg's MIL unfortunately applies here too. It is very ingrained in some people's vernacular and it is almost impossible for them to go there when talking colloquially (case in point Richard Pryor after he made the public committment to no longer use the word. He cut way back but would still slip up at times).
But all of that doesn't change the fact that words in and of themselves do not really have the power. It is the motive and meaning that we assign to words that make them powerful, and it is very possible for two people to use the same word and have very dramatic differences in motive and meaning.
Personally for me I have no real desire to use the word, but I also find it a little strange that it seems to mean a lot to some white people that they are not "allowed" to use it. The thing is that many of the people who make the argument have no desire to use it, so what's the point? If I was told that Mexicans call each other some word, but it would not be wise for me to do so, I would just say "Oh OK" and move on with my life.
Very good response! Maybe, just maybe, in a couple a generations the word will be nearly extinct like old English words! :) It will take everyone working together to banish it!

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:15 AM
I just feel that it fuels the separatism issue by calling blacks African-Americans. They are Americans.

I don't call myself Irish-European-Swedish American! Besides there's not a box to check for that!

U could call yourself Iesa for short. :D

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 11:16 AM
Very good response! Maybe, just maybe, in a couple a generations the word will be nearly extinct like old English words! :) It will take everyone working together to banish it!

amen

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:16 AM
ok. lets go there, name a conservitive black who has said the n word in public and not been taken to task.

I was not speaking about politicians necessarily. I am talking mainly about conservative Black people that I know. There are very few conservative Blacks even covered in the media (because that is not sensational enough). My point is that the issue is not as much about political leanings or parties as it is about the race and content of the person saying it.

Mrs. LPW
07-17-2008, 11:17 AM
I just feel that it fuels the separatism issue by calling blacks African-Americans. They are Americans.

I don't call myself Irish-European-Swedish American! Besides there's not a box to check for that!

I totally agree. I think the problem (for me) is that when you are describing people, you might have someone who would be offended that you called them black... It's a merry go round.

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:18 AM
Question, is the word offensive?

At least to a vast majority it is, so I wouldn't feel it is appropriate not matter the colour of the person.

Question, is saying the word black in reference to a race-bad?
I say at times, "boy them black Churches sure no how to worship!"

BTW My Pastor now is African American (Black) & is a good man!

No thoughts on the use of this term? (Black)

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 11:20 AM
It takes boths sides working to eradicate the racism and I too hope we can continue to strive to get there!

I mentioned this on another thread a couple weeks ago, but feel it's pertinent to this discussion too.

A black college here in Memphis - Lemoyne Owens had a commercial airing on the black gospel station that I listen to and it said, "attend a college where others look like you do and sound like you do" - - - I couldn't believe my ears!

It's 2008 and it was like it was in the 1950's!

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:21 AM
Here's something for y'all to think about. The word "honkey" is not considered derogatory among white folks. In fact, it's used in country music when referring to honkey tonks. However, if a black person calls a white person a "honkey" then it's fightin time. Same deal with the "n" word.

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 11:23 AM
Here's something for y'all to think about. The word "honkey" is not considered derogatory among white folks. In fact, it's used in country music when referring to honkey tonks. However, if a black person calls a white person a "honkey" then it's fightin time. Same deal with the "n" word.

White people don't call each other honkys. That's not a bar for white people.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 11:24 AM
when i was growing up, honkey tonks referring to country music bars, didnt have any neg relationship to us, we were all southern whites, to be honest the word honkey was racial since the 60s when i was in grammar school, no diff than the n word

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 11:27 AM
Is there anything in this definition that relates to white people?

A cheap, noisy bar or dance hall.

adj.
Of or relating to such a bar or dance hall; tawdry: a honky-tonk district; honky-tonk entertainers.
Of, relating to, or being a type of ragtime characteristically played on a tinny-sounding piano or in a honky-tonk.

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:27 AM
White people don't call each other honkys. That's not a bar for white people.

If a black man called you a honkey, would you get offended?

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:28 AM
It takes boths sides working to eradicate the racism and I too hope we can continue to strive to get there!

I mentioned this on another thread a couple weeks ago, but feel it's pertinent to this discussion too.

A black college here in Memphis - Lemoyne Owens had a commercial airing on the black gospel station that I listen to and it said, "attend a college where others look like you do and sound like you do" - - - I couldn't believe my ears!

It's 2008 and it was like it was in the 1950's!

I can't belive that they said that. There attendance must have been down or something.


I co-authored a lesson with my pastor on Evangelism into the Black community and one very real thing we did discuss was the fact that many times Black people cannot just assume that they are welcome in a place (a church for example) where the people do not look like them. That is why you will notice in cafeterias, or other places, Blacks will tend to drift towards each other because it is safe to assume that you are accepted and wanted there.
Things are certainly better but there are many pockets of emotion that run deep on all sides. I don't even read comments on AOL about news stories anymore because they always end up being about racial slurs and race hate.

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 11:28 AM
when i was growing up, honkey tonks referring to country music bars, didnt have any neg relationship to us, we were all southern whites, to be honest the word honkey was racial since the 60s when i was in grammar school, no diff than the n word

I don't care what someone calls me, just don't forget to call me for lunch! :D

I've been called honky, red-neck, cracker, etc., but it really doesn't bother me because I'm confident in who I am and who's I am!

Mrs. LPW
07-17-2008, 11:29 AM
Some of these words, I didn't even know about.. "honkey"? Remind me never to go into the Ghetto's alone. HA... You'd have to see me... I'm a "paleface" white as I can be. I don't tan, I do anything but burn!!!

In my humble opinion, the N- word shouldn't be used by either color.. black or white, because of the horrible past associations that have not been completely eradicated yet.
But I can understand it being used as a joke between one black person to another, even though I would still disagree with it's use.

I have friends who get a kick out of calling each other lewd names... "bas****" etc... they think it's funny. I don't really think it is... but if they aren't offending one another than it's no skin off my nose. (Not the same, I know, but still a dirty nasty name)

To me, no matter how JJ used the word, if it doesn't offend his "brothers" than ok. I can fully understand why it would offend a black person if I used it (even jokingly)... since I'm not black!

I think it's painfully obvious (even from some threads here on AFF) that Racism of any kind, causes deep deep deep wounds with lasting effects for many many generations.

I also think we can get so politically correct we aren't even sensible.

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 11:29 AM
If a black man called you a honkey, would you get offended?

1. Not if white people called me a honky. Which they don't.

2. Not if he wasn't offended if I called him the "n" word.

you will also notice that you freely throw around the term honky and you not one person has said n-----.

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:29 AM
BTW, are any of you planning on watching "Black in America" on CNN? It is a two part series, starting July 23.

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:29 AM
when i was growing up, honkey tonks referring to country music bars, didnt have any neg relationship to us, we were all southern whites, to be honest the word honkey was racial since the 60s when i was in grammar school, no diff than the n word

DT, you've got to realize that due to the history there is a big difference. To many people, due to the history, there is no other word like it.

Pro31:28
07-17-2008, 11:30 AM
If a black man called you a honkey, would you get offended?

I think I would crack up laughing!

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:30 AM
I can't belive that they said that. There attendance must have been down or something.


I co-authored a lesson with my pastor on Evangelism into the Black community and one very real thing we did discuss was the fact that many times Black people cannot just assume that they are welcome in a place (a church for example) where the people do not look like them. That is why you will notice in cafeterias, or other places, Blacks will tend to drift towards each other because it is safe to assume that you are accepted and wanted there.
Things are certainly better but there are many pockets of emotion that run deep on all sides. I don't even read comments on AOL about news stories anymore because they always end up being about racial slurs and race hate.

That is sad.
A person's colour don't mean a thing to me.
Character does.

Sassy
07-17-2008, 11:31 AM
I agree with you! :rooting
I was taught that to use the "n" word was very disrespectful. It is also my opinion that someone who is a public figure shouldn't use the "n" word because it has so many negative meanings. It offends so many people of different races.

tamor
07-17-2008, 11:31 AM
Here's something for y'all to think about. The word "honkey" is not considered derogatory among white folks. In fact, it's used in country music when referring to honkey tonks. However, if a black person calls a white person a "honkey" then it's fightin time. Same deal with the "n" word.


I've never heard a honky tonk referred to as a "white bar".....just a noisy, rowdy bar.

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:31 AM
1. Not if white people called me a honky. Which they don't.

2. Not if he wasn't offended if I called him the "n" word.

you will also notice that you freely throw around the term honky and you not one person has said n-----.

If I edited my post would that make you feel better?

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 11:31 AM
I don't care what someone calls me, just don't forget to call me for lunch! :D

I've been called honky, red-neck, cracker, etc., but it really doesn't bother me because I'm confident in who I am and who's I am!

It wouldn't bother me either. I've been called white girl before and that doesn't bother me.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 11:32 AM
I don't care what someone calls me, just don't forget to call me for lunch! :D

I've been called honky, red-neck, cracker, etc., but it really doesn't bother me because I'm confident in who I am and who's I am!

have to agree with that piano man, arm is gettin stronger, closer to golf

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:33 AM
I think I would crack up laughing!

Remember George Jefferson? He was supposed to be the opposite of Archie Bunker. :lol It was so much fun watching the two of them going at it!

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 11:33 AM
If I edited my post would that make you feel better?

Not at all. It show the double standard.

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 11:33 AM
I can't belive that they said that. There attendance must have been down or something.


I co-authored a lesson with my pastor on Evangelism into the Black community and one very real thing we did discuss was the fact that many times Black people cannot just assume that they are welcome in a place (a church for example) where the people do not look like them. That is why you will notice in cafeterias, or other places, Blacks will tend to drift towards each other because it is safe to assume that you are accepted and wanted there.
Things are certainly better but there are many pockets of emotion that run deep on all sides. I don't even read comments on AOL about news stories anymore because they always end up being about racial slurs and race hate.

I must admit that I have gotten uncomfortable at times when I realized that I was the only white person in a crowd of people. I wasn't threatened in any way, but just wondered why there wasn't any other white folks there. I guess our racial realization runs pretty deep, doesn't it? :D

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:33 AM
I don't care what someone calls me, just don't forget to call me for lunch! :D

I've been called honky, red-neck, cracker, etc., but it really doesn't bother me because I'm confident in who I am and who's I am!

A close friend and I when we were talking about "rythem" & "music" I said that
"I have no rythem (I don't) cuz I is a "cracker" (I am not, I am a mixture-a mutt)
and God didn't give me that gene!"

Was that wrong?

I am seriously asking advice.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 11:34 AM
If I edited my post would that make you feel better?

hey rico, jsut get the boat ready and lets go fishin, lol

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:37 AM
I must admit that I have gotten uncomfortable at times when I realized that I was the only white person in a crowd of people. I wasn't threatened in any way, but just wondered why there wasn't any other white folks there. I guess our racial realization runs pretty deep, doesn't it? :D

Things are much much better, but I still don't think that people can always assume that they are completely welcome and wanted in a group. Even in our discussions here about some people and situations we can see that there are people who clearly would not be welcoming or wanting people of other races.




















And depending on where you were with the crowd, maybe you should have felt a little threatened. :ursofunny

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:37 AM
hey rico, jsut get the boat ready and lets go fishin, lol

Hehehehe! Sounds like a plan. Haven't taken the boat even once this year. *sigh*

tamor
07-17-2008, 11:38 AM
Things are much much better, but I still don't think that people can always assume that they are completely welcome and wanted in a group. Even in our discussions here about some people and situations we can see that there are people who clearly would not be welcoming or wanting people of other races.


And depending on where you were with the crowd, maybe you should have felt a little threatened. :ursofunny

That was bad!! :ursofunny

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:38 AM
Not at all. It show the double standard.

Baron, if we were in a vacuum and everything was objective, apples to apples, I would agree. But there is a unique history here that cannot be ignored.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 11:39 AM
Hehehehe! Sounds like a plan. Haven't taken the boat even once this year. *sigh*

soon bro, we really should, soon, lol

tamor
07-17-2008, 11:39 AM
It wouldn't bother me either. I've been called white girl before and that doesn't bother me.

I get called white girl often. One of my best friends is black and her friends are always saying things about "that white girl that you hang out with". I just laugh and say, "Yes I am."

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 11:40 AM
Things are much much better, but I still don't think that people can always assume that they are completely welcome and wanted in a group. Even in our discussions here about some people and situations we can see that there are people who clearly would not be welcoming or wanting people of other races.




















And depending on where you were with the crowd, maybe you should have felt a little threatened. :ursofunny

Exactly!

There are MANY places here in Memphis I wouldn't want to be the only white person.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 11:41 AM
good attitude tamor, i had a bunch of black kids that i was friends with in high school, they all called me that white kid, lol

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:42 AM
Exactly!

There are MANY places here in Memphis I wouldn't want to be the only white person.

Is it really that bad?

tamor
07-17-2008, 11:42 AM
Is it really that bad?

Oh yeah. Some areas are.

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:43 AM
Exactly!

There are MANY places here in Memphis I wouldn't want to be the only white person.

There are many places in Memphis where I wouldn't want to be the only sane, law-abiding person. :ursofunny

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:43 AM
good attitude tamor, i had a bunch of black kids that i was friends with in high school, they all called me that white kid, lol

I was known as the kid with the Coke bottle!:whistle


Don't ask me my favourite soft drink now!:evilglee

tamor
07-17-2008, 11:43 AM
There are many places in Memphis where I wouldn't want to be the only sane, law-abiding person. :ursofunny

:ursofunny:ursofunny

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:43 AM
I've been able to get along with most ethic groups. I have had some trouble with white folks and racism over being hispanic though.

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 11:46 AM
There are many places in Memphis where I wouldn't want to be the only sane, law-abiding person. :ursofunny

You are RIGHT! Not so much a white/black issue then is it!

Yes, Ron it's that bad. However, most of the really bad stuff is within their own neighborhoods - - really sad.

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:46 AM
Oh yeah. Some areas are.

That is sad.

It makes a diffrence if you have the annointing though & know God is with you.

I remember Bro Albert Dillon told us some years ago about being involved in the Oregon State Prison system.

He said when you are in the yard & there are about 1,000 prisoners milling about you any of which could mean you harm by way of a shank or other such thing, he said, "you better be sure God is with you!"

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 11:47 AM
I was known as the kid with the Coke bottle!:whistle


Don't ask me my favourite soft drink now!:evilglee

Better than being known as the kid with the Coke bottle bottom glasses!

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:47 AM
I've been able to get along with most ethic groups. I have had some trouble with white folks and racism over being hispanic though.

That kind of stuff doesn't even get close to bothering me anymore.

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:50 AM
You are RIGHT! Not so much a white/black issue then is it!

Yes, Ron it's that bad. However, most of the really bad stuff is within their own neighborhoods - - really sad.

The only real issue we have with neighbourhoods in Vancouver is the East/West divide.
West side is where the rich live, like Goldie Hawn had a house there one time.
I live on the East side which is the cheaper end.

Most (not all) who live on the west side have airs & I can't stand that.

There are some really good people though that my wife works for & they are sooo nice!

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 11:50 AM
Things are much much better, but I still don't think that people can always assume that they are completely welcome and wanted in a group. Even in our discussions here about some people and situations we can see that there are people who clearly would not be welcoming or wanting people of other races.

And depending on where you were with the crowd, maybe you should have felt a little threatened. :ursofunny
There was one time when I sold a new Hammond with Leslie to a prominent black church in Nashville. They asked me to be their special guest for the first service with the new organ.

There were probably 600+ people there that Sunday. I looked around and Mrs. Pianoman and I were the ONLY whites there! :D

The organist asked us to sit next to her on the front row of pews, which we did.

Anyway, they took an offering in which everyone walked up to the front to put their money in a big basket. They had to walk right by us on the front row. As they walked by everyone would shake the hands of others that were sitting there. Most everyone shook my hand and seemed delighted That we were there. But........there were some who shook everyone else's hand, but refused to shake my hand when I extended my hand to them.

Maybe they just felt uncomfortable shaking a strangers hand, but a few gave me a "look" as they passed by.

I told Mrs. Pianoman that we now have a small glimpse of what blacks have had to overcome in the business world over time.

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:50 AM
Better than being known as the kid with the Coke bottle bottom glasses!

True!:ursofunny

Rico
07-17-2008, 11:53 AM
That kind of stuff doesn't even get close to bothering me anymore.

Normally I let that kind of ignorance pass, but we were getting threats of a cross burning in our front yard at the time, so I had to take it seriously.

Ron
07-17-2008, 11:55 AM
There was one time when I sold a new Hammond with Leslie to a prominent black church in Nashville. They asked me to be their special guest for the first service with the new organ.

There were probably 600+ people there that Sunday. I looked around and Mrs. Pianoman and I were the ONLY whites there! :D

The organist asked us to sit next to her on the front row of pews, which we did.

Anyway, they took an offering in which everyone walked up to the front to put their money in a big basket. They had to walk right by us on the front row. As they walked by everyone would shake the hands of others that were sitting there. Most everyone shook my hand and seemed delighted That we were there. But........there were some who shook everyone else's hand, but refused to shake my hand when I extended my hand to them.

Maybe they just felt uncomfortable shaking a strangers hand, but a few gave me a "look" as they passed by.

I told Mrs. Pianoman that we now have a small glimpse of what blacks have had to overcome in the business world over time.

Perspective is something.

tstew
07-17-2008, 11:57 AM
There was one time when I sold a new Hammond with Leslie to a prominent black church in Nashville. They asked me to be their special guest for the first service with the new organ.

There were probably 600+ people there that Sunday. I looked around and Mrs. Pianoman and I were the ONLY whites there! :D

The organist asked us to sit next to her on the front row of pews, which we did.

Anyway, they took an offering in which everyone walked up to the front to put their money in a big basket. They had to walk right by us on the front row. As they walked by everyone would shake the hands of others that were sitting there. Most everyone shook my hand and seemed delighted That we were there. But........there were some who shook everyone else's hand, but refused to shake my hand when I extended my hand to them.

Maybe they just felt uncomfortable shaking a strangers hand, but a few gave me a "look" as they passed by.

I told Mrs. Pianoman that we now have a small glimpse of what blacks have had to overcome in the business world over time.

Okay, you were probably safe then :).
That is so wrong of the people who would not shake your hand. I don't care what their past experiences have been, church ought to change you in my opinion.






Incidentally, I may need to talk to you about the new B3s or one of the new consoles

tstew
07-17-2008, 12:00 PM
Normally I let that kind of ignorance pass, but we were getting threats of a cross burning in our front yard at the time, so I had to take it seriously.

You might need to revisit the Texas thread from the other day when we were talking about shotguns and property. :guns

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 12:01 PM
Okay, you were probably safe then :).
That is so wrong of the people who would not shake your hand. I don't care what their past experiences have been, church ought to change you in my opinion.

Incidentally, I may need to talk to you about the new B3s or one of the new consoles
I don't sell the Hammond organ anymore. These days I only sell pianos. I can help you there! :)

Rico
07-17-2008, 12:08 PM
There was one time when I sold a new Hammond with Leslie to a prominent black church in Nashville. They asked me to be their special guest for the first service with the new organ.

There were probably 600+ people there that Sunday. I looked around and Mrs. Pianoman and I were the ONLY whites there! :D

The organist asked us to sit next to her on the front row of pews, which we did.

Anyway, they took an offering in which everyone walked up to the front to put their money in a big basket. They had to walk right by us on the front row. As they walked by everyone would shake the hands of others that were sitting there. Most everyone shook my hand and seemed delighted That we were there. But........there were some who shook everyone else's hand, but refused to shake my hand when I extended my hand to them.

Maybe they just felt uncomfortable shaking a strangers hand, but a few gave me a "look" as they passed by.

I told Mrs. Pianoman that we now have a small glimpse of what blacks have had to overcome in the business world over time.


I visited an all black church once with a friend of mine. Anyway, the service was rolling right along, people were havin a good time, the whole nine yards. This one Sister got up and started talkin about how good the Lord was and how great it was to serve Him, that sort of stuff. All of sudden she stopped, looked right at me, and said, "You can be any color!!" :lol I was totally grinning from ear to ear 'cause I was the only white skinned feller in the place at the time. They were all so friendly after the service too. It was plain to see they had a good grasp of sharing the love of God.

Rico
07-17-2008, 12:12 PM
You might need to revisit the Texas thread from the other day when we were talking about shotguns and property. :guns

That was when I bought my first shotgun. I told my wife that if I was ever away from home and a group of guys showed up in a pick up truck, started messin with her or the kids, then she needed to point in their general direction and get to blasting away! Thank God we never had to.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 12:12 PM
that is funny rico, lol

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 12:13 PM
That was when I bought my first shotgun. I told my wife that if I was ever away from home and a group of guys showed up in a pick up truck, started messin with her or the kids, then she needed to point in their general direction and get to blasting away! Thank God we never had to.

just call me bro, i have mucho ammo, lol

SavedLou
07-17-2008, 12:29 PM
I visited an all black church once with a friend of mine. Anyway, the service was rolling right along, people were havin a good time, the whole nine yards. This one Sister got up and started talkin about how good the Lord was and how great it was to serve Him, that sort of stuff. All of sudden she stopped, looked right at me, and said, "You can be any color!!" :lol I was totally grinning from ear to ear 'cause I was the only white skinned feller in the place at the time. They were all so friendly after the service too. It was plain to see they had a good grasp of sharing the love of God.

We went to an all black Pentecostal church in Jackson, MS while visiting my friend at JCM a few years back. It's where some of the JCM kids would go on Sundays. We were the ONLY whites there out of approx 1000 members! We sat on the 6th pew! Everyone was extremely nice, shook our hands, etc. The service was phenomenal!

A few weeks ago we had a non-denom black church whose pastor is friends with ours come in to do the singing/preaching. Their choir sang. Awesome service! He preached on unity. Now I do live in the deep south, so racial issues still run deep at times, so I'm sure there were some older ones there who were flabbergasted BUT too bad. The younger generation enjoyed it and we are the future church. So sad that there are some so called Christians that are racists. One man told my dad once that if he weren't a Christian, he would be in the KKK. Insanity.

DividedThigh
07-17-2008, 12:32 PM
sounds familiar, love black churches would go to one every chance i had if i liv ed in the south, dt

Cindy
07-17-2008, 12:48 PM
I don't like to hear anyone use that word no matter what their race is.

Praxeas
07-17-2008, 01:03 PM
al sharpton said that is not the jesse we all know and love, puke, dt
In other words he's still the Hymie town JJ we all know and love? PUKE is right

tstew
07-17-2008, 01:11 PM
sounds familiar, love black churches would go to one every chance i had if i liv ed in the south, dt

They have them up North too :)

StillStanding
07-17-2008, 01:14 PM
They have them up North too :)
:ursofunny I was thinking the same thing!

dizzyde
07-17-2008, 01:16 PM
They have them up North too :)

:lol :lol :lol

Cindy
07-17-2008, 01:16 PM
They have them up North too :)

Yeah, but you know they are Yankees..........:tease

tstew
07-17-2008, 01:18 PM
Yeah, but you know they are Yankees..........:tease

That's true, but he probably already goes to a Yankee church anyway *shudders at the thought*:tease

Cindy
07-17-2008, 01:19 PM
Is JJ a racist? Didn't he demand a public apology from Michael Richards of "Steinfield" for saying the word during a comedy routine?

Is it fair for African Americans to use the "N" word as a term of endearment to each other, then turn around and lambaste a person from any other ethnic group that says it?

What was the context in which he said it? The "N" word can be racist from a black person about another black person. Not just white people use that term in a deragatory way.

Baron1710
07-17-2008, 01:24 PM
There is an article in the Telegraph today about calling people "Chavs" and also addresses the "n" word in the last paragraph of the story.

Stop using the word chav, says an article in the Fabian Review, it is “deeply offensive to a largely voiceless group”.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/17/do1706.xml

StMark
07-17-2008, 01:28 PM
Has chosenbyone or Aquilla visited this thread yet?????
I believe they are big supporters of JJ and would probably
be in denfensive mode over this thread

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 01:29 PM
There is an article in the Telegraph today about calling people "Chavs" and also addresses the "n" word in the last paragraph of the story.

Stop using the word chav, says an article in the Fabian Review, it is “deeply offensive to a largely voiceless group”.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/17/do1706.xml

That's a new one for me.

Rico
07-17-2008, 01:46 PM
That's true, but he probably already goes to a Yankee church anyway *shudders at the thought*:tease

Y'all ain't right! :D

U376977
07-17-2008, 07:03 PM
In all fairness, the content and tone of what Richards said went way beyond the use of the "N word". He could have made the statements about lynching, etc and not even used the word and still been as offensive. However, using the word in the context of everything else he was saying was very offensive to many people and has changed their perception of the Kramer they "knew".
Jesse Jackson should have known better than to use that word in that setting as well, but there is a BIG difference.

I think he did know better. Remember, he gives media interview almost daily and has done so for years. He knows not to sit down in a TV studio and run his mouth. I think it was intentional.

He is not Newt Gingrich's mother who got caught calling Hillery Clinton a "b#$ch" by Connie Chung.

Question is why would he do it???

TRFrance
07-17-2008, 07:06 PM
Jesse used the N word?
That's just crazy.

As a matter of fact, that's just... nuts.
:bubble

HeavenlyOne
07-17-2008, 07:08 PM
They have them up North too :)

Not where DT and I live.....too cold for black folks up here!! LOL!

Too cold for this white chik too!

tstew
07-17-2008, 07:12 PM
Jesse used the N word?
That's just crazy.

As a matter of fact, that's just... nuts.
:bubble

Maybe there's some trifecta of "N words" he's after. I wonder what's next. :)

tstew
07-17-2008, 07:12 PM
Not where DT and I live.....too cold for black folks up here!! LOL!

Too cold for this white chik too!

Let me guess. One of the Dakotas or Wisconsin? :)

Cindy
07-17-2008, 07:22 PM
Since we are on the subject.......why can't we just all be Americans (well, excluding the Canadians)?

If you are born in American you are an American!

Affirmative Action!

Rico
07-17-2008, 07:23 PM
Apparently, this was the topic of conversation on The View today. Did anyone catch it? One of the hosts got so upset she was crying. Just saw it on the news. How's that for a newsflash? :D

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 07:28 PM
Apparently, this was the topic of conversation on The View today. Did anyone catch it? One of the hosts got so upset she was crying. Just saw it on the news. How's that for a newsflash? :D

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/index

Cindy
07-17-2008, 07:38 PM
Has chosenbyone or Aquilla visited this thread yet?????
I believe they are big supporters of JJ and would probably
be in denfensive mode over this thread

Why do you think they are supporters of JJ?

Cindy
07-17-2008, 07:43 PM
I taught Sunday School at an all black church, the teenage class. We had classes outside because they didn't have Sunday School rooms.

Cindy
07-17-2008, 07:45 PM
I would like to ask a question of Brother Stewart. Do most people in black churches when they testify start out with: I want to thank the Lord for waking me up this morning in my right mind? A couple of the black churches I went to here the people do that.

rgcraig
07-17-2008, 07:47 PM
I would like to ask a question of Brother Stewart. Do most people in black churches when they testify start out with: I want to thank the Lord for waking me up this morning in my right mind? A couple of the black churches I went to here the people do that.

Some people in white churches should consider saying this...............:ursofunny

Cindy
07-17-2008, 07:57 PM
Some people in white churches should consider saying this...............:ursofunny

I know, right. :D It was just the first time I had heard it. And everyone that testified did that.

tstew
07-17-2008, 08:28 PM
I would like to ask a question of Brother Stewart. Do most people in black churches when they testify start out with: I want to thank the Lord for waking me up this morning in my right mind? A couple of the black churches I went to here the people do that.

Oh yes Lord.
"First of all giving honor to God who is the head of my life and to pastor ___________. I want to thank the Lord for waking me up this morning in my right mind and setting me on my way......."

Kae
07-17-2008, 09:15 PM
Since we are on the subject what about schools banning or editing Tom Sawyer because it uses the term?

Mark Twain was one of the best authors for local color. Huck Finn is one of the 4 great books. He accurately portrays what went on in that era and to take that away takes away part of history. I think it would be terrible if they were to start editing Tom Sawyer.

Monkeyman
07-17-2008, 09:28 PM
I have a great race relations story:
A couple of years ago I was contacted by the Pastor of Emmanuel Baptist Church in Hammond Plains Nova Scotia, the black neighborhood of Halifax. He invited my "white" choir to their church grand opening service along with Alvin Slaughter. We hung out in the back while the pre-service stuff was going on waiting for our introduction....I had the band go out before the choir and start jamming...the place was rocking, swaying, clapping...then my white choir walked out....clapping stopped, I literally heard gasps, he he he, then we took our places at the mic...and SAAAAAANG, ooowiiie, we had em back at the first song...they had fun, my kids had a blast singing to black folk...and WE ALL REJOICED TOGETHER!!!!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j114/JonTheMonkeyman/worship.jpg

Here is my choir

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j114/JonTheMonkeyman/n543731468_537938_7238.jpg

HeavenlyOne
07-17-2008, 09:29 PM
Let me guess. One of the Dakotas or Wisconsin? :)

Wisconsin.

I live in a town of about 10k people. I know both black people here, and they are married to white people. I told them it's funny, cause I see a black guy on the street and I know it's Greg! Or if I see a black girl, I know it's Wendy!

It's gotta be the cold that keeps them away and not racism. Too many Native Americans around here for that...LOL!

tstew
07-17-2008, 09:55 PM
Wisconsin.

I live in a town of about 10k people. I know both black people here, and they are married to white people. I told them it's funny, cause I see a black guy on the street and I know it's Greg! Or if I see a black girl, I know it's Wendy!

It's gotta be the cold that keeps them away and not racism. Too many Native Americans around here for that...LOL!

:ursofunny . That was truly a lucky guess. I guess I could have gone with Montana. We have been to some places on deputation where toddlers had never seen a real live Black person before.

dizzyde
07-17-2008, 10:17 PM
:ursofunny . That was truly a lucky guess. I guess I could have gone with Montana. We have been to some places on deputation where toddlers had never seen a real live Black person before.

I posted this on another thread last week, but my daughter just got back from Guyana and while she was there, for the first week her group were the only white people that they saw anywhere.

They were in the marketplace and a small boy stopped and slapped his face with both hands and gasped "MOM, look at all the white people!!" :toofunny :toofunny

tstew
07-17-2008, 10:27 PM
I posted this on another thread last week, but my daughter just got back from Guyana and while she was there, for the first week her group were the only white people that they saw anywhere.

They were in the marketplace and a small boy stopped and slapped his face with both hands and gasped "MOM, look at all the white people!!" :toofunny :toofunny

My father was somewhere in Maine (I think it was) in one of our churches and a little kid had never seen a Black person. She was wanting to touch his hair and skin, and the parents were so embarassed. Of course he took it in stride and allowed her to satisfy all her curiousities.:ursofunny

HeavenlyOne
07-17-2008, 11:15 PM
:ursofunny . That was truly a lucky guess. I guess I could have gone with Montana. We have been to some places on deputation where toddlers had never seen a real live Black person before.

LOL! I can't imagine, honestly.

I was raised in a southwest suburb of Chicago, but being here is a different culture with a different ethnic group of people, but I have fun with out differences anyway! Indians are funny! Today, I asked one if white people are allowed to their powwows. She said yes, but we can't win contests....LOL! Apparently, white people can't dance like Indians either! Besides, I told her that I could tell them my mom is Menominee but I look like my daddy with my red hair and green eyes!

It's been nice learning things about their culture though. We are all Americans, but I love learning about what other people do. White people are boring!

George
07-18-2008, 12:22 AM
JJ is a hypocrite. He is the one who nationally admonished the black community to stop using the "N" word and has now been recorded (audio & video) saying the "N" word in the same conversation where he spoke against Obama and said he wanted to "...cut off Baracks n@#$." He was not using the "N" word in the familiar, happy, black way but as a derogatory remark. He was speaking to another black man and criticising Obama's recent faith-based campaign.

I think someone should lock JJ and Imus in the same cell.

dizzyde
07-18-2008, 01:06 AM
JJ is a hypocrite. He is the one who nationally admonished the black community to stop using the "N" word and has now been recorded (audio & video) saying the "N" word in the same conversation where he spoke against Obama and said he wanted to "...cut off Baracks n@#$." He was not using the "N" word in the familiar, happy, black way but as a derogatory remark. He was speaking to another black man and criticising Obama's recent faith-based campaign.

I think someone should lock JJ and Imus in the same cell.

Buuut, how do you really feel? :toofunny

Pressing-On
07-18-2008, 04:49 AM
:ursofunny . That was truly a lucky guess. I guess I could have gone with Montana. We have been to some places on deputation where toddlers had never seen a real live Black person before.

Did you ever see the Cowboys with John Wayne? The black cook in the bunkhouse scene? Those young white boys just keep staring at him. "We've never seen a black man before? Is......" :killinme

Pressing-On
07-18-2008, 05:34 AM
I don't watch The View, but ran across this exchange between Elizabeth Hasslebeck and Goldberg.

Goldberg, who used the n-word repeatedly during the broadcast (it was bleeped out), said that "We don't live in the same world. What I need you to understand is the frustration that goes along with when you say we live in the same world. It isn't balanced."

Hasslebeck tearfully replied that "when we live in a world where pop culture then uses that term, and we're trying to get to a place where we feel like we're in the same place, where we feel like we're in the same world ... how are we supposed to then move forward if we keep using terms that bring back that pain?"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,385347,00.html

rgcraig
07-18-2008, 06:19 AM
http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/index

You can watch the clip here.

Bro-Larry
07-18-2008, 06:28 AM
JJ and whoopie are both idiots.

StillStanding
07-18-2008, 06:34 AM
JJ and whoopie are both idiots.
After listening to Whoopie, I wonder if some blacks actually enjoy having a word that they can say, but you can't!

Whoopie keeps talking about her grandmother who couldn't vote. Well, my great great grandmother couldn't vote either!

Last I checked, this issue has been resolved!

tamor
07-18-2008, 07:02 AM
I have a great race relations story:
A couple of years ago I was contacted by the Pastor of Emmanuel Baptist Church in Hammond Plains Nova Scotia, the black neighborhood of Halifax. He invited my "white" choir to their church grand opening service along with Alvin Slaughter. We hung out in the back while the pre-service stuff was going on waiting for our introduction....I had the band go out before the choir and start jamming...the place was rocking, swaying, clapping...then my white choir walked out....clapping stopped, I literally heard gasps, he he he, then we took our places at the mic...and SAAAAAANG, ooowiiie, we had em back at the first song...they had fun, my kids had a blast singing to black folk...and WE ALL REJOICED TOGETHER!!!!


The same thing happened with the choir that I was a part of several years ago at my former church. We were invited to sing in Memphis at the COGIC convention. There were 60-75 of us, band included, and we were sitting in the front, side section. When walking from the back of the building, one couldn't see us until they were pretty much in front of us. It was hysterical watching the expressions as people would be walking by talking and then catch a glimpse of all us "white folk" sitting there. But as your group, they were on their feet loving it when we rocked the house!

Pressing-On
07-18-2008, 07:14 AM
You can watch the clip here.

As a Christian woman, all of those women offend me. They act like their secular, humanist world view is right! I can't stand Barbara Walters, either.

Hasslebeck is not my idea of a true conservative either.

I hate that show!!! Did I say I hate that show!!!! :killinme

missdkendall
07-18-2008, 07:19 AM
As a Christian woman, all of those women offend me. They act like their secular, humanist world view is right! I can't stand Barbara Walters, either.

Hasslebeck is not my idea of a true conservative either.

I hate that show!!! Did I say I hate that show!!!! :killinme

I am not a fan of Barbara Walters either. I can't say that I have ever seen a full episode of the VIEW:aaa

rgcraig
07-18-2008, 07:27 AM
As a Christian woman, all of those women offend me. They act like their secular, humanist world view is right! I can't stand Barbara Walters, either.

Hasslebeck is not my idea of a true conservative either.

I hate that show!!! Did I say I hate that show!!!! :killinme

I don't like it either and have rarely watched it - they are all silly and Whoopie is just plain offensive!

rgcraig
07-18-2008, 07:27 AM
JJ complaints are everywhere today!

tamor
07-18-2008, 07:27 AM
I am not a fan of Barbara Walters either. I can't say that I have ever seen a full episode of the VIEW:aaa

Me neither and me neither.....

StillStanding
07-18-2008, 07:29 AM
Me neither and me neither.....
Was that BOTH personalities agreeing! :ursofunny

Pressing-On
07-18-2008, 07:32 AM
I am not a fan of Barbara Walters either. I can't say that I have ever seen a full episode of the VIEW:aaa

I don't like it either and have rarely watched it - they are all silly and Whoopie is just plain offensive!

Right. I've never seen a whole espisode either. I had the clip running that you provided, Renda. I just heard Joy say the "B" word. How stupid of her. All that does is allow men to feel free to use it, too!
:snapout

missdkendall
07-18-2008, 07:47 AM
I don't like it either and have rarely watched it - they are all silly and Whoopie is just plain offensive!

I think it is one thing to hear a man with a trashy mouth, but IMO, it is soooooo much worse to hear a lady speak so nasty. I thought Rosie was bad. SHEESH!

tamor
07-18-2008, 07:49 AM
Was that BOTH personalities agreeing! :ursofunny

Yep. Both the voices in my head answered! :ursofunny

DividedThigh
07-18-2008, 08:35 AM
i havent wasted a minute of my time watching that stupid show, and that stupid woman whoopie where do you get a name like that, lol

Steve Epley
07-18-2008, 08:44 AM
Would y'all believe I have never seen that show????????????????:tease:tease

You it seems like I don't miss many WHOLESOME programs by not having a television.