View Full Version : Everyone's Apostolic: A Word of Caution
Nahum
07-21-2008, 03:55 PM
I have learned a lot during my posting tenure here at AFF.
I have instructed all three of my internet addicted teenagers to stay away from Everyone's Apostolic. There are some internet sites that are voyeuristic in nature, and this seems to be one of them. The definition of the word voyeur I am speaking of is: a prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous.
I worry about some of our so-called Apostolic or Pentecostal sites on the net. Several owners of these sites have shared stories of information mining on their "brothers and sisters in the Lord." This mined information, which was posted in innocence and with a false sense of security, was/is used against "brothers and sisters in the Lord" to BRING THEM DOWN.
Again, I have a huge distrust for the owners and admins of any internet site. It's not that I distrust ALL of them. It's just that I have been burned a couple of times. I worry about people (owners) reading private messages and using the info gleaned in a malicious manner.
These type of sites (Everyone's Apostolic) are among the worst. Suppose a UPC preacher's kid posts his favorite movies or tv shows? Suppose he shares stories of things he has done that does not fit within acceptable "UPC" behavior?
I have seen enough bloodshed in our Pentecostal culture to know this will happen, and when it does several people are gonna get hurt.
Nahum
07-21-2008, 03:56 PM
To fully understand the danger of internet posting please read the Texas Tornado thread.
mizpeh
07-21-2008, 03:58 PM
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=3955&highlight=texas+tornado
Texas Tornado Thread
Nahum
07-21-2008, 03:59 PM
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=3955&highlight=texas+tornado
Texas Tornado Thread
Thank you, Mizpeh!
Carpenter
07-21-2008, 03:59 PM
Everyone's Apostolic is a forum similar to AFF?
rgcraig
07-21-2008, 04:02 PM
Everyone's Apostolic is a forum similar to AFF?
No, it's more like Facebook.
Nahum
07-21-2008, 04:06 PM
Everyone's Apostolic is a forum similar to AFF?
No Sir.
It is sort of like Facebook or MySpace.
UPC kids are crazy about this site, because it replaced Everyone's Connected.
Here is my problem with it.
Everyone has a profile page in which they share their interests, hobbies and so on. They share things like their favorite music, bands, movies, internet sites and so on.
On Everyone's Connected, the sites admins were non-Apostolic and unbiased. Anyone could read the profile info of a member, but only if that member received them as a friend.
On Everyone's Apostolic, the owners are Oneness Pentecostals who are seemingly bent on using the site as a social engineering tool.
You post something not "Apostolic" enough and you are "banned" or disfellowshipped. This is not a good place for our youth to hang out. I see it as an attempt to manipulate my kids into drinking the traditional kool-aid.
The Mrs
07-21-2008, 04:06 PM
Just as an aside...the AFF Owners/Admins do NOT read private messages...unless of course, they are forwarded to us as offensive that we need to take action on. :winkgrin
Baron1710
07-21-2008, 04:07 PM
No Sir.
It is sort of like Facebook or MySpace.
UPC kids are crazy about this site, because it replaced Everyone's Connected.
Here is my problem with it.
Everyone has a profile page in which they share their interests, hobbies and so on. They share things like their favorite music, bands, movies, internet sites and so on.
On Everyone's Connected, the sites admins were non-Apostolic and unbiased. Anyone could read the profile info of a member, but only if that member received them as a friend.
On Everyone's Apostolic, the owners are Oneness Pentecostals who are seemingly bent on using the site as a social engineering tool.
You post something not "Apostolic" enough and you are "banned" or disfellowshipped. This is not a good place for our youth to hang out. I see it as an attempt to manipulate my kids into drinking the traditional kool-aid.
Is it the Apostolic big brother?
Nahum
07-21-2008, 04:08 PM
Is it the Apostolic big brother?
Exactly my point!
Imagine the danger of posting personal details including likes and dislikes regarding media on there.
Just as an aside...the AFF Owners/Admins do NOT read private messages...unless of course, they are forwarded to us as offensive that we need to take action on. :winkgrin
So that's how I got banned for cussin a few people out in pms back in my cussin 'em out days! :D
Baron1710
07-21-2008, 04:09 PM
Exactly my point!
Imagine the danger of posting personal details including likes and dislikes regarding media on there.
For me, like some of the others, I think the worst that could happen would be getting banned, but if your in an organization...
Nahum
07-21-2008, 04:10 PM
To me, it's just another attempt at control by the Freaky-cons.
But this time, it's my kids they're after.
Nahum
07-21-2008, 04:11 PM
For me, like some of the others, I think the worst that could happen would be getting banned, but if you're in an organization...
Exactly.
The Mrs
07-21-2008, 04:12 PM
It's certainly a tattle-tale mentality. :naughty
Nahum
07-21-2008, 04:14 PM
It's more than that.
It's dangerous.
It would be like having all of our kids under the governance of a conservative idealogue.
The Mrs
07-21-2008, 04:16 PM
I lived under, and participated in, this mentality for far too long.
It's very disheartening once you realize what it REALLY is.
Nahum
07-21-2008, 04:19 PM
I lived under, and participated in, this mentality for far too long.
It's very disheartening once you realize what it REALLY is.
I never had a problem with my kids posting on EC.
This seems different.
Social engineering tool ... interesting.
grace_seeker
07-21-2008, 04:26 PM
I have an EC account...never had any problems over there....
Rhoni
07-21-2008, 04:50 PM
I think you guys suffer from paranoia...
timlan2057
07-21-2008, 04:59 PM
Well, I'll repeat a post too and here's my big concern.
I WAS around long enough to notice this:
An invitation has to come from an existing member.
I guess they figured that would keep the riff-raff out but all it takes is one to start an avalanche, since Dan A sent ME an invitation.
It amuses me, really. I wonder what some folks are afraid of.
I WAS around long enough to notice that while open discussion is not tolerated, they DO tolerate 40-something year old pentecostal horn dog men sending "friends requests to young women 25 years younger than they are.
I notice my daughter had a "friends request" from some 42 year old pentecostal-preacher-swept-back-hair looking dude from Oklahoma.
My daughter is levelheaded and I trust her implicitly - heck, she's 18 now and not a minor but I'm still her father and still paranoid-protective of her.
I would beat the living tar out of anyone who took advantage of her.
"Apostolic" board or not - there's something obscene to me about 42 year old men sending "friends requests" to 18 year old girls.
So maybe certain parents - especially of minor children - better be concerned about who's trolling there on that nice "apostolic" board that bans people like me.
Now I can understand your concern PP, for the "social engineering" aspect. I don't personally care because my daughter has "nothing to lose" and frankly, while she remains pentecostal, DOES take with a grain of salt what is said, thinks for herself and does not swallow hook, line and sinker everything some overweight backwater pentecostal preacher spits and screams from some pulpit.
So she has "nothing to lose" since dad is not a preacher.
But yeah, I could see where this could be used with a motive of indictment in mind.
You know for sure that happens.
However, I do find it ironic that while open discussion of pentecostal history is apparently not welcome - middle-aged men trolling to be friends with teenaged young women is.
Now I'm not saying that every 42 year old man who sends a friends request to an 18 year old girl is a rapist or a molester.
BUT ... he's at least some guy with a fantasy of getting him a young chick. I'll say that without apology.
Of course you expect that on Myspace.
But some people believe nothing like that could happen on an "apostolic" board.
Parents, if you have minor children on there, you'd better be just as cautious as you are with Myspace or any other "worldly" networking site.
BrotherEastman
07-21-2008, 05:00 PM
It's more than that.
It's dangerous.
It would be like having all of our kids under the governance of a conservative idealogue.
Pastor Poster, I'm not saying that you are wrong entirely; however, I know people personally on this new network, trust me, it's not all conservative. Going by the "appearances" of some of the users, I'd say there are some liberals there as well. I bet most of them are moderates though.
MissBrattified
07-21-2008, 05:03 PM
Well, I'll repeat a post too and here's my big concern.
I WAS around long enough to notice this:
Now I can understand your concern PP, for the "social engineering" aspect. I don't personally care because my daughter has "nothing to lose" and frankly, while she remains pentecostal, DOES take with a grain of salt what is said, thinks for herself and does not swallow hook, line and sinker everything some overweight backwater pentecostal preacher spits and screams from some pulpit.
So she has "nothing to lose" since dad is not a preacher.
But yeah, I could see where this could be used with a motive of indictment in mind.
You know for sure that happens.
However, I do find it ironic that while open discussion of pentecostal history is apparently not welcome - middle-aged men trolling to be friends with teenaged young women is.
Now I'm not saying that every 42 year old man who sends a friends request to an 18 year old girl is a rapist or a molester.
BUT ... he's at least some guy with a fantasy of getting him a young chick. I'll say that without apology.
Of course you expect that on Myspace.
But some people believe nothing like that could happen on an "apostolic" board.
Parents, if you have minor children on there, you'd better be just as cautious as you are with Myspace or any other "worldly" networking site.
Good post.
rgcraig
07-21-2008, 05:05 PM
Does it bother anyone else that their banner left out the apostrophe?
BrotherEastman
07-21-2008, 05:17 PM
Does it bother anyone else that their banner left out the apostrophe?
What do you mean?
rgcraig
07-21-2008, 05:29 PM
What do you mean?
They have "Everyones Connected" instead of Everyone's Connected"
Nahum
07-21-2008, 05:31 PM
Well, I'll repeat a post too and here's my big concern.
I WAS around long enough to notice this:
Now I can understand your concern PP, for the "social engineering" aspect. I don't personally care because my daughter has "nothing to lose" and frankly, while she remains pentecostal, DOES take with a grain of salt what is said, thinks for herself and does not swallow hook, line and sinker everything some overweight backwater pentecostal preacher spits and screams from some pulpit.
So she has "nothing to lose" since dad is not a preacher.
But yeah, I could see where this could be used with a motive of indictment in mind.
You know for sure that happens.
However, I do find it ironic that while open discussion of pentecostal history is apparently not welcome - middle-aged men trolling to be friends with teenaged young women is.
Now I'm not saying that every 42 year old man who sends a friends request to an 18 year old girl is a rapist or a molester.
BUT ... he's at least some guy with a fantasy of getting him a young chick. I'll say that without apology.
Of course you expect that on Myspace.
But some people believe nothing like that could happen on an "apostolic" board.
Parents, if you have minor children on there, you'd better be just as cautious as you are with Myspace or any other "worldly" networking site.
Excellent post.
I have told every adult in our church to never, ever be alone with a minor child that is not their own. I suppose that would extend to internet posting as well.
We live in a sick world.
Nahum
07-21-2008, 05:32 PM
I think you guys suffer from paranoia...
Sure we do, Rhoni.
I seem to remember a huge controversy over some of your posts that certain members of your family raised a ruckus over.
Rhoni
07-21-2008, 05:32 PM
You weren't saying that when someone contacted your pastor.
They didn't do it from another forum...they did it from NFCF, aka, AFF. There is no safe place; all one can do is be careful and have safeguards in place. Hire the Mafia, or the posse:tease
Rhoni
07-21-2008, 05:35 PM
Excellent post.
I have told every adult in our church to never, ever be alone with a minor child that is not their own. I suppose that would extend to internet posting as well.
We live in a sick world.
You don't think there are predators on this forum? They are everywhere and many hidden within ultra-conservative churches. I think Tim's post is excellent across forum lines.
Rhoni
07-21-2008, 05:37 PM
That's why he said what he did.
I didn't disagree with his post.:friend
Rhoni
07-21-2008, 05:43 PM
Okay. There seems to be a disconnect tonight.
Obviously and then an attack from Pastor Poster...for Pete's sake.:bigbaby My family haven't caused me problems over this forum...it is ultra-conservative NFCF/AFF posters who had the audacity to call my Pastor...I think I need to 'pray through' over those dudes...else I might join them where they are heading...:club
Nahum
07-21-2008, 05:52 PM
Huh?
When did I attack you Rhoni?
OMG, this is all so futile sometimes!
ARGH!
Making this about YOU is the height of self-absorbtion.
Rhoni
07-21-2008, 05:52 PM
I believe there were some problems with your family reading posts from here that a non-family member copied and sent to them - - I believe that's what he's talking about.
Yes, there is always drama around family functions that have to do with divorced families. So kind of everyone to bring it up:snapout
Nahum
07-21-2008, 05:54 PM
Yes, there is always drama around family functions that have to do with divorced families. So kind of everyone to bring it up:snapout
WHAT?????
You brought it up on open forum and talked about it for weeks!
I believe you even left us for a while after that.
My only point was that there are malicious readers out there.
Surely you agree?
Rhoni
07-21-2008, 05:54 PM
I think you guys suffer from paranoia...
Sure we do, Rhoni.
I seem to remember a huge controversy over some of your posts that certain members of your family raised a ruckus over.
Huh?
When did I attack you Rhoni?
OMG, this is all so futile sometimes!
ARGH!
Making this about YOU is the height of self-absorbtion.
Sounds like you made it about me:snapout
jaxfam6
07-21-2008, 05:59 PM
IT IS ALL ABOUT MEEEEEE
I am tired of Rhoni getting it to be about HER all the time. I want it about me every now and then.
=)
IT IS ALL ABOUT MEEEEEE
I am tired of Rhoni getting it to be about HER all the time. I want it about me every now and then.
=)
Post something we can take to your pastor to use against you and we will! Otherwise, quit yer whinin! :D
Mrs. LPW
07-21-2008, 06:59 PM
I think you guys suffer from paranoia...
:spit
jaxfam6
07-21-2008, 07:03 PM
Post something we can take to your pastor to use against you and we will! Otherwise, quit yer whinin! :D
wanna hear something funny? my pastor would probably say, 'yep that sounds like our Mark, there isn't anything he can do that would surprise me'
so I guess I gotta stop whinning
Mrs. LPW
07-21-2008, 07:04 PM
Well it seems to me that there are predators of every kind on facebook and all these other spaces as well.
Wouldn't the sensible thing be, monitor ALL of your children's internet activities? Not just the Everyones Apostolic... Why are we singling this particular forum out?
(and for the record, I don't have an Everyone's Connected or Everyone's Apostolic account and don't plan to, so I'm not defending anyone.... don't know any of them)
wanna hear something funny? my pastor would probably say, 'yep that sounds like our Mark, there isn't anything he can do that would surprise me'
so I guess I gotta stop whinning
In that case, confess it all, Brother! :D
Pragmatist
07-21-2008, 10:57 PM
Excellent post.
I have told every adult in our church to never, ever be alone with a minor child that is not their own. I suppose that would extend to internet posting as well.
We live in a sick world.
Very good advice. I would hope all pastors would teach that to their people, especially those in involved with youth.
timlan2057
07-22-2008, 09:14 AM
Wouldn't the sensible thing be, monitor ALL of your children's internet activities? Not just the Everyones Apostolic... Why are we singling this particular forum out?
Well, I can't speak for the others; only myself.
Let me try to itemize:
1) Since this is an "apostolic" board and EA is an "apostolic" networking site, logic dictates that it would be discussed here more than Myspace.
2) My discussion contribution was simply that I was banned, presumably for blog posts that dared mention that many at the merger believed salvation was at repentance and offered unvarnished views of prominent pentecostals by one who knew them.
I found ironic that while open and honest discussion is apparently not welcome, I was around long enough to notice a 42 year old man sent a "friends request" to my 18 year old daughter. Apparently they have no problem with pentecostal horn dog men hitting on 18 year olds.
I've said before, I believe one of the main, hidden (as opposed to these "standards" that preachers with their heads in the sand can "see") cancers of the oneness pentecostal sect in 2008 is porn addiction runninng rampant since preachers have to have the internet as a toy and therefore cannot ban it in the homes of "saints" who have no foundation of principle but simply wait for the next legalist to tell them what to do. How sad that is the limit of their concept of "living for God."
3) Now Mrs.LPW, you seem like a very nice lady so please don't take personal offense at this.
But I find it VERY amusing that most of the arguments of "ole time pentecostals" on this board to excuse the inconsistency and hypocrisy in the sect is to scream back: " But others do it too!"
BOOM was one of the worst (or best) at this. Any sexual sins or hypocrisy in a legalistic preacher exposed brought him out hollering: "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CATHOLICS!??!!"
In this case, you don't think this "apostolic" site should be singled out because Myspace is just as bad.
Do you people not see in this line of reasoning the hole big enough you could run five elephants through it side-by-side?
"Ole Time Pentecost" constantly screams: "We have the TRUUUUTHHHH!!! .... We have the POWWWWERRRRR!!!!! .... We're better than those dead, dry, denominals!!!! (their word).
Well ... then on message boards and in the lives of their members ... the fruits should bear it out, shouldn't it?
But when confronted with evidence to the contrary, all of a sudden the excuse is: "the Methodists and Catholics do it too! ... Myspace is just as bad!!! ... WHY single US out???"
Simple.
Because you claim to be so much better than everybody else and have the truth that if others don't have, they are going to hell and claim to have overcoming power that others don't have.
So when the FRUIT bears out that that is apparently not the case ... then you simply must live with the consequences.
Well ... *said in pseudo-Southern twang*
retsambeW
07-22-2008, 09:25 AM
Well, I'll repeat a post too and here's my big concern.
I WAS around long enough to notice this:
Now I can understand your concern PP, for the "social engineering" aspect. I don't personally care because my daughter has "nothing to lose" and frankly, while she remains pentecostal, DOES take with a grain of salt what is said, thinks for herself and does not swallow hook, line and sinker everything some overweight backwater pentecostal preacher spits and screams from some pulpit.
So she has "nothing to lose" since dad is not a preacher.
But yeah, I could see where this could be used with a motive of indictment in mind.
You know for sure that happens.
However, I do find it ironic that while open discussion of pentecostal history is apparently not welcome - middle-aged men trolling to be friends with teenaged young women is.
Now I'm not saying that every 42 year old man who sends a friends request to an 18 year old girl is a rapist or a molester.
BUT ... he's at least some guy with a fantasy of getting him a young chick. I'll say that without apology.
Of course you expect that on Myspace.
But some people believe nothing like that could happen on an "apostolic" board.
Parents, if you have minor children on there, you'd better be just as cautious as you are with Myspace or any other "worldly" networking site.
Timlan,
I am 42 years old, and while I am sure you were not pointing fingers, I must say the assertion that any 42 year old is having a fantasy for a young chick is offensive.
Firstly, any of the younger girls I have as "friends" their, are people that I all ready know. Daughters of friends, or my own daughter for example. Secondly, I sent not a one of them friend requests, I responded to them because I am all ready their frind in "real space", let alone cyber-space. Thirdly, you won't see many minors as my friends. If someone in that age group requests a friendship and I do not know them, it will be rejected.
Does this sort of thing happen? Sadly, you are correct, it does. I trust it is the exception and not the rule. If it is the rule, then we are in a sad state, indeed.
DividedThigh
07-22-2008, 09:26 AM
i think that info mining for some evil intent is awful, you would think that an apostolic website would at least be honest, so far at least i trust the folks on aff, so far, dt
DividedThigh
07-22-2008, 09:28 AM
my wife and i monitor all our kids computer stuff, and we banned them from my space, i guess ea will get banned too, lol
timlan2057
07-22-2008, 09:39 AM
Timlan,
I am 42 years old, and while I am sure you were not pointing fingers, I must say the assertion that any 42 year old is having a fantasy for a young chick is offensive.
Firstly, any of the younger girls I have as "friends" their, are people that I all ready know. Daughters of friends, or my own daughter for example. Secondly, I sent not a one of them friend requests, I responded to them because I am all ready their frind in "real space", let alone cyber-space. Thirdly, you won't see many minors as my friends. If someone in that age group requests a friendship and I do not know them, it will be rejected.
Does this sort of thing happen? Sadly, you are correct, it does. I trust it is the exception and not the rule. If it is the rule, then we are in a sad state, indeed.
Well Mike, you can think it's "offensive" all you want to.
I've been around the block and I stand by what I said.
Now let me requote the entirety of what I said:
Now I'm not saying that every 42 year old man who sends a friends request to an 18 year old girl is a rapist or a molester.
BUT ... he's at least some guy with a fantasy of getting him a young chick. I'll say that without apology.
And now of course, you come back with all the obvious exceptions which of course we both take for granted that everyone understands. Heck, my daughter is on my friends list on Myspace.
But ANY 42 year old that sends friends requestson social networks to 18 year olds HE'S NOT KIN TO etc. etc. has some fantasy - buried though it may be - of getting to know a younger woman in a romantic way to compensate for an unhappy marriage or just the fact he's a dud with women.
I've played pool in enough bars and sat on enough bar stools to see one of the BIGGEST frauds in human interraction: the guy who claims to just want to be a woman's "friend" and have heart-to-heart talks with her and all that.
Don't make me laugh.
He wants the same thing we all want (or wanted) when we went out.
At least some of us are honest about it.
THAT guy finds his parallel in "ole time pentecost" in the preachers that do the counseling sessions with women AND with old men trying to feel young again by hitting up on teenaged girls on these "apostolic" Myspaces.
And again it's worth repeating - I find it ironic that I am banned for not being "apostolic" enough for their tastes but who knows what trolling goes on there?
And what is OBSCENE about it is, unlike Myspace, this puts more innocents in harms way because parents think this is a "sanctified" place.
So be offended all you want Mike.
I stand behind what I said - it's sound and it's the truth.
And you and others can just wrestle with it all you want to.
ReformedDave
07-22-2008, 09:46 AM
Well Mike, you can think it's "offensive" all you want to.
I've been around the block and I stand by what I said.
Now let me requote the entirety of what I said:
And now of course, you come back with all the obvious exceptions which of course we both take for granted that everyone understands. Heck, my daughter is on my friends list on Myspace.
But ANY 42 year old that sends friends requestson social networks to 18 year olds HE'S NOT KIN TO etc. etc. has some fantasy - buried though it may be - of getting to know a younger woman in a romantic way to compensate for an unhappy marriage or just the fact he's a dud with women.
I've played pool in enough bars and sat on enough bar stools to see one of the BIGGEST frauds in human interraction: the guy who claims to just want to be a woman's "friend" and have heart-to-heart talks with her and all that.
Don't make me laugh.
He wants the same thing we all want (or wanted) when we went out.
At least some of us are honest about it.
THAT guy finds his parallel in "ole time pentecost" in the preachers that do the counseling sessions with women AND with old men trying to feel young again by hitting up on teenaged girls on these "apostolic" Myspaces.
And again it's worth repeating - I find it ironic that I am banned for not being "apostolic" enough for their tastes but who knows what trolling goes on there?
And what is OBSCENE about it is, unlike Myspace, this puts more innocents in harms way because parents think this is a "sanctified" place.
So be offended all you want Mike.
I stand behind what I said - it's sound and it's the truth.
And you and others can just wrestle with it all you want to.
I have a 13 year old niece that I talk with and email. I WANT her father and mom to know what we're discussing. I don't want any hint of anything weird.
retsambeW
07-22-2008, 09:46 AM
Well Mike, you can think it's "offensive" all you want to.
I've been around the block and I stand by what I said.
Now let me requote the entirety of what I said:
And now of course, you come back with all the obvious exceptions which of course we both take for granted that everyone understands. Heck, my daughter is on my friends list on Myspace.
But ANY 42 year old that sends friends requestson social networks to 18 year olds HE'S NOT KIN TO etc. etc. has some fantasy - buried though it may be - of getting to know a younger woman in a romantic way to compensate for an unhappy marriage or just the fact he's a dud with women.
I've played pool in enough bars and sat on enough bar stools to see one of the BIGGEST frauds in human interraction: the guy who claims to just want to be a woman's "friend" and have heart-to-heart talks with her and all that.
Don't make me laugh.
He wants the same thing we all want (or wanted) when we went out.
At least some of us are honest about it.
THAT guy finds his parallel in "ole time pentecost" in the preachers that do the counseling sessions with women AND with old men trying to feel young again by hitting up on teenaged girls on these "apostolic" Myspaces.
And again it's worth repeating - I find it ironic that I am banned for not being "apostolic" enough for their tastes but who knows what trolling goes on there?
And what is OBSCENE about it is, unlike Myspace, this puts more innocents in harms way because parents think this is a "sanctified" place.
So be offended all you want Mike.
I stand behind what I said - it's sound and it's the truth.
And you and others can just wrestle with it all you want to.
I think you miss my point:
I do not disagree with your premise. I understand what you are saying. Here is where I draw the line...To say that everyone has a fantasy is stretching it a bit. If you think for an instant that I have a fantasy for a young girl, you are sadly mistaken. I have a rather bad disposition towards those who would injure a child in any way, let alone in the way we are talking about here. Sorry, you aren't looking at or talking to a 42 year old with that kind of problem. I am very well satisfied in my relationship that I don't have to go looking for a fantasy with a child.
So, then, where do we go from here? I recognize what you are saying. I do not doubt there are predators out there. However, I know that there are a great many out there that feel the way I do. You are painting with a broad brush, Tim. Do not include us in your painting, we aren't going to model for you.
DividedThigh
07-22-2008, 09:49 AM
i have to agree with you timlan, i didnt let my kids do that when they were home, and i dont let my step kids now, we are careful sound counsel is what i hear, dt
DividedThigh
07-22-2008, 09:51 AM
I have a 13 year old niece that I talk with and email. I WANT her father and mom to know what we're discussing. I don't want any hint of anything weird.
good words dave, i protect myself too, even from the mouths of biddies, lol
Nahum
07-22-2008, 11:57 AM
Timlan,
I am 42 years old, and while I am sure you were not pointing fingers, I must say the assertion that any 42 year old is having a fantasy for a young chick is offensive.
Firstly, any of the younger girls I have as "friends" their, are people that I all ready know. Daughters of friends, or my own daughter for example. Secondly, I sent not a one of them friend requests, I responded to them because I am all ready their frind in "real space", let alone cyber-space. Thirdly, you won't see many minors as my friends. If someone in that age group requests a friendship and I do not know them, it will be rejected.
Does this sort of thing happen? Sadly, you are correct, it does. I trust it is the exception and not the rule. If it is the rule, then we are in a sad state, indeed.
Brother, you are setting yourself up for potential heartache.
Just this past week, one of my best friends on AFF sent one of my sons a friendship request on a social network. My friend did this innocently.
But I have taught my kids to never chat online with adults they are not related to. My son (15) came and told me about the request. I told him he could not accept it.
It's not that I was worried about something bad happening with my friend toward my son.
I was.showing my son a principle. Internet communication can be harmful.
This seems especially true with Everyone's Apostolic.
rgcraig
07-22-2008, 12:00 PM
Brother, you are setting yourself up for potential heartache.
Just this past week, one of my best friends on AFF sent one of my sons a friendship request on a social network. My friend did this innocently.
But I have taught my kids to never chat online with adults they are not related to. My son (15) came and told me about the request. I told him he could not accept it.
It's not that I was worried about something bad happening with my friend toward my son.
I was.showing my son a principle. Internet communication can be harmful.
This seems especially true with Everyone's Apostolic.I think some of the problem of understand this is because WE don't think that way we don't realize others do.
I've seen perfectly innocent people be "turned on" and it wasn't pretty. Their conversations were friendly and above reproach, but once the other party decided to make "more of it all" and accuse the person - it was very, very hard to defend.
Just have to be really careful.
I am and always have been very leery of these things. Myspace, EA or any other seems to be frought with oppurtunity for preditors.
i realize that responsible people can participate (generally) without fear, however, no child can really be considered "responsible" fully so long as they are children...
any time there is a mixture of kids and adults on line, i worry.
personally as my boys get older, I suspect I will be really really tight on what they can do online.
DividedThigh
07-22-2008, 12:14 PM
I am and always have been very leery of these things. Myspace, EA or any other seems to be frought with oppurtunity for preditors.
i realize that responsible people can participate (generally) without fear, however, no child can really be considered "responsible" fully so long as they are children...
any time there is a mixture of kids and adults on line, i worry.
personally as my boys get older, I suspect I will be really really tight on what they can do online.
i can see papa bear rising up, right behind you bro been there, done that, doing it again, lol
Baron1710
07-22-2008, 12:18 PM
I am and always have been very leery of these things. Myspace, EA or any other seems to be frought with oppurtunity for preditors.
i realize that responsible people can participate (generally) without fear, however, no child can really be considered "responsible" fully so long as they are children...
any time there is a mixture of kids and adults on line, i worry.
personally as my boys get older, I suspect I will be really really tight on what they can do online.
We have allowed our son to have a Myspace and Facebook account. We have his password and we check it regularly. We have not allowed him to have certain friends online, and whenever we see a problem they are gone. If he doesn’t want us to have his password then he doesn’t have to give it to us…but he doesn’t get to have an account on those pages either.
Nahum
07-22-2008, 12:30 PM
This conversation took an odd turn! My original concern was social engineering though information mining.
Does that sound like cult activity to you?
Oh well, I'm probably just paronoid.
DividedThigh
07-22-2008, 12:36 PM
This conversation took an odd turn! My original concern was social engineering though information mining.
Does that sound like cult activity to you?
Oh well, I'm probably just paronoid.
you arent paranoid bro, you hit the nail on the head, lol
retsambeW
07-22-2008, 12:47 PM
Brother, you are setting yourself up for potential heartache.
Just this past week, one of my best friends on AFF sent one of my sons a friendship request on a social network. My friend did this innocently.
But I have taught my kids to never chat online with adults they are not related to. My son (15) came and told me about the request. I told him he could not accept it.
It's not that I was worried about something bad happening with my friend toward my son.
I was.showing my son a principle. Internet communication can be harmful.
This seems especially true with Everyone's Apostolic.
Keep in mind, Bro., I do not use pm's to talk with anyone at EA, especially with people I do not know. Most of the messages I have received there have been deleted without even reading them, unless it is someone I know. I use the sight to keep in touch with friends, some great distances away. If you look at my page, the extent of my conversations is in my comments area, with one or two exceptions.
However, though I don't know the fulness of your experience, I think I understand your original intent on this thread, and agree. It did take a twist, didn't it?
This conversation took an odd turn! My original concern was social engineering though information mining.
Does that sound like cult activity to you?
Oh well, I'm probably just paronoid.
Honestly I think your primary concern should be something all of us should think about everywhere.
I try to post NOTHING here that would reflect negatively about certain things.. (that is as clear as I intende to be)
I promise to be quite vague...
but your initial post, is a warning on AFF, EA, or anywhere else more than 1 person congregates....
DividedThigh
07-22-2008, 01:04 PM
he does have it right ferd, my friend, we do need to be diligent papa bear, lol
Mrs. LPW
07-22-2008, 01:29 PM
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3) Now Mrs.LPW, you seem like a very nice lady so please don't take personal offense at this..
Impossible for me to take personal offense, since I haven't been making those arguments. Simply asking a question.
I'm still not sure why parents wouldn't monitor ALL of thier childs activities.
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