Argument why Jesus had facial hair?

[berkeley]

Have you heard the argument that Jesus had facial hair only because it was many days or weeks (your choice) in between his transfer from the custody of Pilate to Herod?




Per the KJV

Luke 23:1-16

1And the whole multitude of them arose, and led him unto Pilate.
2And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King.
3And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.
4Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.
5And they were the more fierce, saying, He stirreth up the people, teaching throughout all Jewry, beginning from Galilee to this place.
6When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked whether the man were a Galilaean.
7And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time.
8And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.
9Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.
10And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.
11And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.
12And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.
13And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people,
14Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:
15No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
16I will therefore chastise him, and release him.

[Rico]

Jesus had facial hair because he was a Jew. It would be pretty hard to not mar the sides of a beard you didn't have.

[Brad Murphy]

How sharp were the razors back then... did you have to use a stone?

[berkeley]

I'm asking if you heard that argument? I don't need any other commentary until someone affirms.

[Rico]

How sharp were the razors back then... did you have to use a stone?

Barbers are mentioned in the Bible, so they had some way of cutting hair.

[Praxeas]

Have you heard the argument that Jesus had facial hair only because it was many days or weeks (your choice) in between his transfer from the custody of Pilate to Herod?
LOL...I can't believe there are people trying to argue Jesus had no facial hair to prop up their doctrine, not you bro.

This is not even a UPC doctrine, it's more of an unofficial doctrine

[Praxeas]

I'm asking if you heard that argument? I don't need any other commentary until someone affirms.
No, but it's absurd to begin with. There is no bible about men having to shave

[berkeley]

Has anyone heard that argument? I have heard it (several yrs ago). Anyone else?

[Brad Murphy]

Barbers are mentioned in the Bible, so they had some way of cutting hair.

Whatever they had, I'm sure it was a painful process that was not done on a daily basis by the average male...

[Rico]

Whatever they had, I'm sure it was a painful process that was not done on a daily basis by the average male...

Maybe those who wanted to shave had mini-swords or something. My guess is that all the mean let the hair on their faces grow as long as it would grow.

[Rico]

Has anyone heard that argument? I have heard it (several yrs ago). Anyone else?

Berk, all of us have heard this ridiculous argument before. Why do you ask, Bro?

[berkeley]

Berk, all of us have heard this ridiculous argument before. Why do you ask, Bro?
I'm glad you asked. :)

[Brad Murphy]

I just realized... I have less than 2 weeks to grow my goatee back before family reunion to keep from getting called "Brother Brad" by my own relatives...

[berkeley]

Per the KJV

Luke 23:1-16

1And the whole multitude of them arose, and led him unto Pilate.
2And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King.
3And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.
4Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.
5And they were the more fierce, saying, He stirreth up the people, teaching throughout all Jewry, beginning from Galilee to this place.
6When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked whether the man were a Galilaean.
7And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time.
8And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.
9Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.
10And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.
11And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.
12And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.
13And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people,
14Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:
15No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
16I will therefore chastise him, and release him.

[berkeley]

I just realized... I have less than 2 weeks to grow my goatee back before family reunion to keep from getting called "Brother Brad" by my own relatives...

ahh

[Glenda B]

Maybe those who wanted to shave had mini-swords or something. My guess is that all the mean let the hair on their faces grow as long as it would grow.


So my friend Rico, is this going to be one of those letting it grow as long as it will being to mean uncut, or is this one of those long or the short of it Doctrines? :ursofunny

[Rico]

So my friend Rico, is this going to be one of those letting it grow as long as it will being to mean uncut, or is this one of those long or the short of it Doctrines? :ursofunny

:D I knew somebody was going to go there! :lol I do believe the
"not marring" thing meant not to cut it at all. I've seen pics of some the old time Jews and they don't cut the part right where the sideburns are. It grows into locks. I think it looks kinda weird.

[jaxfam6]

Whatever they had, I'm sure it was a painful process that was not done on a daily basis by the average male...

They had knives and swords that they kept sharp so why would a razor be out of the question and why would it have to be any more painful than today?
Many drawings from then and carvings show men without beards.
I am not making an arguement that Jesus didn't have one just that I do not believe it would have been any more difficult for them to shave as it is for us today. Maybe not as convient as today.

[Brad Murphy]

They had knives and swords that they kept sharp so why would a razor be out of the question and why would it have to be any more painful than today?
Many drawings from then and carvings show men without beards.
I am not making an arguement that Jesus didn't have one just that I do not believe it would have been any more difficult for them to shave as it is for us today. Maybe not as convient as today.

I realize that knives and swords would be sharp, but still not the same as my Gillette Mach 3 and some good shaving cream. Back then, shaving was kinda the Roman thing to do, wasn't it? They all wanted their faces to look like little boys... because, well... I won't go there... :)

[freeatlast]

I'm asking if you heard that argument? I don't need any other commentary until someone affirms.

I have heard it before from a former pastor who allowed no men to have facial hair.

[berkeley]

I have heard it before from a former pastor who allowed no men to have facial hair.
Do you think he would change his mind if confronted with the scripture that I posted?

[freeatlast]

He's dead now ...so I doubt it.

but if he was alive he wouldn't change his mind for nuthin. He was one stuborn ol boy, you could not talk to him about things like men shaving.

It was his way ot the hi way.

[Cindy]

Berk, is this argument implying Jesus shaved before he was taken before Pilate and Herod? And the only reason he had a beard when he died is because he did not have the means to shave?

[TK Burk]

Whatever they had, I'm sure it was a painful process that was not done on a daily basis by the average male...

Egyptians were shaving long before Jesus’ time. Ever see their pyramids? If they can erect such edifices without modern machinery, not having a Gillette razor or a septic stick was no problem for them! And I am sure it was mostly painless....

But regardless of the history of shaving, I’m very thankful I don’t have to resort to the ‘ancient’ methods.





As far as the subject of this thread; that argument is one of the silliest things I've ever heard! :crazy

[TRFrance]

I'm asking if you heard that argument? I don't need any other commentary until someone affirms.
Never heard that before.

But if that's their argument, maybe they can tell us why Aaron had a beard too (Psalm 133:2)...
as did David (1 Sam 21:13),
and his servants (2 Sam 10:4),
and Amasa (2 Sam 20:9),
Ezra (Ezra 9:3),
Ezekiel (Ez 5:1),
...and many other Israelite men in general (Lev 13:29, 14:9, 19:27 etc.)

Have they come up with some concocted explanations for those too?

[freeatlast]

Never heard that before.

But if that's their argument, maybe they can tell us why Aaron had a beard too (Psalm 133:2)...
as did David (1 Sam 21:13),
and his servants (2 Sam 10:4),
and Amasa (2 Sam 20:9),
Ezra (Ezra 9:3),
Ezekiel (Ez 5:1),
...and many other Israelite men in general (Lev 13:29, 14:9, 19:27 etc.)

Have they come up with some concocted explanations for those too?



Taking that all into consideration TRF....how can any preacher feel right about commanding that no men in his church grow any beard or mustache.

[AbundantGrace]

Has anyone heard that argument? I have heard it (several yrs ago). Anyone else?

YES, I've heard it and it's completely and utterly ridiculous!

[TRFrance]

Taking that all into consideration TRF....how can any preacher feel right about commanding that no men in his church grow any beard or mustache.

2 primary arguments I've heard:

A....Its about order, and neatness, and to them being clean shave looks neater and more proper than a man having a beard. According to this line of reasoning, that's why in corporate America many Fortune 500 companies require the men to be clean shaven.
(Not sure how true that really is, but I fail to see why that would be relevant to the body of Christ anyway. Many Fortune 500 companies also recognize homosexual partnerships among their employees too, but you don't see the church emulating that!)
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B... Jesus said "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven", so God gave the Apostles, and local church leaders, the right to set whatever rules they wish to, and God will honor it based on that verse in Matt 16:19.
(Needless to say, I consider this to be a wretched twisting of scripture to justify a man-made, and unnecessarily intrusive, teaching and practice. In my view, the whole "no beards" thing is mainly pastoral overreach, and is symptomatic of an unfortunate desire too many Apostolic pastors have to exert [too much] control over the lives of their saints.)

[Praxeas]

2 primary arguments I've heard:

A....Its about order, and neatness, and to them being clean shave looks neater and more proper than a man having a beard. According to this line of reasoning, that's why in corporate America many Fortune 500 companies require the men to be clean shaven.
(Not sure how true that really is, but I fail to see why that would be relevant to the body of Christ anyway. Many Fortune 500 companies also recognize homosexual partnerships among their employees too, but you don't see the church emulating that!)

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This is true. In fact I recall discussing Pentecostal issues with someone that was very anti-Pentecostal at paltalk by the nick of promoe. He said as a salesman he was taught to have clean shaven face because you would appear more trusting. Im ok with that as long as it is not mandatory and a heaven or hell issue.



B... Jesus said "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven", so God gave the Apostles, and local church leaders, the right to set whatever rules they wish to, and God will honor it based on that verse in Matt 16:19.
(Needless to say, I consider this to be a wretched twisting of scripture to justify a man-made, and unnecessarily intrusive, teaching and practice. In my view, the whole "no beards" thing is mainly pastoral overreach, and is symptomatic of an unfortunate desire too many Apostolic pastors have to exert [too much] control over the lives of their saints.

It is a twisting of scriptures. Jesus was not teaching pastors can come up with any loony doctrine they want and God will back it up

[Sam]

I can't think of any verse from the KJV that definitely says that Jesus had a beard. A verse that has been used is Isaiah 50:6 which says:
I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. (KJV)
or
I gave My back to those who struck Me,
And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard;
I did not hide My face from shame and spitting. (NKJV)

That verse is usually considered to be a prophecy of Jesus and the way He suffered.

I have not personally heard any preacher say so, but I have heard that some preachers have preached that Jesus did not have a beard, but since He had been arrested after having dinner with His disciples He had not shaved for a few hours and what was referred to there was the Roman soldiers using tweezers to pull out some beard stubble that was several hours old.

My ALJC pastor said in his Sunday night sermon "The Bible says that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." When I left after the service I did not come back again except as a visitor a couple of times years later.

[berkeley]

Berk, is this argument implying Jesus shaved before he was taken before Pilate and Herod? And the only reason he had a beard when he died is because he did not have the means to shave?

YES!

[Brad Murphy]

If only he would have had an overnight bag... :(

[Rico]

YES!

Everybody's heard that nonsense before. Why are you asking?

[berkeley]

Everybody's heard that nonsense before. Why are you asking?

Because I found this in the bible that I believe refutes it! durr.

[U376977]

I can't think of any verse from the KJV that definitely says that Jesus had a beard. A verse that has been used is Isaiah 50:6 which says:
I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. (KJV)
or
I gave My back to those who struck Me,
And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard;
I did not hide My face from shame and spitting. (NKJV)

That verse is usually considered to be a prophecy of Jesus and the way He suffered.

I have not personally heard any preacher say so, but I have heard that some preachers have preached that Jesus did not have a beard, but since He had been arrested after having dinner with His disciples He had not shaved for a few hours and what was referred to there was the Roman soldiers using tweezers to pull out some beard stubble that was several hours old.

My ALJC pastor said in his Sunday night sermon "The Bible says that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." When I left after the service I did not come back again except as a visitor a couple of times years later.

Sam, Could it mean that he was clean shaven, expect for the sideburns? Were not the Jewish men forbidden to cut their sideburns. I see the modern Hasidic with the curls??

[TRFrance]

I can't think of any verse from the KJV that definitely says that Jesus had a beard. A verse that has been used is Isaiah 50:6 which says:
I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. (KJV)
or
I gave My back to those who struck Me,
And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard;
I did not hide My face from shame and spitting. (NKJV)

That verse is usually considered to be a prophecy of Jesus and the way He suffered.


Definitely...
1... Without question the passage is prophetic, and is referring to Jesus. I don't believe one can make an informed argument that it's not.
2... Clearly from context the hair (KJV) is referring to the hair on his (Jesus') cheeks... which is why most modern versions correctly refer to it in Is 50:6 as the "beard".

My ALJC pastor said in his Sunday night sermon "The Bible says that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." When I left after the service I did not come back again except as a visitor a couple of times years later.

When I hear preachers say blatantly un-biblical stuff like that, I cant help it -- but their credibility is seriously damaged, in my mind. From that point on, it makes me begin to wonder how much prayer and study they put into their sermons, and I have to now seriously filter anything I hear them say in the future... (if I even let myself listen to them again, that is).

I have not personally heard any preacher say so, but I have heard that some preachers have preached that Jesus did not have a beard, but since He had been arrested after having dinner with His disciples He had not shaved for a few hours and what was referred to there was the Roman soldiers using tweezers to pull out some beard stubble that was several hours old.

Its a shame the extent men will go to, to distort the word of God to support & justify the non-biblical stuff they want to impose on God's people.

That stuff can get to the point where, to my mind , that stuff becomes not just intellectually dishonest, but just it's just straight-up dishonest, plain and simple.

[Rico]

Because I found this in the bible that I believe refutes it! durr.

Just do a study on beards, Bro. It won't take you long. Probly can knock it out in one sitting. There is zero scripture against beards and plenty in favor of them. durr. :D

[berkeley]

Just do a study on beards, Bro. It won't take you long. Probly can knock it out in one sitting. There is zero scripture against beards and plenty in favor of them. durr. :D

I only wanted to refute the one argument.

[freeatlast]

The stance, taken by the majority of our O/P pastors, that men be clean shaven, that they have no facial hair, like many of our "holiness standards" is just more HAIR-esy.

Strongly enforced customs and traditions that they claim have scriptural support, to which I say HOOYEY.

I have, for the last year or so, worn a mustache and chin whiskers.

I wear it in memeory of the men and their families that WE have run out of our churches over this stupidity.

[TRFrance]

I have, for the last year or so, worn a mustache and chin whiskers.

I wear it in memeory of the men and their families that WE have run out of our churches over this stupidity.
Its a bit scary to consider that we have indeed run many off from our churches over this... likely with eternal consequences too. So unnecessary. and so sad.

[jediwill83]

I say since it was Jewish custom and since He was recognized as a rabbi or teacher who taught in the synagoges"I probably just butchered this word cause my phone doesnt have spell check" I believe He had a beard.Shaving was an Egyptian custom and one of the reasons the Romans shaved is because in battle a beard is one thing an enemy can get a grip on to stab you or cut your throat.Cant see blood thirsty Romans going after Jesus with tweezers like He was at some kind of dayspa....they YANKED that bad boy off

[pelathais]

How sharp were the razors back then... did you have to use a stone?
Obsidian fractures at extremely sharp angles and the stone is so hard that it keeps a fine edge for a long time. It's still the blade of choice among some specialist surgeons.

Iron was sharpened and polished to be used as a razor in antiquity. The Romans introduced the customer of the "clean shave" for purposes of hygiene and comfort. It was considered bad manners to crack the lice in your beard at the table. The way to delouse yourself was to shave off all of your body hair.

Shaving was available to the ancients with more or less the modern levels of comfort. Again, for the Romans it even became a sign of obedience and subservience to authority figures at times. To this day (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02362a.htm) the Popes require that all of their clergy shave their faces. This is enforced with differing levels and those RCC clergy who do sport beards do so to show their rebellion or at least their dissatisfaction with some aspect of the RCC system.

When they left the RCC, Protestant men used to grow beards to show their renunciation of Roman Catholic tradition. Martin Luther and John Calvin both grew beards before even taking wives to show their split from Rome.

"Come out of her, my people!" Revelation 18:1-4

[Brad Murphy]

Obsidian fractures at extremely sharp angles and the stone is so hard that it keeps a fine edge for a long time. It's still the blade of choice among some specialist surgeons.

Iron was sharpened and polished to be used as a razor in antiquity. The Romans introduced the customer of the "clean shave" for purposes of hygiene and comfort. It was considered bad manners to crack the lice in your beard at the table. The way to delouse yourself was to shave off all of your body hair.

Shaving was available to the ancients with more or less the modern levels of comfort. Again, for the Romans it even became a sign of obedience and subservience to authority figures at times. To this day (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02362a.htm) the Popes require that all of their clergy shave their faces. This is enforced with differing levels and those RCC clergy who do sport beards do so to show their rebellion or at least their dissatisfaction with some aspect of the RCC system.

When they left the RCC, Protestant men used to grow beards to show their renunciation of Roman Catholic tradition. Martin Luther and John Calvin both grew beards before even taking wives to show their split from Rome.

"Come out of her, my people!" Revelation 18:1-4

Thanks, I always learn something from you! (and if you check my posts, I don't say things like that lightly)

[TRFrance]

Shaving was available to the ancients with more or less the modern levels of comfort. Again, for the Romans it even became a sign of obedience and subservience to authority figures at times. To this day (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02362a.htm) the Popes require that all of their clergy shave their faces. This is enforced with differing levels and those RCC clergy who do sport beards do so to show their rebellion or at least their dissatisfaction with some aspect of the RCC system.

When they left the RCC, Protestant men used to grow beards to show their renunciation of Roman Catholic tradition. Martin Luther and John Calvin both grew beards before even taking wives to show their split from Rome.

"Come out of her, my people!" Revelation 18:1-4
Interesting.
To take that a step further, some might say then that growing a beard could be seen as making a statement against the neo-Papal authoritarianism that exists in too many of our Apostolic churches today.

[TK Burk]

Obsidian fractures at extremely sharp angles and the stone is so hard that it keeps a fine edge for a long time. It's still the blade of choice among some specialist surgeons.

Iron was sharpened and polished to be used as a razor in antiquity. The Romans introduced the customer of the "clean shave" for purposes of hygiene and comfort. It was considered bad manners to crack the lice in your beard at the table. The way to delouse yourself was to shave off all of your body hair.

Shaving was available to the ancients with more or less the modern levels of comfort. Again, for the Romans it even became a sign of obedience and subservience to authority figures at times. To this day (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02362a.htm) the Popes require that all of their clergy shave their faces. This is enforced with differing levels and those RCC clergy who do sport beards do so to show their rebellion or at least their dissatisfaction with some aspect of the RCC system.
When they left the RCC, Protestant men used to grow beards to show their renunciation of Roman Catholic tradition. Martin Luther and John Calvin both grew beards before even taking wives to show their split from Rome.

"Come out of her, my people!" Revelation 18:1-4

This is not 100% accurate.

Shaving is older than Rome. The Egyptians were shaving their faces and bodies for hygiene long before Romulus and Remus were born.

As far as Popes requiring clean shaven clergy; the article you referenced disagreed. It said that beards were worn by both Clement VII and Paul III. It further stated: "in Eastern lands a smooth face carries with it the suggestion of effeminacy. For this reason the clergy, whether Catholic or Schismatic, of the Oriental churches have always worn their beards. The same consideration, together with a regard for practical difficulties, has influenced the Roman authorities in according a similar privilege to missionaries, not only in the East but in other barbarous countries where the conveniences of civilization cannot be found. In the case of religious orders like the Capuchins and the Camaldolese Hermits the wearing of a beard is prescribed in their constitutions as a mark of austerity and penance. Individual priests who for medical or other reasons desire to exempt themselves from the law require the permission of their bishop."

[shag]

I grew a short beard a year ago, and have had it since for the most part. It's been stated, while I was setting in an open discussion church mens class setting, that men in "the church" that grow a beard, generally do it out of rebellion.
And that, along with a few other"religous" comments (60's worldly etc.)were made. I held my tongue, (and my tongue still hurts from it- hehe). I chose not to speak cause I would have been even more "labeled" for speaking conflictingly with "the man of God", especially in the presence of quite a few new converts.

I am of the opinion, that "leaders" push it (clean shavedness) to keep unity of the fellowship or organization, whether they think its an issue or not. I also believe oftentimes, leaders put "unity of and loyalty to the brethren(even when upholding doctorines of man)" above "unity of the Spirit" and "unity of the Word". Which doing so is not "kingdom", and eventually brings disaster to "unity of the brethren". -IMHO

Of course a flip side of the coin that some could use would be this verse: 1 Cor. 8:13
Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. (likewise beards?)

[shag]

As far as hearing the argument that Jesus grew a beard during transfer from Pilant to Herod, I don't ever recall hearing that one.

[TRFrance]

As far as hearing the argument that Jesus grew a beard during transfer from Pilant to Herod, I don't ever recall hearing that one.
At best, it's an absurd stretch to make such a claim... at worst, its a perverse and shameful twisting of God's word, to claim biblical support for an un-biblical teaching.

[Frank_H_Smith]

The argument that Jesus was clean shaven and grew a beard in the 24 = or - hours that he was in custody is absurd. There were laws not to round off the corner of you beards; David's men had half their beards shaven to shame them; and it is a historical fact that jews wore beards in as in the case of the oil which ran down Aron's Beard. When I was pastoring a church, a man and his family came into the church. He had a ZZ Top style beard. I thought he was new to Christianity. He knew the bible better than I. He showed me from the Bible how Jesus was probably born on the feast of tabernacle and how the feast days were types and shadows of God's Plan. We need to spend more time on our selves and less time teaching our neighbor.

[Sam]

I'm asking if you heard that argument? I don't need any other commentary until someone affirms.

I had not heard that argument.
It is my understanding that Jesus was arrested at night, dragged back and forth between Pilate and Herod that night and crucified the next day.

I have read on a forum that since Jesus was arrested at night He had not shaved since that morning so He would have had several hours of beard stubble which the Roman soldiers removed with tweezers (which presumably they carried in their pockets).

[Arphaxad]

How sharp were the razors back then... did you have to use a stone?

I read an article in some science journal years ago that some ancient obsidian blades (I cant remember if thats the right word) were found that were sharper than modern stainless steel scalpels. I think these things were so sharp that they didn't actually "cut", but displaced molecules.

ARPH:doggyrun

BTW- I heard that stubble beard theory before but never paid much attention to it.

[Aquila]

I believe they had razors and sheers and even shaved, many shaved their heads as part of various vows and we know hair was shorn on men and adulterous women. However, I think the argument that Jesus didn't have a beard and only grew it out before his crucifixion is unbiblical. Jesus, like most Jewish men, had a beard. If he didn't wear a beard and grew one especially for the crucifixion the Bible would explain the relevance of this, not hint at it or even disregard it. I think this argument is exactly that, an "argument".

And if it's argued that Jesus was shaved for some vow...one would have to argue that he was bald too. lol It's all just silliness.

Just my thoughts.

[Truthseeker]

We have heard men should look like men and women like women. Clothes for gender distinctions, colors have gender distinction, styles etc.....But then we tell men to be clean shaved leaving their face lady like. Facial hair is natural dgender distinction, is it not?

[Frank_H_Smith]

Brian, I am confused. I have heard arguments about the Sabbath, the Feast Days, The Godhead, whether it is Christian to be unshaven, and practically every other possible subject that churches with certain non-Biblical Doctrine could make. Some even about the birthday of Jesus. However, I thought you were looking for the Biblical perspective on this subject. Since Sam quoted you, I am assuming that he felt that my response was off target. If you are looking for Truth, The Bible and not the logical presentation of the subject to support doctrines, beliefs, and practices is the best place to look. Jesus like all the Jews of His time had a full, un-rounded, beard since we know that he is the fulfillment of Torah.

[jfrog]

This is true. In fact I recall discussing Pentecostal issues with someone that was very anti-Pentecostal at paltalk by the nick of promoe. He said as a salesman he was taught to have clean shaven face because you would appear more trusting. Im ok with that as long as it is not mandatory and a heaven or hell issue.


WOW! you know of promoe... If I may ask, what was your nic on there?