Mens dress standards in the upc church

[KWSS1976]

I would like to know where in the bible it states men cannot wear shorts. I will let you know that I myself wear shorts I know all of the scriptures that deal with modesty none tell me that I cannot wear shorts. And on the hair issue with womem how do you classify long hair. woman can have hair to her shoulders and it is long.

[Jack Shephard]

I would like to know where in the bible it states men cannot wear shorts. I will let you know that I myself wear shorts I know all of the scriptures that deal with modesty none tell me that I cannot wear shorts. And on the hair issue with womem how do you classify long hair. woman can have hair to her shoulders and it is long.

Great questions. These have been covered and recovered and recovered here. For new memebers often they are not sure how to search for topics on here. There is a serach function. But you have asked valid questions.

There is nothing remotely speaking about men and shorts. As you stated modesty is talked about. One persons limits or ceiling on what is modest is another persons beginning or floor on what is modest. A person has to workout their salvation through a realtionship with the Lord and I believe in that communication that He will reveal what He wants. Men and women here are baised on both sides. Listen to the Lord and what he wants.

The length issue is one of the most debated issues on this forum. One persons long is another persons short. I attended church for the first 20 years of my life with a lady and her family. She had not cut or trimmed her hair in anyway since she was 18. She is now in her late 30's. Her hair is to her shoulders, but barely touches as far down as her shoulder blades. People look at her and think she cuts. She doesn't. My wife has hair to the lower part of her back and from time time she trims it. Which is considered long in most people mind? It again is a level or conviction one must work out with the Lord. I have no issues with wear shorts and women cutting hair. I started a thread about me getting some tattoos for goodness sake. I was raised very conservative, but everyone has to come to the point and make limits on what is ok and what is not. Make your choices and stick with them.

[KWSS1976]

I just feel we have visitors to our church and I have seen women that wear pants I have no problem with this as they are womens pants not mens pants and they show less skin than a skirt. but they come one sunday and then do not come back I know they feel out of place but what can the church do to keep people coming back. I don't care if you walk into church in your pj's you come to worship god and that is all that matters.

[Jack Shephard]

I just feel we have visitors to our church and I have seen women that wear pants I have no problem with this as they are womens pants not mens pants and they show less skin than a skirt. but they come one sunday and then do not come back I know they feel out of place but what can the church do to keep people coming back. I don't care if you walk into church in your pj's you come to worship god and that is all that matters.

I have seen this many time over the years. My experience is that though they might feel different about the pants issues I am not certain that is the only thing keeping them away. Our churches are losing memebers like you wouldn't believe. I saw stats from Barna Research that Non-Denominal churches are gaining memebers while denominations are losing. I know that my church specifically have lost lots of members. As have others around us. The non-denoms are growing in size and some of them follow oneness teaching except the strict judemental dress code and similar things. Some of the largest churches here are of the oneness background but nothing like a UPC church. Comfort level is key. Even if a church believes certain things are heaven and hell make the church accomodating to visitors and then once they join teach them. I am affraid the big down fall is that people can feel the judgemental spirit looking their way greater than the spirit of God moving.

[KWSS1976]

I totally agree but somthing has to be making visitors feel this I feel it and I have been in an pentecostal church for a while.

[AmazingGrace]

Did you by any chance think about scanning the forum and see if there werent already 2000 other threads about this same thing before you started beating this horse again?! UGH!!!:club :doh:drama:beatdeadhorse

[Jack Shephard]

Did you by any chance think about scanning the forum and see if there werent already 2000 other threads about this same thing before you started beating this horse again?! UGH!!!:club :doh:drama:beatdeadhorse

AG....read my first post. Advised of the search method. Maybe KWSS didn't know about that.

You offended?

[Michael Phelps]

Did you by any chance think about scanning the forum and see if there werent already 2000 other threads about this same thing before you started beating this horse again?! UGH!!!:club :doh:drama:beatdeadhorse

He's a newbie, AG, let's cut him some slack?

[AmazingGrace]

He's a newbie, AG, let's cut him some slack?

Sorry MP... just gets well read my last post then I will delete it... it explains to you and JT then I will delete... :)

[KWSS1976]

I don't do fourms this is acually the first one I have ever posted on so my driving might not be the best.

[AmazingGrace]

I don't do fourms this is acually the first one I have ever posted on so my driving might not be the best.

K man, maybe my post was a lil harsh... a lil fyi for ya.

At the bottom of the page when you start a new thread. There will be a list of threads after you type in the name of your thread intention... look thru that and it will give you all active threads that are similar. This has been cussed and discussed and rediscussed. I will back off. Sorry. :)

[Michael Phelps]

Sorry MP... just gets well read my last post then I will delete it... it explains to you and JT then I will delete... :)

The beauty of a forum is that it has a life cycle like any other dynamic living document...........and sometimes the old becomes new again, but you have new people posting new things, and it's really not that old after all.

Kind of like a preacher who pastors the same church for 30 years - eventually, you're going to preach the same message at least twice. The difference is that you have new people (hopefully), and the preacher has had new experiences that help him to add freshness.

I am like you sometimes, to be honest, I get tired of the same old standards, steppers, trintarians are going to hell threads, but I must admit, sometimes when they're resurrected, new thoughts emerge.

In any case, I think we should allow our new members some latitude. If it appears that they are here only for a fight, they'll eventually burn out!

[AmazingGrace]

The beauty of a forum is that it has a life cycle like any other dynamic living document...........and sometimes the old becomes new again, but you have new people posting new things, and it's really not that old after all.

Kind of like a preacher who pastors the same church for 30 years - eventually, you're going to preach the same message at least twice. The difference is that you have new people (hopefully), and the preacher has had new experiences that help him to add freshness.

I am like you sometimes, to be honest, I get tired of the same old standards, steppers, trintarians are going to hell threads, but I must admit, sometimes when they're resurrected, new thoughts emerge.

In any case, I think we should allow our new members some latitude. If it appears that they are here only for a fight, they'll eventually burn out!


LOL.... K... it took you longer to type that post than it did for me to retract the fangs this time LOL :tease:dance

I am getting better!

Oh and welcome thread starter person with a lotta letters and numbers in your name LOL

[Timmy]

Don't even ask what the Holy Spirit tells me is modest! :tease

[AmazingGrace]

Don't even ask what the Holy Spirit tells me is modest! :tease

I promise we WONT!!!! LOL :ursofunny:ursofunny

[LadyRev]

Men's dress standards in the UPC? What's that?

:tease:whistle

[AmazingGrace]

Men's dress standards in the UPC? What's that?

:tease:whistle

Their jacket length must be below the buttox?! LOL...

Just guessing??!?!:evilglee

[Cindy]

Most of them that I know wear clothes. :D

[AmazingGrace]

Most of them that I know wear clothes. :D

MOST?!!??! Where you been hanging out?! ROFL Nevermind I dont wanna know! Lord I need to go this place is getting weird! :ursofunny:dance

[Cindy]

MOST?!!??! Where you been hanging out?! ROFL Nevermind I dont wanna know! Lord I need to go this place is getting weird! :ursofunny:dance

Girl, I don't know EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!:ursofunny

[AmazingGrace]

Girl, I don't know EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!:ursofunny

ROFL!!!!! Your a nut! Oh well I already knew that and I have to go shopping for 2 wedding showers a baby shower and a birthday so I am gonna go awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy far far awayyyyyyyyyyy! Have fun and I pray I dont meet any of those who DONT!!!! LOL :ursofunny:dance

[LadyRev]

their jacket length must be below the buttox?! Lol...

Just guessing??!?!:evilglee

lolrotf!!!!!!!!!!!

[LadyRev]

Most of them that I know wear clothes. :D

Yup, thats about the only requirement.

[AmazingGrace]

Yup, thats about the only requirement.

Now there was a MOST there.... Thats kinda scary! Did you not catch that?! That means she knows some that DONT! LOL :friend

[Neck]

I would like to know where in the bible it states men cannot wear shorts. I will let you know that I myself wear shorts I know all of the scriptures that deal with modesty none tell me that I cannot wear shorts. And on the hair issue with womem how do you classify long hair. woman can have hair to her shoulders and it is long.

In the book that written by the 13th Apostle called the Ministerial Hanbook...

[jimmyrrs]

I would like to know where in the bible it states men cannot wear shorts. I will let you know that I myself wear shorts I know all of the scriptures that deal with modesty none tell me that I cannot wear shorts. And on the hair issue with womem how do you classify long hair. woman can have hair to her shoulders and it is long.

True the Bible does not state that a man cannot wear shorts. It does not state that a person can not smoke. It does speak of markings on the body and following the world. Standards are different from church to church. The Bible is clear on one thing. 1 Peter 2:9, But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.
As a child of God you should stand out from the rest of the world. You should not be as one of them. Does that mean you're not to talk to them? No. Be friends but let your light shine bright for all to see.
1 Peter 5:8, Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

[Cindy]

Y'all better watch out there is a movement to have men preachers wear linen bonnets. :)

[jaxfam6]

K man, maybe my post was a lil harsh... a lil fyi for ya.

At the bottom of the page when you start a new thread. There will be a list of threads after you type in the name of your thread intention... look thru that and it will give you all active threads that are similar. This has been cussed and discussed and rediscussed. I will back off. Sorry. :)

you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

=)

[jaxfam6]

True the Bible does not state that a man cannot wear shorts. It does not state that a person can not smoke. It does speak of markings on the body and following the world. Standards are different from church to church. The Bible is clear on one thing. 1 Peter 2:9, But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.
As a child of God you should stand out from the rest of the world. You should not be as one of them. Does that mean you're not to talk to them? No. Be friends but let your light shine bright for all to see.
1 Peter 5:8, Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

I think more could be accomplished if the inward man stood out and was reflecting Jesus Christ. Jesus did not look so different from his generation by look but he certainly did by ACTIONS.

[Cindy]

I think more could be accomplished if the inward man stood out and was reflecting Jesus Christ. Jesus did not look so different from his generation by look but he certainly did by ACTIONS.

And ATTITUDE!

[AmazingGrace]

you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

=)

Hey man dont pick on me and get it right.................. It wasnt the wrong side of the bed.......... I woke up on the wrong side of my CAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Whew now I feel better! :tease

[jaxfam6]

When I first read the name of this thread I thought you were going to tell me how long my man skirt had to be to be on the platform preaching.



:ursofunny:ursofunny

[jaxfam6]

Hey man dont pick on me and get it right.................. It wasnt the wrong side of the bed.......... I woke up on the wrong side of my CAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Whew now I feel better! :tease

wow your husband really knows how to keep you in line doesn't he
did he throw away the key? if not he may want to.


:ursofunny


this reminds me of a song


The devil is a sly ole fox
If I could catch him I'd put him in a box
I'd lock that box and throw away the key
for all the dirty tricks he's played on me

and I am sure you know the rest


looks like AG's husband caught the devil

:ursofunny:ursofunny

[AmazingGrace]

wow your husband really knows how to keep you in line doesn't he
did he throw away the key? if not he may want to.


:ursofunny


this reminds me of a song


The devil is a sly ole fox
If I could catch him I'd put him in a box
I'd lock that box and throw away the key
for all the dirty tricks he's played on me

and I am sure you know the rest


looks like AG's husband caught the devil

:ursofunny:ursofunny


No he has to let me loose 2 weeks a month to take care of the kids while he is gone to work then he locks me back up LOL

[Cindy]

No he has to let me loose 2 weeks a month to take care of the kids while he is gone to work then he locks me back up LOL


And we all know, you need the rest!!!!!!!!:tease

:lol :lol

[jaxfam6]

:ursofunny:ursofunnyNo he has to let me loose 2 weeks a month to take care of the kids while he is gone to work then he locks me back up LOL

[jimmyrrs]

I think more could be accomplished if the inward man stood out and was reflecting Jesus Christ. Jesus did not look so different from his generation by look but he certainly did by ACTIONS.

The inward man must stand out. We are to let our light shine for all mankind to see. At the same time as a child of God we are a peculiar people. Not only in the way we worship or believe, but the way we look and act. God did not intend for us to live as close to the edge of the world as we think we can or should.

If I am an Apostolic (oneness) person, yet I dress as the world dresses, how will they know I'm different. Yes, I relize one could say they will know it when you speak to them, but there are times when that never happens. We live in a time when people notice things that are different.

How many times has a person came up to you and ask are you Penecostal? Yes I am. I knew it by the way you were dressed or by your actions. I truely believe that we are to stand out in the world.

When I was growing up in the UPC, standards were preached a lot. Some I agree with others I don't. I do believe that the Lord will direct a person in the way they should go or follow. Just beware.

Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

[ronharvey]

Many years ago, my 1st pastor told me I had to wear a suit.

I explained the only one I had was the one I was born with, did he want me to wear it?

After staring at me about a minute he laughed :crazy and told me to dress the best I could.


I saved for a suit to buy later.

Ron

[Sister Alvear]

Busy making bonnets no time to post today...ha....

[Withdrawn]

If I am an Apostolic (oneness) person, yet I dress as the world dresses, how will they know I'm different. Yes, I relize one could say they will know it when you speak to them, but there are times when that never happens. We live in a time when people notice things that are different.

I've heard this tired old argument for years, and I don't buy it. What witness are you really being by just showing someone you dress differently? I've NEVER known of anyone repenting and being filled with the Holy Ghost based on seeing someone who "looks Pentecostal." It is our WORDS and our ACTIONS that are our testimony and our witness. People will only care about our message when they know that we care about them. And they're not going to know we care about them by how we dress. JAXFAM6 made the perfect point when he pointed out that Jesus didn't dress differently than the world around Him. The impact He made was based on what He DID - not what He wore.

[ronharvey]

I've heard this tired old argument for years, and I don't buy it. What witness are you really being by just showing someone you dress differently? I've NEVER known of anyone repenting and being filled with the Holy Ghost based on seeing someone who "looks Pentecostal." It is our WORDS and our ACTIONS that are our testimony and our witness. People will only care about our message when they know that we care about them. And they're not going to know we care about them by how we dress. JAXFAM6 made the perfect point when he pointed out that Jesus didn't dress differently than the world around Him. The impact He made was based on what He DID - not what He wore.

Good point,

EXAMPLE:

Punkers who dress the way they do as a sign of their rebellion, when they receive th gift of the Holy Ghost and take out the piercings and other 'utilities'
on their own should not be discouraged from doing so but someone who dresses normally in a modest fashion needs not to be told they need to wear their collars up to their ears either.

Ron

[jaxfam6]

I've heard this tired old argument for years, and I don't buy it. What witness are you really being by just showing someone you dress differently? I've NEVER known of anyone repenting and being filled with the Holy Ghost based on seeing someone who "looks Pentecostal." It is our WORDS and our ACTIONS that are our testimony and our witness. People will only care about our message when they know that we care about them. And they're not going to know we care about them by how we dress. JAXFAM6 made the perfect point when he pointed out that Jesus didn't dress differently than the world around Him. The impact He made was based on what He DID - not what He wore.

Thank you
I thought it was a good point also. unfortunately it falls on many deaf ears.

[RandyWayne]

Good point,

EXAMPLE:

Punkers who dress the way they do as a sign of their rebellion, when they receive th gift of the Holy Ghost and take out the piercings and other 'utilities'
on their own should not be discouraged from doing so but someone who dresses normally in a modest fashion needs not to be told they need to wear their collars up to their ears either.

Ron

I believe what he was referring to is NOT failing to dress modestly (if they weren't doing it already), but looking "pentecostal". (You CAN be modest yet not have the pentecostal costume.)

Usually this applies to women 90% of the time, but I have heard time and time again from women who say "so many people ask me about my long hair!" (or countless variations). My reply is always that that is a conversation starter, nothing more. If "we" all started writing some weird made-up symbol on our forehead, no doubt that would start just as many, if not more.

[ronharvey]

I believe what he was referring to is NOT failing to dress modestly (if they weren't doing it already), but looking "pentecostal". (You CAN be modest yet not have the pentecostal costume.)

Usually this applies to women 90% of the time, but I have heard time and time again from women who say "so many people ask me about my long hair!" (or countless variations). My reply is always that that is a conversation starter, nothing more. If "we" all started writing some weird made-up symbol on our forehead, no doubt that would start just as many, if not more.

I did realize that hence "someone who dresses normally in a modest fashion needs not to be told they need to wear their collars up to their ears either."

Pentecostals tended to 'over dress' to impress! :snapout

Good points though.

Ron

[Joelel]

Men and women should wear robes from the neck to the feet and arms also so their shapes are not shown. No shorts at any time.

[Michael Phelps]

Men and women should wear robes from the neck to the feet and arms also so their shapes are not shown. No shorts at any time.

Joelel,

If this is TIC, it's funny! I didn't know you had a sense of humor!

Of course if it's serious, it's just weird!:ursofunny

[jimmyrrs]

I've heard this tired old argument for years, and I don't buy it. What witness are you really being by just showing someone you dress differently? I've NEVER known of anyone repenting and being filled with the Holy Ghost based on seeing someone who "looks Pentecostal." It is our WORDS and our ACTIONS that are our testimony and our witness. People will only care about our message when they know that we care about them. And they're not going to know we care about them by how we dress. JAXFAM6 made the perfect point when he pointed out that Jesus didn't dress differently than the world around Him. The impact He made was based on what He DID - not what He wore.

Jaamez, I would ask that you go back and read my other remarks and please do not take them out of context.

"True the Bible does not state that a man cannot wear shorts. It does not state that a person can not smoke. It does speak of markings on the body and following the world. Standards are different from church to church. The Bible is clear on one thing. 1 Peter 2:9, But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.
As a child of God you should stand out from the rest of the world. You should not be as one of them. Does that mean you're not to talk to them? No. Be friends but let your light shine bright for all to see."

"The inward man must stand out. We are to let our light shine for all mankind to see. At the same time as a child of God we are a peculiar people. Not only in the way we worship or believe, but the way we look and act. God did not intend for us to live as close to the edge of the world as we think we can or should."

I do not go around wearing a suit all the time. You will find me more often than not in a pull over shirt or tee shirt and jeans. I do not wear shorts because it is a personal conviction. I do not judge others for wearing them.
Even so, I have been ask about being a oneness person while wearing jeans.
Why? Becasue something is different about a child of God.

RandyWayne said it best "dress modestly.

If you wish to use "Jesus didn't dress differently than the world around Him"
attitude, then I must ask, when in Rome do you do as the Romans. Be careful how you answer.

Test. Are you sure you know that Jesus dressed as the others?

[ronharvey]

Men and women should wear robes from the neck to the feet and arms also so their shapes are not shown. No shorts at any time.

Wouldn't that make it a long kilt? .

Ron

[Jermyn Davidson]

Ok, Did Jesus dress like the other men of His earthly time or not?

This enquiring ind wants to know.

[jimmyrrs]

Hey 1399,

I will give you my opinion. I think Jesus wore a robe as did many others during that time. Did he dress just like the others? I don't know. What I do know is that something was different about him. Was it his healing powers, his talk, his actions, his dress? I'm sure it was a little of it all.

In Numbers 15, the blue fringe was a reminded to them to be set apart. To keep his commandments and be holy. They were different. The blue fringe was not only a reminded to them but anytime someone else saw it they know they were different or wondered why they had a blue fringe in the barder and would ask questions. What sets a person apart from he world if we look alike, act alike, tak alike, etc...I don't believe that Jesus conformed to the world, during his time.

Numbers 15:37-41

37And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

38Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:

39And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them ; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

40That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.

41I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.

[jaxfam6]

Hey 1399,

I will give you my opinion. I think Jesus wore a robe as did many others during that time. Did he dress just like the others? I don't know. What I do know is that something was different about him. Was it his healing powers, his talk, his actions, his dress? I'm sure it was a little of it all.

In Numbers 15, the blue fringe was a reminded to them to be set apart. To keep his commandments and be holy. They were different. The blue fringe was not only a reminded to them but anytime someone else saw it they know they were different or wondered why they had a blue fringe in the barder and would ask questions. What sets a person apart from he world if we look alike, act alike, tak alike, etc...I don't believe that Jesus conformed to the world, during his time.

Numbers 15:37-41

37And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

38Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:

39And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them ; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

40That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.

41I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.

And Jesus world was Israel. So if he dressed just like other Israelites with the blue fringe he would be just like all others in his time in his world.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Somehow, I don't think Jesus was wearing blue fringe to set Him apart, not as He was counted as company to "winebibbers" and tax collectors and such.

He was outside of the established religious order of His day.

What set Him apart emanated from the inside. He made Himself of no reputation and I think if you were just to look at Him and never try to meet Him, you might have missed Him.

Just like today, the spectators in "church" i-anity miss Him, but those who try to meet Him get to know Him as Father, Savior and friend.

[jaxfam6]

Somehow, I don't think Jesus was wearing blue fringe to set Him apart, not as He was counted as company to "winebibbers" and tax collectors and such.

He was outside of the established religious order of His day.

What set Him apart emanated from the inside. He made Himself of no reputation and I think if you were just to look at Him and never try to meet Him, you might have missed Him.

Just like today, the spectators in "church" i-anity miss Him, but those who try to meet Him get to know Him as Father, Savior and friend.

Good post

[jimmyrrs]

And Jesus world was Israel. So if he dressed just like other Israelites with the blue fringe he would be just like all others in his time in his world.

Friends; I have enjoyed all your post and many have been very good.

Jaxfam, you do understand that Jesus (the manifestation of God whom was made flesh) was not part of Numbers 15: 37-41.
Jesus (in the flesh) as many know him was not born yet. God, Lord, Word, etc.... yes.

Numbers 15 is just a reminder that as a child of God they were to be different. Does this mean we are to be high minded and have the better than you look. NO But we can not conform to this world and become like them.

Romans 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I understand some think this is only the "BODY" (living, breathing part of man), but I must ask are we sure. My studing has lead me to believe that it also is talking about how we present our self, our body, (our temple) outward and inward not only before God but before mankind as well. We are to be as Paul said a living sacrifice, acceptable unto God. What is acceptable unto God? All I can say is pray, fast and read the Word.
I do believe and hold fast to it that this does come in how we dress, how we do not dress, how we talk, how we do not talk, what actions we do, what actions we do not do, where we are seen, where we are not seen. The list goes on. As a child of God you are under the microscope of many, many people at all time. Do the reasonable service.

I will end on this note which may get other feedback. Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

[jaxfam6]

Friends; I have enjoyed all your post and many have been very good.

Jaxfam, you do understand that Jesus (the manifestation of God whom was made flesh) was not part of Numbers 15: 37-41.
Jesus (in the flesh) as many know him was not born yet. God, Lord, Word, etc.... yes.
Numbers 15 is just a reminder that as a child of God they were to be different. Does this mean we are to be high minded and have the better than you look. NO But we can not conform to this world and become like them.

Romans 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I understand some think this is only the "BODY" (living, breathing part of man), but I must ask are we sure. My studing has lead me to believe that it also is talking about how we present our self, our body, (our temple) outward and inward not only before God but before mankind as well. We are to be as Paul said a living sacrifice, acceptable unto God. What is acceptable unto God? All I can say is pray, fast and read the Word.
I do believe and hold fast to it that this does come in how we dress, how we do not dress, how we talk, how we do not talk, what actions we do, what actions we do not do, where we are seen, where we are not seen. The list goes on. As a child of God you are under the microscope of many, many people at all time. Do the reasonable service.

I will end on this note which may get other feedback. Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM let me see. Is Numbers Old or New testament? Gee I really don't know.....

I don't think anyone is saying that we as followers of Christ are to look like the world. What I do think we are saying is that in Jesus day we don't think you were going to look at Jesus and 'see' a physical outward difference in him compared to any others. You were going to find the difference in Jesus in the way he lived, talked, acted, etc. I don't think he wore his robe 6" longer than anyone else. I don't think he wore his sleeves futher down his arms, He robe anymore loose, etc. We might al be surprised to find that at times Jesus may have done exactly like Peter did and stripped off and worked naked. Peter was fishing naked when Jesus came by on one account. Jesus stripped off and then girded himself with only a towel to wash the disciples feet.
Does this mean I am going to go around naked now? God forbid. But I am not going to go getting upset because someone is working and takes their shirt off either. I don't think that act brings them down to a non Christ following level.
Their life is going to prove they are followers if Christ. Their conversation is going to prove they are followers of Christ. By our fruits will be known. Not by how long our skirts are, how long our pant legs are, how white our shirts are.
THERE HAS TO BE BALANCE TO ALL THINGS IN OUR LIVES

[jimmyrrs]

jaxfam6, I'm sorry if I misunderstood your post.

I do agree with you.

"THERE HAS TO BE BALANCE TO ALL THINGS IN OUR LIVES"

[jaxfam6]

jaxfam6, I'm sorry if I misunderstood your post.

I do agree with you.

"THERE HAS TO BE BALANCE TO ALL THINGS IN OUR LIVES"

no problem.
hopefully my facetious comment was taken as just that. not serious.
i tend to leave the smileys out at times on purpose but still don't mean them as serious.
just my twisted humor

[henerygale12]

Hello,

I think you are right from my point of view,It shouldn't be so like that any comment or issue about dress or hair style.




Thanks




Regards
Henery Gale

[RandyWayne]

Some appropriate UPC mens fashions.

http://editorial.sidereel.com/Images/Posts/white_collar_duo.jpg

[Walks_in_islam]

I do miss my old P85......<sigh>

Some appropriate UPC mens fashions.

http://editorial.sidereel.com/Images/Posts/white_collar_duo.jpg

[RandyWayne]

I do miss my old P85......<sigh>

I think there is just something very elegant about a nice mens suit. I guess I learned to appreciate them from my ballroom dancing days. There, many of them even had tails.

[noeticknight]

I think there is just something very elegant about a nice mens suit. I guess I learned to appreciate them from my ballroom dancing days. There, many of them even had tails.


Ballroom dancing...I'm impressed RW! Do you and your wife still dance?

[RandyWayne]

Ballroom dancing...I'm impressed RW! Do you and your wife still dance?

No, my wife doesn't and never did. I was into competitive ballroom for 8 years before we met.

The rumba! (Quite a few years ago. LOL)

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/RandyWayneD/Ballroom/MarishaandRandy6.jpg