Is There Anything Pres. Bush Did Right?

[Falla39]

Why Don't We Hear This Part of the Bush "doctrine"?? Could it be
this is partly why he became so un-popular with some folks. Just
a thought!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266789,00.html

What IS partial-birth abortion?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=What+is+partial-

Falla39

[HappyTown]

He done nothing!

Bush team, Congress negotiate 700-billion-dollar bailout
September 20, 2008 21:26 EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Work continues on a massive government intervention plan to rescue financial institutions by buying up their bad assets.

Treasury officials met with congressional staffers for about two hours on Capitol Hill today. Discussions centered on how the 700-billion-dollar plan would work.

Democrats want to help more strapped borrowers stay in their homes and want to condition the bailout on new limits on pay for executives.

President Bush and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson conferred by phone this afternoon, gauging how the negotiations were unfolding.

Among the key issues up for negotiation is which financial institutions would be eligible for the help. For instance, could hedge funds and pension funds qualify?

The White House is hoping for a deal by the time markets open Monday. Top lawmakers say they'll push to enact the plan in a matter of days.

As a point of interest: if you started counting now at the rate of one number a second, it would take you more than 31 years to reach a billion.
http://www.kgan.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/3856c3fc-www.kgan.com.shtml

Have any ideal what this means to all of us???? Unbelievable. Now we, the taxpayers, get to protect the foreign fat cats and corporate moguls, by being stuck yet again with their bill too. We are doomed!

[Michael Phelps]

He done nothing!


http://www.kgan.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/3856c3fc-www.kgan.com.shtml

Have any ideal what this means to all of us???? Unbelievable. Now we, the taxpayers, get to protect the foreign fat cats and corporate moguls, by being stuck yet again with their bill too. We are doomed!

Hahahaha, HappyTown, your posts used to annoy me, but now they amuse me! Keep posting! It's like frosting on the cake, hehe.:ursofunny

[TK Burk]

Bush is a politician, plain and simple. I'm not faulting him. I'm only calling it like it is.

Read this article from the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/19/AR2005071901164_pf.html).

Women Closest to Bush Are Pro-Choice

By Ann Gerhart
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 19, 2005; 5:45 PM

During the 2000 presidential campaign, Barbara Bush said the Republican Party should drop an anti-abortion plank from its national platform.

"Listen to your mama," declared a radio ad aired at the time by an abortion-rights group. "That's a family value we can all agree on."Now, as President Bush readies to announce his choice for a Supreme Court justice, that ad remains one of the only direct references to a rarely-mentioned fact: The women closest to the president support abortion rights. His mother, his wife and one of his most trusted advisors, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, all have stated that they believe Roe v. Wade should not be overturned.

Bush hears daily from social conservatives who urge him to appoint a justice who firmly opposes abortion. If the women in his inner circle speak their minds on this subject in private, he may hear something different....

...Bush prefers to address the issue of abortion in thematic language, speaking of "a culture of life" or "changing hearts." In an interview with Danish television a few days after O'Connor's resignation, he said abortion remained "a genuine philosophical debate, a debate amongst good people -- good, decent, honorable, patriotic Americans who have a difference of opinion."

He said he had "always believed" that abortion "ought to be illegal with the exception of rape, incest, or life of the mother." Then he added, "But look, I'm a realist as well."

READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/19/AR2005071901164_pf.html)

[SDG]

He beat Gore? We think.

[TK Burk]

He beat Gore? We think.

Naw, the US Supreme Court did that. :whistle

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Naw, the US Supreme Court did that. :whistle


The SCOTUS stopped the THIRD recount of votes(set for only the most heavily Dim counties in FL) after the first TWO had shown Bush as the winner. That is the biggest piece of malarkey the Dims have tried to hold onto ever since 2000, and no one but nut jobs are buying it.

If Osama..oops Obama wins, and as a result any abortion law is expanded, and one single child is murdered that wouldn't have been otherwise, all those who vote for Barack Hussein Osama Bin Laden Obama al-Chicago will have that little baby's blood on their hands. I don't care if Obama was promising me a golden egg laying goose and could back it up with an ironclad guarantee, and McCain promised to take my house and give it to Bill Gates, I can not and will not ever vote for a pro-death candidate. Obama personally killed a bill in Illinois that would give "personhood" protection to babies who survived botched abortions, saying it might "undermine" the supreme god of the Dimocratic party, the almighty Roe v Wade. He has proven by his actions and his associations that he is a sick and pathetic excuse for a member of the human race, let alone unfit for office.

[HappyTown]

Hahahaha, HappyTown, your posts used to annoy me, but now they amuse me! Keep posting! It's like frosting on the cake, hehe.:ursofunny

Even better when you eat your way into the middle....;)

Like a fat boy and his cake...Got have it....:ursofunny

[TK Burk]

The SCOTUS stopped the THIRD recount of votes(set for only the most heavily Dim counties in FL) after the first TWO had shown Bush as the winner. That is the biggest piece of malarkey the Dims have tried to hold onto ever since 2000, and no one but nut jobs are buying it.

If Osama..oops Obama wins, and as a result any abortion law is expanded, and one single child is murdered that wouldn't have been otherwise, all those who vote for Barack Hussein Osama Bin Laden Obama al-Chicago will have that little baby's blood on their hands. I don't care if Obama was promising me a golden egg laying goose and could back it up with an ironclad guarantee, and McCain promised to take my house and give it to Bill Gates, I can not and will not ever vote for a pro-death candidate. Obama personally killed a bill in Illinois that would give "personhood" protection to babies who survived botched abortions, saying it might "undermine" the supreme god of the Dimocratic party, the almighty Roe v Wade. He has proven by his actions and his associations that he is a sick and pathetic excuse for a member of the human race, let alone unfit for office.

So is that your professional or Christian opinion of me? :friend

[Praxeas]

He done nothing!


http://www.kgan.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/3856c3fc-www.kgan.com.shtml

Have any ideal what this means to all of us???? Unbelievable. Now we, the taxpayers, get to protect the foreign fat cats and corporate moguls, by being stuck yet again with their bill too. We are doomed!
That's right....the RICH get RICHER off the backs of you the tax payers.

Listen to this guy both parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYhTGw-A5XY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5nEvLTdNw&feature=related

[Praxeas]

BTW it's not just Bush and it's not just Republicans. It's both. Our "representative government" is paid off by all the major companies being bailed out by you the tax payers against your wills....not only did they contribute to these corrupt politicians but they own hundreds of thousands of dollars in the sinking companies

[TK Burk]

The SCOTUS stopped the THIRD recount of votes(set for only the most heavily Dim counties in FL) after the first TWO had shown Bush as the winner. That is the biggest piece of malarkey the Dims have tried to hold onto ever since 2000, and no one but nut jobs are buying it.

If Osama..oops Obama wins, and as a result any abortion law is expanded, and one single child is murdered that wouldn't have been otherwise, all those who vote for Barack Hussein Osama Bin Laden Obama al-Chicago will have that little baby's blood on their hands. I don't care if Obama was promising me a golden egg laying goose and could back it up with an ironclad guarantee, and McCain promised to take my house and give it to Bill Gates, I can not and will not ever vote for a pro-death candidate. Obama personally killed a bill in Illinois that would give "personhood" protection to babies who survived botched abortions, saying it might "undermine" the supreme god of the Dimocratic party, the almighty Roe v Wade. He has proven by his actions and his associations that he is a sick and pathetic excuse for a member of the human race, let alone unfit for office.

And what about blood spilled for fighting McCain's and Palin's holy war, which is supposed to usher in the "second coming" of Jesus Christ? Are you for voting to send men and women into battle for THAT? Is Jesus for killing innocent people so their land can be taken in the name of "Dominion Theology"?

Come on, get a grip. You're arguing politics. Politicians will always do what politicians do, regardless of their Political Party. They will NEVER change the world. The Republicans had both the Congress and the Presidency for several years. Did they overthrow Roe-v-Wade? No, they did not. Why? Because, like I said--they are POLITICIANS!

The only force capable of bringing true change is the Church!

[HappyTown]

That's right....the RICH get RICHER off the backs of you the tax payers.

Listen to this guy both parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYhTGw-A5XY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5nEvLTdNw&feature=related

Thanks! You can’t pay off debt or wipe out debt by creating more debt. It’s very simple really.

My daughter who working at JC Penny part time while attending college called last night. She not been paid in two weeks, they informed the employee's money was tight, but assure them they be paid and some position will be cut. This is happen more and more!

[HappyTown]

And what about blood spilled for fighting McCain's and Palin's holy war, which is supposed to usher in the "second coming" of Jesus Christ? Are you for voting to send men and women into battle for THAT? Is Jesus for killing innocent people so their land can be taken in the name of "Dominion Theology"?

Come on, get a grip. You're arguing politics. Politicians will always do what politicians do, regardless of their Political Party. They will NEVER change the world. The Republicans had both the Congress and the Presidency for several years. Did they overthrow Roe-v-Wade? No, they did not. Why? Because, like I said--they are POLITICIANS!

The only force capable of bringing true change is the Church!

So very true!

[TRFrance]

I disagreed with Bush on a bunch of things, but some of the positions I agreed with him on include:

The Patriot Act (and his terrorism and security stand in general)
No Child Left Behind (although that law needs some major tweaking)
Taxes
Kyoto
Abortion

[Ev. Duane Williams]

And what about blood spilled for fighting McCain's and Palin's holy war, which is supposed to usher in the "second coming" of Jesus Christ? Are you for voting to send men and women into battle for THAT? Where did I ever say that? The men and women of our armed forces are serving voluntarily, not being pulled from the womb and having a drill rammed through the back of their head and their brains vacuumed out with no choice whatsoever. Is Jesus for killing innocent people so their land can be taken in the name of "Dominion Theology"?:crazy

Come on, get a grip. You're arguing politics. Politicians will always do what politicians do, regardless of their Political Party. They will NEVER change the world. The Republicans had both the Congress and the Presidency for several years. Did they overthrow Roe-v-Wade? With one more Justice like Roberts and Alito we will! And partial birth abortion is now a federal crime, no thanks to child murderers like B. Hussein O. No, they did not. Why? Because, like I said--they are POLITICIANS!

The only force capable of bringing true change is the Church!

So we should just toss in our hat with the baby killers? Not me.

[TRFrance]

And what about blood spilled for fighting McCain's and Palin's holy war, which is supposed to usher in the "second coming" of Jesus Christ? Are you for voting to send men and women into battle for THAT? Is Jesus for killing innocent people so their land can be taken in the name of "Dominion Theology"?

Come on, get a grip. You're arguing politics. Politicians will always do what politicians do, regardless of their Political Party. They will NEVER change the world. The Republicans had both the Congress and the Presidency for several years. Did they overthrow Roe-v-Wade? No, they did not. Why? Because, like I said--they are POLITICIANS!

The only force capable of bringing true change is the Church!
What war have McCain and Palin ever referred to as a Holy War?
And what war have they said is supposed to usher in the second coming of Christ.

Give us facts, sir, not supposition and/or internet rumor.

[SDG]

Irvin Baxter has asserted the end of the Bush presidency will usher the second coming of Christ ... no matter who the candidate is ....

Vote for Obama ... it won't matter.

Although Baxter has fought RealID in attempt to slow down His second coming?

[MikeinAR]

The SCOTUS stopped the THIRD recount of votes(set for only the most heavily Dim counties in FL) after the first TWO had shown Bush as the winner. That is the biggest piece of malarkey the Dims have tried to hold onto ever since 2000, and no one but nut jobs are buying it.

If Osama..oops Obama wins, and as a result any abortion law is expanded, and one single child is murdered that wouldn't have been otherwise, all those who vote for Barack Hussein Osama Bin Laden Obama al-Chicago will have that little baby's blood on their hands. I don't care if Obama was promising me a golden egg laying goose and could back it up with an ironclad guarantee, and McCain promised to take my house and give it to Bill Gates, I can not and will not ever vote for a pro-death candidate. Obama personally killed a bill in Illinois that would give "personhood" protection to babies who survived botched abortions, saying it might "undermine" the supreme god of the Dimocratic party, the almighty Roe v Wade. He has proven by his actions and his associations that he is a sick and pathetic excuse for a member of the human race, let alone unfit for office.

If that truly is the case, will those who voted for Republican presidents since 1980 have blood on their hands since 7 of the 9 justices were appointed by Republican presidents and legal abortions have continued?

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Irvin Baxter has asserted the end of the Bush presidency will usher the second coming of Christ ... no matter who the candidate is ....

Vote for Obama ... it won't matter.

Although Baxter has fought RealID in attempt to slow down His second coming?

We shouldn't get into speculation about when the Lord will come back. As soon as someone sets a date, I can guarantee what day He WON'T be coming back, because no one knows the day or the hour. We have to do what we feel is right as a Christian and as a patriot. I believe Barack Obama will make this country a worse place than it is now. I believe more innocent babies will die as a result. Do I think McCain will make everything better? No,(that kind of hero worship is reserved for the Obamites) but he certainly is the better candidate IMO.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

If that truly is the case, will those who voted for Republican presidents since 1980 have blood on their hands since 7 of the 9 justices were appointed by Republican presidents and legal abortions have continued?

Abortion has not been promoted nor expanded by Republicans. Of the 7 Republican appointees you mention, 4 are stauchly against Roe v Wade, 1 is a waffler who goes back and forth depending on his buddies on the court at the time, and the other two were deceivers who no one had any idea they were so liberal until they started making decisions on the Court. McCain promises to appoint those in the mold of the first 4. The two Clinton appointees are both stauchly anti-life, including one who believes that prostitution should be legalized and the age of sexual consent should be lowered to 12. Obama promises appointees of similar persuasions.

[MikeinAR]

Abortion has not been promoted nor expanded by Republicans. Of the 7 Republican appointees you mention, 4 are stauchly against Roe v Wade, 1 is a waffler who goes back and forth depending on his buddies on the court at the time, and the other two were deceivers who no one had any idea they were so liberal until they started making decisions on the Court. McCain promises to appoint those in the mold of the first 4. The two Clinton appointees are both stauchly anti-life, including one who believes that prostitution should be legalized and the age of sexual consent should be lowered to 12. Obama promises appointees of similar persuasions.

Thanks for clearing that up. Since you were assigning blood to hands eternally, I wanted to make sure that the Republicans didn't hold any blame over the continuance of legal abortion given their strong majority of appointees on the highest court in the land.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

If one were to vote to end abortion in this country, according to at least the rhetoric of members of the major parties, he/she would have to vote Republican. Have the Republicans always kept their promises to the pro-life voters? No, but that blood is on their hands, not on the hands of those who believed their promises and voted for them. OTOH, how is voting for someone who promises to PROTECT abortion as if it is part of the first amendment going to shake out on judgement day? I think I'll play it safe with McCain/Palin '08.

[Falla39]

In the beginning of the Roe vs Wade decision, abortion was supposed to be
allowed only within the first tri-mester. But it got worse and then partial birth
abortion was allowed where the baby could go to full term and then let the
baby be born, with the exception of it's little head. Then they would place a
pair of scissors into it's little head and spill it's brains out, destroying it's life.
That is what partial-birth abortion is, as I understand it.

Makes me wonder how many read the links I posted with my original post,
beginning this thread. That's why I started the thread to show that Pres.
Bush did get the partial-birth abortion banned. To me that is a big thing he
did right! If partial-birth abortion can be banned or overturned, why not
Roe vs Wade.

I am just simple enough to believe that IF enough people who call themselves
Christians would take the STAND they should against these horrible acts,GOD
would honor it! That IS MY belief.

When we're more concerned about the economy than we are some other
crucial issues, it is cause for concern. God has promised to supply all our
needs according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. David said he had
never seen the righteous forsaken nor his seed begging for bread. God
can take care of the economy IF we please HIM! HE's BIG ENOUGH!!!

In Numbers 25, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his
brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses and in the sight of all
the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the
door of the congregation of the tabernacle.
And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it,
he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both, the
woman (through her belly) and the man, and the plague was stayed (stopped)
from the children of Israel. Twenty four thousand died in the plague.

The LORD told Moses that Phinehas had turned His wrath away from the
children of Israel because he was zealous for his God. This would not be the
way to handle things today for a Christian. But when we take a stand for
Christ by doing things right, He will take care of the wrong in His own way
and time. But HE expects those who carry His Name to STAND UP for what
is right!! If men don't or won't do it, then the women have to do it. Someone
has got to do it!!!

10.Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.
11. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
12. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
13.Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.
14. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
15. and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.
16.In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of
(the evil one;
17. and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
18. praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication.
"When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn." Prov. 29:2

Abraham Lincoln (1809–65)
QUOTATION: I know that the LORD is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the LORD’S side.

Looks like to me we need more righteous people speaking up! Standing up!
Doing what is right!

Righteousness exalts (lifts up) a nation, but sin is a reproach (shame) for any people.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, also of knowledge and
understanding.
The fear of man bringeth a snare (trap).

PLEASE, NOT ONE WORD OF MY POSTS ARE TO OFFEND BUT TO STIR UP OUR PURE
MINDS AND TO PROVOKE SERIOUS THINKING!

HUGS,

Falla39

[Ev. Duane Williams]

When we're more concerned about the economy than we are some other
crucial issues, it is cause for concern. God has promised to supply all our
needs according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. David said he had
never seen the righteous forsaken nor his seed begging for bread. God
can take care of the economy IF we please HIM! HE's BIG ENOUGH!!!


Amen, Preach it, Preach it, Preach it!

[Ev. Duane Williams]

What will a middle class man profit, if the Democrats give him the whole world, yet he loses his own soul?

[Cindy]

In the beginning of the Roe vs Wade decision, abortion was supposed to be
allowed only within the first tri-mester. But it got worse and then partial birth
abortion was allowed where the baby could go to full term and then let the
baby be born, with the exception of it's little head. Then they would place a
pair of scissors into it's little head and spill it's brains out, destroying it's life.
That is what partial-birth abortion is, as I understand it.

Makes me wonder how many read the links I posted with my original post,
beginning this thread. That's why I started the thread to show that Pres.
Bush did get the partial-birth abortion banned. To me that is a big thing he
did right! If partial-birth abortion can be banned or overturned, why not
Roe vs Wade.

I am just simple enough to believe that IF enough people who call themselves
Christians would take the STAND they should against these horrible acts,GOD
would honor it! That IS MY belief.

When we're more concerned about the economy than we are some other
crucial issues, it is cause for concern. God has promised to supply all our
needs according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. David said he had
never seen the righteous forsaken nor his seed begging for bread. God
can take care of the economy IF we please HIM! HE's BIG ENOUGH!!!

In Numbers 25, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his
brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses and in the sight of all
the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the
door of the congregation of the tabernacle.
And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it,
he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;
And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both, the
woman (through her belly) and the man, and the plague was stayed (stopped)
from the children of Israel. Twenty four thousand died in the plague.

The LORD told Moses that Phinehas had turned His wrath away from the
children of Israel because he was zealous for his God. This would not be the
way to handle things today for a Christian. But when we take a stand for
Christ by doing things right, He will take care of the wrong in His own way
and time. But HE expects those who carry His Name to STAND UP for what
is right!! If men don't or won't do it, then the women have to do it. Someone
has got to do it!!!

10.Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.
11. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
12. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
13.Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.
14. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
15. and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.
16.In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of
(the evil one;
17. and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
18. praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication.
"When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn." Prov. 29:2

Abraham Lincoln (1809–65)
QUOTATION: I know that the LORD is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the LORD’S side.

Looks like to me we need more righteous people speaking up! Standing up!
Doing what is right!

Righteousness exalts (lifts up) a nation, but sin is a reproach (shame) for any people.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, also of knowledge and
understanding.
The fear of man bringeth a snare (trap).

PLEASE, NOT ONE WORD OF MY POSTS ARE TO OFFEND BUT TO STIR UP OUR PURE
MINDS AND TO PROVOKE SERIOUS THINKING!

HUGS,

Falla39

Thank you Sister Falla, very insightful post as always. But I am sure some of the political posters here will just overlook it and it will be politics as usual. (Pun intended).:)

[HappyTown]

PLEASE, NOT ONE WORD OF MY POSTS ARE TO OFFEND BUT TO STIR UP OUR PURE
MINDS AND TO PROVOKE SERIOUS THINKING!

HUGS,

Falla39

Yeah right, it's always the quite ones....;)









j/k :friend

[Praxeas]

Thanks! You can’t pay off debt or wipe out debt by creating more debt. It’s very simple really.

My daughter who working at JC Penny part time while attending college called last night. She not been paid in two weeks, they informed the employee's money was tight, but assure them they be paid and some position will be cut. This is happen more and more!
All the while the talking heads try to assure us everything will be fine while they get richer

[HappyTown]

All the while the talking heads try to assure us everything will be fine while they get richer

Amen!

I think my own position on this issue is crystal clear, this is financial ruin and disaster for the entire country. Rather then let these bad debts die a well deserved death and protect the remaining asset value in place (throughout the entire country), the inflationary cycle this ridiculous bailout plan will create will literally explode inflation by flooding the entire economy with even more bogus money.

[Michael Phelps]

Amen!

I think my own position on this issue is crystal clear, this is financial ruin and disaster for the entire country. Rather then let these bad debts die a well deserved death and protect the remaining asset value in place (throughout the entire country), the inflationary cycle this ridiculous bailout plan will create will literally explode inflation by flooding the entire economy with even more bogus money.

This must be the husband! :ursofunny

[Praxeas]

Amen!

I think my own position on this issue is crystal clear, this is financial ruin and disaster for the entire country. Rather then let these bad debts die a well deserved death and protect the remaining asset value in place (throughout the entire country), the inflationary cycle this ridiculous bailout plan will create will literally explode inflation by flooding the entire economy with even more bogus money.
And our dollar is already incredibly devalued.

To be honest, these guys are not idiots. I have to believe some have done this intentionally and others were blind by greed

[HappyTown]

This must be the husband! :ursofunny

Yep, hubby type it ...:)

[HappyTown]

And our dollar is already incredibly devalued.

To be honest, these guys are not idiots. I have to believe some have done this intentionally and others were blind by greed

Yep! They no fools!

[MikeinAR]

And our dollar is already incredibly devalued.

To be honest, these guys are not idiots. I have to believe some have done this intentionally and others were blind by greed

The American dollar has to be in serious trouble when all of this settles out. When the government issues $700+ billion in new government bonds and basically prints the money to pay off wall street's greed, inflation will soar and the dollar will plummet.

I hate to say it, but the dollars only chance is that our bad economy severely effects the world economy and brings down the Euro's value as well.

Add all of that to the debt of accrued over the last eight years, and one does wonder.

[TK Burk]

So we should just toss in our hat with the baby killers? Not me.

What a jump from reality.... :crazy

Where'd I ever suggest anything even close to this?

Do you always jump to these type extremes when you can't prove your points with anything of substance?

[TRFrance]

What a jump from reality??? :crazy

Where'd I ever say anything even close to this?

Do you always jump to these type extremes when you can't prove your points with anything of substance?

Burk... feel free to answer my previous questions, (in post #17 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=594468&postcount=17)) if you like.

[TK Burk]

What war have McCain and Palin ever referred to as a Holy War?
And what war have they said is supposed to usher in the second coming of Christ.

Give us facts, sir, not supposition and/or internet rumor.

No problem. These will get you started….

Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theology (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18320)

Are Todd Bentley & C Peter Wagner Apostolic? (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18017)

[TK Burk]

Burk... feel free to answer my previous questions, (in post #17 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=594468&postcount=17)) if you like.

I was already working on it...

Patience, my brother, patience....

[TK Burk]

Irvin Baxter has asserted the end of the Bush presidency will usher the second coming of Christ ... no matter who the candidate is ....

Vote for Obama ... it won't matter.

Although Baxter has fought RealID in attempt to slow down His second coming?

There seems to be no end to how many times he's changed his mind about what exactly begins "the end." :ursofunny

[MikeinAR]

No problem. These will get you started….

Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theology (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18320)

Are Todd Bentley & C Peter Wagner Apostolic? (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18017)


I'm not supporting McCain and Palin but to be completely fair, she never said that it was a Holy war. She was asking the congregation to pray that it "is a task from God".

Her quote was:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."

She clearly goes back after saying "task that is from God" and states plainly that's what we have to be "praying for". Her praying for that outcome is sufficient proof that she isn't declaring definitely that it as a task from God.

There are plenty of reasons to not support Sarah Palin as VP but this isn't one, IMO.

[TK Burk]

I'm not supporting McCain and Palin but to be completely fair, she never said that it was a Holy war. She was asking the congregation to pray that it "is a task from God".

Her quote was:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."

She clearly goes back after saying "task that is from God" and states plainly that's what we have to be "praying for". Her praying for that outcome is proof that she isn't declaring that it as an absolute task from God.

You're forgetting that she was addressing her church in Wasilla, and that their (and her) Senior Pastor teaches that Iraq is God's war, and that they are into C. Peter Wagner's group, and that Wagner's group advocates Dominion Theology, and that many in that group believe that the Church is mandated to fight wars for Israel to expand her borders so that Jesus can return. When all that is taken into account, her prayer was more pointed than your claiming.

[TRFrance]

No problem. These will get you started….

Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theology (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18320)

Are Todd Bentley & C Peter Wagner Apostolic? (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18017)

Sir, lets face it. You have nothing.

You made assertions that simply have no basis.

Palin's comments at her church was not referring to Iraq as a "holy war", so that claim has already been discredited, both on that thread you referenced, and elsewhere. .

McCain has never made any comment even close to that.

And neither of them have ever said that Iraq or any war we are in is supposed to "usher in the coming of Jesus Christ".

You have made claims that are simply not true. Maybe you should simply acknowledge that, and move on.

PS..

Its probably a good idea to be more responsible when attributing remarks to someone, just in case it turns out that they didn't actually say what you say they did.

[TRFrance]

You're forgetting that she was addressing her church in Wasilla, and that their (and her) Senior Pastor teaches that Iraq is God's war, and that they are into C. Peter Wagner's group, and that Wagner's group advocates Dominion Theology, and that many in that group believe that the Church is mandated to fight wars for Israel to expand her borders so that Jesus can return. When all that is taken into account, her prayer was more pointed than your claiming.

TK...once you find the quote where Palin and/or McCain claimed that we're in a war that will usher in the coming of the Lord, we'll be happy to see it.

If you're trying to to the guilt-by-association thing to link her to "Dominion Theology",(via her chuch, via her pastor, via C Peter Wagner, etc) that is still not going to work, and I think you know that by now. It still doesnt address the issue that I raised regarding your previous post.

The bottom line is, You said Sarah Palin said something... which apparently she didn't say.

Sarah Palin has had more lies told against her in this short period of time than any other politician I can remember in my lifetime.

As Apostolics, we should not be contributing to this, nor trafficking in innuendo and inaccurate information. The truth should matter to us, at all times

[MikeinAR]

As Apostolics, we should not be contributing to this, nor trafficking in innuendo and inaccurate information. The truth should matter to us, at all times

I'll Amen that preaching all day long. TR, while your preaching on that would you slip over to the political forum and preach to some of those who are STILL claiming Obama is Muslim. :preach

[TK Burk]

Sir, lets face it. You have nothing.

You made assertions that simply have no basis.

Palin's comments at her church was not referring to Iraq as a "holy war", so that claim has already been discredited, both on that thread you referenced, and elsewhere. .

McCain has never made any comment even close to that.

And neither of them have ever said that Iraq or any war we are in is supposed to "usher in the coming of Jesus Christ".

You have made claims that are simply not true. Maybe you should simply acknowledge that, and move on.

PS..

Its probably a good idea to be more responsible when attributing remarks to someone, just in case it turns out that they didn't actually say what you say they did.

First off, don't be so angry.

Second, if you're going to call me "sir," please do so without spitting.

Now to your post: your claim that what I reported was discredited is simply untrue. Nowhere in either of those threads did this occur. Maybe wishfully thinking on your part made it appear so, but it did not factually happen.

Also, if you knew anything about C. Peter Wagner's group, you would know that what I'm saying is of real concern. And there is more than adequate evidence linking Palin's Wasilla church to Wagner. Consequently, there is little doubt that she is indoctrinated with their beliefs.

Don’t allow cognitive dissonance to cloud what’s transpiring in plain view. She went to a church that believes Iraq is God’s war. This is what Wagner believes. It is God’s war because Iraq is in the way of Israel’s expanded borders. These must be conquered before Jesus can “come again.” That is what Palin’s church teaches. That is what Palin was taught. That is what Palin therefore believes.

[TRFrance]

I'll Amen that preaching all day long. TR, while your preaching on that would you slip over to the political forum and preach to some of those who are STILL claiming Obama is Muslim. :preach

I'm on record already on this forum expressing the same sentiment concerning that issue, multiple times.

And in my mind, the "Obama is a Muslim" thing has long been widely discredited. Obviously there are some on AFF who keep perpetuating that canard , but I'm not going to go railing against that every time I see it.

There will always people who choose to believe it. So be it.

[TK Burk]

TK...once you find the quote where Palin and/or McCain claimed that we're in a war that will usher in the coming of the Lord, we'll be happy to see it.

If you're trying to to the guilt-by-association thing to link her to "Dominion Theology",(via her chuch, via her pastor, via C Peter Wagner, etc) that is still not going to work, and I think you know that by now. It still doesnt address the issue that I raised regarding your previous post.

The bottom line is, You said Sarah Palin said something... which apparently she didn't say.

Sarah Palin has had more lies told against her in this short period of time than any other politician I can remember in my lifetime.

As Apostolics, we should not be contributing to this, nor trafficking in innuendo and inaccurate information. The truth should matter to us, at all times

I find it fascinating that some of the same ones claiming Obama's supposed association with Muslims disqualifies him, also claim Palin’s associations have no effect on her. :crazy Such inconsistency sure smacks at a double-standard to me….

[TRFrance]

First off, don't be so angry.

Second, if you're going to call me "sir," please do so without spitting.

Now to your post: your claim that what I reported was discredited is simply untrue. Nowhere in either of those threads did this occur. Maybe wishfully thinking on your part made it appear so, but it did not factually happen.

Also, if you knew anything about C. Peter Wagner's group, you would know that what I'm saying is of real concern. And there is more than adequate evidence linking Palin's Wasilla church to Wagner. Consequently, there is little doubt that she is indoctrinated with their beliefs.

Don’t allow cognitive dissonance to cloud what’s transpiring in plain view. She went to a church that believes Iraq is God’s war. This is what Wagner believes. It is God’s war because Iraq is in the way of Israel’s expanded borders. These must be conquered before Jesus can “come again.” That is what Palin’s church teaches. That is what Palin was taught. That is what Palin therefore believes.

"There is little doubt..." , you say?
No sir, au contraire...

There, however, little doubt that your ideological blinders are causing you to see what you're already predisposed to seeing. But I think if I spent my time arguing this point by point I'd probably be wasting my time. So I'll just let it go at that.

With that, I'll bid you good night...sir ;) (see, I'm smiling this time, not "spitting"!)

[Praxeas]

No problem. These will get you started….

Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theology (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18320)

Are Todd Bentley & C Peter Wagner Apostolic? (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=18017)
Rather than having us go through an entire thread to figure out which facts you referred to and then research to see if they are even true, can you just post them here?

I already discovered the so called war that is "God's will" by Palin was a misquote out of context

[OP_Carl]

Why Don't We Hear This Part of the Bush "doctrine"?? Could it be
this is partly why he became so un-popular with some folks. Just
a thought!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266789,00.html

What IS partial-birth abortion?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=What+is+partial-

Falla39

President Bush has been right about Kyoto, and he has been right about ways and means to deal with terrorists.

His supreme court appointments will be at the pinnacle of his legacy.

[TRFrance]

Rather than having us go through an entire thread to figure out which facts you referred to and then research to see if they are even true, can you just post them here?

I already discovered the so called war that is "God's will" by Palin was a misquote out of context

Thank you.
His post is simply a copout.

Not that hard to see.
I find it fascinating that some of the same ones claiming Obama's supposed association with Muslims disqualifies him, also claim Palin’s associations have no effect on her. :crazy Such inconsistency sure smacks at a double-standard to me….
Burk, you posted that in reply to a post that I made, so I'm assuming you're lumping me in with this bunch.

Sir,please get your facts straight.
I have never said that his supposed associatation with Muslims disqualifies him. Never.

I challenge you to prove otherwise, becauase I know I have never said any such thing.

Clearly , you're not someone I'd ever accuse of being obsessed with truth and accuracy. :club

[TK Burk]

Thank you.
His post is simply a copout.

Not that hard to see.

Burk, you posted that in reply to a post that I made, so I'm assuming you're lumping me in with this bunch.

Sir,please get your facts straight.
I have never said that his supposed associatation with Muslims disqualifies him. Never.

I challenge you to prove otherwise, becauase I know I have never said any such thing.

Clearly , you're not someone I'd ever accuse of being obsessed with truth and accuracy. :club

TRF, are you spitting again? :winkgrin

Why are you so angry? I don't care if you agree or disagree with me. Nothing I've said here should be taken personal. I was talking about in general. Besides, we are talking about issues, remember? What you believe about politics is your business. The Bible says it is God who puts leaders in and who takes them out. Consequently, I'm not worried about who gets elected. So don't lose your victory over such things, okay?

[Esther]

Naw, the US Supreme Court did that. :whistle

Nope the people did.

Why oh why do folks believe the liberal media!:snapout

[DividedThigh]

he fought the war on terror, good, cut taxes good, appointed decent supreme court justices, good, yeah he did those things right, i think his biggest mistake was thinking he could work with the dems, dumb move, dt

[TK Burk]

Nope the people did.

Why oh why do folks believe the liberal media!:snapout

Sister, you really need to get a better grip on of your history. Both sides (Dem & Rep) recognized the role the US Supreme Court played in that decision.









PS I am not a "liberal media" fan. But I do believe that a Christian is called to tell it like it is, without bias.

[TRFrance]

TRF, are you spitting again? :winkgrin

Why are you so angry? I don't care if you agree or disagree with me. Nothing I've said here should be taken personal. I was talking about in general. Besides, we are talking about issues, remember? What you believe about politics is your business. The Bible says it is God who puts leaders in and who takes them out. Consequently, I'm not worried about who gets elected. So don't lose your victory over such things, okay?
Burk, I'm not spitting and I'm not angry at all.

These claims of me supposedly "spitting" are starting to come across as just a cynical attempt by you to take the moral and/or intellectual high ground in this discussion. If that is the case, it will not work.

Time and again you have made statements here that are simply not accurate or true, and when you did, I called you on it. Plain and simple. Nothing personal, but truth and accuracy should matter, especially to Christians. If we get so caught up in pushing our position that we choose to repeatedy make inaccurate statements to push our point of view, that's clearly not a good thing.

Think about it...You made a statement (see post #48 (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=594558&postcount=48)) that implied that I had made an issue of Obama's "associations with Muslims".. which I something I never did. Why should I not object to that?

If you make statement and assertions that are inaccurate, then dont be surprised if someone calls you on it...that doesnt mean they're "angry", so stop with that silliness please. If you cant provide a quote or documentation to back up the assertion you're being challenged on, you're probably just better off just admitting that, rather than evading the issue, or sounding like you're just trying to justify yourself.

Good day to you, Burk

[Esther]

Sister, you really need to get a better grip on of your history. Both sides (Dem & Rep) recognized the role the US Supreme Court played in that decision.









PS I am not a "liberal media" fan. But I do believe that a Christian is called to tell it like it is, without bias.

Sorry to disagree with you. But the RECOUNT proved Bush won. Had he not the Media would never have shut up about it.

[TRFrance]

Sorry to disagree with you. But the RECOUNT proved Bush won. Had he not the Media would never have shut up about it.

The Democrats need to just build a bridge... and get over it.
Note to Democrats... quit yer whinin' !!
------------

Recounts in Miami-Dade Find Bush a Fair Winner

By Bob Drogin (http://articles.latimes.com/writers/bob-drogin)
February 27, 2001 (http://articles.latimes.com/2001/feb/27/news) in print edition A-10
Ever since the Miami-Dade County canvassing board abruptly stopped its manual recount of disputed presidential ballots on Nov. 22, supporters of Al Gore (http://topics.latimes.com/politics/people/al-gore) have complained that the Democratic nominee was unfairly deprived of legitimate votes.

Independent reviews of those ballots by two Florida newspapers, however, indicate that the former vice president would not have gained enough extra votes to overtake George W. Bush in the tumultuous postelection race for the White House.

The Miami Herald reported Monday that, based on its own examination of 10,644 ballots that did not register votes in tabulating machines, Gore would have netted only an additional 49 votes from the state’s most populous county.

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/feb/27/news/mn-30743


see also...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html

[DividedThigh]

wahhh, wahh, sounds familiar, lol

[Jermyn Davidson]

The SCOTUS stopped the THIRD recount of votes(set for only the most heavily Dim counties in FL) after the first TWO had shown Bush as the winner. That is the biggest piece of malarkey the Dims have tried to hold onto ever since 2000, and no one but nut jobs are buying it.

If Osama..oops Obama wins, and as a result any abortion law is expanded, and one single child is murdered that wouldn't have been otherwise, all those who vote for Barack Hussein Osama Bin Laden Obama al-Chicago will have that little baby's blood on their hands. I don't care if Obama was promising me a golden egg laying goose and could back it up with an ironclad guarantee, and McCain promised to take my house and give it to Bill Gates, I can not and will not ever vote for a pro-death candidate. Obama personally killed a bill in Illinois that would give "personhood" protection to babies who survived botched abortions, saying it might "undermine" the supreme god of the Dimocratic party, the almighty Roe v Wade. He has proven by his actions and his associations that he is a sick and pathetic excuse for a member of the human race, let alone unfit for office.


You're an *edited*.

You're entitled to your idiotic thoughts.

[DividedThigh]

i guess so, wow, dt

[Jermyn Davidson]

President Bush has been very generous with helping other countries battle HIV and AIDS.

Also, the WHOLE WORLD has benefitted from our President's commitment to AIDS research.

President Bush made a great decision in ridding the government of Afghanistan from the control of the Taliban. I have been saying for a few years now that we need to see our investments in that country to the end.

I think his renewed focus on that region is extremely important.

The "No Child Left Behind Act" has revolutioneized America's education system, bringing progress to specific demographics that have languished for years and more importantly, it hold teachers more accountable for their efforts and rewards them for their success.

I think it is a good thing to have our Governement supporting "Faith based Initiatives", helping local communities in a way that "Big Government" just can't.

Under President Bush's leadership, Libya has now become an ally-- I don't think ANYONE ever saw that coming so soon.


These are the stuff I can think of off the top of my head.

If I OBJECTIVELY put more thought into this question, I can come up with more good to say about him.


I still think he's the worst President I've ever served under.

[Ferd]

President Bush has been very generous with helping other countries battle HIV and AIDS.

Also, the WHOLE WORLD has benefitted from our President's commitment to AIDS research.

President Bush made a great decision in ridding the government of Afghanistan from the control of the Taliban. I have been saying for a few years now that we need to see our investments in that country to the end.

I think his renewed focus on that region is extremely important.

The "No Child Left Behind Act" has revolutioneized America's education system, bringing progress to specific demographics that have languished for years and more importantly, it hold teachers more accountable for their efforts and rewards them for their success.

I think it is a good thing to have our Governement supporting "Faith based Initiatives", helping local communities in a way that "Big Government" just can't.

Under President Bush's leadership, Libya has now become an ally-- I don't think ANYONE ever saw that coming so soon.


These are the stuff I can think of off the top of my head.

If I OBJECTIVELY put more thought into this question, I can come up with more good to say about him.


I still think he's the worst President I've ever served under.


busy at work today... but lets add, there hasnt been another successful attack on America since 9/11...

how many presidents have you served under? cant be more than 3? likely just 2?

LOL! you aint that old man!

[Jermyn Davidson]

busy at work today... but lets add, there hasnt been another successful attack on America since 9/11...

how many presidents have you served under? cant be more than 3? likely just 2?

LOL! you aint that old man!

LOL!!!!

I stand by my assertion!

[Jack Shephard]

Bush has done the best he or anyone else could have done. Am I happy with everything he has done, NO. Am I happy with him over all, YES. IMO he has done way better than Gore would have...bye far!

[TRFrance]

I still think he's the worst President I've ever served under.

That tells me right there that you didnt serve under Jimmy Carter! :whistle

[SOUNWORTHY]

LOL!!!!

I stand by my assertion!

Or did you serve at all. The only pictures I've seen of you I've seen no uniform. You can't be a very proud soldier or killer as you refer to yourself. If you vote for Oshama you can add murderer to your title. Think about fifty one dead babies. Your hands are just as bloody as the Dr's who yielded the knife.

[Praxeas]

President Bush has been very generous with helping other countries battle HIV and AIDS.

Also, the WHOLE WORLD has benefitted from our President's commitment to AIDS research.

President Bush made a great decision in ridding the government of Afghanistan from the control of the Taliban. I have been saying for a few years now that we need to see our investments in that country to the end.

I think his renewed focus on that region is extremely important.

The "No Child Left Behind Act" has revolutioneized America's education system, bringing progress to specific demographics that have languished for years and more importantly, it hold teachers more accountable for their efforts and rewards them for their success.

I think it is a good thing to have our Governement supporting "Faith based Initiatives", helping local communities in a way that "Big Government" just can't.

Under President Bush's leadership, Libya has now become an ally-- I don't think ANYONE ever saw that coming so soon.


These are the stuff I can think of off the top of my head.

If I OBJECTIVELY put more thought into this question, I can come up with more good to say about him.


I still think he's the worst President I've ever served under.
I think it's the worst government ever...not the system...all the democrats and republicans serving in congress and the senate along with the president and his entire staff.

Afghanistan was right, Iraq was a blunder. We still don't have Al Queda and just as the talking heads said they are diminished and on the run they are said to be responsible for some major bombings just recently not to mention the attempt on one of our embassies

[Michael Phelps]

You're an idiot.

You're entitled to your idiotic thoughts.

1399, this is a clear violation of forum rules. You can disagree with a poster, but name calling is absolutely unacceptable.

Please edit your post.

[Jekyll]

I love the leader of my country, Mr. President, George Walker Bush. You ROCK!!

[Michael Phelps]

I love the leader of my country, Mr. President, George Walker Bush. You ROCK!!

On this we agree!!!!!!!!!!!

[Falla39]

A touching story:

http://www.eielson.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123111092

[SOUNWORTHY]

On this we agree!!!!!!!!!!!

Me too!!

[SOUNWORTHY]

A touching story:

http://www.eielson.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123111092

He is a great man and a great president. He will be a hard act to follow. God bless our president.

[Falla39]

He is a great man and a great president. He will be a hard act to follow. God bless our president.

Thanks! Amen! May God Bless President and Mrs. Bush and may HE
give wisdom to Americans in electing the next president, in Jesus Name!

Blessings,

Falla39

[Jermyn Davidson]

Or did you serve at all. The only pictures I've seen of you I've seen no uniform. 1)You can't be a very proud soldier or killer as you refer to yourself. 2)If you vote for Oshama you can add murderer to your title. Think about fifty one dead babies. 3)Your hands are just as bloody as the Dr's who yielded the knife.


lol

1) why not?

2) why?

3) you're on crack.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Or did you serve at all. The only pictures I've seen of you I've seen no uniform. You can't be a very proud soldier or killer as you refer to yourself. If you vote for Oshama you can add murderer to your title. Think about fifty one dead babies. Your hands are just as bloody as the Dr's who yielded the knife.

Our GOVERNMENT engages in espionage and other intelligence gathering activities-- putting people and our government in situations where they must be, at the bare minimum not forthright. Many times they lie.

Should the governments of Venezuela, Syria and Italy hold you responsible for the sins of our AMERICAN government?


If you are a UPCI church member, maybe I should pre judge you to be self righteous and pompous, based off of the many experiences where I witnessed such behavior.

Oh yeah, while establishing your guilt, if you are in favor of the death penalty in America, then you are indeed responsible for the unknown amount of innocent people who have been executed in this country on little or flawed evidence.

I will also hold you responsible for the years of life that countless men have lost who sat behind bars for crimes they knew they did not commit-- only to be released with an, "I'm sorry" and a check.

You believe in the American Justice System don't you? You subscribe to it, live your life by it-- it's a good system, it's fair and balanced and it's the best in the world as we know it.

But if I'm guilty, you're guilty. We are all guilty.


Should I hold Rumsfield responsible for the former FEMA Chief's failure in responding to Hurricane Katrina? They both served under the same flawed Administration?

Your argument is flawed.

This Republican is voting for Sen. Obama.

[DividedThigh]

fundamentally i couldnt vote for obama 1399, that is up to you, thanks for fighting to preserve my freedom brother, dt

[Michael Phelps]

lol

1) why not?

2) why?

3) you're on crack.

You are becoming very abrasive with your remarks, 1399. Accusing someone of "being on cracK", even in a TIC manner is over the top.

[HappyTown]

Your taxed dollars pay for Government funded abortions daily!

Our Government, like all Governments is evil! They are not your friend! Nor do they care about what you or I think, they are whores for the big Corporations, who really run this place, call the shots! It's all about greed and control.

NOW THEY WANTS US TO BAIL OUT FOREIGN BANKS? Bush has been nothing but a mindless Drum , he knew, yet he didn't do a thing to stop this run away train! Like the war, he passed the buck, the next president will be left cleaning up his mess.


The best thing about Bush, he'll be leaving office!

[Michael Phelps]

Your taxed dollars pay for Government funded abortions daily!

Our Government, like all Governments is evil! They are not your friend! Nor do they care about what you or I think, they are whores for the big Corporations, who really run this place, call the shots! It's all about greed and control.

NOW THEY WANTS US TO BAIL OUT FOREIGN BANKS? Bush has been nothing but a mindless Drum , he knew, yet he didn't do a thing to stop this run away train! Like the war, he passed the buck, the next president will be left cleaning up his mess.


The best thing about Bush, he'll be leaving office!

Thanks, HT, I needed this! It's been a rough day, but I can always count on you for the comic relief!

Thanks! :ursofunny

[HappyTown]

You are becoming very abrasive with your remarks, 1399. Accusing someone of "being on cracK", even in a TIC manner is over the top.

I can understand his remark about crack. It seem many are really drug out, their not seeing the real picture, nor in touch with the issues facing us here at home! There in la la land! We are in a world of doom, people need to get beyond the abortion issues and realized there a lot more at state here. WAKE UP WE'RE LOSING OUR FREEDOMS! Stop settling, Americans need to band together, get an honest person into office, stop settling for the lesser of two evils!

Until then, it be business as usually in Washington!

[HappyTown]

Thanks, HT, I needed this! It's been a rough day, but I can always count on you for the comic relief!

Thanks! :ursofunny

Glad your enjoying... Hell is just around the corner!

[Michael Phelps]

Glad your enjoying... Hell is just around the corner!

Yes, it is. So is heaven.

How does that relate to President Bush?

[rgcraig]

Your taxed dollars pay for Government funded abortions daily!

Our Government, like all Governments is evil! They are not your friend! Nor do they care about what you or I think, they are whores for the big Corporations, who really run this place, call the shots! It's all about greed and control.

NOW THEY WANTS US TO BAIL OUT FOREIGN BANKS? Bush has been nothing but a mindless Drum , he knew, yet he didn't do a thing to stop this run away train! Like the war, he passed the buck, the next president will be left cleaning up his mess.


The best thing about Bush, he'll be leaving office!

Pressing On posted this in the political thread - maybe you could take a moment to read it.


How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett

Back in 2005, Fannie and Freddie were, after years of dominating Washington, on the ropes.

What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions.

But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.

There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.

Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aSKSoiNbnQY0

[Michael Phelps]

Pressing On posted this in the political thread - maybe you could take a moment to read it.

Don't confuse HappyClown with the facts, now!:ursofunny

[HappyTown]

Pressing On posted this in the political thread - maybe you could take a moment to read it.

Just show Government is evil! THEY DON"T CARE ABOUT YOU OR I!

[Falla39]

Why do you use "Happy Town" as your avatar! "Hopeless Town" would seem
more fitting as that is how you seem to be.

I can assure you that my HOPE is not in what man can do BUT what MY GOD
can do in and through men. You get enough men/women desiring what would
be pleasing to God and you have a force to be reckoned with! Let God be our
Guide and line up behind Him and there is no greater Army. He is the Head and
His Body in the earth connected to Him, allowing Him to do the leading and there
is HOPE!!!
Sound too simplistic! Not on your life! Looking unto JESUS, the Author and the
Finisher of our faith!

Blessings,

Falla39

[HappyTown]

Don't confuse HappyClown with the facts, now!:ursofunny

I understand, your still asleep!

[Michael Phelps]

Just show Government is evil! THEY DON"T CARE ABOUT YOU OR I!

Why should they? The government is not your provider. Hopefully, you're not one of those who sit around on your duff waiting for the government to come and feed you, clothe you, and give you money!

Come on, HT, how long are you going to keep up this act?

[HappyTown]

Why do you use "Happy Town" as your avatar! "Hopeless Town" would seem
more fitting as that is how you seem to be.

I can assure you that my HOPE is not in what man can do BUT what MY GOD
can do in and through men. You get enough men/women desiring what would
be pleasing to God and you have a force to be reckoned with! Let God be our
Guide and line up behind Him and there is no greater Army. He is the Head and
His Body in the earth connected to Him, allowing Him to do the leading and there
is HOPE!!!
Sound too simplistic! Not on your life! Looking unto JESUS, the Author and the
Finisher of our faith!

Blessings,

Falla39

I'm happy, just not happy about whats becoming of us, as a Nation.

[rgcraig]

Just show Government is evil! THEY DON"T CARE ABOUT YOU OR I!

I don't need them to "care" about me. The government isn't here to be my daddy and take care of me.

[rgcraig]

I understand, your still asleep!

Is the library open in your area on Sundays?

[HappyTown]

Why should they? The government is not your provider. Hopefully, you're not one of those who sit around on your duff waiting for the government to come and feed you, clothe you, and give you money!

Come on, HT, how long are you going to keep up this act?

I don't want Government to take care of me! But that's what they want.

I take care of myself, I own my home on land and cars, boat, four wheelers free and clear! Two kids in college, we pay, no funding! I use solar power, I have a well, I grow my own food, we hunt, we have chickens and rabbits, cows. So yes I take care of myself, we've put money aside for our later years. I set money aside for medical. I don't depend on Gov! Nor should you!

So yes I'm taking care of myself!

[Ferd]

Government evil. Democrats are more evil.

[HappyTown]

Is the library open in your area on Sundays?

Boom warn me about this!

[HappyTown]

Government evil. Democrats are more evil.

Their all evil, no different! Expect for their colors!

[rgcraig]

Boom warn me about this!

Really.

[HappyTown]

Really.

Yep. Trust no one over here.

[rgcraig]

Yep. Trust no one over here.

That was nice of him.

Well, this has nothing to do with Boom. You said you only posted from the library and I noticed you were posting Sunday. I wasn't aware of a library being open on Sundays.

[DividedThigh]

today is tuesday right, lol

[Scott Hutchinson]

I can be trusted.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Or did you serve at all. The only pictures I've seen of you I've seen no uniform. You can't be a very proud soldier or killer as you refer to yourself. If you vote for Oshama you can add murderer to your title. Think about fifty one dead babies. Your hands are just as bloody as the Dr's who yielded the knife.


SOUNWORTHY,

"The only picture you've seen of me--"

You don't need to see any pictures of me! You don't know me, don't live close to me and without AFF, you would have little chance of interacting with me!

But if a big enough natural disaster was to strike in your neck of the woods, I'd be there for you, regardless of your insult and personal views about me.

PLEASE get over yourself. I know who I am and I am who I say I am without reason to lie to you.


I am not a murderer. You need to be careful of who you are accusing of what.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I love all of you ,good people I've got to go.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Or did you serve at all. The only pictures I've seen of you I've seen no uniform. You can't be a very proud soldier or killer as you refer to yourself. If you vote for Oshama you can add murderer to your title. Think about fifty one dead babies. Your hands are just as bloody as the Dr's who yielded the knife.


When you can train and compete for the U.S. Army's "Warfighter Challenge" all while serving in a combat zone then you can come talk to me about pride.


I train to kill, prepared to kill, and in the recent situations, intended to kill. However, I do not have a confirmed kill of another human being yet.

"Killer" is who I know myself to be. You don't even have to call me over for a baloney sandwich and I will be secure in knowing just who I am.

[Ferd]

I think it's the worst government ever...not the system...all the democrats and republicans serving in congress and the senate along with the president and his entire staff.

Afghanistan was right, Iraq was a blunder. We still don't have Al Queda and just as the talking heads said they are diminished and on the run they are said to be responsible for some major bombings just recently not to mention the attempt on one of our embassies

I think I would disagree with this acertion. consider The US government from about 1840 to the civil war. do a little looking into that and I think you will have to revise your statement.

they all knew a day of reconning was coming and did nothing. there was an actually assault on the floor of the congress by a congressman that left another congressman a vegitable.

things have been vastly worse. that doesnt mean things are peachy keen now, but perspective is a good thing!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Or did you serve at all. The only pictures I've seen of you I've seen no uniform. You can't be a very proud soldier or killer as you refer to yourself. If you vote for Oshama you can add murderer to your title. Think about fifty one dead babies. Your hands are just as bloody as the Dr's who yielded the knife.

When I vote for Sen. Obama, I will not add murderer to my title.

Not I, nor the other countless thousands of other Christians who will vote Sen. Obama are murderers.

Your accusation is insulting and flawed.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Or did you serve at all. The only pictures I've seen of you I've seen no uniform. You can't be a very proud soldier or killer as you refer to yourself. If you vote for Oshama you can add murderer to your title. Think about fifty one dead babies. Your hands are just as bloody as the Dr's who yielded the knife.


No. I won't spend time meditating over something I have had no control over.

It's not my fault, I'm not the blame and if I am ever in a situation to where I can personally alter the decision of someone who has decided to to have an abortion, hopefully I'll have enough love and compassion to reach them.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Or did you serve at all. The only pictures I've seen of you I've seen no uniform. You can't be a very proud soldier or killer as you refer to yourself. If you vote for Oshama you can add murderer to your title. Think about fifty one dead babies. Your hands are just as bloody as the Dr's who yielded the knife.


Your logic is just as flawed as your own humanity.

Get over yourself!

[DividedThigh]

wow, hey guys we all get to have our opinion, without being guilty of a crime here, dt

[Falla39]

I can understand his remark about crack. It seem many are really drug out, their not seeing the real picture, nor in touch with the issues facing us here at home! There in la la land! We are in a world of doom, people need to get beyond the abortion issues and realized there a lot more at state here. WAKE UP WE'RE LOSING OUR FREEDOMS! Stop settling, Americans need to band together, get an honest person into office, stop settling for the lesser of two evils!
Until then, it be business as usually in Washington!


Happy Town,

You can't do wrong and reap right! You can't do things that GOD hates
and expect things to turn out good. And are you calling the killing of 51
million babies the lesser of two evils! Yes there's a lot more at stake than
some would believe. The things God hates, HE will destroy, in HIS TIME!
Just give it time!

Moses was born in a time when they killed the baby boys. Jesus was born
and wicked Herod wanted the boy babies two yrs. old and under killed! Why!
Wicked motives. Pharoah was afraid that the Hebrews would outnumber the
Egyptians and overthrow them. Herod was afraid of losing his throne. WHAT
is the motive and excuse now!!! The only thing now, they will kill male or
female. Children are the heritage of the LORD! Killing off God's heritage!

My God will take care of the wicked. He always has and always will. He
saves the righteous and removes the wicked. It is HIS CALL, not ours. We
just need to make sure we are doing His Will and not our own.

Blessings,

Falla39

[DividedThigh]

amen sis falla, dt

[SOUNWORTHY]

Your logic is just as flawed as your own humanity.

Get over yourself!

Feel better now ? :friend

[SOUNWORTHY]

I've decided to post a list of 10 good things about Obama just to show you my heart's in the right place.
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So much for that list!!:dance :)

[Michael Phelps]

Boom warn me about this!

How do you know Boom?

[AmazingGrace]

1399, this is a clear violation of forum rules. You can disagree with a poster, but name calling is absolutely unacceptable.

Please edit your post.

Thank you! I didnt see this earlier!

[Jekyll]

I've decided to post a list of 10 good things about Obama just to show you my heart's in the right place.
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So much for that list!!:dance :)
I doubt that his good works deserve even this much space.

[Jermyn Davidson]

1399, this is a clear violation of forum rules. You can disagree with a poster, but name calling is absolutely unacceptable.

Please edit your post.

Sir, the reason why I haven't edited this post is because I am not able to.

Feel free to simply delete it.

I will be more careful next time to assault the post, and not insult the person.

[Michael Phelps]

Sir, the reason why I haven't edited this post is because I am not able to.

Feel free to simply delete it.

I will be more careful next time to assault the post, and not insult the person.

I think you edited it already..........or someone did.

Accusing someone of having idiotic thoughts is acceptable, accusing them of BEING an idiot is not!

THanks for your cooperation.

[Pressing-On]

I think you edited it already..........or someone did.

Accusing someone of having idiotic thoughts is acceptable, accusing them of BEING an idiot is not!

THanks for your cooperation.

So if I, like, want to call you an idiot, I have to PM you? :tease

[Michael Phelps]

So if I, like, want to call you an idiot, I have to PM you? :tease

You certainly may!

And, I'll PM your infraction right back!:ursofunny

[Pressing-On]

You certainly may!

And, I'll PM your infraction right back!:ursofunny

So I can, like, do that four times before I get banned? Don't I get five chances?

[Michael Phelps]

So I can, like, do that four times before I get banned? Don't I get five chances?

Depends on what kind of mood I'm in.

[Pressing-On]

Depends on what kind of mood I'm in.
Well, I'll try to gauge that and take my chances. lol

[Michael Phelps]

Well, I'll try to gauge that and take my chances. lol

Good luck:ursofunny

[Pressing-On]

Good luck:ursofunny

:D

[rgcraig]

Happy Town,

You can't do wrong and reap right! You can't do things that GOD hates
and expect things to turn out good. And are you calling the killing of 51
million babies the lesser of two evils! Yes there's a lot more at stake than
some would believe. The things God hates, HE will destroy, in HIS TIME!
Just give it time!

Moses was born in a time when they killed the baby boys. Jesus was born
and wicked Herod wanted the boy babies two yrs. old and under killed! Why!
Wicked motives. Pharoah was afraid that the Hebrews would outnumber the
Egyptians and overthrow them. Herod was afraid of losing his throne. WHAT
is the motive and excuse now!!! The only thing now, they will kill male or
female. Children are the heritage of the LORD! Killing off God's heritage!

My God will take care of the wicked. He always has and always will. He
saves the righteous and removes the wicked. It is HIS CALL, not ours. We
just need to make sure we are doing His Will and not our own.

Blessings,

Falla39Thanks for this post Sis. Falla!