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Dedicated Mind
10-31-2008, 01:22 PM
Has anyone heard of the new reality show, "The Real Exorcist". It aired last night on the Sci Fi channel and shows real life exorcisms. There are plenty of you tube videos about Bob Larson, I don't know how to download them. Is this guy for real? Did anyone see the show and would like to comment. I didn't hear about this guy until today, but there are more exorcisms to come on his reality show. here's an article:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081025/NEWS10/810250321
mfblume
10-31-2008, 01:29 PM
I did see that. The guy is legit in my books. He does not have all the truth, of course, but he is really dealing with the real deal from what I saw. It surprised me!
Dedicated Mind
10-31-2008, 01:54 PM
Here's a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oG8sO45nME
mfblume
10-31-2008, 01:59 PM
I am not sure what to think about him making it a reality show.
Truthseeker
10-31-2008, 02:02 PM
Sure we be nice if we seen for deliverence among us.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 02:03 PM
Sure we be nice if we seen for deliverence among us.
What? Not following your sentence, bro. :)
Truthseeker
10-31-2008, 02:25 PM
I meant would be nice to see more deliverence among us. I was typing too fast, I guess.
Baron1710
10-31-2008, 02:41 PM
Has anyone heard of the new reality show, "The Real Exorcist". It aired last night on the Sci Fi channel and shows real life exorcisms. There are plenty of you tube videos about Bob Larson, I don't know how to download them. Is this guy for real? Did anyone see the show and would like to comment. I didn't hear about this guy until today, but there are more exorcisms to come on his reality show. here's an article:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081025/NEWS10/810250321
I am not so sure about Bob Larson he used to do this on the radio in the early 90's. He is a bit of a sensationalist, I still remember him asking for money to support his show...111.56 for one hour or 223.12 to support both hours.
OneAccord
10-31-2008, 03:08 PM
Well... you did ask us to comment.
I watched some of it.... thought it was about as real as "Paranormal State" and such like. Would have been funny, if it weren't so sad.
TRFrance
10-31-2008, 03:13 PM
I am not so sure about Bob Larson he used to do this on the radio in the early 90's. He is a bit of a sensationalist, I still remember him asking for money to support his show...111.56 for one hour or 223.12 to support both hours.
Is it wrong for someone to ask listeners to financially support a radio show?
nahkoe
10-31-2008, 03:26 PM
My opinion? This story is a pretty nifty way to avoid personal responsibility for the couple involved.
I really think the whole thing is likely psychological manipulation.
Here's a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oG8sO45nME
I watched the video and frankly, the whole thing just ticks me off. What that guy, Eric, needs is good old fashioned repentance. Forget all the sensationalism. If you ask me, Bob Larson has just got a good way to make money.
My opinion? This story is a pretty nifty way to avoid personal responsibility for the couple involved.
I really think the whole thing is likely psychological manipulation.
Thank you! That's what I see, but didn't know quite how to describe it...avoidance of personal responsibility!! That is exactly what is happening! Repentance is much less sensational and much more effective!
Bob Larson has been around for a long time, IMO he comes across as a sensationalist with very little humility.
I also have very little respect for him when he calls people "stupid" & tells them to "shut up"
just because they have a differing viewpoint.
I don't give him the time of day.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 03:43 PM
A guy doesn't have to be on the money to actually cast out devils, you know.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
OneAccord
10-31-2008, 03:49 PM
I think Sis Nahkoe takes the prize on this one. "The devil made me do it" is a sure way of shirking responsibility for ones own actions.
My opinion? Bob Larson is making a play to gain Todd Bentley's disallusioned following. The two are "birds of a feather".
TRFrance
10-31-2008, 04:05 PM
A guy doesn't have to be on the money to actually cast out devils, you know.
We know. That's the sad part.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 05:31 PM
Mark 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
Luke 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
I believe Larson is legit as he is casting out devils in Jesus' Name. His doctrine is wrong, and his salvation is between him and God, but he really is casting out devils. I've cast devils out of two men and witnessed it done to my brother when I was a child, and the people Larson deals with are exhibiting the telltale signs of possession. But like Jesus said, casting out devils in His Name doesn't guarantee salvation. I will pray for God to lead Bob Larson, and no, I don't think Bob is of Todd Bentley's ilk since I am convinced that Bentley is possessed by devils himself. Satan can't cast out Satan.
Margies3
10-31-2008, 05:56 PM
Is this the same Bob Larson who used to be on the radio in the early 80's, late 70's? If so, he used to talk all the time about things like Free Masons being sinful. He also wrote a book about churches and organizations that he considered to be - oh shoot, what's the word? It means way off base, anti-Christian???? Rats! Wish I could think of the word. Anyhow, he listed a whole bunch of churches that he said fit this catagory, including Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and THE UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH.
I had listened to him occasionally up to that point. But once I read that book, I've never listened to him since then.
Praxeas
10-31-2008, 06:38 PM
Bob is a fake and a fraud. I remember him back from the days he had a Radio show and spent 75% of the time talking about how the station was going off the air unless you the hearers came through with some funds...day after day after day it was the same thing
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/l42.html
sky angel aired his weekly tv show... sometimes they showed demonic deliverance...
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 06:57 PM
Maybe the people on his show are really good actors. If he said UPC'ers(I'm not UPC) were heretics, then he really is against us, not for us.
nahkoe
10-31-2008, 06:58 PM
I believe Larson is legit as he is casting out devils in Jesus' Name. His doctrine is wrong, and his salvation is between him and God, but he really is casting out devils. I've cast devils out of two men and witnessed it done to my brother when I was a child, and the people Larson deals with are exhibiting the telltale signs of possession. But like Jesus said, casting out devils in His Name doesn't guarantee salvation.
Ok, I was cautious above...but I'll throw some of that caution to the wind now.
I know demons were cast out in the Bible. But...
Isn't it convenient how many demon possessed people show up at events like the one in the video? Or, do we all have a demon we just don't know about? Hey, I know..maybe that's why all this stuff keeps happening to me! Or, maybe...stuff just happens.
And, how exactly did I do all the things I did, and walk away without being demon possessed? Seriously. If random people walking down the street are possessed, why am I not after years of essentially asking for it? Or again we can go back to the "maybe I really am and I just don't know it.."
Her nose twitched if she got too close to a cross? I could just go so many different directions with that. Let's start with the fact that the cross isn't where the power is. Let's go from there to the fact that Jesus was most likely *not* crucified on a cross that looks like all the pretty necklaces out there. And her nose twitched? Like Bewitched? Please, please give me a break.
I am way not in the mood to go into great detail about my experiences with demons and spiritual warfare tonight, but a nose twitch is not it. Neither is what she described about the inner urges and desires... That's called being human and we all battle with that. Unless she was very seriously downplaying what was happening, and I don't see how anyone who's really experienced it could sit there in front of a camera, presumably being willing to go into detail...isn't that why she was there?...and skip over that difference. And no, I can't find the words to describe it..I'll give her that much benefit of the doubt. But I wouldn't just sit there calmly and say there were inner urges..I'd be doing my very best to hunt for words and expressions to try to describe it, and probably look the part of a fool stumbling over words and being quite fidgity. And I just realized, trying to figure out how I would try to explain it, that part of why it'd be so uncomfortable is because even just thinking about my experiences causes me to relive those sensations and those experiences. They weren't so pleasant in the first place. *And those were external experiences with demons...not possession.*
I don't buy her story, I'm sorry. And it causes me to really doubt the guy. Especially when I weigh that alongside what he had to say. He's too flippant about it. I dare bet if he ever met a demon face to face that he was actually battling with, he'd be quite in shock.
I don't buy her story, I'm sorry. And it causes me to really doubt the guy. Especially when I weigh that alongside what he had to say. He's too flippant about it. I dare bet if he ever met a demon face to face that he was actually battling with, he'd be quite in shock.
I think he's messing up in the relationship big time and it's easier to blame it on devils.
Praxeas
10-31-2008, 07:03 PM
He's a fake. He has the same people sometimes on his "show" having a demon cast out. They are actors at the very least or mentally unstable at best. Crosses and Bibles slammed against their head is not how you cast out demons.
Praxeas
10-31-2008, 07:05 PM
auto suggestion of the weak minded. Same way Benny gets the whole front row to fall over by saying "Fire on you". They expect it to happen and so it does
nahkoe
10-31-2008, 07:06 PM
auto suggestion of the weak minded. Same way Benny gets the whole front row to fall over by saying "Fire on you". They expect it to happen and so it does
Exactly.
nahkoe
10-31-2008, 07:08 PM
I think he's messing up in the relationship big time and it's easier to blame it on devils.
I meant the Bob Larson guy. lol
I think her guy needs to take some responsibility and figure out how he's going to approach his life from here. I know others who have pulled out of where he is...and others who haven't. There's no easy answer with that much going on, but starting out by saying "I'm here, I don't wanna be anymore, what can I do to change things?" could go a long ways towards getting somewhere.......
I meant the Bob Larson guy. lol
I think her guy needs to take some responsibility and figure out how he's going to approach his life from here. I know others who have pulled out of where he is...and others who haven't. There's no easy answer with that much going on, but starting out by saying "I'm here, I don't wanna be anymore, what can I do to change things?" could go a long ways towards getting somewhere.......
Oh. LOL!
But, yeah, that would go much farther than what they are doing in that "service".
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 07:19 PM
Okay, point taken. I can't see the video here at work, I've just seen others very quickly on a documentary about possession. Like I said, maybe they are good actors. The nose twitch thing sounds a bit ignorant. The fact that he calls UPC'ers heretics seals the deal. He's a fake, got it.
The last time we had to cast out devils, the possessed man almost overpowered about fifteen to twenty grown men from the congregation, myself included. It took a while, but deliverance finally came. I haven't seen any of Bob's cases that severe.(or any other TV preacher)
nahkoe
10-31-2008, 07:22 PM
The last time we had to cast out devils, the possessed man almost overpowered about fifteen to twenty grown men from the congregation, myself included. It took a while, but deliverance finally came. I haven't seen any of Bob's cases that severe.(or any other TV preacher)
I'd like to hear more about that...
mfblume
10-31-2008, 07:23 PM
The last time we had to cast out devils, the possessed man almost overpowered about fifteen to twenty grown men from the congregation, myself included. It took a while, but deliverance finally came. I haven't seen any of Bob's cases that severe.(or any other TV preacher)
When people act like that being delivered, they have not repented adequately. There is no fight when the person needing deliverance repents.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 07:24 PM
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A guy doesn't have to be on the money to actually cast out devils, you know.We know. That's the sad part.
If devils are coming out, who cares about the minister? lol That is a good thing! Doesn't condone the minister, though, again.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 07:32 PM
He's a fake. He has the same people sometimes on his "show" having a demon cast out. They are actors at the very least or mentally unstable at best. Crosses and Bibles slammed against their head is not how you cast out demons.
You're right that crosses and bibles on the person does nothing, but I think the events, themselves, were the real thing. I've seen a lot of this sort of thing in reality, and it was happening with Larson just as I saw it.
But Larson is giving into sensationalism. Even the term "exorcist" is showy.
As someone quoted, people cast out devils in Jesus' day who did not follow him. And Jesus rebuked His disciples for criticizing it. If it is the Spirit of God involved, we better watch we do not blaspheme. Blaspheming the Spirit was mentioned in association with Christ being criticized for casting out devils.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 07:32 PM
When people act like that being delivered, they have not repented adequately. There is no fight when the person needing deliverance repents.
Hard to repent when your mind and actions are controlled by devils, Bro.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 07:35 PM
Hard to repent when your mind and actions are controlled by devils, Bro.
Nobody is controlled that much. Even the demoniac ran to Jesus and worshiped him. A person has to stop the theatrics of the devil, and talk to the person about repentance. The devil does not control people as much as some think. A person simply should not bother unless the one needing deliverance has been settled down and spoken to about it. The devil enjoys all that attention, otherwise.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 07:44 PM
Nobody is controlled that much. Even the demoniac ran to Jesus and worshiped him. A person has to stop the theatrics of the devil, and talk to the person about repentance. The devil does not control people as much as some think. A person simply should not bother unless the one needing deliverance has been settled down and spoken to about it. The devil enjoys all that attention, otherwise.
Forgive me, but your response betrays an inexperience with devil possession. The first time I ever had to cast out devils(with my Pastor and other Anointed men and women of God), they came out one at a time, crying with a loud voice. I lost count at about twelve. As each devil was cast out, the young man gained more and more of his own faculties, beginning to cry out to Jesus for forgiveness, and asking Him to cast out the remaining devils. When it was over, he was crying and praising God and received the Holy Ghost shortly afterward. He was baptized in Jesus Name and hasn't looked back.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 07:52 PM
Forgive me, but your response betrays an inexperience with devil possession.
I forgive you, but you are quite wrong. :) I have dealt with and cast out devils in people scores and scores of times. I worked with a ministry that had people coming in from across the country for deliverance. We ministered deliverance for people night after night. I learned that letting the devil have a big show is a waste of time, unless you like theatrics, yourself. It is inexperience that allows the devils to rage like they do.
We're wasting our time with someone who goes ballistic with devils. When a person repents, the devil HAS NO POWER over the person. Screaming goes totally. Fighting is gone. Screaming and taking fits is sure sign that repentance is not present. And if someone is manifesting so wildly, you have the authority in Jesus' name to command the devil to stop, and talk to the person.
I've had that happen with people I have prayed for for deliverance, and I stopped them up and talked to them about repentance. And it was not hard to stop them up. As soon as they repented, the devils came out easily without a fight.
Think of it. A legion is 2,000 to 6,000 soldiers in the roman army. And there were that many devils in the man called Legion, and they could not stop the man from running to Jesus and worshiping Him.
Spirits hold onto the people in whom they dwell due to the sins that have not been repented of. We have more power than the devil, and there is no fight. We command the devil to stop his theatrics, and then speak to the person. Repentance absolutely defeats any hold the devils had. This removes their fight and their resistance.
The first time I ever had to cast out devils(with my Pastor and other Anointed men and women of God), they came out one at a time, crying with a loud voice. I lost count at about twelve. As each devil was cast out, the young man gained more and more of his own faculties, beginning to cry out to Jesus for forgiveness, and asking Him to cast out the remaining devils. When it was over, he was crying and praising God and received the Holy Ghost shortly afterward. He was baptized in Jesus Name and hasn't looked back.
It would have happened much sooner if you calmed the man down and taught him about repentance for things not repented of. I've seen it happen.
None of what you said disproves what I am saying. Repentance kills the power of the devil in anyone. If you want to spend a lot of time fighting with a devil, then forego the repentance. If one is unaware of that, though, you may see deliverance after much wasted time.
Why should we fight with the devil? He is defeated!
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:03 PM
There are cases when heathens are in need of deliverance and have no clue about repentance. If a devil manifests in those cases, you cannot help but have a fight. But in a general church setting there are lots of opportunities to calm the person down and talk to him/her.
Trouvere on the forum has experienced this many times as well. She can corroborate what I am saying.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:05 PM
I prefer to do it the way Jesus and the Apostles did. The Bible says they cried with a loud voice when they came out. Too bad you weren't there, Bro. Blume to show Jesus and the Apostles the right way.
The devils obviously didn't stop these people from making it to the altar, either. That doesn't mean they can control their actions when the devils want to show themselves any better than someone during an epileptic seizure.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:10 PM
BTW, I think the reason why exorcism is much harder for us than it was for Jesus is the same reason the disciples couldn't cast the devil out of the man's son. Unbelief. There is a little yod of doubt in some(probably all) in the congregation which prolongs the process. Jesus had none of that. Big difference.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:10 PM
I prefer to do it the way Jesus and the Apostles did. The Bible says they cried with a loud voice when they came out. Too bad you weren't there, Bro. Blume to show Jesus and the Apostles the right way.
...As if what I said contradicts the Lord and apostles.
I've seen them cry and be gone, without a fight.
What is this? An argument of who knows how to cast out devils more? lol You were not there when I did it. And if you do not think you have authority to calm a man down when devils are reacting violently, then believe what you want.
Jesus and the apostles saw the devils come out right away, bro., except in cases with the apostles before they were Spirit filled.
The only case where a demon possessed man fought against several grown men was when the exorcists who did not know what they were doing tried casting devils out in Acts 19. The seven sons of Sceva were not known by the devils. But the devils sure knew Jesus and Paul.
I already said Jesus even spoke to the man called Legion. Jesus dealt with Legion and the devils could not hold the man back from Jesus, if you want to talk about Jesus.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:12 PM
BTW, I think the reason why exorcism is much harder for us than it was for Jesus is the same reason the disciples couldn't cast the devil out of the man's son. Unbelief. There is a little yod of doubt in some(probably all) in the congregation which prolongs the process. Jesus had none of that. Big difference.
That was before the disciples had the Holy Ghost. You see no battles in the book of Acts except with the seven sons of Sceva who were not saved.
I agree doubt from God's people does limit it, as well as their own sins. But I have proved it true that you can calm a person down by shutting down the devil, and you can talk to the person about repentance. Ask all the folks we've seen set free.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:16 PM
But they didn't come out silently, did they? The Bible says they cried with a loud voice, they foamed even before Jesus. One even "tore" its host before coming out, right in front of Jesus. Why didn't the Lord ask him to calm down and play nice?
Not all who claim possession are truly possessed. There are a lot of fakers out there. If they all played nice when you asked them to, I suspect you've been had. When devils come out, they scream and act violently. That's Bible.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:18 PM
But they didn't come out silently, did they? The Bible says they cried with a loud voice, they foamed even before Jesus. One even "tore" its host before coming out, right in front of Jesus. Why didn't the Lord ask him to calm down and play nice?
I agree. I am talking about your words concerning over a dozen men fighting to hold a man back. Not a scream coming out.
Not all who claim possession are truly possessed. There are a lot of fakers out there. If they all played nice when you asked them to, I suspect you've been had. When devils come out, they scream and act violently. That's Bible.
I am not talking about a holler and scream when they leave. I had MOST do that. I am talking about an ongoing fight. Constant screaming that goes on and on. Jesus did not have twenty of His disciples fight with a man and hold him down, though. None of them did, except the seven sons of Sceva. That's bible.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:18 PM
Jesus had the Holy Ghost, yet they exhibited violent behaviour in front of Him. They even thought the one boy was dead after the violent episode.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:20 PM
Jesus had the Holy Ghost, yet they exhibited violent behaviour in front of Him. They even thought the one boy was dead after the violent episode.
Like I said, I am not talking about a holler and scream when they leave. I've seen them tear up people's throats and leave people gasping. But I am saying the long fighting and the twenty men deal is what is not necessary.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:23 PM
Apostles: Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
Unbeleivers: Acts 19:14-16 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. (15) And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? (16) And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Who had the fight?
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:24 PM
No one was harmed, Bro Blume. We were initially laying hands on him for chronic migraine headaches, when the devils manifested themselves and he stood up and took the altar workers with him. No harm, no foul. He got delivered. The end.
Truthseeker
10-31-2008, 08:26 PM
Apostles: Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
Unbeleivers: Acts 19:14-16 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. (15) And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? (16) And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Who had the fight?
You mean you didn't have to slap em with a bible like Larson?:snapout
Truthseeker
10-31-2008, 08:27 PM
If bro Williams is casting out devils, then amen!
If bro Blume is casting out devils then amen?
Truthseeker
10-31-2008, 08:27 PM
Jesus had the Holy Ghost, yet they exhibited violent behaviour in front of Him. They even thought the one boy was dead after the violent episode.
True but Jesus didn't have to pin em to the ground.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:29 PM
No one was harmed, Bro Blume. We were initially laying hands on him for chronic migraine headaches, when the devils manifested themselves and he stood up and took the altar workers with him. No harm, no foul. He got delivered. The end.
You must feel insulted when someone gives a bit of advice you did not have before. Hey, believe what you want! Fight with devils with twenty men for hours. But all that I have been trying to say is we can stop the fighting and talk to the person about repentance and see the fighting be gone. I'd take any advice I can get to make the job easier.
One time while praying for a girl who was involved in witchcraft she was hissing like a snake and curling up her hands like claws, and the devil would not leave. We stopped her quite easily, and talked to her. Suddenly the Lord gave us a discerning of spirits and showed us a particular sin she had not repented of. She immediately asked for forgiveness, and the hissing was gone and the thing just hollered as it came out as easy as that. Yes, she was tired and worn out after. It tore her as it came out. But she remarked immediately how overwhelmingly clean she felt. We could have fought for hours, but we learned the need for repentance. Try it. It works! :D
Take care!
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:29 PM
If bro Williams is casting out devils, then amen!
If bro Blume is casting out devils then amen?
Amen!
If Bob Larson is casting out devils, then amen!
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:31 PM
You mean you didn't have to slap em with a bible like Larson?:snapout
Nope. lololol.
The dude is right about sending them to the pit, though. One time a devil came out of someone and jumped into someone else, and the second person then needed deliverance. We can't just cast them out, and that's it.
The bible did not mention it in every case, but recall the time when Legion asked about not being sent to the deep. Jesus cast them somewhere, though -- into pigs -- and they wound up going into the deep, anyway!
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:34 PM
Quote a topic for hallowe'en, huh?
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:38 PM
Screaming goes totally. Fighting is gone. Screaming and taking fits is sure sign that repentance is not present.
I am not talking about a holler and scream when they leave. I had MOST do that.
Well, which is it? Screaming "goes totally" until one is confronted with the Word about the screaming and then "MOST do that".
The only screams were when they exit, I never said otherwise. I think you may have been dealing with metally unstable people who thought, along with you, that they were possessed. True possession is not as common as many think. I've been to churches where the theme was casting out demons. People come up, all claiming possession, and not one was truly possessed. It was truly pathetic. Preachers preaching against "caffiene demons" and "soap opera demons" and "hair cutting demons"(joking), and boy did the "demoniacs" come out of the woodwork. I've only seen the real deal three times in my life.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:40 PM
True but Jesus didn't have to pin em to the ground.
Nobody said anything about pinning anyone to the ground.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:47 PM
Well, which is it. Screaming "goes totally" until one is confronted with the Word about the screaming and then "MOST do that".
The only screams were when they exit, I never said otherwise. I think you may have been dealing with metally unstable people who thought, along with you, that they were possessed.
This is no competition, bro, about who saw the real thing or not. lol
One case saw the lights of the church turn off without a man at the switch.
Anyway, I was speaking about fighting with twenty men.
True possession is not as common as many think. I've been to churches where the theme was casting out demons. People come up, all claiming possession, and not one was truly possessed. It was truly pathetic. Preachers preaching against "caffiene demons" and "soap opera demons" and "hair cutting demons"(joking), and boy did the "demoniacs" come out of the woodwork. I've only seen the real deal three times in my life.
Three times?
Notice how Jesus stopped the theatrics:
Mark 1:23-25 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, (24) Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. (25) And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:52 PM
This is no competition, bro, about who saw the real thing or not. lol
One case saw the lights of the church turn off without a man at the switch.
Anyway, I was speaking about fighting with twenty men.
Three times?
Notice how Jesus stopped the theatrics:
Mark 1:23-25 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, (24) Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. (25) And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
Amen! I've used that very line(with a "In the Name of Jesus Christ" at the end) and it works! Didn't have to make him repent of some hidden sin first though.
TRFrance
10-31-2008, 08:53 PM
Gentlemen, please.
I cant believe the two of you guys are butting heads over what's the best way to cast out a demon.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 08:55 PM
Amen! I've used that very line(with a "In the Name of Jesus Christ" at the end) and it works! Didn't have to make him repent of some hidden sin first though.
Did not have time?
You missed it. Jesus stopped the theatrics and even so much as the discussion with the spirit.
Hey, I believe you've done it. No big deal. But three times is not hardly enough to be an expert and say what and what not can occur and say who has and who has not ministered it. And all I am saying is stop the fight and teach repentance, and you do not need twenty men to hold a guy down.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 08:55 PM
My only beef is with your theory that if a demoniac acts violently, it means that I and my Brothers and Sisters in the congregation are more akin to the sons of Sceva than to the Lord's disciples. We're not perfect, but we're not pretenders.
TRFrance
10-31-2008, 09:00 PM
Is this the same Bob Larson who used to be on the radio in the early 80's, late 70's? If so, he used to talk all the time about things like Free Masons being sinful. He also wrote a book about churches and organizations that he considered to be - oh shoot, what's the word? It means way off base, anti-Christian???? Rats! Wish I could think of the word. Anyhow, he listed a whole bunch of churches that he said fit this catagory, including Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and THE UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH.
I had listened to him occasionally up to that point. But once I read that book, I've never listened to him since then.
Are you asking us, or telling us? Did he say this about the UPC, or no?
Okay, point taken. I can't see the video here at work, I've just seen others very quickly on a documentary about possession. Like I said, maybe they are good actors. The nose twitch thing sounds a bit ignorant. The fact that he calls UPC'ers heretics seals the deal. He's a fake, got it.
In fairness, I don't think we know for a fact that he said this. The suggestion has been made that he said it, but nothing solid has been shown that he actually did say this.
mfblume
10-31-2008, 09:00 PM
My only beef is with your theory that if a demoniac acts violently, it means that I and my Brothers and Sisters in the congregation are more akin to the sons of Sceva than to the Lord's disciples. We're not perfect, but we're not pretenders.
Why draw this out? lol No one is perfect and we can all learn a little more about something. I just noted that we do not have to fight like you folks did. That's all. lol
I do not have a theory that you folks are pretenders, since that is not the issue. Please hear this this time. It's a fact that we can shut the devil down and command it to hold its peace. Having the person repent is factually of utmost help in avoiding a fight with twenty Christians to one possessed person, and that fighting is more akin to the pretenders.
I believe you finally succeeded. But when our experience is more akin to those who were not knowledgeable, compared to the words of Paul alone without twenty disciples fighting with him, there is something to learn about it. That's all.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 09:01 PM
Did not have time?
You missed it. Jesus stopped the theatrics and even so much as the discussion with the spirit.
Hey, I believe you've done it. No big deal. But three times is not hardly enough to be an expert and say what and what not can occur and say who has and who has not ministered it. And all I am saying is stop the fight and teach repentance, and you do not need twenty men to hold a guy down.
We didn't hold him down, we were praying for him, laying our hands on him for migraines when he erupted into fits. No one went into it thinking about exorcism, it just happened that way.
Three times with the real thing. I've witnessed fakery more times than I care to count, with preachers taken in hook, line and sinker.
I am relatively young, but I have a Pastor who has been in the Ministry for over thirty years and a Bishop who has been preaching for over sixty. They both confirm the telltale signs I have mentioned.
Ev. Duane Williams
10-31-2008, 09:03 PM
Gotta go. Preterism(in any form) is a doctrine of devils. You might want to deal with that before trying to cast any out!!!
mfblume
10-31-2008, 09:05 PM
Gotta go. Preterism(in any form) is a doctrine of devils. You might want to deal with that before trying to cast any out!!!
Cheap shot. Let's be adults. :)
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 01:27 AM
Amen!
If Bob Larson is casting out devils, then amen!
And if Bob Larson is just enjoying the attention and making some extra cash by fooling people or preying on the weak minded, shame on him.
nahkoe
11-01-2008, 06:38 AM
Are you asking us, or telling us? Did he say this about the UPC, or no?
In fairness, I don't think we know for a fact that he said this. The suggestion has been made that he said it, but nothing solid has been shown that he actually did say this.
Eh, I can't find anything in google that specifically connects him to the comment (in a few minute search at least). But I found some things that definitely don't improve my opinion of him. I wouldn't be too surprised if he had included the UPC in his cult list. I'm not interested in spending the money on his book to find out though.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
I have cast out my share of demons, and all that laying the Bible on them and other fol-de-rol is unnecessary.
I don't fight with devils, and often won't even touch the person, especially if it is a woman with a sensual spirit. They like that too much.
You speak to the devil and command him to come out, and there is no need for all that wrestling and carrying on.
I won't let them do that.
Devils love attention.
I am not going to carry on some conversation with devils either, or give them opportunity to speak this and that.
I tell them to be still and come out.
Why give a platform for the enemy to speak? Just to wow the crowd?
Nonsense.
Why take up valuable time that could be spent worshipping Jesus or preaching to put on a sideshow starring some demon?
Deal with it and move on. Don't make the devil the main event.
TRFrance
11-01-2008, 07:57 AM
And if Bob Larson is just enjoying the attention and making some extra cash by fooling people or preying on the weak minded, shame on him.
Well, you don't know for sure that he's not really casting out demons.
His doctrinal financial issues are between him and God to deal with , but in the meantime, if people are being delivered from demons, I'm ok with that.
Lord knows, deliverance from demons is a topic that's not discussed enough or taught about enough in Apostolic circles.
jaxfam6
11-01-2008, 08:20 AM
We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
I have cast out my share of demons, and all that laying the Bible on them and other fol-de-rol is unnecessary.
I don't fight with devils, and often won't even touch the person, especially if it is a woman with a sensual spirit. They like that too much.
You speak to the devil and command him to come out, and there is no need for all that wrestling and carrying on.
I won't let them do that.
Devils love attention.
I am not going to carry on some conversation with devils either, or give them opportunity to speak this and that.
I tell them to be still and come out.
Why give a platform for the enemy to speak? Just to wow the crowd?
Nonsense.
Why take up valuable time that could be spent worshipping Jesus or preaching to put on a sideshow starring some demon?
Deal with it and move on. Don't make the devil the main event.
This is how I have always felt about it. Any pastor I have had has been the same way.
Michael The Disciple
11-01-2008, 08:24 AM
Why would anyone be surprised if Larson says the UPC are Heretics? All strong Trinitarians do the same thing. I was called a Heretic by a number of them just recently.
jaxfam6
11-01-2008, 08:33 AM
Is this the same Bob Larson who used to be on the radio in the early 80's, late 70's? If so, he used to talk all the time about things like Free Masons being sinful. He also wrote a book about churches and organizations that he considered to be - oh shoot, what's the word? It means way off base, anti-Christian???? Rats! Wish I could think of the word. Anyhow, he listed a whole bunch of churches that he said fit this catagory, including Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and THE UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH.
I had listened to him occasionally up to that point. But once I read that book, I've never listened to him since then.
I don't think Margie is making up what she read. She says she read that this guy called the UPC a bunch of heretics then she read that.
I don't give credibility to anyone who makes a show out of casting out demons. To me it sounds more like he is in league with them than against them.
mfblume
11-01-2008, 11:41 AM
We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
I have cast out my share of demons, and all that laying the Bible on them and other fol-de-rol is unnecessary.
I don't fight with devils, and often won't even touch the person, especially if it is a woman with a sensual spirit. They like that too much.
You speak to the devil and command him to come out, and there is no need for all that wrestling and carrying on.
I won't let them do that.
Devils love attention.
I am not going to carry on some conversation with devils either, or give them opportunity to speak this and that.
I tell them to be still and come out.
Why give a platform for the enemy to speak? Just to wow the crowd?
Nonsense.
Why take up valuable time that could be spent worshipping Jesus or preaching to put on a sideshow starring some demon?
Deal with it and move on. Don't make the devil the main event.
Amen and amen. I tried saying this same thing earlier but offended some pride.
mfblume
11-01-2008, 11:41 AM
And if Bob Larson is just enjoying the attention and making some extra cash by fooling people or preying on the weak minded, shame on him.
I agree.
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 01:49 PM
Well, you don't know for sure that he's not really casting out demons.
His doctrinal financial issues are between him and God to deal with , but in the meantime, if people are being delivered from demons, I'm ok with that.
Lord knows, deliverance from demons is a topic that's not discussed enough or taught about enough in Apostolic circles.
Im postive he is not. I base that on all the years I used to hear him on the radio. HE is the radio version of Benny Hinn and the other types.
I also base that on what I have seen in the area of casting out demons. Again folks, look this up on the net. Let me try this again
Here is another link you all should read.
http://www.cornerstonemag.com/features/iss100/larson.htm
I've watched Bob do his exercisms and something just never seems right to me. I heard him do it on the radio too and again it did not seem right
http://www.xenutv.com/cults/meetinglarson.htm
This guy witnessed one of these events
mfblume
11-01-2008, 01:58 PM
Prax, who could possibly be the people whom Jesus turns away who actually cast out devils but were workers of iniquity? Do you believe one has to be valid in all areas to truly cast a devil out?
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 01:59 PM
Some of these look like bad actors, others look like disturbed people perhaps unwittingly "mimicking" what they think a demon possessed person should act like.
Sorry. I don't trust Bob Larson the man. He has always seemed like someone to abuse someone elses situation for financial gain.
And I have seen these shows and honestly I just don't think he is dealing with real demons...or should I say demonic spirits. He is dealing with the mentally unstable, the weak minded that are easy to manipulate due to their mental disposition and what they are expecting and the pre-conceived ideas they come with...plus Bob "primes" them like any good snake oil salesman would
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 02:07 PM
Prax, who could possibly be the people whom Jesus turns away who actually cast out devils but were workers of iniquity? Do you believe one has to be valid in all areas to truly cast a devil out?
Not Bob Larson, that is who. Bob is a fake and a fraud. He preys on the weak minded.
You don't have to be doctrinally correct, however Satan does not cast out satan. But then again I did not say "Bob can't cast out demons because he is a sinner"....
HE is a fraud! He has been a fraud! His LIFE is a fraud. Don't you all get it? He is a fraud. He uses fraud to gain money. He does not DO anything. Research the man online. He manipulates weak minded individuals. He might as well be an Eastern Religious Guru the way he manipulates people into believing they are demon possessed by his "visualization" techniques.
Bob is a liar. He is a fraud. He has a history of repeating this just as many other modern day false prophets do. When they get outed they move on to a new technique.
Bob started as the self styled expert on rock and roll and how the devil uses it...he embellished his own history to do so. Reminds me of Mike Warnke.
When that no longer panned out he because the world's foremost expert on the occult...self titled of course. He did not author his own books either. He had ghost writers.
When the radio show no longer panned out, he took his act on the road to have "seminars".
He is Americanism at it's best...or worst. There is a sucker born every second and he knows that.
Just go through the links please I gave...do some more research on your own too.
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 02:09 PM
Why would anyone be surprised if Larson says the UPC are Heretics? All strong Trinitarians do the same thing. I was called a Heretic by a number of them just recently.
I heard a radio show once where he had an "expert" on Cults.
Someone called in, a Oneness person I think it was, and the expert confirmed yes they are a cult and unsaved....
Well Bob denied such a notion accepting us as brethren, yet possibly mistaken.
At the time I was pleasantly surprised, but then I realized that Bob needs listenership...and Pentecostals tend to be gullible. He is like the T.D. Jakes of the radio talk show circuit...or was.
Not Bob Larson, that is who. Bob is a fake and a fraud. He preys on the weak minded.
You don't have to be doctrinally correct, however Satan does not cast out satan. But then again I did not say "Bob can't cast out demons because he is a sinner"....
HE is a fraud! He has been a fraud! His LIFE is a fraud. Don't you all get it? He is a fraud. He uses fraud to gain money. He does not DO anything. Research the man online. He manipulates weak minded individuals. He might as well be an Eastern Religious Guru the way he manipulates people into believing they are demon possessed by his "visualization" techniques.
Bob is a liar. He is a fraud. He has a history of repeating this just as many other modern day false prophets do. When they get outed they move on to a new technique.
Bob started as the self styled expert on rock and roll and how the devil uses it...he embellished his own history to do so. Reminds me of Mike Warnke.
When that no longer panned out he because the world's foremost expert on the occult...self titled of course. He did not author his own books either. He had ghost writers.
When the radio show no longer panned out, he took his act on the road to have "seminars".
He is Americanism at it's best...or worst. There is a sucker born every second and he knows that.
Just go through the links please I gave...do some more research on your own too.
Pun intended?:ursofunny
I agree with you Prax.
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 02:41 PM
Thanks Ron...I see your foo shot is still active and working :-)
Truthseeker
11-01-2008, 03:29 PM
Just wondering here, could God because he's so full of grace give some of these people that go to Bob true deliverence even though he got issues?
Kinda like someone with true faith getting healed at a Hinn metting??
nahkoe
11-01-2008, 03:58 PM
Just wondering here, could God because he's so full of grace give some of these people that go to Bob true deliverence even though he got issues?
Kinda like someone with true faith getting healed at a Hinn metting??
Sure He could. And I'm sure He does.
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 04:16 PM
Just wondering here, could God because he's so full of grace give some of these people that go to Bob true deliverence even though he got issues?
Kinda like someone with true faith getting healed at a Hinn metting??
God can do anything. But if they are getting deliverance is it because of Bob's placing the bible on their heads or some other reason? Can someone go to a JW minister and be delivered? Can someone go to a Mormon and be delivered? Can someone go to Bill Gates and be delivered?
My point here has been Bob is not practicing deliverance, He is practicing deception. He looks for "candidates" that he can work with....primed before hand with visualization. Those weakminded individuals are convinced they have demons.
This is auto suggestion...hypnotism. There have been people that ended up in jail because they were trying to cast demons out of people that were not demonically possessed, and ended up injuring that person.
They didn't have to do what Bob does in the bible..the prepping with an audience then looking for the right person to put on display. Demons act out often without coaxing or someone with the Spirit picks them out by the Spirit of God...not by mechanical coaxing and maniplation of people's guilt or past experiences.
mfblume
11-01-2008, 05:01 PM
Larson used Jesus' name, and I think despite the antics with the bible and the crucifixes, the enemy can be cast out even by him. :)
Like I said, I think we better watch what we say about these issues, since the only time Jesus commented on blaspheming the Spirit was when people criticized Him for casting out devils. Just 'cuz they're not with us doesn't mean they're not actually doing something, despite what we "feel". IMHO, of course.
A few quick observations.
* I would not consider Larson a fraud because he may have had people come back for deliverance. Scripture teaches the devils leave but make a return visit. If the house is swept empty, the devils bring their buddies and situations are even worse. I know of cases where people were delivered from demon possession only to return to the same environment doing the same stuff that bound them in the first place.
* Many confuse demonic oppression with demonic possession.
* I don't see in scripture much dialog with devils. The most dialog I remember is when the devils asked Jesus to be tossed into a herd of pigs. Other than that, a simple command and the devils were gone. Anyone with the Holy Ghost is able to cast out devils. I don't make it harder than what it is. If a person wants deliverance, I use the authority of Jesus Christ by the Blood of the Lamb and the devil's gone. It's not rocket science.
TRFrance
11-01-2008, 05:07 PM
Larson used Jesus' name, and I think despite the antics with the bible and the crucifixes, the enemy can be cast out even by him. :)
Like I said, I think we better watch what we say about these issues, since the only time Jesus commented on blaspheming the Spirit was when people criticized Him for casting out devils. Just 'cuz they're not with us doesn't mean they're not actually doing something, despite what we "feel". IMHO, of course.
Well said MB.
Personally , I'm always cautious when it comes to these things (casting out devils/praying for healing, etc), when it comes to declaring someone's actions to be of God or not.
ReformedDave
11-01-2008, 05:20 PM
Not Bob Larson, that is who. Bob is a fake and a fraud. He preys on the weak minded.
You don't have to be doctrinally correct, however Satan does not cast out satan. But then again I did not say "Bob can't cast out demons because he is a sinner"....
HE is a fraud! He has been a fraud! His LIFE is a fraud. Don't you all get it? He is a fraud. He uses fraud to gain money. He does not DO anything. Research the man online. He manipulates weak minded individuals. He might as well be an Eastern Religious Guru the way he manipulates people into believing they are demon possessed by his "visualization" techniques.
Bob is a liar. He is a fraud. He has a history of repeating this just as many other modern day false prophets do. When they get outed they move on to a new technique.
Bob started as the self styled expert on rock and roll and how the devil uses it...he embellished his own history to do so. Reminds me of Mike Warnke.
When that no longer panned out he because the world's foremost expert on the occult...self titled of course. He did not author his own books either. He had ghost writers.
When the radio show no longer panned out, he took his act on the road to have "seminars".
He is Americanism at it's best...or worst. There is a sucker born every second and he knows that.
Just go through the links please I gave...do some more research on your own too.
Agreed! He's a royal idiot! I can't believe anyone here falls for his slight of mind tactics......or maybe I can. Sad!
ronharvey
11-01-2008, 05:30 PM
I know Bob Larson from almost 30 years ago and all the radio stations he was kicked off of for staging antics.
He tried twice to stage a girl who had "escaped" the clutches of her satanic family who was going to sacrifice her to Lucifer.
He was shown a fraud in Texas and well as California.
He sucked so many people in then would bolt.
He is a showman alright, no wonder he has his own special.
Nuff said about Fraud Larson
Ron
Larson used Jesus' name, and I think despite the antics with the bible and the crucifixes, the enemy can be cast out even by him. :)
Like I said, I think we better watch what we say about these issues, since the only time Jesus commented on blaspheming the Spirit was when people criticized Him for casting out devils. Just 'cuz they're not with us doesn't mean they're not actually doing something, despite what we "feel". IMHO, of course.
I treat him the same as I treat Swaggart, he fell into adultery and covered it up & when he should have resigned and place himself under some accountability yet
failed to do so, I have no respect for him.
Doesn't mean I didn't feel God when he sang or that he even knew God-that isn't the point.
The point is his actions & any lack of accountability.
You usually can tell when there is some accountability.
That is the issue.
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 07:18 PM
Larson used Jesus' name, and I think despite the antics with the bible and the crucifixes, the enemy can be cast out even by him. :)
Like I said, I think we better watch what we say about these issues, since the only time Jesus commented on blaspheming the Spirit was when people criticized Him for casting out devils. Just 'cuz they're not with us doesn't mean they're not actually doing something, despite what we "feel". IMHO, of course.
In order to do what you are 'accusing' of doing one has to say Bob really IS casting out devils and doing so by the power of Satan in jesus name.
THAT...is NOT what anyone, let alone myself, is saying. I don't think those people have demons. I don't think he is casting them out. I think he is a fake and a fraud. Jesus name is not a magical name that anyone can call on and something happens. It's the authority by which we are empowered to do things. If someone is just having a dog and pony show to make money they are not really "casting out demons"..they are putting on a show and in this case he is preying on weak minds...
Please PLEASE go read the links...research this guy
I know at least in my case I never said ONE THING about him not being with us. I never said you have to be Oneness to cast out devils.
And if you read what I posted it's NOT about feelings. I provided the links that any rational objective mind can read through. Do the investigation. This guy is a snake oil salesman.
Praxeas
11-01-2008, 07:21 PM
A few quick observations.
* I would not consider Larson a fraud because he may have had people come back for deliverance. Scripture teaches the devils leave but make a return visit. If the house is swept empty, the devils bring their buddies and situations are even worse. I know of cases where people were delivered from demon possession only to return to the same environment doing the same stuff that bound them in the first place.
In different locations? that is what fake "faith healers" did. They took their dog and pony show on the road with their cast if sick people they healed. Read. Go online and read about this man
* Many confuse demonic oppression with demonic possession.
Then apparently so does Bob Larson. He is supposedly dealing with Demonically possessed individuals where the demons manifest through them
* I don't see in scripture much dialog with devils. The most dialog I remember is when the devils asked Jesus to be tossed into a herd of pigs. Other than that, a simple command and the devils were gone. Anyone with the Holy Ghost is able to cast out devils. I don't make it harder than what it is. If a person wants deliverance, I use the authority of Jesus Christ by the Blood of the Lamb and the devil's gone. It's not rocket science.
Bob has conversations with them. He presses his bible against their heads as if that does something....click the links, read about him do the research. He is a fraud.
Hoovie
11-01-2008, 07:48 PM
Like a lot of other hypes... i suspect these are about 80% theatrics and manipulation and the rest real... sort of by default.
mfblume
11-02-2008, 08:00 PM
Like a lot of other hypes... i suspect these are about 80% theatrics and manipulation and the rest real... sort of by default.
I agree perfectly.
Like a lot of other hypes... i suspect these are about 80% theatrics and manipulation and the rest real... sort of by default.
Yeah, I would agree with that. Some people are helped in spite of the theatrics.
bkstokes
11-21-2008, 07:28 PM
I know Dereck Prince passed on already, but what are your opinions of him?
mfblume
11-22-2008, 10:16 AM
I know Dereck Prince passed on already, but what are your opinions of him?
Great bible teacher with A LOT of insight on deliverance.
Steve Epley
11-22-2008, 10:21 AM
I think he is nuts.:aaa
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