Mark Segraves

[Hoovie]

I understand he sent in his UPC license... Anyone know particulars? I am sorry to hear this personally.

[StMark]

I understand he sent in his UPC license... Anyone know particulars? I am sorry to hear this personally.



There's a member here on AFF that's very good friends with him- he would know.

[A_PoMo]

If so, then congrats to Mark.

[CC1]

What relation is he to the Seagraves that teaches at Stockton?

[Praxeas]

Segraves

[Hoovie]

What relation is he to the Seagraves that teaches at Stockton?

That would be his father Dan Segraves, though I don't think he is at Stockton any more.

[ManOfWord]

I'd tell Mark the same thing I tell everyone who is thinking of leaving the "Mother Ship".....follow the Cloud, not the crowd! :D

[Dora]

Oh Wow! This is quite the event! Almost as momentous as James Garner turning in his license - or did he??? I think these guys are educated, deep thinkers, progressively minded and it's tough standing by and watching while the organization they invested their lives in gets caught up in political shenanigans and refuses to come into the new millenium in order to reach the world with the gospel.

[Dora]

Wonder if his dad still holds to the "hair" issue??? "Hair, the Long and Short of It," is the only book authored by Bro. Segraves that I have can't quite wrap my mind around. Maybe Mark will write a version called, "Hair: the SHORT and the Long of It."

[ReformedDave]

Oh Wow! This is quite the event! Almost as momentous as James Garner turning in his license - or did he??? I think these guys are educated, deep thinkers, progressively minded and it's tough standing by and watching while the organization they invested their lives in gets caught up in political shenanigans and refuses to come into the new millenium in order to reach the world with the gospel.

James Garner???

[All4one]

Oh Wow! This is quite the event! Almost as momentous as James Garner turning in his license - or did he??? I think these guys are educated, deep thinkers, progressively minded and it's tough standing by and watching while the organization they invested their lives in gets caught up in political shenanigans and refuses to come into the new millenium in order to reach the world with the gospel.

I think James Garner is an old actor. I never heard he was licsensed by UPC.

[CC1]

James Garner???

You remember doncha? Rockford Files and Maverick before that!:tease

[Jack Shephard]

You remember doncha? Rockford Files and Maverick before that!:tease

Right...Jennifer Garners dad right? :dance

[Sam]

James Garner???

Wasn't he a tv actor who played "Rockford" years ago?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Wasn't he a tv actor who played "Rockford" years ago?

I used to like watching that show on channel 20.



Since leaving the UPCI and joining the COGIC, I sure do miss my days with the UPCI!

I remember them, so pure, so energetic, so Christ-oriented!







































(in the begining....) :(

[Sam]

...
Since leaving the UPCI and joining the COGIC,
...


Wow!!

You actually left the UPC and joined the COGIC??

That makes you a twofold child of hell!!!

just kidding

[A_PoMo]

I think Dora is talking about Jeff Garner. He and Mark both got M.Divs and Jeff got a D.Min (i think Mark did too) and they both taught at Christian Life College.

[ReformedDave]

I think Dora is talking about Jeff Garner. He and Mark both got M.Divs and Jeff got a D.Min (i think Mark did too) and they both taught at Christian Life College.

I believe Jeff still holds his credentials with the UPC.

[deltaguitar]

Here is Jeff Garner's church website. As far as I know he is still UPC.

http://www.sflighthouse.com/

[Jermyn Davidson]

Wow!!

You actually left the UPC and joined the COGIC??

That makes you a twofold child of hell!!!

just kidding


Well I definitely felt like I was on the outside when I visited the UPCI last night for Sun evening service.

I tell you what, from my experience, NO ONE knows how to have church like a bunch blood-bought-holy-rollin-power praying-Holy Ghost-filled United Pentecostal Christians!

While there and in prayer with my nephew before service, I found myself praying, "In the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God," and, "Unto us a child is born unto a Son is given. The government shall be upon His shoulders. And His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Evervalsting Father, The Prince of Peace."

I miss belonging to an UPCI church.

This brother's decision to leave is no doubt a very gut wrenching decision-- one that no one can make lightly.

[Baron1710]

I think Dora is talking about Jeff Garner. He and Mark both got M.Divs and Jeff got a D.Min (i think Mark did too) and they both taught at Christian Life College.

Here is Mark's website http://www.thefreewaychurch.com

Mark has a phd in psych.

[freeatlast]

Mark's preached for us before. This does'nt surprise me. Mark is a fantastic speaker.

I wish my pastor would turn in his card.

[Kings Kid]

IHere is Jeff Garner's church website. As far as I know he is still UPC.

http://www.sflighthouse.com/
I have heard That Jeff Garner is no longer upc

[ReformedDave]

I
I have heard That Jeff Garner is no longer upc

Just had breakfast with him. Unless it's been in the last couple of weeks he still is.

[Kings Kid]

Just had breakfast with him. Unless it's been in the last couple of weeks he still is.

Some of the things that he is doing sounds very close to what the emerging church is doing.

[ReformedDave]

Some of the things that he is doing sounds very close to what the emerging church is doing.

You think?!:whistle

[GraceAmazing]

Here is Mark's website http://www.thefreewaychurch.com

Mark has a phd in psych.

What a unique and fun website! Love their approach! I personally wish them the best!

[Kings Kid]

You think?!:whistle
I do received a very interesting email from his church just a few weeks ago and it was leaning towards that way. Would you like me to post the email.

[ReformedDave]

I do received a very interesting email from his church just a few weeks ago and it was leaning towards that way. Would you like me to post the email.

If you want. I know him well so I know where he stands.......

[LUKE2447]

please explain "where he stands" as that would be interesting.

[Praxeas]

Not much of a doctrinal statement there "what we believe"

[Hoovie]

Not much of a doctrinal statement there "what we believe"

Did you click for the expanded version?

[ReformedDave]

Go to his web site.

[Baron1710]

Go to his web site.

From his website things he dislikes...

Dislikes -- Slow cars in the fast lane; computer problems; car problems; religion that places people under oppresive burdens and sin because it does the same.

[deltaguitar]

Wow, I am liking what I read from these guys. Maybe they could be a force to change the UPC for the better.

[freeatlast]

Wow, I am liking what I read from these guys. Maybe they could be a force to change the UPC for the better.

Probably not gonna happen. It's much easier to change the world.


Some are questioning where he "stands" ? I'm not sure, but I doubt he takes more than one step to get there. :tease

[GraceAmazing]

Does anyone know "for sure" that he left the UPC? He still shows up on the UPCI website. I personally really like his approach!

[freeatlast]

Does anyone know "for sure" that he left the UPC? He still shows up on the UPCI website. I personally really like his approach!

My pastor is a good friend of Mark's and he confirms that, yes he did drop his license.

[GraceAmazing]

My pastor is a good friend of Mark's and he confirms that, yes he did drop his license.

Why?

[GraceAmazing]

Okay, so I can't figure out how to edit the previous post of why...My daughter started screaming and I didn't get to finish my question.

I just wondered why he left and did he join the WWPF?

[freeatlast]

Okay, so I can't figure out how to edit the previous post of why...My daughter started screaming and I didn't get to finish my question.

I just wondered why he left and did he join the WWPF?


:ursofunny:ursofunny


No, he did not go WPF.

Probably just independant for now.

[Charnock]

Why did Mark Segraves leave the UPC????

[Hoovie]

Charnie, I could guess, but speculation is not good in these cases.

[Charnock]

Charnie, I could guess, but speculation is not good in these cases.


Then why start the stinkin' thread!

I wanna know why he left the UPC!!!!!!!!!!

[GraceAmazing]

:ursofunny:ursofunny


No, he did not go WPF.

Probably just independant for now.


Okay, so I take it he's a little more liberal now? No biggie to me...I'm a little more liberal now myself...just curious. I really did like his website and his approach! I do wish him the sincerest best of wishes!!!

[Hoovie]

Then why start the stinkin' thread!

I wanna know why he left the UPC!!!!!!!!!!

Ha Ha yer funny. I started the thread because I too would like to know. :)

[Praxeas]

Ha Ha yer funny. I started the thread because I too would like to know. :)
You mean "I don't want to speculate because it's not good....so can someone else do it for me?" :ursofunny

[A_PoMo]

I reckon he left cuz he disagreed with more than he agreed with and couldn't in good conscience continue to support something he didn't believe.

[Hoovie]

You mean "I don't want to speculate because it's not good....so can someone else do it for me?" :ursofunny

No that is NOT what I mean. Mark has close friends here on AFF and I hoped they or he himself would address the question with firsthand knowledge.

[Praxeas]

No that is NOT what I mean. Mark has close friends here on AFF and I hoped they or he himself would address the question with firsthand knowledge.
Ok...if you say so :tease

[Charnock]

For the love of all that's holy and good, WHY????????

[freeatlast]

For the love of all that's holy and good, WHY????????

You so funny Charnock.

I know one of Mark's best friends is on this forum.

and that friend has been silent ;-) That's why he's his best friend ;-)


My guess...just easier to get a new work of the ground in the St Louis area with out the Organization.

[Charnock]

Okay, that's a little bit of information.

Keep it flowing or I will bring out the big blue font again.

[CC1]

I did click on the expanded version of his new church's belief statement and it is totally PCI.

Water baptism is specifically mentioned as being a sacrament and not a requirement for salvation.

Very intersting.

[freeatlast]

I did click on the expanded version of his new church's belief statement and it is totally PCI.

Water baptism is specifically mentioned as being a sacrament and not a requirement for salvation.

Very intersting.


Very true.

[rgcraig]

Then why start the stinkin' thread!

I wanna know why he left the UPC!!!!!!!!!!

Call him and ask him.

[CC1]

Why did Mark Segraves leave the UPC????

Based on his doctrinal belief statement on his website (the expanded version) it appears to be a doctrinal difference.

[Tyk]

Totally off topic but -

Segraves

.... I can't place it, but it reminds me of a demon name for some reason. I think it's linked to some game I played previously. Just wierd everytime I see this topic it reminds me =X!

I have no idea who Mark Segraves is and haven't read this thread other than the OP. just to clarify ;)

[Praxeas]

Is this the same Mark Segraves?
http://www.lifesong.net/staff.htm

If so, new church and his wife's name seems to be different but the kids are the same

[Baron1710]

Is this the same Mark Segraves?
http://www.lifesong.net/staff.htm

If so, new church and his wife's name seems to be different but the kids are the same

Same wife.

[Sherri]

We met the senior Pastors James & Shurece Byrd when we were in CA preaching for Keith & Elizabeth. They are an awesome young couple - very down to earth and talented. I didn't know Mark Seagraves was there with them though!

[CC1]

Is this James Byrd, Sr. Pastor at the Stockton church where Mark is Associate Pastor, former UPC?

Let me see if I understand this correcty. Mark Segraves, a former CLC instructor in Stockton is now the Associate Pastor at a Cruisemantic church in Stockton???????

Also someone mentioned that his father had left CLC. Where is he at and is he still UPC?

[freeatlast]

Dan is now in st Louis area. Dan is doing some teaching at UGST I believe.
Dan preached for us about 6 months ago.

Mark WAS in St Louis area, O'Fallon I believe, he and robin had started a work there.

Last I heard was that they had went back to California.

[Baron1710]

Is this James Byrd, Sr. Pastor at the Stockton church where Mark is Associate Pastor, former UPC?

Let me see if I understand this correcty. Mark Segraves, a former CLC instructor in Stockton is now the Associate Pastor at a Cruisemantic church in Stockton???????

Also someone mentioned that his father had left CLC. Where is he at and is he still UPC?

Yes he was, Daniel Segraves left CLC he is at UGST now. He is still UPCI.

[CC1]

Was Talmadge French at CLC before he left for the World Wide Pentecostal Wrestling Fellowship?

[Hoovie]

Was Talmadge French at CLC before he left for the World Wide Pentecostal Wrestling Fellowship?

No he was over at The Rock, and I suspect that is the primary reason he left.

[Sam]

Then why start the stinkin' thread!

I wanna know why he left the UPC!!!!!!!!!!

Why not contact him and ask him?

Then let us know what he says.

[jpr7]

Here it is:

Mark Segraves is no longer with the UPCI.
Jeff Garner still holds license with the UPCI.
Daniel Segraves still holds license with the UPCI.
Talmadge French taught Greek at Indiana Bible College before going to The Rock (not sure when he came to The Rock church); he never taught at Christian Life College.

[CC1]

Here it is:

Mark Segraves is no longer with the UPCI.
Jeff Garner still holds license with the UPCI.
Daniel Segraves still holds license with the UPCI.
Talmadge French taught Greek at Indiana Bible College before going to The Rock (not sure when he came to The Rock church); he never taught at Christian Life College.

Does anybody know where Mark Segraves is ministering at? Is he pastoring, evangelizing, or taking a break?

[TJJJ]

Why did Mark Segraves leave the UPC????

I know, I know.....


1- He was seen (maybe) coming out of a nightclub and casino in Vegas and charges were pending in the U pay cash!

2- He absconded with the million dollars that KH gave him to hold! ( Source: National Enquirer)

3- They were afraid he was going to run fo district supe and decided they did not want that conservative of a brand! (Trust me on this one)

4- There were rumors that he was singing Karaoke in a bar, along with LW! (Really, not kiddin)

5- Just because he wanted to!



The choice is yours, pick which one of the five you want and run with the rumor!

[Sweet Pea]

Does anybody know where Mark Segraves is ministering at? Is he pastoring, evangelizing, or taking a break?

As stated earlier in this thread....

Mark is currently assisting at Life Song in Stockton, CA. This church is pastored by James Byrd. James was born and raised in Stockton. Life Song (under a different name) was formerly a satellite (daughter work) of CLC . In 2001, James went autonomous and is no longer UPC.

DS left CLC to semi-retire. He teaches at UGST. He wanted to devote more time to writing and further study. One of the foremost theological libraries is located in the St. Louis area. Both he and his wife were raised in and around that area. He also travels teaching around the country. Currently he has not been traveling so much due to a medical condition with his wife. They currently attend "The Sanctuary" pastored by Scott Graham. This is not hearsay - straight from his mouth to my ears.

MS left CLC and was supposed to start a Home Missions work in the St. Louis area. He moved lock-stock-and-barrel from CA and was back within six months to assist at Life Song. His parents had no intentions of attending his church in MO on a regular basis - or helping him start the church. Again, this is not hearsay - straight from MS's mouth to my ears. I'm not sure that he really ever started anything in MO.

[jpr7]

As stated earlier in this thread....

Mark is currently assisting at Life Song in Stockton, CA. This church is pastored by James Byrd. James was born and raised in Stockton. Life Song (under a different name) was formerly a satellite (daughter work) of CLC . In 2001, James went autonomous and is no longer UPC.

DS left CLC to semi-retire. He teaches at UGST. He wanted to devote more time to writing and further study. One of the foremost theological libraries is located in the St. Louis area. Both he and his wife were raised in and around that area. He also travels teaching around the country. Currently he has not been traveling so much due to a medical condition with his wife. They currently attend "The Sanctuary" pastored by Scott Graham. This is not hearsay - straight from his mouth to my ears.

MS left CLC and was supposed to start a Home Missions work in the St. Louis area. He moved lock-stock-and-barrel from CA and was back within six months to assist at Life Song. His parents had no intentions of attending his church in MO on a regular basis - or helping him start the church. Again, this is not hearsay - straight from MS's mouth to my ears. I'm not sure that he really ever started anything in MO.

Thank you, Sweat Pea, for giving us some clarity.

[SiblingRevelry]

I know this is an ancient topic and hasn't been touched in years, but I'm popping it back up because Mark Segraves is starting a church on the far southeastern side of Phoenix in September 2015.

http://www.theencounterchurch.net

Here's Mark's own accounting of the church plant:

http://marksegraves.blogspot.com

I have to tell you I am NOT related to these guys and absolutely NOT doing promotion for them. They have no idea I exist. How I found the church was that I was surfing the map of church plants of an outfit called "Association of Related Churches" this morning. I was clicking on church plants in the Phoenix area and it was like, "Mark Segraves? I KNOW that name..." I did some digging and yep, it's the same Mark Segraves.

[CC1]

I know this is an ancient topic and hasn't been touched in years, but I'm popping it back up because Mark Segraves is starting a church on the far southeastern side of Phoenix in September 2015.

http://www.theencounterchurch.net

Here's Mark's own accounting of the church plant:

http://marksegraves.blogspot.com

I have to tell you I am NOT related to these guys and absolutely NOT doing promotion for them. They have no idea I exist. How I found the church was that I was surfing the map of church plants of an outfit called "Association of Related Churches" this morning. I was clicking on church plants in the Phoenix area and it was like, "Mark Segraves? I KNOW that name..." I did some digging and yep, it's the same Mark Segraves.

SR, thanks for sharing this update. I glanced over his "launch plan" and looks very well thought out. I am wondering if there is a nucleus of people already there wanting him to come that he will have to start with. I also wonder if Life Song is sponsoring his start up or any other church. EDIT: I just read his story about the church and see where Life Song gave them $50,000 as well as ARC.

He will be not too terribly far from where Phillip Goldbsberry pastors Christ Life Church in Tempe that was started by another pastor with deep UPC roots, Jim Roam, before he passed away.

[n david]

$250,000.00 is what it takes to start a church these days?

[Esaias]

$250,000.00 is what it takes to start a church these days?

It only takes two believers and a Bible to start a Biblical church (and they can get the Bible later, actually). Now if you want a fancy, successful synagogue, well... you gotta shell out some dough.

[CC1]

$250,000.00 is what it takes to start a church these days?

There is more than one way to do something and I certainly don't begrudge anybody who has the ability to plan and raise money to start off not flat broke while trying to build a church.

People get too hung up on church government issues thinking things can only be done one way. As I have said before I think the New Testament is puirposefully vague on this subject because God wanted to allow each generation / culture to adapt for what would work for them.

[Scott Pitta]

What a curious thread...

Mark and Jeff are graceful and gifted leaders. When I want to know something about them, I contact them directly.

Otherwise, it sure is a long walk around the barn !!

[CC1]

What a curious thread...

Mark and Jeff are graceful and gifted leaders. When I want to know something about them, I contact them directly.

Otherwise, it sure is a long walk around the barn !!

Not really. The links to Mark's blog and church site, etc shared here gave plenty of information about what he is up to. If I called every stranger that was doing something I was interested in I would spend a lot of time on the phone with awkward telephone calls.

One can be curious as to what is going on in a situation and seek information from those that know without direct contact and there is nothing wrong with that.

[n david]

It only takes two believers and a Bible to start a Biblical church (and they can get the Bible later, actually). Now if you want a fancy, successful synagogue, well... you gotta shell out some dough.
Right. It'll be interesting to see how they're doing in 5 years. These kind of churches are a dime a dozen around this area and many don't last long.

LifeChurch.tv (HQ'd in OK) tried starting a couple churches here years ago. They moved over 100 people here (50 paid staff members for each site). Both churches closed within a year or two.

[CC1]

Right. It'll be interesting to see how they're doing in 5 years. These kind of churches are a dime a dozen around this area and many don't last long.

LifeChurch.tv (HQ'd in OK) tried starting a couple churches here years ago. They moved over 100 people here (50 paid staff members for each site). Both churches closed within a year or two.

There are a lot of factors that are involved in the success or failure of a new church. That includes the leadership, community, strategy,etc.

In our town there is a daughter work of a mega church in Nashville that for the last five years seems to be either in a holding pattern or shrinking. When I visited about five years ago they ran around 150 people in a rented building and the church was five or ten years old then I think. I noticed a couple of years ago that they are now having service in a school so they don't even have a dedicated building. So even with the support of that large mega church they are not really succeeding while our church started six years ago with a handful of people and no money and now has about 1500 people each weekend over four services. When our pastor started this church he was working two jobs. That makes him appreciate everything God has done but it doesn't mean God can't do it another way with a pastor not in a financial bind! I am sure my pastor would have loved financial support starting out.

[n david]

There are a lot of factors that are involved in the success or failure of a new church. That includes the leadership, community, strategy,etc.

In our town there is a daughter work of a mega church in Nashville that for the last five years seems to be either in a holding pattern or shrinking. When I visited about five years ago they ran around 150 people in a rented building and the church was five or ten years old then I think. I noticed a couple of years ago that they are now having service in a school so they don't even have a dedicated building. So even with the support of that large mega church they are not really succeeding while our church started six years ago with a handful of people and no money and now has about 1500 people each weekend over four services. When our pastor started this church he was working two jobs. That makes him appreciate everything God has done but it doesn't mean God can't do it another way with a pastor not in a financial bind! I am sure my pastor would have loved financial support starting out.
I agree there are a lot of factors which relate to the success or failure of a church. No church is guaranteed to be successful.

[Liteweight47]

Looked at the website... eh.... not my type of church but.... to each their own.

[CC1]

Looked at the website... eh.... not my type of church but.... to each their own.

If you are not a liberal ex UPCer I can pretty much guarantee you would not like it!:happydance