Hellinistic and Hebraic Thinking?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Ok I'm curious about alot of different subjects ,pertaining to the Bible ,and Biblical culture and Theology.
What is the difference between Hellinistic ,and Hebraic thinking as it relates to the New Testament?

[Pastor Keith]

Ok I'm curious about alot of different subjects ,pertaining to the Bible ,and Biblical culture and Theology.
What is the difference between Hellinistic ,and Hebraic thinking as it relates to the New Testament?

Plenty, because much of how we interpret some passages has alot to do with how that author thought, in either a Hellenistic way or a Hebrew Way.

The Classic is John 1:1 the word an logos arguement.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Bump for you scholars.

[Newman]

Ok I'm curious about alot of different subjects ,pertaining to the Bible ,and Biblical culture and Theology.
What is the difference between Hellinistic ,and Hebraic thinking as it relates to the New Testament?

In the OT; the Hebrews recognized the worth of women. This ideaology was expressed in Proverbs among other places (including the Ten Commandments) where children were instructed to honor BOTH their fathers and mothers.

By the NT time; after being Hellenized; the Jewish men got up and prayed thanking God they weren't a Gentile nor a woman.

But it was not always so.... (In other words; to some extent the Hebrews had been Hellenized by the time of the NT). :grampa

[rrford]

In the OT; the Hebrews recognized the worth of women. This ideaology was expressed in Proverbs among other places (including the Ten Commandments) where children were instructed to honor BOTH their fathers and mothers.

By the NT time; after being Hellenized; the Jewish men got up and prayed thanking God they weren't a Gentile nor a woman.

But it was not always so.... (In other words; to some extent the Hebrews had been Hellenized by the time of the NT). :grampa

Newman, do you have any definitive proof for this? Sincerely curious. Thanks.

[Newman]

Newman, do you have any definitive proof for this? Sincerely curious. Thanks.

Absolutly, historical fact and record. However, I probably have a ton of books (my husband knows of no one that has more books then me) and half are not on shelves.

Bottom line... I can't easily tell you which books this is in right now. But someone else may know. In fact, I believe there was a thread about this Jewish prayer at the other forum. :tiphat

[rrford]

Absolutly, historical fact and record. However, I probably have a ton of books (my husband knows of no one that has more books then me) and half are not on shelves.

Bottom line... I can't easily tell you which books this is in right now. But someone else may know. In fact, I believe there was a thread about this Jewish prayer at the other forum. :tiphat

I do understand the difficulty in locating exact refernces. I would caution thought that this was not a widely held view of the Jews in early church history. A single prayer does not equate to a national mindset. JMO.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Perhaps Ronzo could offer us some input as he has been studying these sort of subjects.

[Pressing-On]

Talmud Berakhoth 60b

Men say:

"Blessed art thou, Lord our God, King of the universe, who hast not made me a woman."

Daily Prayer Book
Ha-Siddur Ha-Shalem
Translated and Annotated with an Introduction by Philip Birnbaum
Hebrew Publishing Company


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Love it! My husband spotted it first!!!

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[Newman]

I do understand the difficulty in locating exact refernces. I would caution thought that this was not a widely held view of the Jews in early church history. A single prayer does not equate to a national mindset. JMO.

True enough. But I am not so sure that it was just a single prayer and not a mindset of some; the Pharisees in particular.

My understanding was (and I am loathe to state this without looking at the reference material again) is that Gal 3:27 was Paul's answer to such a prayer that he was well aware was out there.

Your post suggests that you are familiar enough with Jewish thought to think this atypical. Please share what you know! :tiphat

[Ronzo]

True enough. But I am not so sure that it was just a single prayer and not a mindset of some; the Pharisees in particular.

My understanding was (and I am loathe to state this without looking at the reference material again) is that Gal 3:27 was Paul's answer to such a prayer that he was well aware was out there.

Your post suggests that you are familiar enough with Jewish thought to think this atypical. Please share what you know! :tiphat
Newman, I can't 'prove' it but I agree with your assessment in bolded text to a degree ( I think you gave the wrong scripture reference ) .... The epistles are full of things where Paul was responding to statements and questions... as the epistles were exactly that... Letters... correspondance... two way conversations...

As for "the Pharisees", we have to remember that a small minority of that group in religious power were who Christ had a problem with. His teachings actually were more closely related to the Pharisees than any other of the sects of the Jewish religion at the time.

However, as you stated, the negative attitude toward women that we pick up was most definitely due to the influence of Roman and Greek ideas in the Jewish society. It was cultural influence...

[ManOfWord]

The "Hellenized" Jews were those Jews who allowed Greek philosophy etc. to affect them to the degree that it affected their Jewishness. Kind of like allowing the world into the church.

[Ronzo]

The "Hellenized" Jews were those Jews who allowed Greek philosophy etc. to affect them to the degree that it affected their Jewishness. Kind of like allowing the world into the church.

The Saducees were the most Hellenistic of all the sects, overall. They ran the Temple, and the High Priest was usually (nearly always) a Saducee during that time.

[Pressing-On]

The Saducees were the most Hellenistic of all the sects, overall. They ran the Temple, and the High Priest was usually (nearly always) a Saducee during that time.

This is true.