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FRINGE_NUTTER
11-03-2008, 07:53 PM
What is SE doing with all the meaningless threads?

Hey, can you guys make them meaningful?

Are his threads spamming, flaming, trolling or just being nuts?

Just kidding with you.

smurfette
11-03-2008, 07:55 PM
What is SE doing with all the meaningless threads?

Hey, can you guys make them interesting.

Is this spamming, flaming, trolling or just being nuts?

Just kidding with you.

I think he went to the CVS and bought several 1/2 price bags of halloween candy and ate the whole bag. He's on a sugar high!:ursofunny

FRINGE_NUTTER
11-03-2008, 07:57 PM
Maybe that is it. Maybe it is the fact that he is eating the last of the Halloween candy. J/K :whistle

rgcraig
11-03-2008, 07:59 PM
Hopefully, he's stopped spamming.

HeavenlyOne
11-03-2008, 08:01 PM
He sure is cracking me up!

staysharp
11-03-2008, 08:01 PM
It's an attention devil...

rgcraig
11-03-2008, 08:02 PM
Just Preachers must be really boring if he's here spamming.

HeavenlyOne
11-03-2008, 08:02 PM
Hopefully, he's stopped spamming.

You didn't give him an infraction, did you???????

rgcraig
11-03-2008, 08:03 PM
You didn't give him an infraction, did you???????

Not yet.

HeavenlyOne
11-03-2008, 08:04 PM
Not yet.

I'll take his infraction. :D

Cindy
11-03-2008, 08:06 PM
Go Elder, Go Elder. Love you Elder Epley.

rgcraig
11-03-2008, 08:06 PM
Maybe if he's bored he could go to the prayer request list and pray for everyone there!

MawMaw
11-03-2008, 08:11 PM
I'll take his infraction. :D

that is precious......what good friends you must be to offer to take his infarction! :friend

rgcraig
11-03-2008, 08:13 PM
Merged one thread and deleted 8 - - hopefully, he's done for the night.

Others have been banned for doing this in the past.

Cindy
11-03-2008, 08:13 PM
He probably misses you know who. Maybe Mark could help him out.........:D

freeatlast
11-03-2008, 08:17 PM
Has Steve Epley gone crazy thread !!

It was bound to happen.. It was such a short drive for him.

OneAccord
11-03-2008, 08:34 PM
No, he's not gone crazy. Been there for a while. Kidding! Love ya brother Epley, sir!

Could be righteous anger that his thread got booted to the debate room and my "All Apostolics WILL be lost" remains intact. So far!

StMark
11-03-2008, 08:57 PM
Have you all noticed that Bro Epley hardly post on AFF anymore???

The real truth is, he was very bothered by an admin's decision

and their treatment towards certain persons.



I'm sworn to secrecy about the rest of it so that's all you're

going to get out of me. I wouldn't want to hur Bro Epley's confidence

in me.

He will have to reveal the rest himself.

Sam
11-03-2008, 10:11 PM
I like Eld. Epley's posts.
He has strong beliefs and convictions and posts them.

He also has unique ways of saying things.

In the past there has been at least one thread of Epleyisms or Epley quotes.

MissBrattified
11-04-2008, 06:07 AM
Okay, what'd I miss? :coffee2

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 06:11 AM
Have you all noticed that Bro Epley hardly post on AFF anymore???

The real truth is, he was very bothered by an admin's decision

and their treatment towards certain persons.



I'm sworn to secrecy about the rest of it so that's all you're

going to get out of me. I wouldn't want to hur Bro Epley's confidence

in me.

He will have to reveal the rest himself. Apparently you weren't here last night!

He started nine threads!

Of course, the only thing in each thread was this - :tease

We think he ate all the leftover Halloween candy in one sitting.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 07:04 AM
Well since evidently Apostolic doctrine is not to be discussed here. I thought I would start some threads, since most threads here now are either gossip-non religious- has a underlying sexual overtone? None of which I am the least interested. The first forum I was ever on was FCF it was popping-exciting-interesting-challenging. Now this???????????????????????? Please I am not wanting to offend but evidently the change is by design. Why call it Apostolic if honestly Apostolic issues are not welcome to be discussed unless it is something negative about the Apostolic ministry or church?

Subdued
11-04-2008, 07:12 AM
Well since evidently Apostolic doctrine is not to be discussed here. I thought I would start some threads, since most threads here now are either gossip-non religious- has a underlying sexual overtone? None of which I am the least interested. The first forum I was ever on was FCF it was popping-exciting-interesting-challenging. Now this???????????????????????? Please I am not wanting to offend but evidently the change is by design. Why call it Apostolic if honestly Apostolic issues are not welcome to be discussed unless it is something negative about the Apostolic ministry or church?

What, specifically, are you wanting to discuss that is not welcome to be discussed?

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 07:12 AM
Brother Epley,

Who has said Apostolic issues are not welcome here?

Just so others understand the threads you started last night weren't deleted because they were Apostolic. They were about knitting, men in black, dog grooming and various other funny things.

Get busy with some real subjects you want to see discussed!

StMark
11-04-2008, 07:12 AM
Now what did I tell you all ??????????????????????






.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 07:13 AM
Now what did I tell you all ??????????????????????






.

Well, if YOU are the one that told him Apostolic issues aren't welcome here, then you are in deep trouble now!

StMark
11-04-2008, 07:18 AM
Well, if YOU are the one that told him Apostolic issues aren't welcome here, then you are in deep trouble now!


NO, I never told him that

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 07:20 AM
NO, I never told him that

Good!

Bro. E if you'll visit other areas you might see discussions more to your liking.

The Debate Room - the Sunday School area - Deep Waters

The Fellowship Hall is more light hearted and not deep theological discussion.

MissBrattified
11-04-2008, 07:25 AM
Well since evidently Apostolic doctrine is not to be discussed here. I thought I would start some threads, since most threads here now are either gossip-non religious- has a underlying sexual overtone? None of which I am the least interested. The first forum I was ever on was FCF it was popping-exciting-interesting-challenging. Now this???????????????????????? Please I am not wanting to offend but evidently the change is by design. Why call it Apostolic if honestly Apostolic issues are not welcome to be discussed unless it is something negative about the Apostolic ministry or church?

Try the "Deep Waters" sub-forum.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4

By the way, the thread with the "underlying sexual overtone" was started by a conservative, and rescued by the ladies and turned into a shoes/shopping/romance thread, and thank goodness for small favors. :)

It isn't so much that Apostolic issues and viewpoints are not welcome here--because they obviously are. It's just that most of the conservative Apostolics have gone to a different forum. So then it's unfair to complain about the lack of conservative viewpoints when there's only a handful of conservatives left on the forum. (Or else they're just lurking and aren't posting.)

People are only going to express who they are. If you want conservative or UC viewpoints on this forum, then gather up some friends and convince them to come over (or come back). Otherwise, there's nothing that can be done.

I do think it's a shame that anyone would feel pressured to not post here by their fellow ministers.

I DO understand the discomfort with expressing conservative views, because it does seem that the most active members don't agree with said views, so it can be somewhat discouraging to post a belief only to have 9 out of 10 people disagree with what you've said. But that's the nature of the forum. It's not a matter of not being able to "handle" disagreement. It just gets tiresome after awhile. On the other hand, other forums where everyone agrees with everyone else are just plain BORING.

There needs to be a balance between the two. FCF had it. I will agree that this forum isn't as balanced as it should be. (As far as presenting all viewpoints in fairly equal numbers.)

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 07:32 AM
Good!

Bro. E if you'll visit other areas you might see discussions more to your liking.

The Debate Room - the Sunday School area - Deep Waters

The Fellowship Hall is more light hearted and not deep theological discussion.

You are a kind person and always have been so I am not personally attacking you. If you think I am unfair characterizing the forum just go and look at the last 5 pages and look at the topics my topics I posted in jest were more in line than Apostolic subjects. Top me y'all want to stick Apostolic doctrinal subjects in another area other than the generall discussion because you want them to die because folks do not go over there. That is your right but that is why this forum is becoming more a chat room type forum than an Apostolic forum. Some discussions I have casually looked at even make me feel somewhat uncomfortable the undertone is off. Even the libs which have something to say hardly posts but y'all are so busy with your 'knitting' type threads you don't even notice. I am not saying this to get banned nor to insult y'all but you are going to kill your own forum with boredom. Sorry but that is how I feel. I know many ex-posters who may rarely lurk but never post anymore.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 07:37 AM
Try the "Deep Waters" sub-forum.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4

By the way, the thread with the "underlying sexual overtone" was started by a conservative, and rescued by the ladies and turned into a shoes/shopping/romance thread, and thank goodness for small favors. :)

It isn't so much that Apostolic issues and viewpoints are not welcome here--because they obviously are. It's just that most of the conservative Apostolics have gone to a different forum. So then it's unfair to complain about the lack of conservative viewpoints when there's only a handful of conservatives left on the forum. (Or else they're just lurking and aren't posting.)

People are only going to express who they are. If you want conservative or UC viewpoints on this forum, then gather up some friends and convince them to come over (or come back). Otherwise, there's nothing that can be done.

I do think it's a shame that anyone would feel pressured to not post here by their fellow ministers.

I DO understand the discomfort with expressing conservative views, because it does seem that the most active members don't agree with said views, so it can be somewhat discouraging to post a belief only to have 9 out of 10 people disagree with what you've said. But that's the nature of the forum. It's not a matter of not being able to "handle" disagreement. It just gets tiresome after awhile. On the other hand, other forums where everyone agrees with everyone else are just plain BORING.

There needs to be a balance between the two. FCF had it. I will agree that this forum isn't as balanced as it should be. (As far as presenting all viewpoints in fairly equal numbers.)

I am NOT intimidated one against the rest however YOU guys stick it where no one reads it doesn't take a genius to figure out you really don't want it discussed. YOU read the 5 pages and tell me. There MIGHT be 5 or 6 threads that has anything to with Apostolic doctrine or practice and some of them are negative.

MissBrattified
11-04-2008, 07:41 AM
I am NOT intimidated one against the rest however YOU guys stick it where no one reads it doesn't take a genius to figure out you really don't want it discussed. YOU read the 5 pages and tell me. There MIGHT be 5 or 6 threads that has anything to with Apostolic doctrine or practice and some of them are negative.

Well, I'm not an ADMIN, so it wasn't technically me who "stuck it" where no one reads it. :D

And I know you're not intimidated, but there HAVE been some men who have been pressured into not posting here, and that is a fact.

I think I probably see more of a variety than you do, because my bookmark is on "New Posts" which brings up the new posts/threads in ALL forums, rather than just in the fellowship hall.

I'm not really disagreeing with you about the lack of conservative Apostolic content, though. I just don't know how it can be any different if conservatives choose not to post here????? Some left and stayed away when the FCF became the NFCF. Then there were few who left when the AFF replaced the NFCF. It seems to me, though, that the biggest exodus of conservative posters coincided with the launching of the WPF.

Is that coincidence?

Theresa
11-04-2008, 07:41 AM
Try the "Deep Waters" sub-forum.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4

By the way, the thread with the "underlying sexual overtone" was started by a conservative, and rescued by the ladies and turned into a shoes/shopping/romance thread, and thank goodness for small favors. :)

It isn't so much that Apostolic issues and viewpoints are not welcome here--because they obviously are. It's just that most of the conservative Apostolics have gone to a different forum. So then it's unfair to complain about the lack of conservative viewpoints when there's only a handful of conservatives left on the forum. (Or else they're just lurking and aren't posting.)

People are only going to express who they are. If you want conservative or UC viewpoints on this forum, then gather up some friends and convince them to come over (or come back). Otherwise, there's nothing that can be done.

I do think it's a shame that anyone would feel pressured to not post here by their fellow ministers.

I DO understand the discomfort with expressing conservative views, because it does seem that the most active members don't agree with said views, so it can be somewhat discouraging to post a belief only to have 9 out of 10 people disagree with what you've said. But that's the nature of the forum. It's not a matter of not being able to "handle" disagreement. It just gets tiresome after awhile. On the other hand, other forums where everyone agrees with everyone else are just plain BORING.

There needs to be a balance between the two. FCF had it. I will agree that this forum isn't as balanced as it should be. (As far as presenting all viewpoints in fairly equal numbers.)[QUOTE]

I agree that it isnt balanced but it's not the fault of the forum at large....it's the conservative posters who LEFT and tipped the scales...

you made some great points MsB...I just wish others would come back and let their voices be heard instead of hiding out with the "yes" men.


What's wrong with a little disagreement?

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 07:47 AM
I am NOT intimidated one against the rest however YOU guys stick it where no one reads it doesn't take a genius to figure out you really don't want it discussed. YOU read the 5 pages and tell me. There MIGHT be 5 or 6 threads that has anything to with Apostolic doctrine or practice and some of them are negative.

Bro. E,

It's all in how you look at it. We organized the forum.

Before, the complaint was that a great discussion thread was stuck in the middle of the fluff threads, so we separated them to keep all the discussions from getting "lost" in the fluff.

Now, you present that as the problem. As a pastor, you know that you can't please everyone, but I do wish you'd stop and look at this a little more objectively.

I agree with Miss Bratt there is some balance missing here, but not by design.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 07:51 AM
I do NOT know of any pressure on any men not to post here. For a season there was a couple of posters who attacked everything the Apostolic church has stood for and got a free reign to do so. If we handed it back to them WE were scolded and threatened. So this forum became less Apostolic friendly. Some of us have continued those posters who caused the issue are gone or rarely posts. YET there is a tone where Apostolic issues are not really wanted so stick them where they die. So now NEITHER libs nor cons are active which have been active since FCF because y'all have chosen to make this a knitting and cookie making forum. That is fine y'all are the boss but it is dying and it's death will be at your own hands. Again I am not trying to offend I like the folks who post on here. This is the Straight talk express.

crakjak
11-04-2008, 07:53 AM
You are a kind person and always have been so I am not personally attacking you. If you think I am unfair characterizing the forum just go and look at the last 5 pages and look at the topics my topics I posted in jest were more in line than Apostolic subjects. Top me y'all want to stick Apostolic doctrinal subjects in another area other than the generall discussion because you want them to die because folks do not go over there. That is your right but that is why this forum is becoming more a chat room type forum than an Apostolic forum. Some discussions I have casually looked at even make me feel somewhat uncomfortable the undertone is off. Even the libs which have something to say hardly posts but y'all are so busy with your 'knitting' type threads you don't even notice. I am not saying this to get banned nor to insult y'all but you are going to kill your own forum with boredom. Sorry but that is how I feel. I know many ex-posters who may rarely lurk but never post anymore.

I understand what you are saying, Steve, but even the discussion about "Apostolic doctrines, can and have become very boring. I mean how many times do we need to argue those points. As you know I believe that God will redeem all of his creation, but at some point it has been thoroughly argued. I will only bring it up now as I see a new point that hasn't been discussed before, or maybe a sound bye to smack some newbie that comes in breathing hellfire and brimstone. However, as you I don't post every often, though I check the subjects most every day.

Are you still traveling and preaching or have you found a church that needed straightening out and settled down a spell?

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 07:53 AM
Bro. E,

It's all in how you look at it. We organized the forum.

Before, the complaint was that a great discussion thread was stuck in the middle of the fluff threads, so we separated them to keep all the discussions from getting "lost" in the fluff.

Now, you present that as the problem. As a pastor, you know that you can't please everyone, but I do wish you'd stop and look at this a little more objectively.

I agree with Miss Bratt there is some balance missing here, but not by design.

Every topic that winds up anywhere but the general discussion DIES that is not balance it is a funeral.:whistle Again you are a kind person. But look at the last 5 pages and you tell me what would make someone busy come here and post?

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 07:57 AM
I understand what you are saying, Steve, but even the discussion about "Apostolic doctrines, can and have become very boring. I mean how many times do we need to argue those points. As you know I believe that God will redeem all of his creation, but at some point it has been thoroughly argued. I will only bring it up now as I see a new point that hasn't been discussed before, or maybe a sound bye to smack some newbie that comes in breathing hellfire and brimstone. However, as you I don't post every often, though I check the subjects most every day.

Are you still traveling and preaching or have you found a church that needed straightening our and settled down a spell?

Case in point here is a person that we agree on nothing yet he was a regular poster always was wrong :tease but post now by his won words does not post much. Can you folks see?
Nope still traveling and loving it.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 07:57 AM
Every topic that winds up anywhere but the general discussion DIES that is not balance it is a funeral.:whistle Again you are a kind person. But look at the last 5 pages and you tell me what would make someone busy come here and post?

If you look at New Posts - you won't be seeing what you are.

Click on New Posts and see.

StMark
11-04-2008, 07:59 AM
Renda,

Here's the deal. Conservatives believe there was some type of plan or conspiracy to drive the cons out.

Now, I know you didn't do that, but they do believe this was done so by design.


I think there are just not enough preachers/ conservatives here anymore to create the atmosphere that Epley misses.

However, I don't think they were purposely driven out.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:01 AM
Newman-Adino-Reformed Dave ain't cons where are they? They enjoyed Bible discussions.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 08:01 AM
There was also a belief that there was a conspiracy to drive out anyone that didn't agree with a few of the previous owners.

There have been several incorrect conspiracies.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 08:03 AM
Bro. Epley,

I will say that there are some that have left because they felt they HAD to because speaking engagements were being canceled.

So, yes, there has been some pressure put on some to not be a part of AFF.

crakjak
11-04-2008, 08:04 AM
Case in point here is a person that we agree on nothing yet he was a regular poster always was wrong :tease but post now by his won words does not post much. Can you folks see?
Nope still traveling and loving it.

Oh, the scent of battles past!! LOL

I'm glad it is working out for you, may you prosper and be in health.

StMark
11-04-2008, 08:04 AM
There was also a belief that there was a conspiracy to drive out anyone that didn't agree with a few of the previous owners.

There have been several incorrect conspiracies.


I love the conspiracy theories :ursofunny

StMark
11-04-2008, 08:05 AM
Bro. Epley,

I will say that there are some that have left because they felt they HAD to because speaking engagements were being canceled.

So, yes, there has been some pressure put on some to not be a part of AFF.



That's true

meBNme
11-04-2008, 08:12 AM
It's just that most of the conservative Apostolics have gone to a different forum. So then it's unfair to complain about the lack of conservative viewpoints when there's only a handful of conservatives left on the forum. )

What forum is that? Where can I find it?
I assume this "FCF" is no longer available?

freeatlast
11-04-2008, 08:13 AM
when you can't win your arguments with scripture then off you go, it's not an apostolic site anymore.

After you have, as crajak allready stated, debated ad nauseum ( see the no room for one steppers thread) it gets kind of old going around with the same ones time and time again.

Take the facial hair debate for example, how many times can we come to the same conclusion, that there is NO scripture to even remotely back up a total ban on men and facial hair.

But some with out a thread of evidence will continue to not allow someone to be a part of the church they pastor.


There seems to be "nothing new under the sun" sometimes.

freeatlast
11-04-2008, 08:15 AM
What forum is that? Where can I find it?
I assume this "FCF" is no longer available?

FCF was the predecessor of NEW FCF and then AFF. niether are any longer available

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 08:16 AM
What forum is that? Where can I find it?
I assume this "FCF" is no longer available?

Correct - - FCF was started by Jim Yohe. It was closed.

Then NFCF was started by Vicki Yohe. It was closed.

Then AFF was started. Some want it closed.

freeatlast
11-04-2008, 08:18 AM
Correct - - FCF was started by Jim Yohe. It was closed.

Then NFCF was started by Vicki Yohe. It was closed.

Then AFF was started. Some want it closed.

and of course there is justpreachers JP that sprang from this forum

and it is closed

StMark
11-04-2008, 08:18 AM
Correct - - FCF was started by Jim Yohe. It was closed.

Then NFCF was started by Vicki Yohe. It was closed.

Then AFF was started. Some want it closed.


who wants it closed? who said that?

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:19 AM
What forum is that? Where can I find it?
I assume this "FCF" is no longer available?

Sadly it no longer exists.

I was turned on to FCF when wife had just been involved in a near fatal accident Old Paths told me about it. I was nearly home bound it saved my sanity what little I had. We developed friendships even with some posters who are still here. The only reason I ever visit is because of friendships I forged then. But since the changes it continues to slide into 'boring' many on both sides libs and cons no longer posts. This is the first I heard about anyone being threatened because they post here?

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:21 AM
when you can't win your arguments with scripture then off you go, it's not an apostolic site anymore.

After you have, as crajak allready stated, debated ad nauseum ( see the no room for one steppers thread) it gets kind of old going around with the same ones time and time again.

Take the facial hair debate for example, how many times can we come to the same conclusion, that there is NO scripture to even remotely back up a total ban on men and facial hair.

But some with out a thread of evidence will continue to not allow someone to be a part of the church they pastor.


There seems to be "nothing new under the sun" sometimes.

True to an extent but YOU posted on those threads are you posting on the knitting type threads?

StMark
11-04-2008, 08:23 AM
Sadly it no longer exists.

I was turned on to FCF when wife had just been involved in a near fatal accident Old Paths told me about it. I was nearly home bound it saved my sanity what little I had. We developed friendships even with some posters who are still here. The only reason I ever visit is because of friendships I forged then. But since the changes it continues to slide into 'boring' many on both sides libs and cons no longer posts. This is the first I heard about anyone being threatened because they post here?



What friendships are those? give me names


the doctrinal topics are in a section called "Deep Waters".
I think Renda moved them there so they wouldn't get buried in
all the small talk threads

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:23 AM
Correct - - FCF was started by Jim Yohe. It was closed.

Then NFCF was started by Vicki Yohe. It was closed.

Then AFF was started. Some want it closed.

I for one have no desire for it to close it seems closed to me right now:tease it needs opening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:aaa

The excitement was lost when the format was changed. My opinion.

crakjak
11-04-2008, 08:23 AM
when you can't win your arguments with scripture then off you go, it's not an apostolic site anymore.

After you have, as crajak allready stated, debated ad nauseum ( see the no room for one steppers thread) it gets kind of old going around with the same ones time and time again.

Take the facial hair debate for example, how many times can we come to the same conclusion, that there is NO scripture to even remotely back up a total ban on men and facial hair.

But some with out a thread of evidence will continue to not allow someone to be a part of the church they pastor.


There seems to be "nothing new under the sun" sometimes.

OP were born in adversity and many cannot endure an atmosphere of peace. I go to a church that I don't agree with everything yet I love the people, the community is what makes it meaningful. We should be able to fellowship and love the Body of Christ without always having to stir up debate. We need to be able to have discussion without demonizing our brothers and sisters. Folks are different, different temperaments process information differently therefore we will see things differently. God made us with this diversity, yet with the ability, in Him, to be part of the same body, "each providing what the others lack".

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:24 AM
What friendships are those? give me names


the doctrinal topics are in a section called "Deep Waters".
I think Renda moved them there so they wouldn't get buried in
all the small talk threads

The 'deep water' section was so deep no one ever went there and now the whole forum is small talk. Not trying to be mean but this is how it is.

StMark
11-04-2008, 08:26 AM
The 'deep water' section was so deep no one ever went there and now the whole forum is small talk. Not trying to be mean but this is how it is.



Renda, why don't you let those threads stay in the fellowship hall?

freeatlast
11-04-2008, 08:26 AM
True to an extent but YOU posted on those threads are you posting on the knitting type threads?

I do not post on those threads BUT I certainly am not offended that some of my APOSTOLIC friends enjoy conversing with each other with out feeling they need to be debating something all the time.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 08:26 AM
I for one have no desire for it to close it seems closed to me right now:tease it needs opening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:aaa

The excitement was lost when the format was changed. My opinion.

Brother, if you will chose New Posts each time, then the format will no longer exist for you.

You will only see the recently posted threads.

freeatlast
11-04-2008, 08:33 AM
Here's page one of new posts....looks like a bunch of apostolics to me???
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Amos
11-04-2008, 08:33 AM
you made some great points MsB...I just wish others would come back and let their voices be heard instead of hiding out with the "yes" men.


What's wrong with a little disagreement?

I don't post here too often, and it has zero to do with intimidation, or hiding out.

FCF was fun.

NFCF was fun most of the time.

But something is a little different on AFF, and I am not sure exactly how to characterize that difference. I just know it is there.

I post because I enjoy it. When it isn't fun, for whatever reason, I am going to find somewhere else to go and something else to do.

Call it whatever you like, but there it is.

Theresa
11-04-2008, 08:42 AM
I don't post here too often, and it has zero to do with intimidation, or hiding out.

FCF was fun.

NFCF was fun most of the time.

But something is a little different on AFF, and I am not sure exactly how to characterize that difference. I just know it is there.

I post because I enjoy it. When it isn't fun, for whatever reason, I am going to find somewhere else to go and something else to do.

Call it whatever you like, but there it is.

yes, its different...and the conservatives leaving only made it moreso...

the INITIAL change in atmosphere on these forums had NOTHING to do with an influx of liberal thinking...

I will NOT elaborate on the event that turned the tide but it happened and there was no stopping to the fallout afterwards.

And YES there are conservative brethern that do not post here b/c of outside influence.

but I hate to admit it them leaving didnt fix anything, it only tipped the scales worse. They are as much to blame for the perceived problems as any loud mouthed liberal. IMO

StMark
11-04-2008, 08:48 AM
I don't post here too often, and it has zero to do with intimidation, or hiding out.

FCF was fun.

NFCF was fun most of the time.

But something is a little different on AFF, and I am not sure exactly how to characterize that difference. I just know it is there.

I post because I enjoy it. When it isn't fun, for whatever reason, I am going to find somewhere else to go and something else to do.

Call it whatever you like, but there it is.



FCF was one of kind! JIm Yohe had a special talent too.
I also think that forums were a new and fresh Idea for all of us.

The balance is no longer here because most of the conservative
preachers are gone. I know for a fact that a lot of them left under
a cloud of criticism for being here. My Question is, why not just go
under a secret user name? That's something that is allowed here as opposed to the other forums.

AFF does draw a lot more liberals even socially and politically.
I'm not sure why that is but it is true

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:51 AM
yes, its different...and the conservatives leaving only made it moreso...

the INITIAL change in atmosphere on these forums had NOTHING to do with an influx of liberal thinking...

I will NOT elaborate on the event that turned the tide but it happened and there was no stopping to the fallout afterwards.

And YES there are conservative brethern that do not post here b/c of outside influence.

but I hate to admit it them leaving didnt fix anything, it only tipped the scales worse. They are as much to blame for the perceived problems as any loud mouthed liberal. IMO

It is true the constant and UGLY attacks made by a couple of posters against all the Apostolic church stands for did take a toll. But now those posters are rarely here and true some cons did not come back. They felt the couple had a free reign and the cons were threatened. But since then there has been a drift to avoid any controversial threads about doctrine and stick them where no one goes. Thus the forum is losing on both ends libs and cons.
My purpose to post the controversial thread was to try to stir up some action hopefully to get some excitement going. Knitting type threads really don't interest most. Even Tim he comes back swinging when a controversial thread is posted we no longer agree but it is fun fussing with him.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 08:51 AM
FCF was one of kind! JIm Yohe had a special talent too.
I also think that forums were a new and fresh Idea for all of us.

The balance is no longer here because most of the conservative
preachers are gone. I know for a fact that a lot of them left under
a cloud of criticism for being here. My Question is, why not just go
under a secret user name? That's something that is allowed here as opposed to the other forums.

AFF does draw a lot more liberals even socially and politically.
I'm not sure why that is but it is true
That's easy - - because they are allowed.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:52 AM
FCF was one of kind! JIm Yohe had a special talent too.
I also think that forums were a new and fresh Idea for all of us.

The balance is no longer here because most of the conservative
preachers are gone. I know for a fact that a lot of them left under
a cloud of criticism for being here. My Question is, why not just go
under a secret user name? That's something that is allowed here as opposed to the other forums.

AFF does draw a lot more liberals even socially and politically.
I'm not sure why that is but it is true

Mark many of the notable libs no longer do much posting. They liked fussing too.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:54 AM
That's easy - - because they are allowed.

Most of the preachers I know just chose not to post here anymore there was no pressure. I think if good discussions took place here BOTH libs and cons would be back.
Look at all the threads started about the Tulsa issue.

Bella1
11-04-2008, 08:56 AM
I think that ALL the posters that are on here are some of the best. I enjoy most all the post and Renda and Rhoni are some of my favorites posters. They keep people in line and really make even harmony on here. I LOVE MsB posting. Elder Epley is also a very likeable fellow.

PLEASE, none of you leave and don't quit posting. You all make my day a little more sane here at work! Even though you don't know me, I enjoy each of you very much!

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 09:12 AM
I think that ALL the posters that are on here are some of the best. I enjoy most all the post and Renda and Rhoni are some of my favorites posters. They keep people in line and really make even harmony on here. I LOVE MsB posting. Elder Epley is also a very likeable fellow.

PLEASE, none of you leave and don't quit posting. You all make my day a little more sane here at work! Even though you don't know me, I enjoy each of you very much!

Thank you Bella for speaking up and the compliment!

Post more!

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 09:13 AM
Most of the preachers I know just chose not to post here anymore there was no pressure. I think if good discussions took place here BOTH libs and cons would be back.
Look at all the threads started about the Tulsa issue.

Good or bad?

There was a lot of heat for allowing those threads.

Amos
11-04-2008, 09:18 AM
Nobody pressured me...I don't respond all that well to that kind of thing anyway.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 09:22 AM
Nobody pressured me...I don't respond all that well to that kind of thing anyway.

LOL!

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 09:34 AM
Good or bad?

There was a lot of heat for allowing those threads.

Look at the interest they generated. And by the way I said nothing about leaving I was just posting my thoughts about the forum.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 09:36 AM
Look at the interest they generated. And by the way I said nothing about leaving I was just posting my thoughts about the forum.

Yes, they created a lot of interest, but we were highly critized for allowing them.

I do hope that you will always be a part of AFF! :friend

timlan2057
11-04-2008, 09:38 AM
Oh well, as the song says; if he keeps on going crazy, he'll get there by and by.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 09:44 AM
Oh well, as the song says; if he keeps on going crazy, he'll get there by and by.

SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Proof is in the pudding.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 09:46 AM
Tim,

Please stay and fuss with Bro. E so he'll feel loved!

ManOfWord
11-04-2008, 09:58 AM
One of the reasons some have left and can't stand it anymore is due to the fact that there is FREEDOM here. Freedom to be anonymous. Freedom to discuss issues which you would be crucified for other places. Freedom to criticize an establishment. Freedom to disagree. Freedom to not be squeezed into a particular mold. Some folks just CANNOT handle freedom and feel the need to be controlled or be in a place that is controlling. AFF is not that place.

Freedom always has boundaries, but our boundaries here are fairly wide and acceptance is broad as well. :D

Dimples
11-04-2008, 10:07 AM
I read more than I post.

My thought is some only want to argue if they always win.

Whole Hearted
11-04-2008, 10:13 AM
Well since evidently Apostolic doctrine is not to be discussed here. I thought I would start some threads, since most threads here now are either gossip-non religious- has a underlying sexual overtone? None of which I am the least interested. The first forum I was ever on was FCF it was popping-exciting-interesting-challenging. Now this???????????????????????? Please I am not wanting to offend but evidently the change is by design. Why call it Apostolic if honestly Apostolic issues are not welcome to be discussed unless it is something negative about the Apostolic ministry or church?
You are right elder, I see the same thing.

Amos
11-04-2008, 10:46 AM
One of the reasons some have left and can't stand it anymore is due to the fact that there is FREEDOM here. Freedom to be anonymous. Freedom to discuss issues which you would be crucified for other places. Freedom to criticize an establishment. Freedom to disagree. Freedom to not be squeezed into a particular mold. Some folks just CANNOT handle freedom and feel the need to be controlled or be in a place that is controlling. AFF is not that place.

Freedom always has boundaries, but our boundaries here are fairly wide and acceptance is broad as well. :D


That is not the case with anybody I know.

A_PoMo
11-04-2008, 11:21 AM
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You are right elder, I see the same thing.

Seriuosly? You guys need to take off your blinders and actually read with an open mind. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean it's 'negative'. Obviously, if you guys argue your point then it can't be entirely 'negative' can it? Please, it's just more of the whiney, ultra con waa waa waa sad sack song that makes ad honinem attacks instead of substantive discussion when people disagree.

Ron
11-04-2008, 11:28 AM
One of the reasons some have left and can't stand it anymore is due to the fact that there is FREEDOM here. Freedom to be anonymous. Freedom to discuss issues which you would be crucified for other places. Freedom to criticize an establishment. Freedom to disagree. Freedom to not be squeezed into a particular mold. Some folks just CANNOT handle freedom and feel the need to be controlled or be in a place that is controlling. AFF is not that place.

Freedom always has boundaries, but our boundaries here are fairly wide and acceptance is broad as well. :D

I don't think people hate freedom, I think it is the definition of freedom that is the issue.
Freedom is a very fine line & everyone has differing views on how thin that line should be, don't you think MOW!:whistle

Cindy
11-04-2008, 11:31 AM
Seriuosly? You guys need to take off your blinders and actually read with an open mind. Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean it's 'negative'. Obviously, if you guys argue your point then it can't be entirely 'negative' can it? Please, it's just more of the whiney, ultra con waa waa waa sad sack song that makes ad honinem attacks instead of substantive discussion when people disagree.

Whut? :whistle

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 12:02 PM
That is not the case with anybody I know.

Nor I.

Amos
11-04-2008, 12:44 PM
One of the reasons some have left and can't stand it anymore is due to the fact that there is FREEDOM here. Freedom to be anonymous. Freedom to discuss issues which you would be crucified for other places. Freedom to criticize an establishment. Freedom to disagree. Freedom to not be squeezed into a particular mold. Some folks just CANNOT handle freedom and feel the need to be controlled or be in a place that is controlling. AFF is not that place.

Freedom always has boundaries, but our boundaries here are fairly wide and acceptance is broad as well. :D

The more I think about it, the more insulting this post is, a thinly veiled attempt to paint those who left as a bunch of spiritual fascists who couldn't bear the glorious liberty of the spiritual patriots here.

Ridiculous.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 01:40 PM
The more I think about it, the more insulting this post is, a thinly veiled attempt to paint those who left as a bunch of spiritual fascists who couldn't bear the glorious liberty of the spiritual patriots here.

Ridiculous.

Including the libs who used to post.

Tyk
11-04-2008, 02:11 PM
Steve Epley is wild man, beware!

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 04:42 PM
Steve Epley is wild man, beware!

TRUE.:tease:whistle:aaa:crazy:snapout:club:ursofun ny

StMark
11-04-2008, 05:16 PM
The more I think about it, the more insulting this post is, a thinly veiled attempt to paint those who left as a bunch of spiritual fascists who couldn't bear the glorious liberty of the spiritual patriots here.

Ridiculous.



ManofWord,

I'd like to hear your response to these charges

Sam
11-04-2008, 08:20 PM
Well since evidently Apostolic doctrine is not to be discussed here. I thought I would start some threads, since most threads here now are either gossip-non religious- has a underlying sexual overtone? None of which I am the least interested. The first forum I was ever on was FCF it was popping-exciting-interesting-challenging. Now this???????????????????????? Please I am not wanting to offend but evidently the change is by design. Why call it Apostolic if honestly Apostolic issues are not welcome to be discussed unless it is something negative about the Apostolic ministry or church?

OK, I posted something about Thoughts on the Election and another about Favorite or Special Bibles. I thought that they would not be controversial. But they aren't about doctrine.

Haven't we pretty well overkilled on sleeve length, facial hair, television, one and three steps, and preterism?

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 08:50 PM
OK, I posted something about Thoughts on the Election and another about Favorite or Special Bibles. I thought that they would not be controversial. But they aren't about doctrine.

Haven't we pretty well overkilled on sleeve length, facial hair, television, one and three steps, and preterism?

Those knitting threads are the thing.

rgcraig
11-04-2008, 08:57 PM
Those knitting threads are the thing.

I honestly don't think we have EVER had a knitting thread.

Now, if you mentioned a shoe thread it might be more convincing - :ursofunny

Sam
11-04-2008, 09:04 PM
I honestly don't think we have EVER had a knitting thread.
...


Maybe Eld. Epley can start a knitting thread.

Steve Epley
11-04-2008, 09:13 PM
10 pages-95 posts-1,000 views and y'all would rather have a knitting thread.:tease

crakjak
11-04-2008, 10:18 PM
OP were born in adversity and many cannot endure an atmosphere of peace. I go to a church that I don't agree with everything yet I love the people, the community is what makes it meaningful. We should be able to fellowship and love the Body of Christ without always having to stir up debate. We need to be able to have discussion without demonizing our brothers and sisters. Folks are different, different temperaments process information differently therefore we will see things differently. God made us with this diversity, yet with the ability, in Him, to be part of the same body, "each providing what the others lack".

"bump"