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revrandy
11-08-2008, 09:14 AM
Seen some of their "fund-raising"....

Misusing scripture...exploiting the elderly...the single parent and the Gospel...

Money cometh...

Obama is elected....

It is a part of the Madness that this world suffers from...

They and their minions and all who are associated with them in their pursuit of greed and ungodliness will have to answer for it...

ugly stuff....

TRFrance
11-08-2008, 09:29 AM
Seen some of their "fund-raising"....

Misusing scripture...exploiting the elderly...the single parent and the Gospel...

Money cometh...

Obama is elected....

It is a part of the Madness that this world suffers from...

They and their minions and all who are associated with them in their pursuit of greed and ungodliness will have to answer for it...

ugly stuff....
I'm not a big TBN watcher, but I've seen these guys a few times and it sickens me when they supposedly give "a word" from the Lord about how the viewers will be blessed and receive their long-awaited breakthrough if they pick up the phone now and "sow a seed" (as in "send money" ) into the TBN "ministry".

I often wonder, why do I have to send it to TBN to get my blessing? Why cant I just sow it into my local church? Wont I be just as blessed? or is that special blessing reserved for those who give to TBN?

And why do these preachers never tell people to sow the seed into their local church to get their blessing/breakthrough? Again...why cant they just sow it at their local church? :confused:

Sherri
11-08-2008, 09:43 AM
I can't watch TBN. Except I might make an exception to see Vicki sing!!

Sandra
11-08-2008, 09:57 AM
I can't watch TBN. Except I might make an exception to see Vicki sing!!

thanks! :)

ReformedDave
11-08-2008, 10:00 AM
Why is it that people turn off their minds and watch this drivel????????

TRFrance
11-08-2008, 10:10 AM
I catch the Word Network sometimes.

Bro Charles Ellis of Greater Grace Temple , who is Apostolic, is on nightly at 8 pm weekdays, and he's pretty good.

Cindy
11-08-2008, 10:17 AM
No, they do it to raise money for satellites. So they can reach the world with the gospel. But the methods they use I don't agree with.

TRFrance
11-08-2008, 10:27 AM
No, they do it to raise money for satellites. So they can reach the world with the gospel. But the methods they use I don't agree with.

If they're truly doing God's work, they shouldn't have to rely on using manipulative preachers to raise money .

(Ps 127:1) Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.

revrandy
11-08-2008, 10:47 AM
Money Cometh....

berkeley
11-08-2008, 12:07 PM
I've been watching it regularly... It's very entertaining.

berkeley
11-08-2008, 12:08 PM
Other than the laughs I get from the telathon, I enjoy watching Jentezen Franklin. I like his passion for young people. He is so sincere and genuine. Did I just say that? ehm.

Praxeas
11-08-2008, 12:12 PM
Seen some of their "fund-raising"....

Misusing scripture...exploiting the elderly...the single parent and the Gospel...

Money cometh...

Obama is elected....

It is a part of the Madness that this world suffers from...

They and their minions and all who are associated with them in their pursuit of greed and ungodliness will have to answer for it...

ugly stuff....
What made you say this all of a sudden?

Praxeas
11-08-2008, 12:13 PM
I can't watch TBN. Except I might make an exception to see Vicki sing!!
LOL me too. The only other thing I used to watch was The Way of the Master...the only "TBN" session I ever like is when it's all black and they preach and sing instead of just interview folks

Praxeas
11-08-2008, 12:14 PM
I have an issue with "Pastors" that start up a church as if they were starting a new business venture.

berkeley
11-08-2008, 12:17 PM
I have an issue with "Pastors" that start up a church as if they were starting a new business venture.

When the church reaches a certain size, it is a business venture.:dance

Praxeas
11-08-2008, 12:53 PM
When the church reaches a certain size, it is a business venture.:dance
Seems that way. I don't believe churches were ever intended to be "mega-churches".

Churches started off being house churches..keeping the numbers small, not having a large overhead and all that people did not have to donate a lot of money...their money went for other churches that were poor and hurting or helping each other.

That would mean less single Pastors getting too big headed with money and power

Sam
11-08-2008, 05:05 PM
No, they do it to raise money for satellites. So they can reach the world with the gospel. But the methods they use I don't agree with.

Is it worse than the fund raising at GC?

TRFrance
11-08-2008, 05:38 PM
Is it worse than the fund raising at GC?

I think so.

I don't believe the men at GC misuse the word to raise funds.

I do believe the men on TBN frequently do.

Cindy
11-08-2008, 06:18 PM
Is it worse than the fund raising at GC?

I haven't ever seen the GC on television, so I really can't answer that Sam. I would hope the methods are different though.

tstew
11-08-2008, 06:26 PM
I haven't ever seen the GC on television, so I really can't answer that Sam. I would hope the methods are different though.

I don't think that you can even begin to compare the two. The amount of houses and incredible luxury that the Crouches and others purchase with the money is mind-blowing.

Scott Hutchinson
11-08-2008, 06:49 PM
I don't like TBN and Daystar ain't too much better.
INSP ain't too good either.

HappyTown
11-08-2008, 07:02 PM
Seen some of their "fund-raising"....

Misusing scripture...exploiting the elderly...the single parent and the Gospel...

Money cometh...

Obama is elected....

It is a part of the Madness that this world suffers from...

They and their minions and all who are associated with them in their pursuit of greed and ungodliness will have to answer for it...

ugly stuff....

:ursofunny Sound a lot like many of the UPC events I've attended!!!


I guess Vicki is also sick as well. But God thinks others wise, God been blessing her mightily!!! And to be frank, if she was with the UPC, she have no funds for her orphanage's in UGANDA! NOTHING!!!

ManOfWord
11-08-2008, 09:01 PM
I can't watch TBN. Except I might make an exception to see Vicki sing!!

You know, that is honestly about the only time I tune in on purpose!

I really can't stand the wackiness and the arm twisting and ridiculous offering tactics. I know there are good people there, but it kind of gets hidden among all the other stuff. At least IMO. :D

Jermyn Davidson
11-08-2008, 09:02 PM
:ursofunny Sound a lot like many of the UPC events I've attended!!!


I guess Vicki is also sick as well. But God thinks others wise, God been blessing her mightily!!! And to be frank, if she was with the UPC, she have no funds for her orphanage's in UGANDA! NOTHING!!!


Good Evening Happy!!

Vickie who? What orphanage???

nahkoe
11-09-2008, 05:13 AM
Good Evening Happy!!

Vickie who? What orphanage???

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=20098

HappyTown
11-09-2008, 11:13 AM
Good Evening Happy!!

Vickie who? What orphanage???

Vicki a godly woman who's been very blessed to help the little ones in this world, orphanage. She also a gifted Gospel Singer, can be seen on TBN. Vickie was very popular within the UPC moment at one time, still is with many of us! But she moved on, some sword she was hell bound for leaving, God has said otherwise, God has proved it by blessing her calling mightily! Vickie and her husband loves these kids, you can see it! I thank God for people like her who step out and just do it!!!

Jermyn Davidson
11-09-2008, 07:28 PM
Vicki a godly woman who's been very blessed to help the little ones in this world, orphanage. She also a gifted Gospel Singer, can be seen on TBN. Vickie was very popular within the UPC moment at one time, still is with many of us! But she moved on, some sword she was hell bound for leaving, God has said otherwise, God has proved it by blessing her calling mightily! Vickie and her husband loves these kids, you can see it! I thank God for people like her who step out and just do it!!!

Miss Vickie as in,

"He said that I can come into His Presence without fear.
Into that Holy Place where His Mercy hovers near!"

Miss Vickie as in,

"Freedom for your hurt,
victory for your pain."

Miss Vickie as who's music has been used to spark many afire in praise and worship services?


Miss Vickie is Apostolic? She's on AFF??????

I honestly did not know that!!!!!!! :)


God bless you and your orphanage, if you're reading this.

Antipas
11-09-2008, 07:32 PM
Seen some of their "fund-raising"....

Misusing scripture...exploiting the elderly...the single parent and the Gospel...

Money cometh...

Obama is elected....

It is a part of the Madness that this world suffers from...

They and their minions and all who are associated with them in their pursuit of greed and ungodliness will have to answer for it...

ugly stuff....

Yep, it's sick. But I've seen the same at conferences.

Jermyn Davidson
11-09-2008, 07:34 PM
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=20098


So "Sandra" is your fake name?

WOW!
I'm actually communicating with someone really famous via the internet.

Oh my!

I really didn't know who you were, "Sandra".

I bought your last cd. It's great! Did my purchase go towards any of the good work you and your husband are doing in Jinja, Uganda?

If not, that's cool.

Before the year is out, I will donate to the Sis. Alvear, the India missionary and to your cause!

Sherri
11-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Vickie's late brother Jim was the one who started the original forum that many of us used to be on called FCF. (Faith Child Forum) Her family has a rich heritage with UPC and she still loves the people in it.

1Corinth2v4
11-09-2008, 10:06 PM
Seen some of their "fund-raising"....

Misusing scripture...exploiting the elderly...the single parent and the Gospel...

Money cometh...

Obama is elected....

It is a part of the Madness that this world suffers from...

They and their minions and all who are associated with them in their pursuit of greed and ungodliness will have to answer for it...

ugly stuff....

All those TBN'ers are going to hell anyway! They better enjoy that money while they can!

Sherri
11-09-2008, 10:08 PM
All those TBN'ers are going to hell anyway! They better enjoy that money while they can!Not EVERYONE on there is lost and headed for hell. Don't forget that our own Sandra sings on there!!! There are some honest sincere people who preach and sing on TBN, but I don't like to have to wade through the riffraff to get to the good people.

1Corinth2v4
11-09-2008, 10:16 PM
Not EVERYONE on there is lost and headed for hell. Don't forget that our own Sandra sings on there!!! There are some honest sincere people who preach and sing on TBN, but I don't like to have to wade through the riffraff to get to the good people.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

tamor
11-10-2008, 08:40 AM
I can't watch TBN. Except I might make an exception to see Vicki sing!!

That's the only time I watch - when I know she's gonna be on.

MrsMcD
11-10-2008, 09:35 AM
Other than the laughs I get from the telathon, I enjoy watching Jentezen Franklin. I like his passion for young people. He is so sincere and genuine. Did I just say that? ehm.

I use to really like Jentezen Franklin until I saw him do the same thing with money on TBN. He preached a great sermon and then at the end he starting asking folks to send money to be blessed. I lost a lot of respect for him but I can take the good with the bad.

Jack Shephard
11-10-2008, 09:37 AM
I use to really like Jentezen Franklin until I saw him do the same thing with money on TBN. He preached a great sermon and then at the end he starting asking folks to send money to be blessed. I lost a lot of respect for him but I can take the good with the bad.

Look if you were asked to come preach there you would do the samething. Jentezen I can assure you is not all about money.

revrandy
11-10-2008, 09:48 AM
How often is Sandra on???

I don't think (but I don't know) if she's been on there of late??

I thought she had some sort of issue with Jan having a issue with her or something???

I thought it was posted here awhile back...

Elizabeth
11-10-2008, 10:21 AM
Not EVERYONE on there is lost and headed for hell. Don't forget that our own Sandra sings on there!!! There are some honest sincere people who preach and sing on TBN, but I don't like to have to wade through the riffraff to get to the good people.

Amen! Vonnie Lopez has been on TBN with Kurt Carr-she is also among one of the most sincere and true blue Christians that has been on there.

Jack Shephard
11-10-2008, 10:29 AM
St. Mark/Thad has been on there before. Albeit in the crowd, but nevertheless he was on TBN, I saw him.

Glenda B
11-10-2008, 10:38 AM
I watched when I was trinitarian, but in my opinion, Apostolics who know better are without excuse. Especially those who participate.

I watch poor little pink haired Jan weep tears and talk about her mental breakdown back in the day. Considering the way she acts last time I watched, she's still a little on the flakey side.

Of course they're smart enough to know how to con people out of their money...Sad.

TRFrance
11-10-2008, 11:05 AM
I use to really like Jentezen Franklin until I saw him do the same thing with money on TBN. He preached a great sermon and then at the end he starting asking folks to send money to be blessed. I lost a lot of respect for him but I can take the good with the bad.

Look if you were asked to come preach there you would do the samething. Jentezen I can assure you is not all about money.

You should probably just speak for yourself, JT.

Maybe YOU would do the same thing.
But don't assume that everyone else would.

Jack Shephard
11-10-2008, 11:08 AM
TR, I was not meaning to speak for her. My point was if you anyone is going on TBN they probably wouldn't have trouble doing the money thing.

You like to try and pick on me don't you? Seems that I strike a cord with you or something.

TRFrance
11-10-2008, 11:15 AM
TR, I was not meaning to speak for her. My point was if you anyone is going on TBN they probably wouldn't have trouble doing the money thing.

You like to try and pick on me don't you? Seems that I strike a cord with you or something.
Oh, stop it. Nobody's picking on you.:snapout

I'm responding to what you said. You said if she was asked to preach there she would do the same thing. Those were your words.

If you didn't mean it the way it sounded then maybe you should word it differently.

Jack Shephard
11-10-2008, 11:38 AM
I am not offended I was kidding. I like to barb you and get you going. Sure the feeling is mutual.

berkeley
11-10-2008, 12:02 PM
Amen! Vonnie Lopez has been on TBN with Kurt Carr-she is also among one of the most sincere and true blue Christians that has been on there.

Are you saying that VL is a Democrat?

berkeley
11-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Hey, if I was on TBN I would ask for money, then I'd go out and import the most expensive BMW I could afford with the love offering. And I would lay my head on my pillow at night with a smirk on my face, thanking the idiots who thought they were getting the blessing. I was the real winner. Money cometh!!

Jack Shephard
11-10-2008, 12:08 PM
I don't honestly think that all the people on there are out for money. Some are though. I think it is very immature to paint with a broad brush. No one on here accept Sandra will know a persons acutal motives for being on there. Trying to assume otherwise is foolish. I am not a TBN homer either. There is not a lot I like on there. But can't say they are all the same.

Neck
11-10-2008, 12:10 PM
What makes me sick is just how off track Steve Munsey is with his rants for Money.

They should just open up TBN as BET did a few years back and advertise products on the network.

They are so afraid of regulations hitting them.

As for TBN a bit of regulation might serve them well.

How many more blessing numbers can they find in scripture?

One main reason the world is falling more into greed and bankruptcy is the church is preaching prosperity as evidence of Christ in one's life.

So many of the Christians in these prosperity churches are in manjor debt.

Trying to show to the world Christ is on their side.

You simply can't take the evidence of Steve Munsey saying he can't outgive God.

When he has 10,000 people downloading money to him.

To me these folks are using 21st Century Jim Jones theology.

I am very upset with the Christian movement in the United States....

Elizabeth
11-10-2008, 12:10 PM
Are you saying that VL is a Democrat?

IDK???

I guess it makes me look OLD and archaic to use an outdated term like "true blue"! It just seemed to fit-:D

Elizabeth
11-10-2008, 12:21 PM
What makes me sick is just how off track Steve Munsey is with his rants for Money.

They should just open up TBN as BET did a few years back and advertise products on the network.

They are so afraid of regulations hitting them.

As for TBN a bit of regulation might serve them well.

How many more blessing numbers can they find in scripture?

One main reason the world is falling more into greed and bankruptcy is the church is preaching prosperity as evidence of Christ in one's life.

So many of the Christians in these prosperity churches are in manjor debt.

Trying to show to the world Christ is on their side.

You simply can't take the evidence of Steve Munsey saying he can't outgive God.

When he has 10,000 people downloading money to him.

To me these folks are using 21st Century Jim Jones theology.

I am very upset with the Christian movement in the United States....

You now I would really be curious to find out what the real story is.

I heard Paul Crouch say their monthly satellite bills were like millions-which may explain the need to continually be asking for money.

But on the other hand I have also heard they have more than enough money and do not need to be asking for money as much as they do.

I wonder what the truth is?

Neck
11-10-2008, 12:23 PM
If I were ever given a moment on TBN.

I would simply preach.

I do not care about your doctrines nor your spin on the Gospel.

I only want to preach and know, "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified".

There is nothing wrong nor will it ever be wrong for folks to be rich.

It is however wrong to see a gospel that has as it's theme, "Come unto me all ye that are heavy laden and I will make you rich"!

They need to preach the good news of Jesus Christ and the redemption of their souls.

Christ did not die for my Prosperity as I heard Steve Munsey make the claim on TBN.

Before the foundations of the world were laid, Christ died for our sins.

God did not place man in the Garden to fail in some cruel experiement in his spin of Eternity.

He placed man in the garden with Eternal DNA.

If man were to fail, The God of all knew one thing....He would not fail man.

When did the alter call for one's salvation change from Repentance to putting a mandate on God.

Now that you saved my sorry soul, make me rich.

Make me rich by "works".

By what works, "The giving of Money".

But for my salvation I will not do a thing, I am not saved by works but by faith.

If I were on the outside and looking in as someone who has never been to a church.

I would not look twice at the cheep example of greed, arrogance and pride that is on TBN.

revrandy
11-10-2008, 01:15 PM
You now I would really be curious to find out what the real story is.

I heard Paul Crouch say their monthly satellite bills were like millions-which may explain the need to continually be asking for money.

But on the other hand I have also heard they have more than enough money and do not need to be asking for money as much as they do.

I wonder what the truth is?

Jeanie,

I fear this is what folks will be saying on Judgement day....

TRFrance
11-10-2008, 02:27 PM
I am not offended I was kidding. I like to barb you and get you going. Sure the feeling is mutual.
Well honestly, with you it's kinda hard to tell sometimes, JT.

Maybe you should use smileys more often when you're kidding. That might help. KnowwhutImean? :cool:

Jack Shephard
11-10-2008, 02:38 PM
Well honestly, with you it's kinda hard to tell sometimes, JT.

Maybe you should use smileys more often when you're kidding. That might help. KnowwhutImean? :cool:


:friend

berkeley
11-10-2008, 03:16 PM
I've heard Paul say that they don't need your money, that money comes in by miraculous means.. whatever that means. LoL.
He said that the asking of money is for YOU to be blessed..

TRFrance
11-10-2008, 03:43 PM
I've heard Paul say that they don't need your money, that money comes in by miraculous means.. whatever that means. LoL.
He said that the asking of money is for YOU to be blessed..

He asks for my money so I can be blessed?

Why doesn't he ask me to donate the money as a special offering to my local church so I can get that blessing ?

berkeley
11-10-2008, 03:45 PM
He asks for my money so I can be blessed?

Why doesn't he ask me to donate the money as a special offering to my local church so I can get that blessing ?

Their thing is, the seed (money) has to be sewn into fertile ground (TBN). :tease

I guess if your money goes to pay the utilities at the church, it isn't fertile. :ursofunny