It Is My Sincere Hope & Prayer That All Trinitarians Be Saved.

[Digging4Truth]

For new times sake....

God saves sinners.
God saves harlots
God saves trinitarians
God saves OP's

[Scott Hutchinson]

No one wants anybody to be lost.May all people find redemption so they won't have to face eternal punishment.

[Steve Epley]

I hpe atheists and Muslims and Hindus are saved BUT they won't be unless they obey the ONLY saving message.

[Allan]

For new times sake....

God saves [/former] sinners.
God saves [/former] harlots
God saves [/former] trinitarians
God saves [/former] OP's:haloplug

[Digging4Truth]

:haloplug

So they must quit before he saves them?

They must become a former sinner before he will save them?
They must become a former harlots before he will save them?
They must become a former trinitarians before he will save them?
They must become a former oneness pentecostals before he will save them?

[CC1]

Since trinitarians ARE monotheist and not polytheist as many Oneness folks try to paint them, then why would a person's trinitarian view of the Godhead keep them from being saved?

Does the Bible say that one must have a full understanding of the Godhead to make heaven? (if so then we are all in big trouble)

[Allan]

So they must quit before he saves them?

They must become a former sinner before he will save them?
They must become a former harlots before he will save them?
They must become a former trinitarians before he will save them?
They must become a former oneness pentecostals before he will save them?
'Former' as in "having once, or previously, been." Since "saves" is present tense, technically those he saves were, but are no more, sinners. etcetera.

To paraphrase: 'Jesus saves those who were [X].'

By your mention, it literally reads Jesus saves those who are in that current condition, and remain there.
(Though, I'm tired, and am uncertain how precise the thinker is tonight. Hehe, haha, oh my >_<.)


. . . About the last one (OP's): my bad. Though, rather than saying "former," another adjustment could be mentioned to bring about the same point as above. Seeing those in the book of Acts were added after they were repented, baptized in Jesus' name, and received the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38-41).

[Digging4Truth]

'Former' as in "having once, or previously, been." Since "saves" is present tense, technically those he saves were, but are no more, sinners. etcetera.

To paraphrase: 'Jesus saves those who were [X].'

By your mention, it literally reads Jesus saves those who are in that current condition, and remain there.
(Though, I'm tired, and am uncertain how precise the thinker is tonight. Hehe, haha, oh my >_<.)


. . . About the last one (OP's): my bad. Though, rather than saying "former," another adjustment could be mentioned to bring about the same point as above. Seeing those in the book of Acts were added after they were repented, baptized in Jesus' name, and received the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38-41).

Repentant.... understood.

Did the son of man not come to SAVE that which was LOST?

What are they being saved FROM is they aren't being saved from their sin... from their harlotry...etc

What would you tell someone who wanted to be saved but told you they weren't going to come to church until they were able to stop sinning?

God doesn't save FORMER sinners
God saves sinners.
And makes former sinners out of them.

If they could become FORMER sinners without Him then why did He die on the cross?

[Steve Epley]

So they must quit before he saves them?

They must become a former sinner before he will save them?
They must become a former harlots before he will save them?
They must become a former trinitarians before he will save them?
They must become a former oneness pentecostals before he will save them?

Again you amaze me.

[Digging4Truth]

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
So they must quit before he saves them?

They must become a former sinner before he will save them?
They must become a former harlots before he will save them?
They must become a former trinitarians before he will save them?
They must become a former oneness pentecostals before he will save them?Again you amaze me.

Originally Posted by SteveEpley
Again you amaze me.

In what way?

Elucidate.

What is it about the post that amazes you?

Impressed by my wisdom?
Blown away by my idiocy?

Too too vague bro.

Bump for Epley

[MrsMcD]

I like the title of this thread!!!

[Old Paths]

Since trinitarians ARE monotheist and not polytheist as many Oneness folks try to paint them, then why would a person's trinitarian view of the Godhead keep them from being saved?

Does the Bible say that one must have a full understanding of the Godhead to make heaven? (if so then we are all in big trouble)



CC1

I have never read where anyone thinks that a person has to have a "full understanding of the Godhead".

[Digging4Truth]

I like the title of this thread!!!

Thanks...

To me... it just takes on a whole better attitude than the other one.

[Digging4Truth]

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
So they must quit before he saves them?

They must become a former sinner before he will save them?
They must become a former harlots before he will save them?
They must become a former trinitarians before he will save them?
They must become a former oneness pentecostals before he will save them?Again you amaze me.

Originally Posted by SteveEpley
Again you amaze me.

In what way?

Elucidate.

What is it about the post that amazes you?

Impressed by my wisdom?
Blown away by my idiocy?

Too too vague bro.

Bump for Epley

[Allan]

Repentant.... understood.

Did the son of man not come to SAVE that which was LOST?e-yep.

What are they being saved FROM is they aren't being saved from their sin... from their harlotry...etc?

What would you tell someone who wanted to be saved but told you they weren't going to come to church until they were able to stop sinning??

God doesn't save FORMER sinners
God saves sinners.
And makes former sinners out of them.

If they could become FORMER sinners without Him then why did He die on the cross?I didn't say anyone could become a former sinner without him.

[Digging4Truth]

e-yep.

?

?

I didn't say anyone could become a former sinner without him.

How can he save a former sinner if they don't become a former sinner first?

You said he saves FORMER sinners etc.

How can that be unless they become a former sinner first?

[Ferd]

Since trinitarians ARE monotheist and not polytheist as many Oneness folks try to paint them, then why would a person's trinitarian view of the Godhead keep them from being saved?

Does the Bible say that one must have a full understanding of the Godhead to make heaven? (if so then we are all in big trouble)

One Lord
One Faith
One Baptism....not two

[Allan]

How can he save a former sinner if they don't become a former sinner first?You changed the tense.
We are haggling over the present tense "saves." As in, you're saying Jesus presently, for a better lack of word, saves those who are sinners, etcetera.

More specifically, it appears as if those who are sinners are safe. By that logic.

You said he saves FORMER sinners etc.I know.

How can that be unless they become a former sinner first?See above. . .

[Digging4Truth]

You changed the tense.
We are haggling over the present tense "saves." As in, you're saying Jesus presently, for a better lack of word, saves those who are sinners, etcetera.

More specifically, it appears as if those who are sinners are safe. By that logic.

I know.

See above. . .

Alright... enlighten me with the correct tense so we can end all haggling...

Then please answer the question

[Allan]

:wacko Actually, never-mind >_<. I'm sorry for being an idiot about it.

[Digging4Truth]

:wacko Actually, never-mind >_<. I'm sorry for being an idiot about it.

Alright.. I will accept that... except for the idiot part.

That isn't deserved in the least.

:tiphat