Tithes And Offering: Send them to Head Quarters for equality.

[COOPER]

If this was to be voted on at General Conference, how would you vote?

How about everyone in the UPC send there Tithes and offerings to the U.P.C.I. Head Quarters.

Then head quarters can spread all the funds out evenly as each church and ministry needs.

Acts 4:33-35 (King James Version)
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33And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

[MrsMcD]

The big churches would probably dislike the idea and the smaller churches would probably like it.

[Joelel]

If this was to be voted on at General Conference, how would you vote?

How about everyone in the UPC send there Tithes and offerings to the U.P.C.I. Head Quarters.

Then head quarters can spread all the funds out evenly as each church and ministry needs.

I'll get you all digging for a time.What was tithes for in the old testement Law ? Are we commanded to pay tithes in the new testement ? By the way no I woun't give tithes to anyone. See what the scripture says and you will know why.

[COOPER]

I'll get you all digging for a time.What was tithes for in the old testement Law ? Are we commanded to pay tithes in the new testement ? By the way no I woun't give tithes to anyone. See what the scripture says and you will know why.
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[Whole Hearted]

I would never send my tithes to HQ.

[SoCaliUPC]

I would never send my tithes to HQ.

First of all...it is not YOUR tithes..but it is God's. It is already HIS.

However, I will say that tithes and offerings are for the local assembly. There are organizational offerings that we give to HQ (Mother's Memorial, Sheves for Christ, etc.) that are used for our missionaries around the world. However, it was bringing tithes and offerings to the local assembly.

[Old Paths]

I would never send my tithes to HQ.




Good for you.

[Darty]

I wouldnt send any money to hq. Kinda agrivates me if I want to support a ministry it has to go through HQ. We wanted to give a missionary money once and couldnt cause HQ had to get it's share first. Ya know If I want to give you five dollars I want to give it to you not someone else to give you your part of it lol

[Jekyll]

If this was to be voted on at General Conference, how would you vote?

How about everyone in the UPC send there Tithes and offerings to the U.P.C.I. Head Quarters.

Then head quarters can spread all the funds out evenly as each church and ministry needs.
Why does this even matter to you??? Why would you support an org. that you rail against daily??

[MissBrattified]

*sigh*

Coop, if my Daddy were here, he would ask you if you prayed this morning and if you'd read the Bible today. (God's Word, you know)

Silly questions, I'm sure. Somehow they pop into my head and seem relevant.

Your posts, your perspectives, your attitude...they make me sad. It isn't the fault of the UPCI that you are where you are.

[Whole Hearted]

I wouldnt send any money to hq. Kinda agrivates me if I want to support a ministry it has to go through HQ. We wanted to give a missionary money once and couldnt cause HQ had to get it's share first. Ya know If I want to give you five dollars I want to give it to you not someone else to give you your part of it lol

My thoughts exactly.

[Felicity]

I wouldnt send any money to hq. Kinda agrivates me if I want to support a ministry it has to go through HQ. We wanted to give a missionary money once and couldnt cause HQ had to get it's share first. Ya know If I want to give you five dollars I want to give it to you not someone else to give you your part of it lolYou can give it directly to the missionary. Then they have a responsibility to report it. Or not. I suppose some don't.

[COOPER]

*sigh*

Coop, if my Daddy were here, he would ask you if you prayed this morning and if you'd read the Bible today. (God's Word, you know)

Silly questions, I'm sure. Somehow they pop into my head and seem relevant.

Your posts, your perspectives, your attitude...they make me sad. It isn't the fault of the UPCI that you are where you are.

It all God..

......would not give the UPC that credit.:friend

[Joelel]

Is paying tithes scriptural for new testament, covenant, Law?
The priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Heb.7: 1: For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2: To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3: Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4: Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5: And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7: And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8: And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9: And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10: For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11: If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12: For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13: For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14: For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.



What was the change? We have a much greater commandment.

Acts4:32: And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33: And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34: Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35: And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Eph.4:28: Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Acts20:35: I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Rom.12:17: Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18: If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19: Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20: Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21: Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Math.19:16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Luke12:16: And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
17: And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
18: And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
19: And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
20: But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
21: So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
22: And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
23: The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
24: Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?
25: And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
26: If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
27: Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
28: If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
29: And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
30: For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
31: But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
32: Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
33: Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
34: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also

[Sam]

If each local church sent its money that was collected (tithes, offerings, gifts, etc) to WEC and then WEC (after taking its cut) disbursed the funds to the churches according to their plan so the local churches could pay pastors, staff, utilities, mortgage, etc this would be like a form of socialism like the U.S. government system. Money would go to the churches who paid the most graft/bribes to those in charge of disbursing it like our federal government reps. decide which programs get which amount. The individual churches would have paid lobbyists and PAC's (Payoff And Corruption) in St. Louis wining and dining the elected officials who set up and managed the budget.

[Revelationist]

I wouldnt send any money to hq. Kinda agrivates me if I want to support a ministry it has to go through HQ. We wanted to give a missionary money once and couldnt cause HQ had to get it's share first. Ya know If I want to give you five dollars I want to give it to you not someone else to give you your part of it lol


It get's more agrivating the deeper you dig sister. Check out what the pastors in other countries have to do with their church tithes and offerings... they have to give them to the misionary that's over them and that also goes back to head quarters....