Does God have another plan for the Jews?

[Justin]

I've heard for a while (since attending a Pentecostal church) that God has a "back-up" plan for the Jewish people.

Does this theory hold water?

[Ron]

I know in the N.T. there is neither Jew, nor Gentile.
We all come into the Church via Acts 2:38

[Sam]

I'm not sure what you mean.

It is my understanding that God has one plan of salvation per dispensation.
Since this is the dispensation of Grace or The Church Age, God has one plan of salvation for both Jew and Gentile. To me, that is what Romans 1:16 says.

From what I understand, John Hagee teaches that Jesus did not present Himself as Messiah to the first century Jews, therefore they did not reject Him, and they are still under the Old Covenant and are not required to accept the Gospel as preached under the New Covenant/Testament. I'm not sure how many others believe that way.

Some believe that after the church is raptured, there will be a large turning to God by Jewish people, that they will then be the "elect" spoken of in prophecy, that the nation will be born again (spiritually reborn), and that they will help Him rule on the earth in "the Kingdom." This would be a fulfillment of many Old Testament prophecies and the rule on earth would include animal sacrifices and feast days like Tabernacles, etc.

Others believe that all the prophecies of a kingdom of God on earth, a restoration of the Temple, and a ruler sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem are fulfilled in the Church and will not be fulfilled literally.

[Digging4Truth]

Nope...

No other plan outside of Jesus Christ.


He is the way, the truth and the life.

There will never be another way.

[Pressing-On]

I know in the N.T. there is neither Jew, nor Gentile.
We all come into the Church via Acts 2:38
:thumbsup

[edjen01]

Nope...

No other plan outside of Jesus Christ.


He is the way, the truth and the life.

There will never be another way.

bingo...

[Cindy]

I agree with Ron and DFT!!!!!

[Sister Alvear]

One plan...for all!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here is a interesting thing to study is there a difference between Hebrews and Jews ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

[TRFrance]

I'm not sure what you mean.

It is my understanding that God has one plan of salvation per dispensation.
Since this is the dispensation of Grace or The Church Age, God has one plan of salvation for both Jew and Gentile. To me, that is what Romans 1:16 says.

From what I understand, John Hagee teaches that Jesus did not present Himself as Messiah to the first century Jews, therefore they did not reject Him, and they are still under the Old Covenant and are not required to accept the Gospel as preached under the New Covenant/Testament. I'm not sure how many others believe that way.


That would be crazy if he really believes that.

Sam, if you have a link for this could you post it for us?
Thx

[TRFrance]

I've heard for a while (since attending a Pentecostal church) that God has a "back-up" plan for the Jewish people.

Does this theory hold water?
If you're referring to the eventual salvation of the Jews.... then there are several scripture passages used to support the belief that they will indeed all turn to God one day.

Romans 11 is a key scripture in that regard, in particular, verses 27-32:

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

[Scott Hutchinson]

This is interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxXDAAD_wNw

[Scott Hutchinson]

This might be of interest.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/07-Jews-As-Nation/section-5.html

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0CyolAOeWQ

[TRFrance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0CyolAOeWQ

Insane and irresponsible comments.
Ridiculous.

I like the response by this guy:
Re: John Hagee's In Defense of Israel



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHL0ROjEl9o&feature=related

[Sam]

That would be crazy if he really believes that.

Sam, if you have a link for this could you post it for us?
Thx


I don't have a link. This came up once before on here or on another forum. I think Mike Blume provided a link to YouTube where John Hagee was promoting a new book. I think there was quite a reaction and he may have modified his teaching a little.

I don't know if anyone else on here remembers that or not.

[Sam]

I don't have a link. This came up once before on here or on another forum. I think Mike Blume provided a link to YouTube where John Hagee was promoting a new book. I think there was quite a reaction and he may have modified his teaching a little.

I don't know if anyone else on here remembers that or not.

Well, I see that by the time I gave this answer, others had provided the information.

[Apprehended]

That would be crazy if he really believes that.

Sam, if you have a link for this could you post it for us?
Thx

That guy Hagee is spiritual lunatic.

To answer the question, there is only one plan of salvation. It was first preached to the Jews, later the Samaritans and finally the Gentiles by the man with the keys. The ONE door is open to all men.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

[Hoovie]

One plan for everyone in every age - the blood of Jesus shed on the cross.

[Digging4Truth]

Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

That is some scary thinkin' right there.

[MadeHoly]

One plan and one way, Acts 2:38.

[Falla39]

Rom.2:27-29:

27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

2Cor.3:3,
Speaks of the circumcision not made by hands, but the circumcision
that God does in the heart. Turns those stony hearts into fleshly tablets.
God wanted to turn those stony hearts into hearts of flesh. Fleshly
tables of the heart and write His Word (Law) there. He desired to put
His Law inside them.

2Cor.3:3:

3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

Blessings,

Falla39

[Falla39]

The Jews rejected or resisted the wonderful things (plans) God had for them.
When Jesus sat upon the Mt. of Olives, weeping over Jerusalem, (the same Spirit that moved or brooded (like a mother hen) in the beginning), upon the face of the waters (represents people) spoke,

Matt.23:37,
New American Standard Bible
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

Luke13:34,
New American Standard Bible
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, just as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not have it!


John 1:11-13,
New American Standard Bible
"He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
Who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God".

Blessings,

Falla39

[Apprehended]

That is some scary thinkin' right there.

I found a scripture references these people:

Sgs 6:11 I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, [and] to see whether the vine flourished, [and] the pomegranates budded.

This is the results of the likes of "Left Behind" series, Clarence Larkin, Hal Lindsay and such garbage all begun in 1830 by John Darby of the Pilgrim Bretheren in 1830 and mainly perpetuated by the likes of C.I. Scofield.

These folks are wanting to wipe out Iran. Holy warmongers??? Ha! That bunch has raised a harvest of nuts from a vast, worldwide field.

Of course, Apostolics like blind followers of the blind ran after it by the herds in their bible schools, even until this day.

Folks, we are in a big mess.

The extreme reaction to all of this stuff is Preterism. We are in a double big mess.

[crakjak]

God has a plan, and He is working His plan. We have all kinds of ideas, but the plan of God is being fulfilled day by day. One by one man is being redeemed as we complete our course, then finally even the creation (cosmos) is to be redeemed.

God is not a God of distruction, that is the function of fallen man, He will not torture or torment, He will redeem it all.

[Apprehended]

God has a plan, and He is working His plan. We have all kinds of ideas, but the plan of God is being fulfilled day by day. One by one man is being redeemed as we complete our course, then finally even the creation (cosmos) is to be redeemed.

God is not a God of distruction, that is the function of fallen man, He will not torture or torment, He will redeem it all.

Yes, he is working his plan.

Yes, he still adds to the church daily such as should be saved.

Yes, all of creation will be restored in the day of the Lord...the restoration of all things.

No God is not the God of destruction.

No, God has never tormented anyone nor will he ever. Men who go to hell go there as a transgressor since hell was prepared for the devil and his angels.

There is no redemption for he who has refused him. After death, the power of choosing is gone.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here is something for consideration.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/gal6-16.html

[Scott Hutchinson]

This is related to this topic.
http://www.pilgrim-platform.org/scofield.htm