Are you Ex-UPC? Share your experience!

[COOPER]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.

[berkeley]

Well, where do I start?

[Malvaro]

I am UPC and standing up to testify!!!

ooooooops, wrong thread.... :D

[COOPER]

Well, where do I start?
Do tell.

[Monkeyman]

I am UPC and standing up to testify!!!

ooooooops, wrong thread.... :D
I'm UPC and standing up to testify!!!

ooooooops, wrong thread...I got directions from Malvaro:tease

[COOPER]

I am UPC and standing up to testify!!!

ooooooops, wrong thread.... :D
:tease

[COOPER]

I'm UPC and standing up to testify!!!

ooooooops, wrong thread...I got directions from Malvaro:tease
Waz up Monk?

[OneAccord]

In not UPC, have never been UPC, but have the deepest respect for the people of the UPC. I guess I, too, posted on the wrong thread.

[Monkeyman]

Waz up Monk?
What's up brudda?
Gonna be jamming on a Marshall stack this weekend through one of these...http://www.dynacord.com/unterkategorie_e.php?id=61&subid=55
:highfive :highfive

[The Dean]

Here we go again. :hmmm

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Here we go again. :hmmm

Perfect!

WE have the One thread to merge all the others into!

:beatdeadhorse

[rrford]

I freely admit that I am UPCI and proud of it!

Seems like the right thread to say that IMO.

[Ron]

Did I say Coop's back?:D

Born Again in a UPCI Church, stayed UPCI for near 24 yrs & by the Grace of God die in a UPCI Church!:hypercoffee

[Steadfast]

I freely admit that I am UPCI and proud of it!

Seems like the right thread to say that IMO.

If it wasn't for the UPC in a neighboring town that had NO Churches for far too many miles around it I would still be sleeping behind dumpsters or laying beneath a tombstone. Instead, I'm now Pastoring a great Church and preaching all over the world.

Thank God that someone reached me. I find much more good with the UPC than I've ever seen bad.

Ironically, how does one say, "Ex-UPC? TESTIFY!" and then put a disclaimer saying "We're not bashing the UPC".

I genuinely hope this isn't what AFF is destined to decline to. It didn't exactly do 'wonders' for the last forum.

[rrford]

If it wasn't for the UPC in a neighboring town that had NO Churches for far too many miles around it I would still be sleeping behind dumpsters or laying beneath a tombstone. Instead, I'm now Pastoring a great Church and preaching all over the world.

Thank God that someone reached me. I find much more good with the UPC than I've ever seen bad.

Ironically, how does one say, "Ex-UPC? TESTIFY!" and then put a disclaimer saying "We're not bashing the UPC".

I genuinely hope this isn't what AFF is destined to decline to. It didn't exactly do 'wonders' for the last forum.

Thanks for saying what needed to be said with your last paragraph.

[Sister Truth Seeker]

I was UPC left for a bit over two years.now I am UPC again...its the best thing goin!!!!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

I can move it to the crybaby room!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Oops, not meant against you STS

:bouquet

[Sister Truth Seeker]

I can move it to the crybaby room!
:killinme oh yeah....

[The Dean]

Thanks for saying what needed to be said with your last paragraph.

Ditto

[deadeye]

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Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.

COOP,

Everything you do is a bash against the UPC. Dont try to come on like you have become tolerant or something.

[IBCrazier2]

This place might be for you Coop!

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/experiences.html

[Felicity]

I am ex-UPC but wish in many ways I was still UPC. I certainly don't regret my training or teaching or having been exposed to some of the most wonderful Godly people that you'll ever meet this side of heaven.

I'm thankful for having been taught to live a life of sold-outness and consecration that has kept me in good stead through the years.

I thought tonight as I stood leading a meeting of women and seeing the power and presence of God move among us like I've never seen since we came here how grateful I am for the wonderful example of anointed powerful leadership I've had through the years and for the opportunity of having known what real true anointing and moving of the Holy Ghost is and know how to sense that and move with it.

My past has been richly textured and blessed because of my UPC heritage and whatever happens in the future .... all the good things that I know are ahead .... will be partly a result of reaping a good harvest because of what was sown into us by wonderful men and women through the years.

Yes, I'm ex-UPC but it will always be a part of me and who I am and I'm not even the slightest bit hesitant or reluctant to say that. :)

[berkeley]

Do tell.
Remind me tomorrow. :)

[Barb]

I am ex-UPC but wish in many ways I was still UPC. I certainly don't regret my training or teaching or having been exposed to some of the most wonderful Godly people that you'll ever meet this side of heaven.

I'm thankful for having been taught to live a life of sold-outness and consecration that has kept me in good stead through the years.

I thought tonight as I stood leading a meeting of women and seeing the power and presence of God move among us like I've never seen since we came here how grateful I am for the wonderful example of anointed powerful leadership I've had through the years and for the opportunity of having known what real true anointing and moving of the Holy Ghost is and know how to sense that and move with it.

My past has been richly textured and blessed because of my UPC heritage and whatever happens in the future .... all the good things that I know are ahead .... will be partly a result of reaping a good harvest because of what was sown into us by wonderful men and women through the years.

Yes, I'm ex-UPC but it will always be a part of me and who I am and I'm not even the slightest bit hesitant or reluctant to say that. :)

:clap

[Michael Phelps]

If it wasn't for the UPC in a neighboring town that had NO Churches for far too many miles around it I would still be sleeping behind dumpsters or laying beneath a tombstone. Instead, I'm now Pastoring a great Church and preaching all over the world.

Thank God that someone reached me. I find much more good with the UPC than I've ever seen bad.

Ironically, how does one say, "Ex-UPC? TESTIFY!" and then put a disclaimer saying "We're not bashing the UPC".

I genuinely hope this isn't what AFF is destined to decline to. It didn't exactly do 'wonders' for the last forum.

I hope for everyone's sake, including his own, Cooper is ignored on these threads. He's pathological, can't help himself, the UPC is evil incarnate in his mind........what gives him fuel is when people respond.

So, hopefully, this one will just die out..........

[COOPER]

This place might be for you Coop!

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/experiences.html
I do not care for that place.

[COOPER]

I am ex-UPC but wish in many ways I was still UPC. I certainly don't regret my training or teaching or having been exposed to some of the most wonderful Godly people that you'll ever meet this side of heaven.

I'm thankful for having been taught to live a life of sold-outness and consecration that has kept me in good stead through the years.

I thought tonight as I stood leading a meeting of women and seeing the power and presence of God move among us like I've never seen since we came here how grateful I am for the wonderful example of anointed powerful leadership I've had through the years and for the opportunity of having known what real true anointing and moving of the Holy Ghost is and know how to sense that and move with it.

My past has been richly textured and blessed because of my UPC heritage and whatever happens in the future .... all the good things that I know are ahead .... will be partly a result of reaping a good harvest because of what was sown into us by wonderful men and women through the years.

Yes, I'm ex-UPC but it will always be a part of me and who I am and I'm not even the slightest bit hesitant or reluctant to say that. :)

Thanks Felicity for your pleasent response.
I kinda feel the same way as you.

[COOPER]

Remind me tomorrow. :)

It's tomorrow this morning.

[COOPER]

I hope for everyone's sake, including his own, Cooper is ignored on these threads. He's pathological, can't help himself, the UPC is evil incarnate in his mind........what gives him fuel is when people respond.

So, hopefully, this one will just die out..........
Oh go eat some sugar flakes tiger!:heeheehee
I saw that Battle Creek is the Cereal capital of the world.

[COOPER]

If it wasn't for the UPC in a neighboring town that had NO Churches for far too many miles around it I would still be sleeping behind dumpsters or laying beneath a tombstone. Instead, I'm now Pastoring a great Church and preaching all over the world.

Thank God that someone reached me. I find much more good with the UPC than I've ever seen bad.

Ironically, how does one say, "Ex-UPC? TESTIFY!" and then put a disclaimer saying "We're not bashing the UPC".

I genuinely hope this isn't what AFF is destined to decline to. It didn't exactly do 'wonders' for the last forum.
Many folks that are here on AFF are ex-upc.
What?.............:dunno

That can not testify?

[Ronzo]

Are you Ex-UPC? Stand up and Testify!


Coop... are you obsessed with this stuff or what, bro? lol


:tease

[COOPER]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.

I like these threads of mine.
There are many friends of mine from my old church out there.
They too are ex-upc.
One Friend found me because of my threads.
One other Friend had been trying to find me for two years and found me because of GNC and the Apostolic Music Web Site.
AFF is cool and Rock's On!
Like I said .
I am not bashing UPC or trying to change anyone or encouraging any one to compromise.
Those of you that are UPCI and love it; should not be so quick to to be on the defense .
If you are happy in the UPC; .... Act like it!:ty

[COOPER]

Coop... are you obsessed with this stuff or what, bro? lol


:tease
No, just consistent.

[Cotton Mather]

Even Puritans love the UPC!

[Garfield]

Huh? This is what drives me crazy (and for me that's a short trip :) ) on another thread the UPC is only for preachers and here everyone that even attend(ed) a UPC church is considered UPC?

[rgcraig]

Coop,

You should just print out a list so you don't have to ask this all the time!

:bliss

[Felicity]

I like these threads of mine.
Apparently. LOL! :killinme

[Michael Phelps]

I like these threads of mine.
There are many friends of mine from my old church out there.
They too are ex-upc.
One Friend found me because of my threads.
One other Friend had been trying to find me for two years and found me because of GNC and the Apostolic Music Web Site.
AFF is cool and Rock's On!
Like I said .
I am not bashing UPC or trying to change anyone or encouraging any one to compromise.
Those of you that are UPCI and love it; should not be so quick to to be on the defense .
If you are happy in the UPC; .... Act like it!:ty

If you are happy outside of the UPC, act like it Coop.

You seem to be the one obsessed with attacking the UPC, and then you tell the members not to be so defensive, lol.

You are obviously very unhappy with your position in life right now, and it's pretty obvious to me that your purpose for starting all these Anti-UPC threads is to convince yourself that you're right.

[Felicity]

Thanks Felicity for your pleasent response.Thanks!


I kinda feel the same way as you.You do?!! LOL! :)

[COOPER]

If you are happy outside of the UPC, act like it Coop.

You seem to be the one obsessed with attacking the UPC, and then you tell the members not to be so defensive, lol.

You are obviously very unhappy with your position in life right now, and it's pretty obvious to me that your purpose for starting all these Anti-UPC threads is to convince yourself that you're right.
:dunno
I do not deserve you. .

[Garfield]

:dunno
I do not deserve you. .

Amen.

[Michael Phelps]

:dunno
I do not deserve you. .

That's the most truthful thing you've ever said, lol.:bliss

[Ronzo]

No, just consistent.

No... you're pretty much obsessed.





:beatdeadhorse

Stop the beatings, Coop.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Coop,

You should just print out a list so you don't have to ask this all the time!

:bliss

Or set it as his title.

[StillStanding]

:dunno
I do not deserve you. .
Coop, there are a lot of good things you post, but your constant bagering of the UPCI is annoying! :beatdeadhorse

You're like the crying child that sits behind you in every church service. Yes, they're consistant, but they're consistantly annoying! :drawguns

[COOPER]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:bliss :bliss :bliss

[Ronzo]

I'm not 'in the UPC'... but this type of thing drives me nuts.


Just move on, Coop. Let it go. You'll feel better.

They still have a hold on you. It's obvious by your posting this stuff.

[Felicity]

LOL!

[aquestioninggirl]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.

I don't think everyone should be Dissing (did I say that?) Cooper for asking. It is nice to know were everyone stands. I am Ex-UPC. I would tell you what is going on in my life right now but because of the fact It will probable not set well with most I will refrain. Love Ya'll!!

[MrsBOOMM]

I am not ex-upc and do not have an ax to grind. I really don't see the point of doing it, if I did have one. I am very thankful for the UPC. I was privileged to grow up in church. I was not saved from a world of ugly sin, but I was saved in spite of those in our church who talked against my Dad as a the Pastor. (many PK's don't survive that). I am thankful for a Grandpa who traveled to UPC Bible Colleges in order to make new young ministers aware that there was an area of the US that needed churches. He started many works himself and worked himself to death trying to spread this wonderful truth!

Thru the years I have been aware of those against the UPC for their various reasons but in searching the Word of God for myself I find no valid reason to be against the UPC, and yes I probably am a little bias. It still pleases me when a female comes into the church and receives the Holy Ghost, gets baptized and without anyone teaching her, she starts feeling like she should not wear pants, put on makeup or cut her hair. I am amazed everytime I see this. The Holy Ghost guides and directs if we let it.

Yes, there are those of us who still believe in standards or devotions as I like to call them. And, how can anyone deny that devotions are wrong when a person who has not even been taught, on their own discovers that this is what God wants them to do.

When my Dad was pastoring and somebody got up to testify and wasn't saying anything that was glorifying God he had a thing planned out already with my Mom that when this happened the plan would be to start a song. I watched him on a number of occasions get up in the middle of someone's testimony and start singing. Anyone have a song?

BTW, Coop, my heart goes out to you, you really must be hurting and I pray that God can help you to overcome your bitterness.

[COOPER]

I don't think everyone should be Dissing (did I say that?) Cooper for asking. It is nice to know were everyone stands. I am Ex-UPC. I would tell you what is going on in my life right now but because of the fact It will probable not set well with most I will refrain. Love Ya'll!!

:ty

[Sister Truth Seeker]

Oops, not meant against you STS

:bouquetI knew that....:heeheehee

[COOPER]

BTW, Coop, my heart goes out to you, you really must be hurting and I pray that God can help you to overcome your bitterness.
Mrs.Boomm, Thanks for your kindness. I am no longer bitter the way I was two years ago. I am no longer hurting and I respect those that are still UPC.
I do get annoyed at some hard ball type, but not all UPC saints are mean and radical.
Cooper

[Sister Truth Seeker]

Mrs.Boomm, Thanks for your kindness. I am no longer bitter the way I was two years ago. I am no longer hurting and I respect those that are still UPC.
I do get annoyed at some hard ball type, but not all UPC saints are mean and radical.
Cooper

There is a way back...I found it...I am now happier than I have ever been...when I returned I was scared I would be judged, shunned,etc...none of that was the case...I was received with tears of joy, loving hugs, and huge smiles...I still am...everytime I run into someone that I have not seen in a long time...they say "oh I am so happy to see you"...and they mean it...God made a way and I am so happy!

[The Dean]

Coop, there are a lot of good things you post, but your constant bagering of the UPCI is annoying! :beatdeadhorse

You're like the crying child that sits behind you in every church service. Yes, they're consistant, but they're consistantly annoying! :drawguns

:killinme

[COOPER]

There is a way back...I found it...I am now happier than I have ever been...when I returned I was scared I would be judged, shunned,etc...none of that was the case...I was received with tears of joy, loving hugs, and huge smiles...I still am...everytime I run into someone that I have not seen in a long time...they say "oh I am so happy to see you"...and they mean it...God made a way and I am so happy!
Well that is good Sis.
But the UPC Churches in Amarillo are not my old Hang out. They do not Know me.
As far as they know; we are just a Backslidden UPC family that left a liberal UPC church in Va.

[COOPER]

:killinme
:dunno

[Sister Truth Seeker]

Well that is good Sis.
But the UPC Churches in Amarillo are not my old Hang out. They do not Know me.
As far as they know; we are just a Backslidden UPC family that left a liberal UPC church in Va.

So what does that matter brother....you can get a fresh start....don't go in with that chip on your shoulder...if they don't know you they don't know you are backslidden...which personally I hate that term and rarely is it accurate...its an easy word to throw around...but there is so much more to leaving and what the turmoil is that we go through...all I know is you will find peace and love...

[COOPER]

So what does that matter brother....you can get a fresh start....don't go in with that chip on your shoulder...if they don't know you they don't know you are backslidden...which personally I hate that term and rarely is it accurate...its an easy word to throw around...but there is so much more to leaving and what the turmoil is that we go through...all I know is you will find peace and love...

No, UPC will never be my church again. Frankly Because I do not fellowship doctrinal teachings and will never go back to traditional standards of UPC.
It would just be an UN-equal yoke for our family.

[Sister Truth Seeker]

No, UPC will never be my church again. Frankly Because I do not fellowship doctrinal teachings and will never go back to traditional standards of UPC.
It would just be an UN-equal yoke for our family.

Then you will never understand the REAL UPC...it is what you make of it...it has so much to do with our attitude...I have found a different place when I returned....one Sunday brother just take your family....you will loose nothing in that.....I am not the only one on this forum that has returned after an absense...I am sure what they found is not what they left!

[COOPER]

Then you will never understand the REAL UPC...it is what you make of it...it has so much to do with our attitude...I have found a different place when I returned....one Sunday brother just take your family....you will loose nothing in that.....I am not the only one on this forum that has returned after an absense...I am sure what they found is not what they left!
I do understand Sis.
I was 17 years in UPC and spent all them years on the Platform playing Bass and drums.
UPC is big time on dress, hair, make up, jewelery etc.
I would not subject my wife and daughters to that again.
Too many restrictions.

[Michael Phelps]

I do understand Sis.
I was 17 years in UPC and spent all them years on the Platform playing Bass and drums.
UPC is big time on dress, hair, make up, jewelery etc.
I would not subject my wife and daughters to that again.
Too many restrictions.

Yawn. :beatdeadhorse :beatdeadhorse :beatdeadhorse

[Sister Truth Seeker]

I do understand Sis.
I was 17 years in UPC and spent all them years on the Platform playing Bass and drums.
UPC is big time on dress, hair, make up, jewelery etc.
I would not subject my wife and daughters to that again.
Too many restrictions.
Again...go and see....you may be surprised....I found a different place when I returned...I think that the UPC is learning to make room for all of us...I am sure there are some churches that are extremely conservative...but there are ones that are not...for me I am so glad that my church found a way to grow...to mellow in it's attitudes...as I said you can not loose a thing by going and seeing for yourself...

[rrford]

Woke up this morning still a part of the UPCI and proud of it.

[COOPER]

Again...go and see....you may be surprised....I found a different place when I returned...I think that the UPC is learning to make room for all of us...I am sure there are some churches that are extremely conservative...but there are ones that are not...for me I am so glad that my church found a way to grow...to mellow in it's attitudes...as I said you can not loose a thing by going and seeing for yourself...

Ok, Sis. If a Pastor was fine with our family and did not feel I was a threat; that would be different.
But, just at the last Texico Youth camp meet; standards were drilled.
By the way my Girl recieved the Holy Ghost there.
A pastors wife was very kind to us. She prayed with my kids.

[COOPER]

Woke up this morning still a part of the UPCI and proud of it.
Well you go boy!:highfive

[IAintMovin]

Coop, Love ya man and dont know that I know you personally - but I have found in over 20 years of ministry that when people harp on stuff all the time - saying it doesnt bother them - they dont need it - in reality it is something that deeply bothers them, something that God is working them over about and they for whatever reason are fighting.

Now if you say that you are happy, I say Good.

But your constant talk of standards (you call them rules, I call them safety nets) makes me think that there is really something deep inside of you that is missing something from God and that this is your way of trying to overcome it. If standards do not matter, and they do not bother you, why talk about it all the time? Please understand that I am not in any attacking you, just stating MO on the matter.

We are glad you are here - we are glad that you post - but you will do yourself a favor of not constantly harping on this subject for even the people who agree with you get weary of it.

Love ya man and hope to meet you some day. If you are ever east on I 20 around Longview give me a call and I will buy you and your family lunch.

[Sister Truth Seeker]

Ok, Sis. If a Pastor was fine with our family and did not feel I was a threat; that would be different.
But, just at the last Texico Youth camp meet; standards were drilled.
By the way my Girl recieved the Holy Ghost there.
A pastors wife was very kind to us. She prayed with my kids.

You will never know until you go...you can think you know....but you can't and Brother there is more than one church...if one does not fit, try another...I go as I am...I Have long hair and I wear dresses/skirts to church and most of the time otherwise, but I also wear nail polish, rings, sometimes braclets....makeup...no one has shunned me...they may be praying for me, but I am happy for that...my daily prayer is for God to lead me...and I trust in HIM....

[Ronzo]

If you are ever east on I 20 around Longview give me a call and I will buy you and your family lunch.

I know you didn't say this to me, but... My wife's family is in Marshall.

Next time we're there to visit, would love to meet up for lunch with ya.

[IAintMovin]

I know you didn't say this to me, but... My wife's family is in Marshall.

Next time we're there to visit, would love to meet up for lunch with ya.
Would love to, give me a PM when you are headed this way and if at all possible, we will do.

There is a GREAT Pizza place there in Marshall, we can do any food you want, but when duty calls me there during lunch or dinner - I love that place.

Again it would be an honor.

[mizpeh]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.


I'm ex-UPC but not because I left, my pastor would not sign a paper agreeing with certain standards in the 1990's. I don't think he realy wanted to leave but he could not sign and be a liar and a hypocrite either. I would have no problem becoming part of a UPC congregation again and conforming to whatever standards were set forth if that is where God led me. I like the fellowship within the UPC body but not the governmental structure. (too much politics)

[Ronzo]

As a NY'r for 27 years before I moved to Austin, I'm a big (in more ways than one) fan of pizza.

Where is this great pizza place in Marshall?

[IAintMovin]

As a NY'r for 27 years before I moved to Austin, I'm a big (in more ways than one) fan of pizza.

Where is this great pizza place in Marshall?

It is not New York Style - you guys have the best. My wife gets upset with me, when we are there I want to stop on every other corner and go in and get a slice. LOL

I cannot remember the name off the top of my head, but it is on HWY 59 just north of I-20 on the west side of the road. No less than 1/2 mile I believe from the interstate.

[Sister Truth Seeker]

I'm ex-UPC but not because I left, my pastor would not sign a paper agreeing with certain standards in the 1990's. I don't think he realy wanted to leave but he could not sign and be a liar and a hypocrite either. I would have no problem becoming part of a UPC congregation again and conforming to whatever standards were set forth if that is where God led me. I like the fellowship within the UPC body but not the governmental structure. (too much politics)
GOOD POST

[jollyrancher]

Coop...I promise you there is a place within the UPC that you can have a balanced life.

Over the past 25 years, after graduating from Bible School (a upc), our family has moved from the left to live a balanced center life focused on Christ. Some people would acutually call us liberal, but we consider our lives to be BALANCED.

We raised our children without the standards (pants, hair, makeup, movies, tv, etc...) and have been able to attend a UP Church. We have an active leadership role with Preaching, Leading Music, Sunday School Leader, and Home Friendship leaders.

We taught our children that in all things a Christian must live a modest life. You should be able to find a UPC that will teach these "standards" are not a heaven or hell issue and just a preference. At least most of the church in these part believe that. Look around...the fundamental doctrine of the UPC is still Bible and a lot of ministers eyes are being opened to the "standards" be preferences not salvational issues. There is still hope for you.

[rgcraig]

Coop...I promise you there is a place within the UPC that you can have a balanced life.

Over the past 25 years, after graduating from Bible School (a upc), our family has moved from the left to live a balanced center life focused on Christ. Some people would acutually call us liberal, but we consider our lives to be BALANCED.

We raised our children without the standards (pants, hair, makeup, movies, tv, etc...) and have been able to attend a UP Church. We have an active leadership role with Preaching, Leading Music, Sunday School Leader, and Home Friendship leaders.

We taught our children that in all things a Christian must live a modest life. You should be able to find a UPC that will teach these "standards" are not a heaven or hell issue and just a preference. At least most of the church in these part believe that. Look around...the fundamental doctrine of the UPC is still Bible and a lot of ministers eyes are being opened to the "standards" be preferences not salvational issues. There is still hope for you.

Thank you for this post. Balance is one of my favorite words!!

It can be done.

And....welcome Jollyrancher!

[Ronzo]

It is not New York Style - you guys have the best. My wife gets upset with me, when we are there I want to stop on every other corner and go in and get a slice. LOL

I cannot remember the name off the top of my head, but it is on HWY 59 just north of I-20 on the west side of the road. No less than 1/2 mile I believe from the interstate.

I know which place you're talking about now. It's right near the the hotels there.

Same guy owns that place as owns the IHOP. I can't recall the name.




However, if I step foot in that place, I'll get shot by my wife and her family. The folks in that town don't like the owner that much.

[IAintMovin]

I know which place you're talking about now. It's right near the the hotels there.

Same guy owns that place as owns the IHOP. I can't recall the name.




However, if I step foot in that place, I'll get shot by my wife and her family. The folks in that town don't like the owner that much.
well be sure and dont tell em I go there

[Ronzo]

It's Gucci's.

:D


Don't worry. I'll work on them between now and then. :D


Probably won't be for awhile. We were just there for Christmas.

[Felicity]

Woke up this morning still a part of the UPCI and proud of it.Well you need to get rid of that. God hates pride you know! :lol

[Sister Truth Seeker]

Coop...I promise you there is a place within the UPC that you can have a balanced life.

Over the past 25 years, after graduating from Bible School (a upc), our family has moved from the left to live a balanced center life focused on Christ. Some people would acutually call us liberal, but we consider our lives to be BALANCED.

We raised our children without the standards (pants, hair, makeup, movies, tv, etc...) and have been able to attend a UP Church. We have an active leadership role with Preaching, Leading Music, Sunday School Leader, and Home Friendship leaders.

We taught our children that in all things a Christian must live a modest life. You should be able to find a UPC that will teach these "standards" are not a heaven or hell issue and just a preference. At least most of the church in these part believe that. Look around...the fundamental doctrine of the UPC is still Bible and a lot of ministers eyes are being opened to the "standards" be preferences not salvational issues. There is still hope for you.Your right there is a way...it just has to be in your heart to do it...it is also hard to let go of the pride...I know I had to do it!!!

[AmazingGrace]

It is not New York Style - you guys have the best. My wife gets upset with me, when we are there I want to stop on every other corner and go in and get a slice. LOL

I cannot remember the name off the top of my head, but it is on HWY 59 just north of I-20 on the west side of the road. No less than 1/2 mile I believe from the interstate.



We were there house hunting the other day and ate at what I believe is probably the same place you are speaking of... I will ask hubby the name and post later but it was wonderful!!!! Pretty good pizza if I say so myself...:highfive

[Ronzo]

We were there house hunting the other day and ate at what I believe is probably the same place you are speaking of... I will ask hubby the name and post later but it was wonderful!!!! Pretty good pizza if I say so myself...:highfive

You're looking at moving TO Marshall???

:heeheehee

[AmazingGrace]

You're looking at moving TO Marshall???

:heeheehee



Lord NO!!!

Actually we are moving to Jacksonville but we get sidetracked a lot LOL... we were in marshall visiting some friends and then went to well basically been from one end of Tx to the other in the last month... But NO I do not like Marshall (can we sing the old song... all my ex's live in Marshall lol)

[Ronzo]

*whew!*

Good! I'm happy to hear you are smart enough to not do that. :D


There is only one reason we go to Marshall. Family. That's it. If it wasn't for them still living there (Wife's dad is a bit on the stubborn side - "I ain't movin'") we wouldn't ever go back.

[COOPER]

they dont need it - in reality it is something that deeply bothers them, something that God is working them over about and they for whatever reason are fighting.
Love ya man and hope to meet you some day. If you are ever east on I 20 around Longview give me a call and I will buy you and your family lunch.
In fact I fought God to let go of standards as salvational.
Particularly when my wife put on her jeans and trimmed her hair.

The rugged was pulled out from under me.
When my eyes were opened it shook my faith to the core.
I realized that I had too much trust and faith in The UPC and Pastors.

It was then many of my brothers and sisters of the old church agreed even an elder. Then the Pastor.
I left UPC standards with a Pastors blessing. I did not rebel.
I am not angry at standards. I love the UPC, they will always be apart of me.
I like to meet others that have left the upc, it is really cool to find others that share the same experience.

This is why I started this thread.
Not to bash, harp or hate.
I will be heading your way in March to go back to Virginia to see my Parents.

[COOPER]

Coop...I promise you there is a place within the UPC that you can have a balanced life.

Over the past 25 years, after graduating from Bible School (a upc), our family has moved from the left to live a balanced center life focused on Christ. Some people would acutually call us liberal, but we consider our lives to be BALANCED.

We raised our children without the standards (pants, hair, makeup, movies, tv, etc...) and have been able to attend a UP Church. We have an active leadership role with Preaching, Leading Music, Sunday School Leader, and Home Friendship leaders.

We taught our children that in all things a Christian must live a modest life. You should be able to find a UPC that will teach these "standards" are not a heaven or hell issue and just a preference. At least most of the church in these part believe that. Look around...the fundamental doctrine of the UPC is still Bible and a lot of ministers eyes are being opened to the "standards" be preferences not salvational issues. There is still hope for you.

Thank you for this post. Balance is one of my favorite words!!

It can be done.

And....welcome Jollyrancher!
Amen!

[AmazingGrace]

*whew!*

Good! I'm happy to hear you are smart enough to not do that. :D


There is only one reason we go to Marshall. Family. That's it. If it wasn't for them still living there (Wife's dad is a bit on the stubborn side - "I ain't movin'") we wouldn't ever go back.


Ron, I am too glad that God gave me a good enough head on my shoulders to know better, although I am not sure that Jacksonville is a much better bet... but I am moving to be with the hubby and I dont care where right now lol... Just happens thats where he works.. doesnt seem to be tooo bad out there though...


Sorry coop for hijacking the thread I am gone now... gotta go to the hospital to see my momma :)

[AmazingGrace]

Ok just a question Coop but I have to ask it... would you be so excited to meet someone who left the upc for a more conservative church/org? I will look forward to your response later when I return :dunno

[COOPER]

Ok just a question Coop but I have to ask it... would you be so excited to meet someone who left the upc for a more conservative church/org? I will look forward to your response later when I return :dunno
We would not have much in common, but it has happened before I think at FCF or NFCF.

[Garfield]

Cooper did you hold a ministerial license with the UPC or just attend a UPC church? This is what drives me crazy (and for me that's a short trip ) on another thread the UPC is only for preachers and here everyone that even attend(ed) a UPC church is considered UPC?

[COOPER]

Cooper did you hold a ministerial license with the UPC or just attend a UPC church? This is what drives me crazy (and for me that's a short trip ) on another thread the UPC is only for preachers and here everyone that even attend(ed) a UPC church is considered UPC?
I guess no one is ever a Bapist or AOG or PAW with out a licence?
I guess I can tell a UPC Pastor that I am Not UPC and I will not obey your UPC doctrines but still attend?

[berkeley]

It's tomorrow this morning.
Please do not make any more ex-upc threads. :)

Anyway....

I had a Catholic upbringing. At the age of 12 (7th grade) I began to question some of our traditions. I thought maybe I'd be a gnostic. By the 9th grade (14 yrs old) I considered Islam.

December 16,1996 I was with my parents visiting a family friends. They began to witness to us about the love of Jesus Christ. Compressed version, by the end of the visit I had recited the sinner's prayer and two women had placed their hands on my forehead as they spoke in tongues. Something changed in me on that evening. Henceforth I began to seek after God through the reading of the word and prayer. It wasn't long after that I thought I was called into the ministry. I began to seek God for the gift of tongues and was unsuccessful. Sooner than later I read John 3 in a different light. "...Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Water and Spirit are required. I didn't need a rocket scientist to tell me that to be born of water is to be baptized. I knew there was a change in me, but there was still something lacking. I desired for the Spirit of God to dwell within me. A few months pass and I visited a United Pentecostal Church.

I remember it as if it were yesterday. Wednesday evening, September 17,1997 I visited the First United Pentecostal Church, now known as New Life Tabernacle. As soon as I walked into the church I could feel such a strong presence of the Holy Spirit. I sat near the back of the sanctuary. I was suddenly hit with strong conviction. I began to weep almost uncontrollably. Service had not started yet. The saints were seeking God in prayer, like the old time folk used to do. Something that is less common in the UPC churches that I visit.
As the service started I regained my composure. At the altar call I proceeded to the front of the church. I knelt at the altar and began to cry out to God. Tears fell from my face like drops of rain.
Four nights later (sept. 21,1997) I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost and I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins. :)

A few years passed. I made a lot of bad decisions. We won't go there! Anyway, I began to pray "God, I want all of you! I do not want man's traditions.." We had revival services January -March? 2004. I would pray alone in a room on the east side of the church. I would weep "God.. touch me just one more time.." I don't know if my first auto accident had anything to do with the emotional roller coaster that I was experiencing at the time. One of my best friends spread a rumor about me during this time. That helped my conscience seal the deal as I had decided to stop attending church. Had I knew then that leaving would cost me precious friendships, I may have stayed.

I could go back today, if I desired. So, why don't I return? Maybe I'm just too liberal. Maybe I am too exhausted. Maybe one day I'll see the "error" of my ways and return as an ultra con. (TIC) :beatdeadhorse

I have had many great experiences in the Apostolic church. Some of my greatest memories are the times me and the guys in the youth group would spend the night at the church. We would have our own services. One would lead worship. A few would try to preach. We didn't know what we were doing. We just had a strong desire to do something for Him. It was in one of these services where the presence of God fell strongly. A young man that was unreachable fell on his face in repentance. We were so young and so naive, full of potential. My, how time has passed me on by.

I currently attend the Presbyterian church. United Pentecostal Church, namely, the Apostolic movement, "...I'll never get over you..."

[Garfield]

I guess no one is ever a Bapist or AOG or PAW with out a licence?
I guess I can tell a UPC Pastor that I am Not UPC and I will not obey your UPC doctrines but still attend?

But did you have a ministerial license? "ATTEND?". It's been done. I'm sure that anyone can attend a UPC church and not obey the "UPC doctrines". I have even read on forums about suposed to be oneness people that attend AoG, Methodist and charsmatic churches for "healings" and they declared they were oneness to the core.:dunno

[COOPER]

But did you have a ministerial license? "ATTEND?". It's been done. I'm sure that anyone can attend a UPC church and not obey the "UPC doctrines". I have even read on forums about suposed to be oneness people that attend AoG, Methodist and charsmatic churches for "healings" and they declared they were oneness to the core.:dunno
No I was not licenced, but I was Platform ministry for seventeen years.

[Garfield]

No I was not licenced, but I was Platform ministry for seventeen years.



Hmmmmm "platform ministry"? I don't recall reading about that in the NT or the manual.

[berkeley]

No I was not licenced, but I was Platform ministry for seventeen years.
well, please ignore me.. :tease

[COOPER]

Hmmmmm "platform ministry"? I don't recall reading about that in the NT or the manual.
Ok then, Let it out, :dunno what are you setting me up for?

[berkeley]

Ok then, Let it out, :dunno what are you setting me up for?
post 94 :beatdeadhorse

[LaVonne]

well, please ignore me.. :tease

Well, I'm not Coop, but I found your post to be interesting. I'm always glad when someone who has left UPC can look back and see the good. The problem is that man will let us down, people in the UPC are not perfect and will make mistakes. God, however, will not let us down! Also, something I've observed is that man can tie God's hands, so to speak. I think it's vitally important to choose your church carefully and make sure the pastor and those in leadership are spritually minded...that they believe in the Five-Fold ministry and apply it and that the Gifts of the Spirit are evident and working in the church.

[Charlie Brown]

HI! My name is Bubba, and I am ex-UPC! I want to testefly that I am freeeeeee from allll those nasty chains that them thare UPCers have tried to keep me bound with. I now can run around naked as a jay bird, and still shout the victory!! :bliss I only go to church when I feel like it, which is just when I feel like it. :heeheehee I can do as I please, cause I no longer have some mean ole' preachaman beating me like a stepchild :beatdeadhorse


I AM FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bliss



Amen??

[rgcraig]

HI! My name is Bubba, and I am ex-UPC! I want to testefly that I am freeeeeee from allll those nasty chains that them thare UPCers have tried to keep me bound with. I now can run around naked as a jay bird, and still shout the victory!! :bliss I only go to church when I feel like it, which is just when I feel like it. :heeheehee I can do as I please, cause I no longer have some mean ole' preachaman beating me like a stepchild :beatdeadhorse


I AM FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bliss



Amen??NOT! Find Snoopy and get in the dog house!

[COOPER]

Please do not make any more ex-upc threads. :)

Anyway....

I had a Catholic upbringing. At the age of 12 (7th grade) I began to question some of our traditions. I thought maybe I'd be a gnostic. By the 9th grade (14 yrs old) I considered Islam.

December 16,1996 I was with my parents visiting a family friends. They began to witness to us about the love of Jesus Christ. Compressed version, by the end of the visit I had recited the sinner's prayer and two women had placed their hands on my forehead as they spoke in tongues. Something changed in me on that evening. Henceforth I began to seek after God through the reading of the word and prayer. It wasn't long after that I thought I was called into the ministry. I began to seek God for the gift of tongues and was unsuccessful. Sooner than later I read John 3 in a different light. "...Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Water and Spirit are required. I didn't need a rocket scientist to tell me that to be born of water is to be baptized. I knew there was a change in me, but there was still something lacking. I desired for the Spirit of God to dwell within me. A few months pass and I visited a United Pentecostal Church.

I remember it as if it were yesterday. Wednesday evening, September 17,1997 I visited the First United Pentecostal Church, now known as New Life Tabernacle. As soon as I walked into the church I could feel such a strong presence of the Holy Spirit. I sat near the back of the sanctuary. I was suddenly hit with strong conviction. I began to weep almost uncontrollably. Service had not started yet. The saints were seeking God in prayer, like the old time folk used to do. Something that is less common in the UPC churches that I visit.
As the service started I regained my composure. At the altar call I proceeded to the front of the church. I knelt at the altar and began to cry out to God. Tears fell from my face like drops of rain.
Four nights later (sept. 21,1997) I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost and I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins. :)

A few years passed. I made a lot of bad decisions. We won't go there! Anyway, I began to pray "God, I want all of you! I do not want man's traditions.." We had revival services January -March? 2004. I would pray alone in a room on the east side of the church. I would weep "God.. touch me just one more time.." I don't know if my first auto accident had anything to do with the emotional roller coaster that I was experiencing at the time. One of my best friends spread a rumor about me during this time. That helped my conscience seal the deal as I had decided to stop attending church. Had I knew then that leaving would cost me precious friendships, I may have stayed.

I could go back today, if I desired. So, why don't I return? Maybe I'm just too liberal. Maybe I am too exhausted. Maybe one day I'll see the "error" of my ways and return as an ultra con. (TIC) :beatdeadhorse

I have had many great experiences in the Apostolic church. Some of my greatest memories are the times me and the guys in the youth group would spend the night at the church. We would have our own services. One would lead worship. A few would try to preach. We didn't know what we were doing. We just had a strong desire to do something for Him. It was in one of these services where the presence of God fell strongly. A young man that was unreachable fell on his face in repentance. We were so young and so naive, full of potential. My, how time has passed me on by.

I currently attend the Presbyterian church. United Pentecostal Church, namely, the Apostolic movement, "...I'll never get over you..."

Oh yes I did read it!
I have good times in The UPC too.

[Praxeas]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.
Stand up and Testify about being ex-UPC? Yes that sounds like an attempt to bash....but even more disturbing is that you would promote testifying about being ex-upc and not rather testify about how great HE is.......disappointing :dunno

[LaVonne]

Stand up and Testify about being ex-UPC? Yes that sounds like an attempt to bash....but even more disturbing is that you would promote testifying about being ex-upc and not rather testify about how great HE is.......disappointing :dunno

Ha...when I saw that post, I wondered why I needed Coop's permission to keep being UPC?! :heeheehee

[COOPER]

Stand up and Testify about being ex-UPC? Yes that sounds like an attempt to bash....but even more disturbing is that you would promote testifying about being ex-upc and not rather testify about how great HE is.......disappointing :dunno
Why does it appear to bash?
lets be honest when folks leave upc for what ever reason; they have a testimoney as to why.

Ha...when I saw that post, I wondered why I needed Coop's permission to keep being UPC?! :heeheehee
I meant to say , I ok with that and not trying to promote leaving the upc.

[Praxeas]

Why does it appear to bash?
lets be honest when folks leave upc for what ever reason; they have a testimoney as to why.
That's like saying when you go to the bathroom you have a testimony as to why...that's not a testimony. Why did you word it like that if not to bash? Why not just say "Are you Ex-UPC? Please tell us why?"

[LaVonne]

Why does it appear to bash?
lets be honest when folks leave upc for what ever reason; they have a testimoney as to why.


I meant to say , I ok with that and not trying to promote leaving the upc.

I'm sure you did Coop...I just wish you could refrain from these types of threads. Honestly, what good do they do?

[Charlie Brown]

Every time I look at this thread, I think of that song, Somebody ought to testify

[COOPER]

That's like saying when you go to the bathroom you have a testimony as to why...that's not a testimony. Why did you word it like that if not to bash? Why not just say "Are you Ex-UPC? Please tell us why?"
FOR Ex-UPC this is a good thing!

[Ronzo]

Every time I look at this thread, I think of that song, Somebody ought to testify


Every time I see your name I wanted to break into song....

"Charlie Brown... he's a clown, that Charlie Brown! He's gonna get caught. Just you wait and see!"

I'm not calling you a clown (*cough* yet *cough *). Just singing the song... :heeheehee

[Charlie Brown]

Every time I see your name I wanted to break into song....

"Charlie Brown... he's a clown, that Charlie Brown! He's gonna get caught. Just you wait and see!"

I'm not calling you a clown (*cough* yet *cough *). Just singing the song... :heeheehee

It's all good!!! :killinme

[Garfield]

Better be careful when you are bashing that you don't bash God's anointed.

[COOPER]

Better be careful when you are bashing that you don't bash God's anointed.
No one is bashing anyone?
Except my thread.

[LaVonne]

No one is bashing anyone?
Except my thread.

:tease

Wonder why?

[Hesetmefree238]

I was raised Baptist, but baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost 20 years ago. The best thing that ever happened to me was visiting
a Pentecostal revival. It was in a UPC church. It totally changed my life.
I disliked Pentecostals. I thought they were weird, oddballs, do gooders, etc... , but when I came into one of their services and the Lord paid me a
visit by his Spirit, I knew there was something at work that I was not accustomed to in my Southern Baptist Church.
So, yes I am UPC and proud of it. :bliss

[COOPER]

I was raised Baptist, but baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost 20 years ago. The best thing that ever happened to me was visiting
a Pentecostal revival. It was in a UPC church. It totally changed my life.
I disliked Pentecostals. I thought they were weird, oddballs, do gooders, etc... , but when I came into one of their services and the Lord paid me a
visit by his Spirit, I knew there was something at work that I was not accustomed to in my Southern Baptist Church.
So, yes I am UPC and proud of it. :bliss
Thats Cool Bro. {if your a bro} It was a UPC church that preached Acts 2;38 to me. I am thankful for that, for it saved my life.

[Neck]

I still consider myself UPCI.

However I just with my family have started going to a church, where the pastor is tied to Global.

I enjoy the spirit and the relationships the folks have with each other.

It is refreshing to see an exciting atmosphere and see the move of the Holy Spirit does move, save and heal down the street.

There are folks who still hold their Standard of dress beliefs.

It is great to see both sides sitting side by side.

Nathan Eckstadt

[COOPER]

I still consider myself UPCI.

However I just with my family have started going to a church, where the pastor is tied to Global.

I enjoy the spirit and the relationships the folks have with each other.

It is refreshing to see an exciting atmosphere and see the move of the Holy Spirit does move, save and heal down the street.

There are folks who still hold their Standard of dress beliefs.

It is great to see both sides sitting side by side.

Nathan Eckstadt
What is Global?

[Neck]

What is Global?

Here is the link. My new Pastor is Jeff Butler, Racine, WI.

He is one of the area leaders.

Nathan Eckstadt

http://www.global-ministries.com/default.asp

[Neck]

What is Global?

Her is the link to my new church home pastor. He is former UPCI. His famil y is from the Indianapolis church, from when N. Urshan pastored.

http://www.global-ministries.com/jeffbutler.asp

Nathan Eckstadt

[COOPER]

Her is the link to my new church home pastor. He is former UPCI. His famil y is from the Indianapolis church, from when N. Urshan pastored.

http://www.global-ministries.com/jeffbutler.asp

Nathan Eckstadt

Thanks Bro. Neck tie!:highfive

[ZeroedIn]

Upon my perusal of this thread, I found very few testifiers! Must not be many ex-es here!

Question for Cooper: In the original post you said something about those of you "that keep standards", my question is: do you keep any??

[freeatlast]

Standard? My standard is Jesus Christ and him crucified. that's the only standard in the UPC that I have ever found that is standard.

The most confusing thing about standards is that they are not standard.

COOP will back for you shortly Zeroedin

[philjones]

Mrs.Boomm, Thanks for your kindness. I am no longer bitter the way I was two years ago. I am no longer hurting and I respect those that are still UPC.
I do get annoyed at some hard ball type, but not all UPC saints are mean and radical.
Cooper


This is Greek for "most are"!:killinme :killinme :heeheehee

[philjones]

Ok, Sis. If a Pastor was fine with our family and did not feel I was a threat; that would be different.
But, just at the last Texico Youth camp meet; standards were drilled.
By the way my Girl recieved the Holy Ghost there.
A pastors wife was very kind to us. She prayed with my kids.

Greek for "someone suggested God has expectations!"

[Ronzo]

Greek for "someone suggested God has expectations!"
I don't think that's really a fair assessment, Phil.

[rgcraig]

Here is the link. My new Pastor is Jeff Butler, Racine, WI.

He is one of the area leaders.

Nathan Eckstadt

http://www.global-ministries.com/default.aspAwesome!

Love Jeff and Tami!!!!!

Ask them if they know Renda Craig.

[COOPER]

Upon my perusal of this thread, I found very few testifiers! Must not be many ex-es here!

Question for Cooper: In the original post you said something about those of you "that keep standards", my question is: do you keep any??
I am ex-UPC.
Yes I have a standard. Transmission in My Toyota.:heeheehee

[COOPER]

Greek for "someone suggested God has expectations!"
The youth got the standards hair/ skirt deal at the end.
Gods Expectations? :killinme
The way I hear it is ; if you don't hold a card in UPC you don't have to keep standards.

[rgcraig]

Is it too late to change your thread title?

Drop off the "and Testify"?

[philjones]

I don't think that's really a fair assessment, Phil.

You are right.. I left off the smileys... I meant it to be funny not profound or necessarily fair!:drawguns :ty

[COOPER]

Is it too late to change your thread title?

Drop off the "and Testify"?
How about "share your experience" ?
To be politically correct.
And if it will save peace; drop "testify" it will not hurt my feelings.

[rgcraig]

How about "share your experience" ?
To be politically correct.
And if it will save peace; drop "testify" it will not hurt my feelings.

Cool - thanks!

[COOPER]

Cool - thanks!
Looks good rgcraig. I like it.:highfive

[Thumper]

I'm Not Upc!!!!


Wooooohoooooo



*running The Aisles*

[Ronzo]

Share your experience with us, Thump.

We're here for you.

:tease

[COOPER]

I'm Not Upc!!!!


Wooooohoooooo



*running The Aisles*
Funny!!!!
I like him! :killinme

[Thumper]

Share your experience with us, Thump.

We're here for you.

:tease


What is this a support group for ex'ers

[Michael Phelps]

Share your experience with us, Thump.

We're here for you.

:tease

Start a few threads.

[Thumper]

Funny!!!!
I like him! :killinme


Yeah I just couldn't stand it anymore. They are all just a bunch of liberals

[Ronzo]

Yeah I just couldn't stand it anymore. They are all just a bunch of liberals
We love you too.

[Thumper]

We love you too.

:)

[Neck]

Awesome!

Love Jeff and Tami!!!!!

Ask them if they know Renda Craig.

Will do. I am finding out they are very good people.

Nathan Eckstadt

[rgcraig]

Will do. I am finding out they are very good people.

Nathan Eckstadt
Yes they are (and so are their friends - lol!).

[Neck]

Upon my perusal of this thread, I found very few testifiers! Must not be many ex-es here!

Question for Cooper: In the original post you said something about those of you "that keep standards", my question is: do you keep any??

I am now ex UPCI. We moved to a church not in the UPCI. We do not abide by many of the outward dress codes of the UPCI.

Many of the hardliners of standards in the UPCI are no longer in any church from over the years and not serving God.

I believe the UPCI and the churches use the Come out and be seperate issue to try and control it's members.

Otherwise there are so many Oneness choices in churches today.

I have no ill feelings nor have I been hurt as my reason to leave.

I love where I am today.

Nathan Eckstadt

[Margies3]

Upon my perusal of this thread, I found very few testifiers! Must not be many ex-es here!



I think you'd be surprised. Some of us just don't feel the need to make a big deal out of it. I'm not finding fault with Coop. Obviously this is an important issue to him. But to me, it's just not. I am what I am. If you love me this way - then good. If not - then oh well. It's your loss :) God loves me. That's all I need to know

[Ronzo]

I think you'd be surprised. Some of us just don't feel the need to make a big deal out of it.
ditto

[Michael Phelps]

I am now ex UPCI. We moved to a church not in the UPCI. We do not abide by many of the outward dress codes of the UPCI.

Many of the hardliners of standards in the UPCI are no longer in any church from over the years and not serving God.

I believe the UPCI and the churches use the Come out and be seperate issue to try and control it's members.

Otherwise there are so many Oneness choices in churches today.

I have no ill feelings nor have I been hurt as my reason to leave.

I love where I am today.

Nathan Eckstadt


Now, THIS is a great attitude! This is how it should be...........

[Michael Phelps]

I think you'd be surprised. Some of us just don't feel the need to make a big deal out of it. I'm not finding fault with Coop. Obviously this is an important issue to him. But to me, it's just not. I am what I am. If you love me this way - then good. If not - then oh well. It's your loss :) God loves me. That's all I need to know

More good stuff...........I hope Cooper is inspired by this and Nathan's testimony.

[COOPER]

I think you'd be surprised. Some of us just don't feel the need to make a big deal out of it. I'm not finding fault with Coop. Obviously this is an important issue to him. But to me, it's just not. I am what I am. If you love me this way - then good. If not - then oh well. It's your loss :) God loves me. That's all I need to know
:highfive

[berkeley]

:highfive

now repeat after me "I will not make anymore Ex UPC threads... I will not make anymore ex UPC threads.."

[COOPER]

now repeat after me "I will not make anymore Ex UPC threads... I will not make anymore ex UPC threads.."
:dunno hey put away the gun

[berkeley]

:dunno hey put away the gun
geeze.. don't be so paranoind..

[Sherri]

Her is the link to my new church home pastor. He is former UPCI. His famil y is from the Indianapolis church, from when N. Urshan pastored.

http://www.global-ministries.com/jeffbutler.asp

Nathan Eckstadt
Awesome!!! Jeff & Tami are my very best friends! Do you mean that you go to their church, or you are just under his covering in GNCM?

[Neck]

Awesome!!! Jeff & Tami are my very best friends! Do you mean that you go to their church, or you are just under his covering in GNCM?

We are attending their church in Racine, WI. Sherri send me a PM with your full name and I will say hi for u.

I have talked to pastor Butler and he and I are going to work on my starting in the ministry of preaching.

I plan on taking it slow.

It has been since 1985 that I have preached.

I went into business and not the ministry.

However I think it is time to do both.

My goal is to travel and share some of my thoughts.

It feels good to have some ministerial direction and support.

Pastor Butler seems like a very good man to work under.

We are enjoying our new church home.

For the first time in a few years we are excited when Sunday comes around...

God Bless,

Nathan Eckstadt

[Neck]

now repeat after me "I will not make anymore Ex UPC threads... I will not make anymore ex UPC threads.."

U know u are right. How many folks are walking around saying they are ex-CIA. Not many.

maybe we should do the same...

About the gun.

Have you paid your NRA dues!

[COOPER]

U know u are right. How many folks are walking around saying they are ex-CIA. Not many.

maybe we should do the same...

About the gun.

Have you paid your NRA dues!

If I walked around saying I'm ex-upc; people would ask "watz dat ?":dunno

[LadyChocolate]

right! lol...In my single years, I was talking to a guy at work and he asked me about my religion, I told him I was UPC and he said, "you are a Universal Product Code". I knew then I had to get out of my lil world!!!

Not UPC anymore...I am independent...I think...well, we've been helping out in a upc church since it's the only oneness church around. But i LOVE all God's people! UPC, Ind, ALJC, ACI, AMF..PAW etc........

[COOPER]

right! lol...In my single years, I was talking to a guy at work and he asked me about my religion, I told him I was UPC and he said, "you are a Universal Product Code". I knew then I had to get out of my lil world!!!

Not UPC anymore...I am independent...I think...well, we've been helping out in a upc church since it's the only oneness church around. But i LOVE all God's people! UPC, Ind, ALJC, ACI, AMF..PAW etc........
:thebunny :meetya

[LadyChocolate]

:thebunny :meetya

howdy coop!! ii love the chocolate smiley!!!

[ZeroedIn]

Really my question Coop was: Do you draw lines? What is sin, what isn't? Just wondering. Where do you decide to draw a line? At what point does dress become immodest? I'm just wondering where to draw a line, can you help me? I'm having trouble getting ZeroedIn!!

[Neck]

Really my question Coop was: Do you draw lines? What is sin, what isn't? Just wondering. Where do you decide to draw a line? At what point does dress become immodest? I'm just wondering where to draw a line, can you help me? I'm having trouble getting ZeroedIn!!

When you look like Jan Crouch you have gone to far....

[LadyChocolate]

When you look like Jan Crouch you have gone to far....

lolol:girlnails urgent prayer request for Jan Crouch please pray everyone, i've broken a nail and my mascara is running."

[berkeley]

U know u are right. How many folks are walking around saying they are ex-CIA. Not many.

maybe we should do the same...

About the gun.

Have you paid your NRA dues!I let my membership expire. :)

[berkeley]

Really my question Coop was: Do you draw lines? What is sin, what isn't? Just wondering. Where do you decide to draw a line? At what point does dress become immodest? I'm just wondering where to draw a line, can you help me? I'm having trouble getting ZeroedIn!!You draw the lines where the bible does. Don't add to it.. don't take away from it!

[LadyChocolate]

You draw the lines where the bible does. Don't add to it.. don't take away from it!

One of the biggest problems though is that, I can read the bible and see where to me , God has drawn the line....however, the next person will read the same thing and say that I've taken it out of context and that it doesnt' mean a certain way......ya know?

[berkeley]

One of the biggest problems though is that, I can read the bible and see where to me , God has drawn the line....however, the next person will read the same thing and say that I've taken it out of context and that it doesnt' mean a certain way......ya know?I know what you mean. The motto of some, abundans cautela non nocet.

[LadyChocolate]

I know what you mean. The motto of some, abundans cautela non nocet.

you soooooooooo lost me there!!:dunno

[berkeley]

you soooooooooo lost me there!!:dunnoSome on the conservative side of the spectrum feel that "abundant caution does no harm," abundans cautela non nocet.

[LadyChocolate]

gotcha...........

[philjones]

When you look like Jan Crouch you have gone to far....

You cannot say that unless I can say your wife wearing ANY makeup or cutting her hair is going too far! Just because Jan offends your sensibilities does not give you any more right to judge her modesty or lines than I have to judge yours.

Fact is, either you can or you can't draw lines and you should never criticize anyone who draws a line tighter or looser than yours unless you are willing to take the heat for getting up in the kitchen!

[COOPER]

Really my question Coop was: Do you draw lines? What is sin, what isn't? Just wondering. Where do you decide to draw a line? At what point does dress become immodest? I'm just wondering where to draw a line, can you help me? I'm having trouble getting ZeroedIn!!
Here is your Zeroedin:http://www.zeroedinsolutions.com/
I am not UPC.
Right now I am dressed head to toe. I have on a flannel hoody , flannel shirt, long sleeve t-shirt, long Johns, thick denim jeans and Double Insulated duck boots.
I have face hair, no-tatoos, no-pearcing, my hair is cut.
I am about to get a cup of coffee, OOOPPS! to some coffee is a drug and sin.
I hoped to have answered some of you questions.
PS: I am about to turn on My Christian Heavy Metal Web Radio.
Stryper, Kutless, Scott Stapp, Rob Rock........Etc.
here is a link: http://www.classicgod.com/Top100.htm

[COOPER]

You cannot say that unless I can say your wife wearing ANY makeup or cutting her hair is going too far! Just because Jan offends your sensibilities does not give you any more right to judge her modesty or lines than I have to judge yours.

Fact is, either you can or you can't draw lines and you should never criticize anyone who draws a line tighter or looser than yours unless you are willing to take the heat for getting up in the kitchen!
AMen DR.Phil !

[LadyChocolate]

Here is your Zeroedin:http://www.zeroedinsolutions.com/
I am not UPC.
Right now I am dressed head to toe. I have on a flannel hoody , flannel shirt, long sleeve t-shirt, long Johns, thick denim jeans and Double Insulated duck boots.
I have face hair, no-tatoos, no-pearcing, my hair is cut.
I am about to get a cup of coffee, OOOPPS! to some coffee is a drug and sin.
I hoped to have answered some of you questions.
PS: I am about to turn on My Christian Heavy Metal Web Radio.
Stryper, Kutless, Scott Stapp, Rob Rock........Etc.
here is a link: http://www.classicgod.com/Top100.htm

Dont you DARE say my coffee is a sin......ha ha ha I actually had someone tell me that if they could preach against it they would because they didn't like it and people are addicted to it!!! lol.....I just couldn't figure out though why he'd preach against that but not his Mountain "habit" lol

Ahh stryper!!!! Okay, now I asked this before but don't think I got an answer....aren't they the ones who sang,'' To hell with the Devil"?

[COOPER]

Dont you DARE say my coffee is a sin......ha ha ha I actually had someone tell me that if they could preach against it they would because they didn't like it and people are addicted to it!!! lol.....I just couldn't figure out though why he'd preach against that but not his Mountain "habit" lol

Ahh stryper!!!! Okay, now I asked this before but don't think I got an answer....aren't they the ones who sang,'' To hell with the Devil"?
I think Stryper did sing that.
I was not a big stryper fan back then, But their new stuff I like.

[LadyChocolate]

I think Stryper did sing that.
I was not a big stryper fan back then, But their new stuff I like.

I haven't listened to them in many years, so I have no clue what they sound like now.....I prefer more of black gospel....

[OneAccord]

Hey, Coop... a word of advice...

Stay outta my coffee or you'll be banned for life and then some. Now...go listen to your "music".

[LadyChocolate]

Hey, Coop... a word of advice...

Stay outta my coffee or you'll be banned for life and then some. Now...go listen to your "music".

nope, forget banning him..."Tar and Feather him"

[COOPER]

I haven't listened to them in many years, so I have no clue what they sound like now.....I prefer more of black gospel....

You would not recognize them; the sound is different than the hair band stuff.
I played the Bass for alot of black gospel songs at my old church.

[COOPER]

Hey, Coop... a word of advice...

Stay outta my coffee or you'll be banned for life and then some. Now...go listen to your "music".

nope, forget banning him..."Tar and Feather him"

Working on my second cup now.:hypercoffee

[Carpenter]

Working on my second cup now.:hypercoffee

Coop, does your wife go to church, has she ever been UPC? It doesn't look from your photo like she has...she has that innocent "bright eyed look" about her.

[LadyChocolate]

Coop, does your wife go to church, has she ever been UPC? It doesn't look from your photo like she has...she has that innocent "bright eyed look" about her.

are you saying that we women loose our "bright eyed innocent look" when we have been upc???????????????????????????? :heeheehee lol

[Neck]

You cannot say that unless I can say your wife wearing ANY makeup or cutting her hair is going too far! Just because Jan offends your sensibilities does not give you any more right to judge her modesty or lines than I have to judge yours.

Fact is, either you can or you can't draw lines and you should never criticize anyone who draws a line tighter or looser than yours unless you are willing to take the heat for getting up in the kitchen!

When the rest of the world see'e her as a clown. Then she has gone to far.

I had a friend stumble onto TBN once.

He does not go to church.

He came into work laughing and they all made a joke of her in the office.

WHen it detracts that much sir, she has gone too far.

I am a moderate on standards.

My wife wears pants and cuts her hair.

She does things in modesty.

[ZeroedIn]

Here is your Zeroedin:http://www.zeroedinsolutions.com/
I am not UPC.
Right now I am dressed head to toe. I have on a flannel hoody , flannel shirt, long sleeve t-shirt, long Johns, thick denim jeans and Double Insulated duck boots.
I have face hair, no-tatoos, no-pearcing, my hair is cut.
I am about to get a cup of coffee, OOOPPS! to some coffee is a drug and sin.
I hoped to have answered some of you questions.
PS: I am about to turn on My Christian Heavy Metal Web Radio.
Stryper, Kutless, Scott Stapp, Rob Rock........Etc.
here is a link: http://www.classicgod.com/Top100.htm


So, we all do what is right in our own eyes??:dunno

I asked for help here and don't feel like I'm getting any. I need to know where to draw the lines.:dunno I never said you didn't have lines, I just asked if you did. Now I see that when you are questioned in this area, you jump on the defensive.:ranting I asked for what is immodest and you didn't answer my question. Help me out here, seriously!! Please!!:praying

[COOPER]

So, we all do what is right in our own eyes??:dunno

I asked for help here and don't feel like I'm getting any. I need to know where to draw the lines.:dunno I never said you didn't have lines, I just asked if you did. Now I see that when you are questioned in this area, you jump on the defensive.:ranting I asked for what is immodest and you didn't answer my question. Help me out here, seriously!! Please!!:praying
This thread is about ex-upc.
What you do and I do is not really that important. :dunno
Some ex-upc are even more strict than upc.
Yes, I will avoid your question for now.
Because what I do is non of your concern, nor what you do is mine.
Peace.

[COOPER]

This thread is about ex-upc.
What you do and I do is not really that important. :dunno
Some ex-upc are even more strict than upc.
Yes, I will avoid your question for now.
Because what I do is non of your concern, nor what you do is mine.
Peace.

Bump for Zero

[Carpenter]

are you saying that we women loose our "bright eyed innocent look" when we have been upc???????????????????????????? :heeheehee lol

LOL!! I KNEW someone was going to jump on that!

I would say to a certain extent...to an extent. :killinme

[Carpenter]

So, we all do what is right in our own eyes??:dunno

I asked for help here and don't feel like I'm getting any. I need to know where to draw the lines.:dunno I never said you didn't have lines, I just asked if you did. Now I see that when you are questioned in this area, you jump on the defensive.:ranting I asked for what is immodest and you didn't answer my question. Help me out here, seriously!! Please!!:praying

Let me see if I can help.

Your question is "What is immodest?" correct?

Ok, assuming that is the case, here you go.

You have to be the judge of what is immodest to you. WHO do you or any of us think we are when we think we can simply look at someone and estimate what level of modesty that individual is supposed to have.

In fact, let me ask you this. You do not look for or at people and say to yourself, "hmm, he is modest, she is dressed modest, that outfit, that clothing is modest..."

No!! You/we pick out people that may not hold the same convictions, and you/we look at them, make a judgement that this person could possibly cause us to lust in our heart, we lust, and therefore we proclaim them to be immodest with a certain indignance that feigns repentance for LOOKING in the first place.

So there you have it.

[Ferd]

Let me see if I can help.

Your question is "What is immodest?" correct?

Ok, assuming that is the case, here you go.

You have to be the judge of what is immodest to you. WHO do you or any of us think we are when we think we can simply look at someone and estimate what level of modesty that individual is supposed to have.

In fact, let me ask you this. You do not look for or at people and say to yourself, "hmm, he is modest, she is dressed modest, that outfit, that clothing is modest..."

No!! You/we pick out people that may not hold the same convictions, and you/we look at them, make a judgement that this person could possibly cause us to lust in our heart, we lust, and therefore we proclaim them to be immodest with a certain indignance that feigns repentance for LOOKING in the first place.

So there you have it.

you lost me at the emboldened.

Bro, this is where we start walking different paths.

Every person on the planet reguardless of their background, faith, or "level of conviction" should be expected to maintain a certain (desernable) level of modesty. I never met a person who violated that baseline level that didnt have issues in a bigtime way.

Congratulations, you just left liberal and went radical.

[ZeroedIn]

Let me see if I can help.

Your question is "What is immodest?" correct?

Ok, assuming that is the case, here you go.

You have to be the judge of what is immodest to you. WHO do you or any of us think we are when we think we can simply look at someone and estimate what level of modesty that individual is supposed to have.

In fact, let me ask you this. You do not look for or at people and say to yourself, "hmm, he is modest, she is dressed modest, that outfit, that clothing is modest..."

No!! You/we pick out people that may not hold the same convictions, and you/we look at them, make a judgement that this person could possibly cause us to lust in our heart, we lust, and therefore we proclaim them to be immodest with a certain indignance that feigns repentance for LOOKING in the first place.
So there you have it.

For the bold-Yes, I do, sometimes at Wal-Mart I see peopleand I think to myself, would you please put some clothes on!!

For the italics-I don't do what you mentioned here. I'm wondering where I need to draw lines so that I won't be immodest! Please help me! Why not help me out here?? I am an ex-UPC saint and I just don't know where to start over!

[ILuvFPC]

I am ex-upc.. I was raised in the upc.. baptized in Jesus' name in a upc church and first filled w/ the Holy Ghost in a upc camp ground.. the upc has done much good in the world.. yet i am very saddened by the direction alot of upc churches are taking.. seems they are getting more and more worldly everyday.. not all.. some... there are many many good strong churches left.. and i'm not one to condemn to hell those who are more liberal minded than myself.. i just don't want to go to church there! :)
i go to an independent church now and i haven't regretted one second of it! If i had to move to a different area where there was no conservative church i would go to a more liberal upc church that no church at all.. by all means.. I am NOT throwing stones @ UPC!!

[Hesetmefree238]

Let me see if I can help.

Your question is "What is immodest?" correct?

Ok, assuming that is the case, here you go.

You have to be the judge of what is immodest to you. WHO do you or any of us think we are when we think we can simply look at someone and estimate what level of modesty that individual is supposed to have.

In fact, let me ask you this. You do not look for or at people and say to yourself, "hmm, he is modest, she is dressed modest, that outfit, that clothing is modest..."

No!! You/we pick out people that may not hold the same convictions, and you/we look at them, make a judgement that this person could possibly cause us to lust in our heart, we lust, and therefore we proclaim them to be immodest with a certain indignance that feigns repentance for LOOKING in the first place.

So there you have it.


The Bible does not explicitly say what is and what is not modest in terms of dress. It does tell us their should be distinction between the sexes and that
we should be modest. Modestly is just common sense. For instance,
our conscience tells us a G string is displaying too much flesh. For that matter
I believe a normal bikini would be as well.
Now does the scripture explicitly tell us exactly where the modestly line is at or not at? No, but I believe if one lives within the standards of modesty that have been taught in our churches then one certainly does not have to worry about crossing the line of immodesty and offending the Lord. I am not saying everything we teach is heaven or hell (dress length etc...), but it is certainly safe. I would rather lean too far to the safe side, than walk too far on the
worldy side and be wrong.
I believe in the concept and principle of modesty in adornment. I will not say
every standard is heaven or hell, but I believe it is right to be modest, and it
is wrong to be immodest.

[LadyChocolate]

The bible does tell us to keep our thighs covered! I at least know that much...:heeheehee

[Carpenter]

you lost me at the emboldened.

Bro, this is where we start walking different paths.

Every person on the planet reguardless of their background, faith, or "level of conviction" should be expected to maintain a certain (desernable) level of modesty. I never met a person who violated that baseline level that didnt have issues in a bigtime way.

Congratulations, you just left liberal and went radical.

Radical? Give me a break Fird.

Ferd, your expectations mean absolutely nothing because you cannot live up to the bar that I would set for you.

It is a good thing you don't live your life to please me, you would be a miserable wretch...and vice versa.

Ok, we are talking about baseline expectations? Well, I believe that society has a baseline for decency and modesty and would frown on the same things you would. We are expected to wear certain things in certain places, and those who are found to be in compromising situations do not find themselves within our societal norms.

[Carpenter]

For the bold-Yes, I do, sometimes at Wal-Mart I see peopleand I think to myself, would you please put some clothes on!!

For the italics-I don't do what you mentioned here. I'm wondering where I need to draw lines so that I won't be immodest! Please help me! Why not help me out here?? I am an ex-UPC saint and I just don't know where to start over!

We all see people that according to our societal norms, as I mentioned previously, need to modify their appearance.

Are we on a different spiritual plane than those around us where we can become spiritually indignant because a girl is wearing small, tight, and see-through, but we are guilty of having a judgemental attitide.

What of those who haven't been taught better, what if they have horrible backgrounds and that is what causes them to have a careless attitude.

Just be normal for crying out loud...

[Carpenter]

The Bible does not explicitly say what is and what is not modest in terms of dress. It does tell us their should be distinction between the sexes and that
we should be modest. Modestly is just common sense. For instance,
our conscience tells us a G string is displaying too much flesh. For that matter
I believe a normal bikini would be as well.
Now does the scripture explicitly tell us exactly where the modestly line is at or not at? No, but I believe if one lives within the standards of modesty that have been taught in our churches then one certainly does not have to worry about crossing the line of immodesty and offending the Lord. I am not saying everything we teach is heaven or hell (dress length etc...), but it is certainly safe. I would rather lean too far to the safe side, than walk too far on the
worldy side and be wrong.
I believe in the concept and principle of modesty in adornment. I will not say
every standard is heaven or hell, but I believe it is right to be modest, and it
is wrong to be immodest.


You keep crossing back and forth over the tracks of standards, common sense, church culture, modesty, and scriptural tennant, and each has a very distinct application in this discussion.

[Carpenter]

I am ex-upc.. I was raised in the upc.. baptized in Jesus' name in a upc church and first filled w/ the Holy Ghost in a upc camp ground.. the upc has done much good in the world.. yet i am very saddened by the direction alot of upc churches are taking.. seems they are getting more and more worldly everyday.. not all.. some... there are many many good strong churches left.. and i'm not one to condemn to hell those who are more liberal minded than myself.. i just don't want to go to church there! :)
i go to an independent church now and i haven't regretted one second of it! If i had to move to a different area where there was no conservative church i would go to a more liberal upc church that no church at all.. by all means.. I am NOT throwing stones @ UPC!!

I am always curious when someone says that the UPC is becomming more "worldly". What does that mean, pleeeeese, tell me.

[Garfield]

I am always curious when someone says that the UPC is becomming more "worldly". What does that mean, pleeeeese, tell me.

Short sleeves? But probably not this month.:tease

[rgcraig]

The bible does tell us to keep our thighs covered! I at least know that much...:heeheehee

The Bible doesn't have to tell me to do that - I know that all by myself!!!!!:killinme

[Margies3]

The bible does tell us to keep our thighs covered! I at least know that much...:heeheehee

You got a scripture for that????

[Praxeas]

I am always curious when someone says that the UPC is becomming more "worldly". What does that mean, pleeeeese, tell me.
I wish they would stop saying that....it might attract people like Cooper back :killinme

[Carpenter]

I wish they would stop saying that....it might attract people like Cooper back :killinme

That was about as funny as a shovel to the head...

Care to give the question a real answer?

[rrford]

That was about as funny as a shovel to the head...

Care to give the question a real answer?

What do you think it means? Besides the obvious?

[Carpenter]

What do you think it means? Besides the obvious?

Really, I am not sure. The term "worldly" is pretty old. I am sure my grandparents used it on my mom when she was coming up.

What exactly does it mean when someone laments that, "The UPC is getting/becomming/is too worldly?"

I have no idea.

Does it mean they are beginning to fall away from standards? And is that worldly? Does it mean the culture is moving toward the butterfly whisping charasmatics? Does it mean the preacher doesn't preach on hell anymore?

What~!

[rrford]

Really, I am not sure. The term "worldly" is pretty old. I am sure my grandparents used it on my mom when she was coming up.

What exactly does it mean when someone laments that, "The UPC is getting/becomming/is too worldly?"

I have no idea.

Does it mean they are beginning to fall away from standards? And is that worldly? Does it mean the culture is moving toward the butterfly whisping charasmatics? Does it mean the preacher doesn't preach on hell anymore?

What~!

Personally, I think it means that it's identity is no longer as distinct from the world as it once was. Identities are not relegated to singular criteria.

[rgcraig]

I think to them it means a few different things.

1. That they are looking like the world (letting down the UPC standards).
2. That they are participating in things that use to be icksnay (i.e. movies, tv, etc.)
3. More interested in their careers, homes, and not as interested in attending church.

Not my views, but what I "think" they mean.

[berkeley]

I think to them it means a few different things.

1. That they are looking like the world (letting down the UPC standards).
2. That they are participating in things that use to be icksnay (i.e. movies, tv, etc.)
3. More interested in their careers, homes, and not as interested in attending church.

Not my views, but what I "think" they mean.
Not sure about number 3, but 1 and 2 are on target. Everything was a sin back in Epley's young days!! (not pickin on Epley, but using him to represent the older school of thought)
Genuine backsliders (almost an oxymoron) give liberals a bad name. When I say that I are liberal, to some that means that I am a drunkard frequenting brothels.

Now, due to my observations online and in the real world I have come to this conclusion:
liberals, ie, the Christ Church Nashville type may not emphasize some things as much as some of us would like (not that it matters, most of us do not attend CC), but they have got it together.

My observations of many UPC liberals is that they are not liberal christians as far as standards are concerned, but liberal in the sense that they have a real love for things of this world.

L

[The Mrs]

In my mind, being 'worldly' meant that you were wearing the current fashions that the rest of the 'world' was wearing.

If you were a man, you had your hair cut in the same trends that was 'in' at the moment.

The women would style their hair in a similar fashion that the 'worldly' women were wearing theirs.

If you ask me...anybody using the term 'worldly' as a way of protesting these things ought to take a long hard look in the mirror, and realize your grampa said the SAME THING to your dad, that your dad said to you, that you are now saying to your son.

Fashions of this world change. The only way to get away with NOT being labeled as being 'worldly' is to wait 2-5 years after the fashions have faded and are no longer current, THEN wear them. Which is what I did. :D

[COOPER]

I wish they would stop saying that....it might attract people like Cooper back :killinme

Save me a spot on that pew;:highfive beside you.

[COOPER]

The Bible doesn't have to tell me to do that - I know that all by myself!!!!!:killinme
It don't have to tell to keep my shirt on either!:heeheehee
I have a body like a god.
.................................................B udda!

[ZeroedIn]

Ok, no one has really helped me so far. Where do I draw lines? Or is that something I just decide for myself??:sad I just really don't know and I need a guide.:dunno

[Carpenter]

Personally, I think it means that it's identity is no longer as distinct from the world as it once was. Identities are not relegated to singular criteria.

Well, it seems there is a parallel between yours, Renda's and the Mrs. posts indicating to me that when folks make the statement that the UPC is getting more and more worldly, essentially what they are saying is that they are losing their cultural differentiation from not only mainstream religion, but mainstream society?

Is that necessarily worldly as in EGYPT=World=Sin?

[Carpenter]

Ok, no one has really helped me so far. Where do I draw lines? Or is that something I just decide for myself??:sad I just really don't know and I need a guide.:dunno

Who can have and maintain your walk with God better than you can? Your lines are or should be drawn through your own prayer life, reading scripture, and your communion with the Lord Jesus, sans any peer or societal pressure from any direction.

[Michael Phelps]

Ok, no one has really helped me so far. Where do I draw lines? Or is that something I just decide for myself??:sad I just really don't know and I need a guide.:dunno

Try the Bible.

[Carpenter]

Try the Bible.

You could have just written, "yea...what Carpenter said."

That would have just killed you right?
:toofunny :lol :ursofunny :slaphappy :lol

[berkeley]

It don't have to tell to keep my shirt on either!:heeheehee
I have a body like a god.
.................................................B udda!
eww gross..

[LadyChocolate]

You got a scripture for that????

Sorry to get back to you so late....Yes, lets see:
.....in telling them how to make their garments they were commanded to cover the thigh...
Ex. 28:42
And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach....

...implying that when you uncover your thigh, that your shame will be seen.
Is. 47:2,3
Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg,
uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.

Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a ......

anyway, those are the scripts I have....and they are KJV....but they pretty much say the same thing in the other versions......

God bless ya Sis.

[LadyChocolate]

Sorry to get back to you so late....Yes, lets see:
.....in telling them how to make their garments they were commanded to cover the thigh...
Ex. 28:42
And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach....

...implying that when you uncover your thigh, that your shame will be seen.
Is. 47:2,3
Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg,
uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.

Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a ......

anyway, those are the scripts I have....and they are KJV....but they pretty much say the same thing in the other versions......

God bless ya Sis.

BUMP for Margies! Sorry it took so long to get back with it!

[Steve Epley]

Sorry to get back to you so late....Yes, lets see:
.....in telling them how to make their garments they were commanded to cover the thigh...
Ex. 28:42
And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach....

...implying that when you uncover your thigh, that your shame will be seen.
Is. 47:2,3
Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg,
uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.

Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a ......

anyway, those are the scripts I have....and they are KJV....but they pretty much say the same thing in the other versions......

God bless ya Sis.

And was just their undergarments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Margies3]

BUMP for Margies! Sorry it took so long to get back with it!

Thank you, Lady Chocolate, for taking the time to hunt up all those scriptures for me. I'm going to have to do some more studying on this. But this gives me something to start out with. I appreciate it.

[Debra]

Sorry to get back to you so late....Yes, lets see:
.....in telling them how to make their garments they were commanded to cover the thigh...
Ex. 28:42
And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach....

...implying that when you uncover your thigh, that your shame will be seen.
Is. 47:2,3
Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg,
uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.

Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a ......

anyway, those are the scripts I have....and they are KJV....but they pretty much say the same thing in the other versions......

God bless ya Sis.

And was just their undergarments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...so then it is correct then???? I've heard it is just modesty that you cover your thighs but looks like their is clear evidence that you are too cover up your thighs specifically... Sounds good to me! I like having the word of God backing up what I believe!!!!!!!!

[Revelationist]

Ex UPC, my experiance would be tiresome to read.... none of you in the UPC would even believe it... : )

Jerry Moon

[COOPER]

Ex UPC, my experiance would be tiresome to read.... none of you in the UPC would even believe it... : )

Jerry Moon
Do share!

[Revelationist]

Do share!

Bro. Cooper, I might share it priviatly some time, but I really don't think that it would be good to post my story publicly... : )

[Sarah]

Bro. Cooper, I might share it priviatly some time, but I really don't think that it would be good to post my story publicly... : )



I agree......it wouldn't be a good idea to post your story publicly. Thanks for not doing so!

[COOPER]

I agree......it wouldn't be a good idea to post your story publicly. Thanks for not doing so!

:dunno huh?

[AmazingGrace]

I have a question, not that admin look at this thread too often. But since coop has continually kept these threads going over at least 3 forums now and we know this is going to be an every day occurance/bump.... do you think maybe it could be in the blog area.??? Just a t hought... It gets old seeing this thread on the front page of the fellowship hall once or twice a day. I know when I go to the fellowship hall I dont want to see disgruntled members hashing it all out there! Just a thought???? :beatdeadhorse

[COOPER]

I have a question, not that admin look at this thread too often. But since coop has continually kept these threads going over at least 3 forums now and we know this is going to be an every day occurance/bump.... do you think maybe it could be in the blog area.??? Just a t hought... It gets old seeing this thread on the front page of the fellowship hall once or twice a day. I know when I go to the fellowship hall I dont want to see disgruntled members hashing it all out there! Just a thought???? :beatdeadhorse
I did not bump. you Posted and brought it up.
Sounds like you have a pet peeve, or just one of the few that likes to pick on the Coop.:dunno
It gets old too, when folks like you gripe, whine, complain, cry, protest my one and only ex-upc thread.
Go start your own thread.
Stay off of this one. Maybey if you don't post on it you will not see it for a while.

[LadyChocolate]

I did not bump. you Posted and brought it up.
Sounds like you have a pet peeve, or just one of the few that likes to pick on the Coop.:dunno
It gets old too, when folks like you gripe, whine, complain, cry, protest my one and only ex-upc thread.
Go start your own thread.
Stay off of this one. Maybey if you don't post on it you will not see it for a while.

poor coop.....this conservative doesn't mind your thread..........I find it interesting to see the many views of others............and i don't think it is like the ones in the past.....but I'm ex upc....however, I went futher to the right when I left!!!!!!!!!!!!:heeheehee

[Sarah]

:dunno huh?



He (Revelationist) said he didn't think it would be a good idea to post his UPC experience (obviously bad) on a public forum. I merely said I agree with him.

[COOPER]

He (Revelationist) said he didn't think it would be a good idea to post his UPC experience (obviously bad) on a public forum. I merely said I agree with him.

Oh .. ok .....
Just wondering if you had some insider trading info.:heeheehee

[ZeroedIn]

And was just their undergarments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It really is interesting to see undergarments hanging out?!:killinme :killinme

So if it only applies to undergarments, don't you usually cover your undergarments??:dunno

Lets hope you do!:killinme

If the undergarments were to cover the thigh, then logic dictates that the outer garments covered the undergarments, I think that's what is meant by "under":heeheehee

I'm starting to see where to draw some lines Coop!!:ty :ty :ty :highfive

[Rhymis]

Are you Ex-UPC? Share your experience!

:friend :hug4 :kiss

[ReformedDave]

Are you Ex-UPC? Share your experience!

:friend :hug4 :kiss

Why????

[Rhymis]

Why????

"And others say 'Why not?'" :killinme

[ReformedDave]

"And others say 'Why not?'" :killinme

Even though I'm not a part I see no benefit in expressing my differences.

What don't you ask Bill Price? He is, isn't, is, isn't, is......I think.

[COOPER]

It really is interesting to see undergarments hanging out?!:killinme :killinme

So if it only applies to undergarments, don't you usually cover your undergarments??:dunno

Lets hope you do!:killinme

If the undergarments were to cover the thigh, then logic dictates that the outer garments covered the undergarments, I think that's what is meant by "under":heeheehee

I'm starting to see where to draw some lines Coop!!:ty :ty :ty :highfive

you will not be seeing my Scooby-Doo boxers!:highfive

[COOPER]

Are you Ex-UPC? Share your experience!

:friend :hug4 :kiss

Warning! bumping this thread makes people grumpy!:heeheehee

[COOPER]

you will not be seeing my Scooby-Doo boxers!:highfive

Scooby Dooby DOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hammondb3klingon1]

I am a member of the IEEE, went to MIT, and was a member of the UPC but I went AOL in 1989 for the USMC but still stayed S A V E D and on my way to the Pearly Gates (<-Not bill's brother) to see JESUS. SO I do not C A R E what U call yourself, just as Long as you R B O R N A G A I N of the water and the spirit you can then be my B R O / S I S

[COOPER]

I am a member of the IEEE, went to MIT, and was a member of the UPC but I went AOL in 1989 for the USMC but still stayed S A V E D and on my way to the Pearly Gates (<-Not bill's brother) to see JESUS. SO I do not C A R E what U call yourself, just as Long as you R B O R N A G A I N of the water and the spirit you can then be my B R O / S I S

Ah, I see you speak alpha.

[COOPER]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.

:friend

[COOPER]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.

:tiphat This is not a bash against UPCI.

[Joelel]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.

Hi ,I'm X UPC and have been sence 1970 right after I received the Holy Ghost In one of their Churches.The Lord real quick led me out and I wonder why others don't come out.I believe in a greater Holiness Standard then they do.Most who leave let down any standards they did have. I believe.

This Is a very important subject concerning our dress and the owning of worldly things. The scripture teaches love not the world or the things of the world, If any person loves the world and the things of the world the love of the father is not in him.

The scripture Is very clear about we are not to dress ourselves in anything that is expensive. If we are not to dress in expensive dress then we are not to own anything expensive. We are also not to own anything we don't need.

The bible say with food and raiment we are to be content.In the bible using the word gold we understand that we are not to dress in expensive dress. A meek spirit don't wear or own expensive things.

Note here the scripture says gold and pearls or costly array. It don't say jewelry, although jewelry is extreme dressing and a lot is costly.We are to sell everything we don't have need of and give to the poor.

1 Peter 3:3: Whose adorning( Dressing) let it not be that outward adorning( Dressing) of plaiting the hair, (Interweaving and knotting of the hair) and of wearing of gold,(Expensive things) or of putting on of (expensive) apparel;

: But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

1 Tim.2:9: In like manner also, that women adorn (Dress) themselves in modest (descent,not extreme) apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Acts2:44: And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45: And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need

Acts4:32: And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33: And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34: Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35: And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

1 Tim.5: Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.6: But godliness with contentment is great gain.

7: For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.8: And having food and raiment let us be therewith content

Math.6:19: Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:20: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

1 Tim.6:17] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;[18] That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;[19] Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

This is just a start.

[Rhoni]

I think you carry things a bit far, but if that is what you feel it takes you to be saved then go for it. As for me...I will accept the fact I can't make myself holy or worthy no matter how hard I work for the church, or how holy I may try to dress. Jesus loves me just as I am.

Blessings, Rhoni

[COOPER]

Hi ,I'm X UPC and have been sence 1970 right after I received the Holy Ghost In one of their Churches.

This is just a start.
Another one of them YAW-WAY type?


:ignore :aaa :bolt :groan

[COOPER]

I think you carry things a bit far, but if that is what you feel it takes you to be saved then go for it. As for me...I will accept the fact I can't make myself holy or worthy no matter how hard I work for the church, or how holy I may try to dress. Jesus loves me just as I am.

Blessings, Rhoni
I hope this Guy is NOT;

The White born in the USA Masionic Jewish Apostolic Type.

I was born named John, But now it is Yohahn Sabala mickey-mousa-boo boo.

[COOPER]

Disclaimer:This is not a bash against UPCI.
Those who still are in the UPCI and keep standards.
Keep on like you are.
:friend


Are you Ex-UPC??? No-longer keep the traditional UPCI standards?
Tell us about your self.

:tiphat