AOG's Minister's Wife Killed By Son in Ohio

[Cindy]

http://news.aol.com/article/ohio-teen-killed-mom-over-video-game/302589

Ohio Teen Killed Mom Over Video GameBy M.R. KROPKO, AP
ELYRIA, Ohio (Jan. 13) - Although a teenager's obsession with a violent video game may have warped his sense of reality, the boy is guilty of murdering his mother and wounding his father after they took "Halo 3" away from him, a judge ruled Monday.

[rgcraig]

Cindy, I posted the first little bit of the article to help attract interest.

[Ron]

That is very sad.
If I have a say, my kids are not going to even bring video games of that nature in the house!

[MissBrattified]

I'm glad his father lived to tell the truth about what happened.

[Elizabeth]

This story brings back memories.

When I was in high school we had 2 head line news killings done by teens.

One of thekillings was by a boys in my class, He killed his parents and buried them in the backyard.

He did not watch video games and he did not attend church. But I will tell you as a parent I feel so differently about news like this, than I did way back then. Kids just do not have a clue, this young man will forever carry around with him that killed his own mother over a dumb game!

So sad what a waste!

[Cindy]

Cindy, I posted the first little bit of the article to help attract interest.

Thanks, Renda. This just breaks my heart.

[Timmy]

Not quite sure why the insanity plea didn't work. But, I don't have all the facts.

[Ron]

This world is in a bad way & it only is going to get worse!

[Cindy]

This story brings back memories.

When I was in high school we had 2 head line news killings done by teens.

One of thekillings was by a boys in my class, He killed his parents and buried them in the backyard.

He did not watch video games and he did not attend church. But I will tell you as a parent I feel so differently about news like this, than I did way back then. Kids just do not have a clue, this young man will forever carry around with him that killed his own mother over a dumb game!

So sad what a waste!

We had a family shot, stabbed, and burned to death, including siblings, here in our area. The Dad survived being shot and crawled to a neighbor's for help. The daughter and her friend's did it because the parents didn't want her dating her boyfriend.
There were 4 teens involved. All those lives gone, and wasted.

[Cindy]

Not quite sure why the insanity plea didn't work. But, I don't have all the facts.

Because he was able to plan it Timmy. It didn't happen right away.

[Pressing-On]

Very sad! There are some video games that I think should be outlawed, but that won't happen.

[Timmy]

Because he was able to plan it Timmy. It didn't happen right away.

I guess. But the judge didn't think the kid knew they would stay dead. That sounds insane, to me.

[Sister Alvear]

so sad anf tragic...

[Sherri]

http://news.aol.com/article/ohio-teen-killed-mom-over-video-game/302589

Ohio Teen Killed Mom Over Video GameBy M.R. KROPKO, AP
ELYRIA, Ohio (Jan. 13) - Although a teenager's obsession with a violent video game may have warped his sense of reality, the boy is guilty of murdering his mother and wounding his father after they took "Halo 3" away from him, a judge ruled Monday.
Where did it say it was a pastor's son? I missed that, I guess.

[Esther]

While I was out of town for the holidays they had a teenage girl that had threatened to kill another cheerleader.

She couldn't seem to understand what the big deal was. She said, "I wasn't going to hurt her, I was just going to kill her". I wonder if these games and movies has taken reality away from these kids?

[brotherjason]

That's a shame, we live in a culture that teaches pulling the trigger has no repercussions what so ever. I saw a Star Wars game my kids had, you had to point the gun and shoot people coming at you. They are breaking down kids sense of reality and remorse. All the violent acts kids see everyday on tv for those that have cable, this world is turning into a scary place.

[Cindy]

Where did it say it was a pastor's son? I missed that, I guess.

In the article it said his Dad was a minister, not a Pastor.

[Cindy]

While I was out of town for the holidays they had a teenage girl that had threatened to kill another cheerleader.

She couldn't seem to understand what the big deal was. She said, "I wasn't going to hurt her, I was just going to kill her". I wonder if these games and movies has taken reality away from these kids?

Too much unreality, reality in TV, movies, and video's.

[James Griffin]

Not quite sure why the insanity plea didn't work. But, I don't have all the facts.

Because he was able to plan it Timmy. It didn't happen right away.

Actually based on the quote from the judge I don't know why it did not fly either.

Premeditation is not so much a consideration in insanity, usually it goes more toward say reducing a charge from first degree murder to manslaughter.

The judge admitted he believed the child lived in a fantasy world and did not believe "they would be dead forever."

Would not be surprised if judge's comments give rise to excellent grounds to appeal the verdict.

[Cindy]

Actually based on the quote from the judge I don't know why it did not fly either.

Premeditation is not so much a consideration in insanity, usually it goes more toward say reducing a charge from first degree murder to manslaughter.

The judge admitted he believed the child lived in a fantasy world and did not believe "they would be dead forever."

Would not be surprised if judge's comments give rise to excellent grounds to appeal the verdict.

But does that provide for a legal insanity defense? Or that the judge ruled wrongly?
And do all states have the same guidelines?

[James Griffin]

But does that provide for a legal insanity defense? Or that the judge ruled wrongly?
And do all states have the same guidelines?

Texas guidelines are actually the hardest of the 50 states.

I have no idea if judge ruled incorrectly not knowing all the facts, but in every state insanity is based at its core on knowledge of right and wrong, and by implication understanding consequences of action.

The article reads as though it were a judges verdict as opposed to jury.

If the judge found him guilty of murder, rejected an insanity plea, and then tells the press he does NOT believe the child fully understood the consequences of his action?

[pelathais]

That is very sad.
If I have a say, my kids are not going to even bring video games of that nature in the house!
It's a horrible case - and I play Halo with my kids. Just FWIW.

[pelathais]

While I was out of town for the holidays they had a teenage girl that had threatened to kill another cheerleader.

She couldn't seem to understand what the big deal was. She said, "I wasn't going to hurt her, I was just going to kill her". I wonder if these games and movies has taken reality away from these kids?
Similar disassociations have been shown to have occurred in antiquity. Reality is a funny thing to absorb - and if it's not integrated into a person's being then all kinds of delusions can happen. I would suspect with the very real violence of the by-gone ages being what it was, people (especially young people) slipped in and out of delusions as a defense mechanism all of the time.

Humans may even have adapted their minds to this kind of state to the point that such a mechanism can be mistriggered by any sort of input.

[Timmy]

Deanna Laney (http://www.courttv.com/trials/laney/040304_verdict_ctv.html) was found not guilty by reason of insanity, though the killings were apparently planned for some time.

[James Griffin]

Similar disassociations have been shown to have occurred in antiquity. Reality is a funny thing to absorb - and if it's not integrated into a person's being then all kinds of delusions can happen. I would suspect with the very real violence of the by-gone ages being what it was, people (especially young people) slipped in and out of delusions as a defense mechanism all of the time.

Humans may even have adapted their minds to this kind of state to the point that such a mechanism can be mistriggered by any sort of input.

Perhaps there is some truth to this, it is also true there has never been a generation where so many visually graphic murders have been presented. In some movies the body count can be over a 100. Then add the advent of video games such as Grand Theft Auto where the child is interactively responsible for killing innocent people.

When my sons were younger and first became exposed to such things (movies, video games like this were not around then) I always made it a point to explain that was pretend, do you understand the difference.

[James Griffin]

Actually based on the quote from the judge I don't know why it did not fly either.

Premeditation is not so much a consideration in insanity, usually it goes more toward say reducing a charge from first degree murder to manslaughter.

The judge admitted he believed the child lived in a fantasy world and did not believe "they would be dead forever."

Would not be surprised if judge's comments give rise to excellent grounds to appeal the verdict.

Deanna Laney (http://www.courttv.com/trials/laney/040304_verdict_ctv.html) was found not guilty by reason of insanity, though it was apparently planned for some time.

Bump for Timmy

[Timmy]

Bump for Timmy

Yeah, I was agreeing, by showing that example.

[MissBrattified]

www.pluggedinonline.com is a great place to review games, videos, movies, etc., BEFORE you expose your kids to them.

Plugged In's review on Halo 3 (http://www.pluggedinonline.com/games/games/a0003861.cfm)


I'm not ready to chalk this young man's violent actions up to the influence of a game, BUT we should be careful what we expose our children to. My oldest daughter is 13, but she still isn't allowed to watch PG-13 movies. None of them have been deemed appropriate enough to pass her parent's watchful eyes.

The point is, we are remiss in our parental obligations if we don't carefully filter what goes into the tender eyes and ears of our children, and worse, with interactive video games, they can actually role play and interact with the characters, which further ingrains it into their psyche. Anyone who teaches knows that the more senses you use to teach a lesson, the more likely the child is to retain it. Interactive video games use sound, sight, touch & feel. Can't get much more influential than that!

It would be stupid to assume media doesn't affect them. Scientific studies have proven that children are more susceptible and malleable than adults, which is probably why God saw fit to place them in the care of an ADULT until they can make good decisions on their own.

[James Griffin]

www.pluggedinonline.com is a great place to review games, videos, movies, etc., BEFORE you expose your kids to them.

Plugged In's review on Halo 3 (http://www.pluggedinonline.com/games/games/a0003861.cfm)


I'm not ready to chalk this young man's violent actions up to the influence of a game, BUT we should be careful what we expose our children to. My oldest daughter is 13, but she still isn't allowed to watch PG-13 movies. None of them have been deemed appropriate enough to pass her parent's watchful eyes.

The point is, we are remiss in our parental obligations if we don't carefully filter what goes into the tender eyes and ears of our children, and worse, with interactive video games, they can actually role play and interact with the characters, which further ingrains it into their psyche. Anyone who teaches knows that the more senses you use to teach a lesson, the more likely the child is to retain it. Interactive video games use sound, sight, touch & feel. Can't get much more influential than that!

It would be stupid to assume media doesn't affect them. Scientific studies have proven that children are more susceptible and malleable than adults, which is probably why God saw fit to place them in the care of an ADULT until they can make good decisions on their own.

True, and in that vein this is a partial quote from a series of posts I made on another forum:

"The biggest challenge right now is integrated technology, the only real filter is the Holy Ghost.

The technology does not exist to filter cellphones. Therefore no fool proof way to keep it off you child's phone.

It is predicted that porn by phone will go from virtually zero to multi-billion in a couple years.

Furthermore things which most Apostolics would consider harmless-Hand held games.

Some have the ability to go into wifi hotspots so the kids have the ability to challenge each other online.

So what? Well, they also have built in I-Explorer which means once again unfiltered, unsupervised internet access.

The only hope: quit preaching against technology and start preaching Christ, holiness, and inner braces.

I have to agree with the premise it is now impossible to externally filter our kids, families and saints the way it was a few years ago. Then it was simply don't own a TV or go to the movies. Sorry won't work now.

My youngest daughter is part of a pilot program all 1,500 students at her high school are REQUIRED to use school issued laptops.

The parents were assured all filters were in place, the kids could not even get on MySpace. Took the kids about a week to figure out ways around them.

I have spent A LOT of time with my daughters over the past few years in very frank and and candid discussions about what is out there, how to avoid it and why.

Those who know me know I almost never post is this tone. But for this one to me there is no middle ground.

Some will insist on staying Apostolic Amish.

The only way to win this battle is to focus on inner braces more than external stimulus."

[pelathais]

Perhaps there is some truth to this, it is also true there has never been a generation where so many visually graphic murders have been presented. In some movies the body count can be over a 100. Then add the advent of video games such as Grand Theft Auto where the child is interactively responsible for killing innocent people.

When my sons were younger and first became exposed to such things (movies, video games like this were not around then) I always made it a point to explain that was pretend, do you understand the difference.
That's good. And we have a rule - no senselessness in the game. It is your "assignment" to take on the creatures and, technically you could open up on your support team too. But that's not cool. Playing with the kids from time to time allows me to interact - and get beat. There's the one-on-one challenges as well - when the Master Sgt. goes down it isn't gory. It's clearly a game.

[pelathais]

www.pluggedinonline.com (http://www.pluggedinonline.com) is a great place to review games, videos, movies, etc., BEFORE you expose your kids to them.

Plugged In's review on Halo 3 (http://www.pluggedinonline.com/games/games/a0003861.cfm)


I'm not ready to chalk this young man's violent actions up to the influence of a game, BUT we should be careful what we expose our children to. My oldest daughter is 13, but she still isn't allowed to watch PG-13 movies. None of them have been deemed appropriate enough to pass her parent's watchful eyes.

The point is, we are remiss in our parental obligations if we don't carefully filter what goes into the tender eyes and ears of our children, and worse, with interactive video games, they can actually role play and interact with the characters, which further ingrains it into their psyche. Anyone who teaches knows that the more senses you use to teach a lesson, the more likely the child is to retain it. Interactive video games use sound, sight, touch & feel. Can't get much more influential than that!

It would be stupid to assume media doesn't affect them. Scientific studies have proven that children are more susceptible and malleable than adults, which is probably why God saw fit to place them in the care of an ADULT until they can make good decisions on their own.
You're right. My boys know if they want to see violence they just have to take on the old man. Oddly, the youngest seems to do this a lot.

My daughter is weird. When she was about 12 or 13 she read a young teens novel about Jews escaping from the Nazi. She was instantly fascinated with the whole WW2 / Nazi bad guys vs. the good guys thing. She later wrote a story that won an award at school. When I read it I was concerned that the school counselors would call (it was THAT good!). Not graphic - just effectively manipulated your senses well. Her teacher sent me a post card.

Tension can heighten a young person's awareness to the real situations and dangers in life. No need to teach them to be paranoid - but life can be bad. Even though we've got it real good here in the States - life can still be pretty tough.

That's why I walked my oldest son through Columbine High School when they opened it up to the public. I wanted him to see and not be paralyzed with fear. The whole community mobbed the place and it was kind of healing.

[Cindy]

The article to me was not about a violent video game as much as it was parental authority. You take my game, I kill you.