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Well, it has been about a year now! The budding WPF has taken some root. What do you think, is it really a NEW THING, or just the SAME WOMAN IN A DIFFERENT DRESS?
They appear to have the same structure of departments and etc.
One year later, what do you think?
Tim Rutledge
03-18-2009, 12:31 PM
The WPF is ordained and anointed of God.
The WPF is ordained and anointed of God.
Let me get this clear in my mind. Did God, last January, sit down and say "I am going to ordain a New Organization, (I know it looks like the old one) and with this New Thing I am going to annoint it".
Are you talking that the structure, the WPF, is anointed or just the fact that some men are in unity and the unity brings the anointing?
edjen01
03-18-2009, 12:54 PM
The WPF is ordained and anointed of God.
you're saying this tic....right??
i can't really see where God has ordained any religeous organization...also doesn't he anoint people/animals/stuff like that?
Tim Rutledge
03-18-2009, 02:00 PM
The WPF is ordained and anointed of God.
If the words ordained and anointed bother you I'll just use the term... "in the perfect will of God".
Jack Shephard
03-18-2009, 02:35 PM
Tim apparently LOVES the WPF
edjen01
03-18-2009, 02:37 PM
If the words ordained and anointed bother you I'll just use the term... "in the perfect will of God".
ok. the words don't bother me...the notion that something that is the result of mans best/worst efforts being called ordained of God...is alittle confusing to me.
so can two different organizations that believe different things both be in the perfect will of God?
1Corinth2v4
03-18-2009, 02:44 PM
If the words ordained and anointed bother you I'll just use the term... "in the perfect will of God".
I'm sure God wouldn't mind some color in their leadership!
Tim Rutledge
03-18-2009, 02:44 PM
ok. the words don't bother me...the notion that something that is the result of mans best/worst efforts being called ordained of God...is alittle confusing to me.
so can two different organizations that believe different things both be in the perfect will of God?
I can understand your confusion.
IMHO. yes.. to your question.
Tim Rutledge
03-18-2009, 02:46 PM
I'm sure God wouldn't mind some color in their leadership!
I'm not sure the Lord cares about pigmentation.
I understand what your saying though.
ReddMann24
03-18-2009, 03:05 PM
I go to what most would call a liberal UPCI church. I dont dissapprove of the wpf and I believe they are doing GODs will. Unless that thing about 2 or 3 gathered in my name doesnt matter anymore?
Jack Shephard
03-18-2009, 03:23 PM
RedMann, the word of God is of no affect because of the traditions of men........no matter whether it is WPF, UPCI or whomever. We all must be careful of holding to traditions set by men and miss what the traditions of God have been. God's traditions are many different things which none happen to be forming an organization cause you don't agree with TV and sports-what have you. God's will is that we ALL reach the WHOLE world. I think that there is a place for the WPF, UPCI, ALJC, Independant, and others to reach the world. I guess it doesn't matter what one calls themselves so long as they preach the Gospel and what our response to that gospel should be. Salvation is key, but what turns the key, IMO, is that the back door to the church is not as wide as the front. We can't keep losing people 2, 3, and 4 months after an encountre with Christ. It is happening at an alarming pace. Edward Anglican (j/k) started a thread along this topic.
ReddMann24
03-18-2009, 03:49 PM
God's will is that we ALL reach the WHOLE world.
This is the will I was talking about. All the groups you mentioned share that common purpose. We might disagree with thier hardline approach on standards but still hold the same salvational truths. So I dont want to bash 'em . I do understand where you are coming from though. My wife was raised in an Independent UC church. I love the people , but they are truly legalistic. When that is your main purpose youve lost track.
Jack Shephard
03-18-2009, 03:57 PM
Homerun!
One of the reasons I started this thread was to just put out there that maybe it was not about TV after all.
I know, I know, I will probably get lambasted over this but I fail to see where they are any different than the UPC that they came out of. They might be 10 years behind them but they are doing everything the same. When we do what we have always done then we will get what we have always got!
I think that some in the WPF need to come clean that it was probably more about the politics and less about the standards! I mean, they are almost parrellel orgs! I think that we will see in the next few years that they will resemble each other more and more. Oh, one my preach a little stronger standards than the other but overall they will look like sisters!
Sister Alvear
03-18-2009, 06:08 PM
I think they are just another organization...Good people there...and good people other places.
Tim Rutledge
03-18-2009, 06:08 PM
One of the reasons I started this thread was to just put out there that maybe it was not about TV after all.
I know, I know, I will probably get lambasted over this but I fail to see where they are any different than the UPC that they came out of. They might be 10 years behind them but they are doing everything the same. When we do what we have always done then we will get what we have always got!
I think that some in the WPF need to come clean that it was probably more about the politics and less about the standards! I mean, they are almost parrellel orgs! I think that we will see in the next few years that they will resemble each other more and more. Oh, one my preach a little stronger standards than the other but overall they will look like sisters!
We all have our own opinions. I say, lets just be real.. and win a lost world!!
I think they are just another organization...Good people there...and good people other places.
I agree! I look at organizations just like vehicles. Some drive Fords and some drive ..... Toyotas! But if it gets the job done then that is what matters.
What does somewhat frustrate me is when we read that some exalt one more than the other. Some might even claim that God's will is on one more than the other! I personally think that we will see over time that both will have good and both will have bad. It is the nature of the vehicle.
Could it be that this might be a Paul and Barnabas scenario?
If so then we must be careful of the words we speak, they must be sweet. We might have to eat them later!
Just thinkin' out loud.
We all have our own opinions. I say, lets just be real.. and win a lost world!!
Well, just curious Tim. Do you or the WPF church you attend fellowship UPC or independents?
Tim Rutledge
03-18-2009, 07:34 PM
Well, just curious Tim. Do you or the WPF church you attend fellowship UPC or independents?
Mostly independents.. we sometimes have a visiting preacher who may be in the upc.
ReddMann24
03-18-2009, 07:48 PM
Tim where did you get your sig line from? was it a sermon or just something you came up with? It had been stuck in my head for a while and I wrote kinda a poem about the times I was silent. It all started with that line being stuck in my head... I know this is off subject but id like to know?
Tim Rutledge
03-18-2009, 08:13 PM
Tim where did you get your sig line from? was it a sermon or just something you came up with? It had been stuck in my head for a while and I wrote kinda a poem about the times I was silent. It all started with that line being stuck in my head... I know this is off subject but id like to know?
It was a sermon my Pastor preached many yrs. ago.
ReddMann24
03-18-2009, 08:28 PM
Are there any copies available?
Tim Rutledge
03-19-2009, 04:33 AM
Are there any copies available?
I could probably try to find it. Its probably at least 10 yrs. ago.
What I think about the WPF is pretty unimportant.
Who really cares what I think about the WPF or any other organization?
The WPF is just one of many "religious/political organizations" created over the years. It is one of many "preachers' unions." There have always been divisions, schisms, splinter groups, cliques, "exclusive clubs", etc. among people who have organized for any reason.
Organizations can serve a purpose of pooling resources for support of missions, etc. They can also serve a purpose of providing a way to "know them that labor among you." And they can provide legal status as far as civil government is concerned. Probably in most cases these are just side effects of the many organizations/denominations/clubs/unions we have in Oneness Pentecost. I would guess that guess that most of our organizations were started for less nobler causes. And, once an organization is formed, its existence has to be justified and it has to be perpetuated by those who receive support and titles through its continued existence.
WPF, PAW, UPC, ALJC, ETC operate independently of the Body of Christ. God has only one church composed of all those that He has placed in it. I would not say that God is ignorant of our little organizations. He is aware of them. I think He just chooses to ignore them.
What I think about the WPF is pretty unimportant.
Who really cares what I think about the WPF or any other organization?
The WPF is just one of many "religious/political organizations" created over the years. It is one of many "preachers' unions." There have always been divisions, schisms, splinter groups, cliques, "exclusive clubs", etc. among people who have organized for any reason.
Organizations can serve a purpose of pooling resources for support of missions, etc. They can also serve a purpose of providing a way to "know them that labor among you." And they can provide legal status as far as civil government is concerned. Probably in most cases these are just side effects of the many organizations/denominations/clubs/unions we have in Oneness Pentecost. I would guess that guess that most of our organizations were started for less nobler causes. And, once an organization is formed, its existence has to be justified and it has to be perpetuated by those who receive support and titles through its continued existence.
WPF, PAW, UPC, ALJC, ETC operate independently of the Body of Christ. God has only one church composed of all those that He has placed in it. I would not say that God is ignorant of our little organizations. He is aware of them. I think He just chooses to ignore them.
GASP!!!!
Sam, are saying, please say no, that God might not care about any WPF or UPCI! Oh my goodness!! You have really upset the apple cart now!!!
Prepare to be ASSULTED!!!!! :smack
I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Consapostolic1
03-25-2009, 08:31 PM
What do I think about the WPF? From what I've seen of it I like it. I attended last years PEAK conference in Tulsa and totally enjoyed the presence of the Lord I felt. The WPF seems like a org that I'd feel comfortable being around and involved in due to the fact that they don't seem to be too extreme left or right. I just wish they had a WPF church in the city I live in.
Timmy
03-25-2009, 09:35 PM
What do I think about the WPF? From what I've seen of it I like it. I attended last years PEAK conference in Tulsa and totally enjoyed the presence of the Lord I felt. The WPF seems like a org that I'd feel comfortable being around and involved in due to the fact that they don't seem to be too extreme left or right. I just wish they had a WPF church in the city I live in.
Yep. That's WWPF, alright. UMs. Ultra-Moderates.
:heeheehee
... The WPF seems like a org that I'd feel comfortable being around and involved in due to the fact that they don't seem to be too extreme left or right. ...
fair and balanced?
Sister Alvear
03-26-2009, 09:51 AM
good and bad are in all groups...I sure know a lot of good people there and know a lot of good people in other groups...I am thankful for the family of God no matter what color card they carry.
good and bad are in all groups...I sure know a lot of good people there and know a lot of good people in other groups...I am thankful for the family of God no matter what color card they carry.
Com'on, tell us what color you carry! Let me guess......
Violet!!!!!:thumbsup
Sister Alvear
03-26-2009, 10:28 AM
let me see...
The Ass. of God sent me a card as a present! Does that count?
ha...
Tim Rutledge
03-26-2009, 10:58 AM
What do I think about the WPF? From what I've seen of it I like it. I attended last years PEAK conference in Tulsa and totally enjoyed the presence of the Lord I felt. The WPF seems like a org that I'd feel comfortable being around and involved in due to the fact that they don't seem to be too extreme left or right. I just wish they had a WPF church in the city I live in.
Br. Rodney McDonald has an awesome Church in Oklahoma city.
Br. Rodney McDonald has an awesome Church in Oklahoma city.
You and I agree on something here, Bro McD is a very good man and a gentleman. To me that counts a lot!
*AQuietPlace*
03-26-2009, 11:02 AM
Br. Rodney McDonald has an awesome Church in Oklahoma city.
I know several people from his church.
let me see...
The Ass. of God sent me a card as a present! Does that count?
ha...
Sister, sister, watch your language!!!! This is an Apostolic post!
Let's modify your post here! Lets change that from the Ass. of God to the Assemblies or ASMB!
:ursofunny
Sister Alvear
03-26-2009, 11:22 AM
:blush got me on that one...
:blush got me on that one...
Ah, now you have a RED card!
:gotcha
Timmy
03-26-2009, 12:13 PM
Sister, sister, watch your language!!!! This is an Apostolic post!
Let's modify your post here! Lets change that from the Ass. of God to the Assemblies or ASMB!
:ursofunny
Saw someone use that abbreviation on a tithe check, once! :lol
Sister Alvear
03-26-2009, 12:24 PM
Br. Rodney McDonald has an awesome Church in Oklahoma city. Yes, he sure does...haven´t seen them in years but my son preaches for them. wonderful people.
Sister Alvear
03-26-2009, 12:25 PM
Ah, now you have a RED card!
:gotcha
lol...can´t you remember red is the devil´s color...
lol...can´t you remember red is the devil´s color...
Pink, I meant pink!!
:thumbsup
Sister Alvear
03-26-2009, 04:13 PM
Pink, I meant pink!!
:thumbsup
Of course you meant pink...we all slip sometimes...:ursofunny
Of course you meant pink...we all slip sometimes...:ursofunny
Lord Bless you all!
Sister Alvear
03-26-2009, 04:23 PM
and blessings to you all...am fixing to go to church...then early tomorrow we may travel ...
will ck back in tonight after service...
Consapostolic1
03-27-2009, 11:49 PM
I know several people from his church.
Yeah I know many people from there as well some being relatives. They tend to lean more toward the UC side of things.
Sister Alvear
04-04-2009, 05:01 AM
my opinion stays the same...I do wonder how diversisty will get along in the future...maybe form another group...however each group that is formed seems to want to grow and through differences of opinion and perhaps even doctrine the word of God gets preached...
I have noticed over the years in different splits among different ones...they pick a missionary or certain missionaries to represent them on the foreign field... I was in hopes they would support nationals under some guided plan but I haven't heard anymore about that plan. maybe it exists I have little contact with them. I had wanted to go to their conference but do not have the funds...however I am sure it will be good.
The money that is spent on would be missionaies that I have seen over the years is usually a lot of wasted money for big projects that mnayy times never happen...
I have watched people take up thousands of dollars for would be's and watched them move back to the states because they could not take the heat of the mission field...of course other things were blamed but that usually is the reason.
well,,,just my thoughts sitting at this bed and breakfast waiting for my family to get up for us to start another day on the road...
Americans are too easily impressed...and many just see the moment....I know whole works that shut down when the missionary left...why? because the nationals were not taught the biblical principle of missions...they were just paid to do a job...did it and moved on when the boss left...
Missions even though it is slow MUST be taught the biblical method not that the missionary is the big boss that carries the money andwe must please the boss....
Paid preachers are usually just that!
Sister Alvear
04-04-2009, 05:05 AM
While holiness is very important to me TRUTH is just as or more important. I think the missionary and the national must be truthful in all things....yeah..I know I am just an old cranky woman...
I heard a missionary say he was going to raise money under a certain project name...but really he would use it for something else...that sure turned me off...and all the ranting on holiness just seemed like empty wind to me...
It is true that sometimes we have projects and they fall through but to raise money for something because the Americans will help on that and not help as good on something else is wrong...I do not like shady deals.
I cringe when I hear people joking about taking things out of the business account and it is not business...guess I hold myself to too strict standands in my personal life... and this has nothing to do with the new fellowship...lol...
I'm please, proud and happy for the WWPF to have their very own organization. It's a beautiful thing.
While holiness is very important to me TRUTH is just as or more important. I think the missionary and the national must be truthful in all things....yeah..I know I am just an old cranky woman...
I heard a missionary say he was going to raise money under a certain project name...but really he would use it for something else...that sure turned me off...and all the ranting on holiness just seemed like empty wind to me...
It is true that sometimes we have projects and they fall through but to raise money for something because the Americans will help on that and not help as good on something else is wrong...I do not like shady deals.
I cringe when I hear people joking about taking things out of the business account and it is not business...guess I hold myself to too strict standands in my personal life... and this has nothing to do with the new fellowship...lol...
Sister,
Those things are matters of honesty and integrity.
Romans 12:17 says, "...Provide things honest in the sight of all men."
In 2 Corinthians chapter 8 the Apostle Paul is talking about offerings and finances. In verse 21 he speaks about "Providing honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men."
In 1 Peter 2:12, the Apostle speaks about "Having your conversation (manner of living) honest among the Gentiles..."
In Acts chapter 6 when the 7 men were chosen to serve by distributing food, the requirements were "men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom" so they could be placed over this "business."
There is so much skepticism among people in the world toward churches and religion and some of it is justified by the way some have handled finances. We need to be honest and we need to have integrity when it comes to all of our dealings and this would include finances.
Narrow Is The Way
04-24-2009, 11:30 PM
While holiness is very important to me TRUTH is just as or more important. I think the missionary and the national must be truthful in all things....yeah..I know I am just an old cranky woman...
I heard a missionary say he was going to raise money under a certain project name...but really he would use it for something else...that sure turned me off...and all the ranting on holiness just seemed like empty wind to me...
It is true that sometimes we have projects and they fall through but to raise money for something because the Americans will help on that and not help as good on something else is wrong...I do not like shady deals.
I cringe when I hear people joking about taking things out of the business account and it is not business...guess I hold myself to too strict standands in my personal life... and this has nothing to do with the new fellowship...lol... What's the difference???
RandyWayne
04-24-2009, 11:36 PM
One is a standard based on church by-laws and one is the Truth.
Narrow Is The Way
04-24-2009, 11:55 PM
One is a standard based on church by-laws and one is the Truth. This question is addressed to the sister that I was responding to. I hope she answeres.
BTW, Holiness is not a standard based on church by-laws, unless the by-laws demand true Holiness.
*AQuietPlace*
04-25-2009, 12:01 AM
What's the difference???
I think the second paragraph explained what she was saying:
Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
While holiness is very important to me TRUTH is just as or more important. I think the missionary and the national must be truthful in all things....yeah..I know I am just an old cranky woman...
I heard a missionary say he was going to raise money under a certain project name...but really he would use it for something else...that sure turned me off...and all the ranting on holiness just seemed like empty wind to me...
Sister Alvear
04-25-2009, 12:09 AM
I don´t think I understand the question...I am saying HOLINESS is very important to me BUT if a person cannot be truthful all their outward holiness really means NOTHING. I have seen shady things done by so called missionaries...
I am trying to say OUR LIFE much match our preaching...that is all...nothing more and nothing less...
No one on any forum I write on has to guess about me I have hundreds of pictures on the forums...what you see is what you get! However if I cannot be truthful and honest my dress is NOT enough to save me...
Now did I make myself clear??? ha....
Sister Alvear
04-25-2009, 12:11 AM
Nothing I said has to do with the WPF....I am only speaking in general terms.
Sister Alvear
04-25-2009, 12:14 AM
I guess I take things to seriously...however doing right is a passion in my life...not a pastime.
Sister Alvear
04-25-2009, 12:15 AM
by the way I heard the meeting was awesome. I am glad. Other meetings I have heard about lately were awesome...I am glad God is blessing.
Sister Alvear
04-25-2009, 12:29 AM
I reread my post I did not mean to sound harsh...just trying to explain what I was trying to express.
Sister Alvear
04-25-2009, 12:32 AM
Psalms 24:
3Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
4He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
5He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah.
Narrow Is The Way
04-25-2009, 12:34 AM
It was my mistake. I re-read your post and see what you were saying. You were speaking of Truth as -telling the truth (not lying)- I thought you meant Truth as in -what we stand for-
Sister Alvear
04-25-2009, 12:36 PM
We all misread posts sometimes...at least I do!
jaxfam6
04-25-2009, 08:09 PM
I reread my post I did not mean to sound harsh...just trying to explain what I was trying to express.
You know good and well you are the meanest lady in the Apostolic way. Why do you try to pretend you are a sweet, loving, kind, gentle soul?
=)
love you sis
Sister Alvear
04-25-2009, 08:26 PM
love you too, my friend.
MawMaw
04-26-2009, 07:14 AM
I am proud to be a part of the WPF. :) I don't understand when folks make fun of all the vaious apostolic groups when we're all trying to reach out to the lost with the same message of true salvation. What big difference does it make what we call or label ourselves as long as we're preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ?
Well, just curious Tim. Do you or the WPF church you attend fellowship UPC or independents?
I'm not Tim, but our church certainly fellowships with other churches. It's a total shame when, for whatever reason, you feel that you can not.
MawMaw
04-26-2009, 07:19 AM
by the way I heard the meeting was awesome. I am glad. Other meetings I have heard about lately were awesome...I am glad God is blessing.
I got the same report! God is so wonderful! :)
dllong
04-26-2009, 08:48 AM
Okay, I give. What does WTF stand for?
Bro Dave
Sister Alvear
04-26-2009, 10:29 AM
world wide pentecostal fellowship
dllong
04-26-2009, 12:20 PM
world wide pentecostal fellowship
Thanks,
I wonder why the acronym isn't WWPF? I guess it would look like some sort of wrestling organization with the added W ?
:-)
Bro. Dave
Sister Alvear
04-26-2009, 12:38 PM
:ursofunny
Timmy
04-26-2009, 12:42 PM
Well, just curious Tim. Do you or the WPF church you attend fellowship UPC or independents?
No, we can't find any that meet our stringent requi.... oh, that Tim. Never mind! :lol
Sister Alvear
04-26-2009, 01:24 PM
:thumbsup Timmy sometimes fellowships the mafia...
jaxfam6
04-26-2009, 01:44 PM
:thumbsup Timmy sometimes fellowships the mafia...
I thought he looked familiar, I must have seen him at some of my wifes family reunions.
:ursofunny
Sister Alvear
04-26-2009, 01:58 PM
Yeah he sat up front...ha...
Timmy
04-26-2009, 02:53 PM
:winkgrin
jaxfam6
04-27-2009, 08:20 PM
That is NOT a joke about my wifes family though.
Her great grandfather was in and when he tried to leave they hunted him down and killed him.
shawndell
04-28-2009, 08:30 AM
What is WPF?Is it another forum?Ive seen the abreviation on this forum so im just wondering.
*AQuietPlace*
04-28-2009, 08:38 AM
What is WPF?Is it another forum?Ive seen the abreviation on this forum so im just wondering.
Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship.... a new organization that was formed after many left the UPC recently.
RandyWayne
04-28-2009, 10:05 PM
Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship.... a new organization that was formed after many left the UPC recently.
Is this Vince McMahon or Dana Whites's org? I forget.
missourimary
05-07-2009, 04:31 PM
I haven't read through all of the posts, so please excuse me for jumping in. Churches has been pulling out and going independent for several years. There are some states where the number of UPC churches was cut in half by churches going independent almost overnight, it seemed to me, and that was years before the WPF was started. And now some of them are going WPF and some are preaching that the WPF is too liberal... personally I wish that all of us could just get along and accept each other and our convictions. But I understand the WPF and the independents. They pull out of the UPC for various reasons, mainly from what I have heard over differences of standards/holiness/convictions. The stance on TV is just one of the more recent. Most that I know of, whether they changed the name on their sign recently or not, have not fellowshipped certain circles for a very long time. But I don't think it is pride that made them take that stand. Anyway, that's my take.
Sister Alvear
05-09-2009, 08:17 AM
I haven't read through all of the posts, so please excuse me for jumping in. Churches has been pulling out and going independent for several years. There are some states where the number of UPC churches was cut in half by churches going independent almost overnight, it seemed to me, and that was years before the WPF was started. And now some of them are going WPF and some are preaching that the WPF is too liberal... personally I wish that all of us could just get along and accept each other and our convictions. But I understand the WPF and the independents. They pull out of the UPC for various reasons, mainly from what I have heard over differences of standards/holiness/convictions. The stance on TV is just one of the more recent. Most that I know of, whether they changed the name on their sign recently or not, have not fellowshipped certain circles for a very long time. But I don't think it is pride that made them take that stand. Anyway, that's my take.
I agree with you I too wish people could get along! However as long as there is a word called politics...man will be found starting organizations, cliques and whatevers...
I hate it it but it is everywhere...AMC, AMF, UPCI, WPF, ALJC and on and on...
I have noticed more than everybefore the desire to kill stronger than the desire to love...railroading people to get a position is a sad thing...especially when it is done in the name of the Lord...
I hate the works of the devil!
I agree with you I to wish people could get along! However as long as there is a word called politics...man will be found starting organizations, cliques and whatevers...
I hate it it but it is everywhere...AMC, AMF, UPCI, WPF, ALJC and on and on...
I have noticed more than everybefore the desire to kill stronger than the desire to love...railroading people to get a position is a sad thing...especially when it is done in the name of the Lord...
I hate the works of the devil!
Sis A, great, great point!
Lord Bless, hope you are feeling better,
TJJJ
Sister Alvear
05-09-2009, 08:45 AM
That is why I personally want no part of things like that...I just want to be what I am: a missionary...If God cannot keep me then I had just rather get a job than push politics.
I only speak for myself not my family...
Sister Alvear
05-09-2009, 09:00 AM
Please understand I am not against anyone. My son belongs to WPF.
I just have lived so long that I do not like politics...among any people....
Sister Alvear
05-09-2009, 11:34 AM
and I personally like the WPF much more than AMC or AMF...but that is just my opinion. I think the Upc has the best missions plan and if I were young and wanted to be a missionary that would be where I would go first...Of course IF I felt that was where the Lord wanted me.
I know the UPC has had misunderstandings with some missionaries and that is a part of being human however they have done much for world missions and I am in no way associated with them so my opinion has no political leanings...Just observing from a distance and for 40 years.
They (UPC)are able to work with several Americans in any given field and many groups cannot do that for the group has THEIR missionary for that field and no one else is welcome...
Sister Alvear
05-09-2009, 11:39 AM
Please my opinions are off the record for I am nothing in any group...so take what I say just as someone on the sidelines. However I do know the WPF was very kind to my son and I am grateful for those that God has given him for friends.
In the last year my opinion has changed about many things so right now I am in SCHOOL learning who my brother REALLY is...Sometimes God takes us through a learning period and hard knocks help us to realize the LOVE of GOD...
missourimary
05-11-2009, 04:05 PM
I hate to even think of the politics... but the politics were there even in the Bible. Paul's response to politics within the church is still true today.
1 Cor 3
2: I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3: For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4: For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5: Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6: I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7: So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8: Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9: For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
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21: Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
22: Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
23: And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
There sure is a lot of depth in that chapter and the next for today.
Sister Alvear
05-11-2009, 04:26 PM
I hate politics...I see it stamped on the faces of people so vivid...I just wish we could all just be God´s children! Guess that will never be...
Politics ruin men...I have seen many a good man go down...
GrowingPains
07-13-2009, 11:24 AM
Next big WPF event I hear is PEAK in the city where it all began, Tulsa.
I wonder how many sermons will be devoted to analogical metaphors of "compromisers", "liberals" and "sell-outs." Will they be rejuvenated at the thought that the Kingdom of God (in their mind) is a lot smaller, and they have a much more special position now now with the dead weight gone?
I actually hope their meeting goes well. I'm sure there are good kids in these churches.
Curious, has anyone been to a WPF conference? Is that how they tend to be? I would assume they are like most UC meetings. Heavy on beating up other brothers, and light on all the goodliness in the Word and teaching of Grace.
RandyWayne
07-13-2009, 02:41 PM
Ever since Vince McMahon took over the organization it has all gone downhill.
Next big WPF event I hear is PEAK in the city where it all began, Tulsa.
I wonder how many sermons will be devoted to analogical metaphors of "compromisers", "liberals" and "sell-outs." Will they be rejuvenated at the thought that the Kingdom of God (in their mind) is a lot smaller, and they have a much more special position now now with the dead weight gone?
I actually hope their meeting goes well. I'm sure there are good kids in these churches.
Curious, has anyone been to a WPF conference? Is that how they tend to be? I would assume they are like most UC meetings. Heavy on beating up other brothers, and light on all the goodliness in the Word and teaching of Grace.
I would imagine they would be like the AMF, a bunch of angry and bitter old men who don't think they've had church unless they've beat somebody up.
bishoph
07-14-2009, 12:21 AM
Next big WPF event I hear is PEAK in the city where it all began, Tulsa.
I wonder how many sermons will be devoted to analogical metaphors of "compromisers", "liberals" and "sell-outs." Will they be rejuvenated at the thought that the Kingdom of God (in their mind) is a lot smaller, and they have a much more special position now now with the dead weight gone?
I actually hope their meeting goes well. I'm sure there are good kids in these churches.
Curious, has anyone been to a WPF conference? Is that how they tend to be? I would assume they are like most UC meetings. Heavy on beating up other brothers, and light on all the goodliness in the Word and teaching of Grace.
I would imagine they would be like the AMF, a bunch of angry and bitter old men who don't think they've had church unless they've beat somebody up.
Actually I have been to many of their meetings and I can assure you that I have not heard ANY people/organizational bashing whatsoever. There are some preachers who may reinforce holiness and sanctification more than others, but by and large the tone of the meetings have been very uplifting.
For example, about three weeks ago there was a SoCal Youth Connect, Bro. Codie Marks preached this conference. The first night a very powerful message on prayer. Young people and ministry alike were on their face for quite some time in powerful intercession. The second night was a classic message entitled "Don't Bury Me, I'm Not Dead Yet." A very encouraging message of renewal and restoration. Then on that Sunday morning he preached one of the best messages I have heard in years entitled "I've Got to Get My Rather Right."
With respect to PEAK, Jonathan Stringfellow is one of the Night preachers, and I will assure you there will be no bashing from him......he is one outstanding preacher (not WPF BTW) he pastors a great church in Arlington TX.
Many have their opinion of what the WPF is...what it stands for...etc...but just as with any group there are those considered liberal, moderate, and conservative...by someones definition. (It is NOT the AMF) Some hardliners, some not so hard.....while there may be some with rotten attitudes/spirits (there are in every group) for the most part these are men who just want to have a move of God and build the Kingdom till Jesus comes.
Consapostolic1
07-14-2009, 07:44 AM
Next big WPF event I hear is PEAK in the city where it all began, Tulsa.
I wonder how many sermons will be devoted to analogical metaphors of "compromisers", "liberals" and "sell-outs." Will they be rejuvenated at the thought that the Kingdom of God (in their mind) is a lot smaller, and they have a much more special position now now with the dead weight gone?
I actually hope their meeting goes well. I'm sure there are good kids in these churches.
Curious, has anyone been to a WPF conference? Is that how they tend to be? I would assume they are like most UC meetings. Heavy on beating up other brothers, and light on all the goodliness in the Word and teaching of Grace.
I attended the PEAK conference last year and plan on making it there Friday night of this year since it's only a hour drive for me. As a backslider, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Coming from a UC background and having attended many UC youth conferences I have to say this one was unlike the others in a good way. I don't believe the WPF is as conservative as what a lot of people think. I liked the fact that I didn't get the competitive holiness vibe as what I've experienced at other UC conferences.
On The Wheel
07-18-2009, 06:17 PM
I would imagine they would be like the AMF, a bunch of angry and bitter old men who don't think they've had church unless they've beat somebody up.
Not so. I know many of them, and although I don't agree with certain aspects involved in the spit from the UPCI, they are not the AMF.
Having said that, there is a discernable loss of cohesion in at the top lately, and it is unlikely that this group will experience the dynamic growth they envisioned in the beginning.
Individual churches may grow, but the fellowship may not follow suit, as agendas clash at the top.
*AQuietPlace*
07-18-2009, 06:21 PM
Did the AMF ever experience significant growth?
On The Wheel
07-18-2009, 08:25 PM
Did the AMF ever experience significant growth?
How many AMF churches in your area? None, I'll wager.
Same here.
They began to split as soon as they split. There are threads here that chronicle that period of time.
jbigg
07-18-2009, 08:58 PM
Not so. I know many of them, and although I don't agree with certain aspects involved in the spit from the UPCI, they are not the AMF.
Having said that, there is a discernable loss of cohesion in at the top lately, and it is unlikely that this group will experience the dynamic growth they envisioned in the beginning.
Individual churches may grow, but the fellowship may not follow suit, as agendas clash at the top.
Could you please give some examples of these agendas?
THX4GRACE
07-20-2009, 11:02 AM
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
One Accord = Of the same heart and mind; to be in agreement or harmony; mutual agreement; agreeing with no one dissenting; reconciled.
Despite our various organizational affilliations, we all call ourselves Apostolic or Pentecostal...something we're all very proud of..... in a Godly way.....it's such a shame that we have lost sight of the ATMOSPHERE that was prevailent during the birth of the church on the day of pentecost.
A church which was of the same heart and mind, in perfect harmony and agreement, with no dissenting and with complete reconciliation.
Where's the UNITY among us? Where's the single heartedness, and the harmony? Our various organizations should be a united entity with a single purpose, a single mission and a single vision......to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and to bring souls into the kingdom of God.
Why do we even have the various oneness organizations? The very fact that they exist errodes the foundation of our testimony as a religious body. What does the world see when they look at us? They see a confusing mess of dissenting organizations? It makes us look rediculous and petty and immature and obstinent. If we can't even agree among ourselves, how will we ever help the dying world around us?
GrowingPains
07-20-2009, 11:13 AM
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
One Accord = Of the same heart and mind; to be in agreement or harmony; mutual agreement; agreeing with no one dissenting; reconciled.
Despite our various organizational affilliations, we all call ourselves Apostolic or Pentecostal...something we're all very proud of..... in a Godly way.....it's such a shame that we have lost sight of the ATMOSPHERE that was prevailent during the birth of the church on the day of pentecost.
A church which was of the same heart and mind, in perfect harmony and agreement, with no dissenting and with complete reconciliation.
Where's the UNITY among us? Where's the single heartedness, and the harmony? Our various organizations should be a united entity with a single purpose, a single mission and a single vision......to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and to bring souls into the kingdom of God.
Why do we even have the various oneness organizations? The very fact that they exist errodes the foundation of our testimony as a religious body. What does the world see when they look at us? They see a confusing mess of dissenting organizations? It makes us look rediculous and petty and immature and obstinent. If we can't even agree among ourselves, how will we ever help the dying world around us?
AMEN and AMEN! Unity among those things which are essentials. Good policy for Pentecost.
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
One Accord = Of the same heart and mind; to be in agreement or harmony; mutual agreement; agreeing with no one dissenting; reconciled.
Despite our various organizational affilliations, we all call ourselves Apostolic or Pentecostal...something we're all very proud of..... in a Godly way.....it's such a shame that we have lost sight of the ATMOSPHERE that was prevailent during the birth of the church on the day of pentecost.
A church which was of the same heart and mind, in perfect harmony and agreement, with no dissenting and with complete reconciliation.
Where's the UNITY among us? Where's the single heartedness, and the harmony? Our various organizations should be a united entity with a single purpose, a single mission and a single vision......to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and to bring souls into the kingdom of God.
Why do we even have the various oneness organizations? The very fact that they exist errodes the foundation of our testimony as a religious body. What does the world see when they look at us? They see a confusing mess of dissenting organizations? It makes us look rediculous and petty and immature and obstinent. If we can't even agree among ourselves, how will we ever help the dying world around us?
OKAY! Unity! You ask: "Where is the unity?" Don't you realize that it takes BOTH sides to be unified? If there is just a spirit of concession on only one side that is not unity!
The merger happened because both sides were willing to negotiate towards a common goal!
Splits happen because one or both sides are not willing to see a common goal to work towards!
The upci is as guilty as the split off because of their various hardline stances towards those who thing different to them!
Pride, on both sides, is the reason for split offs and strife!
Pro 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
On one side you have the upci saying we want to have it our way or no way! Knowing that the other side thinks different! PRIDE!
Then the various split offs, through their pride, say... well, if thats the way you want to play the game we'll just take our ball and go find somewhere else to play! PRIDE on their side as well!
The only way to have unity is a spirit of humility and love towards a brother to overwhelm the differences!
Sorry, (And this is coming from an ultracon) but advertising on TV is not going to send a person to hell. Yet,... both sides drew their lines and dared the other to cross it, and they both did!
On The Wheel
08-04-2009, 02:28 AM
Could you please give some examples of these agendas?
Not without compromising my anonymity. Sufficeth to say, several of the leaders have a STRONG track record of only playing the game if they can make the rules and be the team captain.
If they are running something then it's the best thing since sliced bread. If not, then there are just more pressing things to be done than commit to something they are not in charge of.
I'm not saying they are not great men, just unable to follow or submit gracefully to another.
Competing agendas. Eventually this will become a problem, if it has not already. You will see.
You can believe what you like.
But I know the truth.:thumbsup
theman238
08-16-2009, 12:32 AM
Not without compromising my anonymity. Sufficeth to say, several of the leaders have a STRONG track record of only playing the game if they can make the rules and be the team captain.
If they are running something then it's the best thing since sliced bread. If not, then there are just more pressing things to be done than commit to something they are not in charge of.
I'm not saying they are not great men, just unable to follow or submit gracefully to another.
Competing agendas. Eventually this will become a problem, if it has not already. You will see.
You can believe what you like.
But I know the truth.:thumbsup
You tell em random person! Their all wrong, you should make your own church and show them all! It could be the WWE.
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